Foreskin contains several dedicated tissues and tens of thousands of nerve endings. Comparing it to a piece of skin on your hand is intellectually dishonest. It is absolutely an amputation of a perfectly healthy and functional structure, and claims otherwise are objectively wrong. The science on this is settled.
Really? Because I run, and suffered genital mutilation at birth. It's incredibly uncomfortable, and always has been, to feel my unprotected penis chafing and scarring against fabric.
Any circumcision is a botched circumcision outside of medical necessity. Of course you've never heard people talk about it, most guys are too embarassed and ashamed to admit their penis is causing them pain or discomfort, especially when the pro-circ crowd is so rabidly idiotic.
I'm glad the procedure went well and you're happy with the effects. You make it sound like the recovery wasn't too bad either? If that's the case, why can't we ban this procedure for children, and let them decide as adults?
"Jen Williams founded Your Whole Baby in December of 2014. Previously, Jen taught middle school and high school English for seven years in Texas public schools. Before teaching, Jen spent several years working for an animal rights organization in their campaigns department."
Lol fucking opportunist with zero real credentials
You've conveniently ignored the downsides, like reduced sensitivity during sex, amongst others.
Claiming it reduces STIs is like saying chopping your hand off reduces the chance of you slamming your finger in a door. It's technically true, but at what cost?
Your example doesn’t make any sense unless the topic was completely chopping your dick off. And ‘at what cost’? Losing a little foreskin is the cost, it’s not the end of the world chill
If the only cost was 'losing a little foreskin', we wouldn't be having this conversation. I listed one clear, major downside in the post you're replying to. Come on, put a little effort in.
The negative side effects is that some procedures go wrong. Small boys lose their penis for ever. Imagine if you lost your penis, or had a big scare that reduced your sensitivity (can lead to impotence).
When you do a "couple" of procedures a year with a very low rate complication rate in a situation like phimosis, you maybe have a complication or two a year. When you mass mutilate the population you get 100-1000 times that.
There's no benefit of circumcision. You still have to clean your penis (if you don't, do it). Is easier to masturbate with a intact penis, etc.
The total harm caused by this issue is very low compared to others
Absolute grade A bullshit. The only reason the harms are not more well known is propaganda, brainwashing, and a profit motive.
a lot of men's issues are issues of life and death. This one isn't.
Tell that to the literally hundreds of boys who die or are disfigured for life every year. Fucking unbelievable how stupid or just ignorant some of you fuckers are about this topic.
EDIT: LOL. Of course, downvote because you have no logical rebuttal. Fucking pathetic.
Notice how all the replies are anecdotal, or they say "it's just wrong", or they say "go read about it, it really opened my eyes." The evidence that's out there is not much better, all of the sites I've read remind me of PETA.
If you want another anecdote, my grandfather told me that in his old age, he was incapable of cleaning his own penis in the shower. He needed assistance. He said be glad you're circumcised, so you don't have to deal with all the gunk that grows underneath and all of the complications from not being able to easily clean.
As an uncircumcised man. I really wish I was cut as a baby. Not only do I find my foreskin very unsightly, it is very uncomfortable pulling it back to wash it, when I first started having sex it was actually quite painful and even tore a few times during sex. If I forget to have a shower one day, it smells quite awful and collects dick cheese. I really hate the sight of my flaccid penis, I consider myself to be average sized but when I’m soft it i do feel embarrassed and self conscious about it. If I ever got pantsed at a party or in public I would literally die. (2” anteater lol). I could never just pull my pants down in front of someone and be ready for sex, I have to be fully showered and have at least a semi before I am willing to expose myself. I truly believe our penises are literally “confidence rods” and the way a man feels about his penis will affect his perspective of life. I also believe that a circumcised man with his penis desensitized lasts longer in bed allowing to keep blood flow for longer periods would also increase its size as well. I mean, I’m not complaining with what I got but to say I’m jealous of other larger cut guys would be an understatement. I’m now married and even though I’m comfortable with my partner, she’s told me she wishes that I was cut, and if we ever have a son she wants to have him circumcised and I 100% agree
The problem is that most of those facts aren't true at all.
STD risk reduction is very very low. So low that isn't acceptable in developed countries as effective way to reduce STD. Is só low that isn't even statistical significative in developed countries!
An uncircumcised penis is very easy to clean, is the same as yours, water and soap.
That is false, the stitches don't rip with an erection. That is as common as losing your penis during a circumcision. Is more painful, because you remember, but that's all. But phymosis isn't that frequent. Most phymosis, 97%, get fixed during earlier years.
Now, sex performance. Uncircumcised take more time to orgasm, but recent studies show that women don't like that. Women aren't porn actresses, they want to orgasm faster possible, and they do faster with uncircumcised penis. In the end there's no statistical difference in women reaching orgasm with uncircumcised or a circumcised, but they have less pain with uncircumcised penis because faster orgasm, more lubrication. This leads to better satisfaction with uncircumcised penis.
And lets not forget masturbation, a very important thing in men life. Masturbation is very important for a penis health, as is a lot better in uncircumcised penis
Ya, women orgasm more easily with an uncircumcised penis. There's no difference (statistically) between women orgasms (orgasm before men) in circumcised VS uncircumcised, but having and orgasm faster leads to better sexual satisfaction to women, because friction, etc. The skin in uncircumcised penis increase friction, but being self lubed and reducing the amount of time to make a women orgasm, reduces the injuries that happen in a sex in their vagina.
If you have herpes is easy to identify it on both situations. There's no difference in that. The difference is that circumcised penis have more lahngerhans cells in the scar (that's the theory) and that reduces infection rate in Africa (not a lot) . They tried to see if the same happens in developed countries, it didn't, because we have better hygiene. Still this argument was used by pro circumcision movement.
NP. The porblem is that many people here are trolls in these situations, and some people get fed up.
Ya, ya. That's why I replied to you. Otherwise I would pass.
If you put and erected penis side by side they would note no difference.
The biggest problem with circumcision isn't when things are fine. Is when surgeries go wrong. Insensitive penis, pain during sex (some doctors cut too much), infection that can lead to penis mutilation.
These are rare, 2% of circumcision can have important functional problems. But when you do a population circumcision you are creating a problem. Is different 2% of 2% than 2% of 55% (actual circumcision rate in USA, dropping every year).
This is why people are against a unnecessary surgery that is a religious act, to avoid masturbation.
There is not enough pros or cons to decide which is the better solution
Objectively wrong. The science is settled on this, not our fault you're too fucking dense to understand the plentiful research out there about the harms of circumcision.
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Foreskin contains several dedicated tissues and tens of thousands of nerve endings. Comparing it to a piece of skin on your hand is intellectually dishonest. It is absolutely an amputation of a perfectly healthy and functional structure, and claims otherwise are objectively wrong. The science on this is settled.
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Yes, it is.
"Amputation is the surgical removal of all or part of a limb or extremity"
It is amputation by definition. Objectively.
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You'll make a great mother
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As a person with phimosis i kinda wish i was circumcised at birth.
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But...you do realise that phimosis is only rarely a case for circumcision, right? Many cases are resolvable w/o surgical intervention.
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Really? Because I run, and suffered genital mutilation at birth. It's incredibly uncomfortable, and always has been, to feel my unprotected penis chafing and scarring against fabric.
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Any circumcision is a botched circumcision outside of medical necessity. Of course you've never heard people talk about it, most guys are too embarassed and ashamed to admit their penis is causing them pain or discomfort, especially when the pro-circ crowd is so rabidly idiotic.
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Cool story bro, I didn't claim anything to the contrary despite what your obvious lack of reading comprehension causes you to believe.
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Have you tried sex before and after?
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Was hygiene in issue for you before? I wash my dick in the shower like the rest of my body, never had any issues.
What made you get it done?
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I'm glad the procedure went well and you're happy with the effects. You make it sound like the recovery wasn't too bad either? If that's the case, why can't we ban this procedure for children, and let them decide as adults?
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"Jen Williams founded Your Whole Baby in December of 2014. Previously, Jen taught middle school and high school English for seven years in Texas public schools. Before teaching, Jen spent several years working for an animal rights organization in their campaigns department."
Lol fucking opportunist with zero real credentials
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You've conveniently ignored the downsides, like reduced sensitivity during sex, amongst others.
Claiming it reduces STIs is like saying chopping your hand off reduces the chance of you slamming your finger in a door. It's technically true, but at what cost?
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"amongst others"
Care to share what those are?
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Your example doesn’t make any sense unless the topic was completely chopping your dick off. And ‘at what cost’? Losing a little foreskin is the cost, it’s not the end of the world chill
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If the only cost was 'losing a little foreskin', we wouldn't be having this conversation. I listed one clear, major downside in the post you're replying to. Come on, put a little effort in.
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Reduced sensitivity isn’t as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be
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but it's to avoid an awkward conversation with my kid. I'm willing to risk his life and limb to avoid saying, "hey wash your dick."
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Can someone explain why circumcision is wrong? I am just uninformed on this issue. I see no problem with it, I am circumcised myself.
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The negative side effects is that some procedures go wrong. Small boys lose their penis for ever. Imagine if you lost your penis, or had a big scare that reduced your sensitivity (can lead to impotence).
When you do a "couple" of procedures a year with a very low rate complication rate in a situation like phimosis, you maybe have a complication or two a year. When you mass mutilate the population you get 100-1000 times that.
There's no benefit of circumcision. You still have to clean your penis (if you don't, do it). Is easier to masturbate with a intact penis, etc.
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Absolute grade A bullshit. The only reason the harms are not more well known is propaganda, brainwashing, and a profit motive.
Tell that to the literally hundreds of boys who die or are disfigured for life every year. Fucking unbelievable how stupid or just ignorant some of you fuckers are about this topic.
EDIT: LOL. Of course, downvote because you have no logical rebuttal. Fucking pathetic.
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Notice how all the replies are anecdotal, or they say "it's just wrong", or they say "go read about it, it really opened my eyes." The evidence that's out there is not much better, all of the sites I've read remind me of PETA.
If you want another anecdote, my grandfather told me that in his old age, he was incapable of cleaning his own penis in the shower. He needed assistance. He said be glad you're circumcised, so you don't have to deal with all the gunk that grows underneath and all of the complications from not being able to easily clean.
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Yeah the “gunk” really isn’t a problem until you’re that age. Cleaning your dick and showering regularly isn’t difficult dude.
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As an uncircumcised man. I really wish I was cut as a baby. Not only do I find my foreskin very unsightly, it is very uncomfortable pulling it back to wash it, when I first started having sex it was actually quite painful and even tore a few times during sex. If I forget to have a shower one day, it smells quite awful and collects dick cheese. I really hate the sight of my flaccid penis, I consider myself to be average sized but when I’m soft it i do feel embarrassed and self conscious about it. If I ever got pantsed at a party or in public I would literally die. (2” anteater lol). I could never just pull my pants down in front of someone and be ready for sex, I have to be fully showered and have at least a semi before I am willing to expose myself. I truly believe our penises are literally “confidence rods” and the way a man feels about his penis will affect his perspective of life. I also believe that a circumcised man with his penis desensitized lasts longer in bed allowing to keep blood flow for longer periods would also increase its size as well. I mean, I’m not complaining with what I got but to say I’m jealous of other larger cut guys would be an understatement. I’m now married and even though I’m comfortable with my partner, she’s told me she wishes that I was cut, and if we ever have a son she wants to have him circumcised and I 100% agree
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why do you think you have a right to decide how another man's penis will look and function for the rest of his life?
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so you weren't suggesting that a man's father should be the one to choose if that man gets his whole penis or only part of it?
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my father doesn't deserve any more say than my mother deserves. they both belong in prison for what they did to me.
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how much of your penis would you let them cut off before you stand up for yourself and your rights?
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do you think parents should be able to amputate any of their daughter's clitoris without being charged with child abuse?
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maybe we should do surgery on all kids to remove extra skin and pleasure nerves. if sex doesn't feel as good we will have less STDs
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The problem is that most of those facts aren't true at all.
STD risk reduction is very very low. So low that isn't acceptable in developed countries as effective way to reduce STD. Is só low that isn't even statistical significative in developed countries!
An uncircumcised penis is very easy to clean, is the same as yours, water and soap.
That is false, the stitches don't rip with an erection. That is as common as losing your penis during a circumcision. Is more painful, because you remember, but that's all. But phymosis isn't that frequent. Most phymosis, 97%, get fixed during earlier years.
Now, sex performance. Uncircumcised take more time to orgasm, but recent studies show that women don't like that. Women aren't porn actresses, they want to orgasm faster possible, and they do faster with uncircumcised penis. In the end there's no statistical difference in women reaching orgasm with uncircumcised or a circumcised, but they have less pain with uncircumcised penis because faster orgasm, more lubrication. This leads to better satisfaction with uncircumcised penis.
And lets not forget masturbation, a very important thing in men life. Masturbation is very important for a penis health, as is a lot better in uncircumcised penis
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Ya, women orgasm more easily with an uncircumcised penis. There's no difference (statistically) between women orgasms (orgasm before men) in circumcised VS uncircumcised, but having and orgasm faster leads to better sexual satisfaction to women, because friction, etc. The skin in uncircumcised penis increase friction, but being self lubed and reducing the amount of time to make a women orgasm, reduces the injuries that happen in a sex in their vagina.
If you have herpes is easy to identify it on both situations. There's no difference in that. The difference is that circumcised penis have more lahngerhans cells in the scar (that's the theory) and that reduces infection rate in Africa (not a lot) . They tried to see if the same happens in developed countries, it didn't, because we have better hygiene. Still this argument was used by pro circumcision movement.
NP. The porblem is that many people here are trolls in these situations, and some people get fed up.
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Ya, ya. That's why I replied to you. Otherwise I would pass.
If you put and erected penis side by side they would note no difference.
The biggest problem with circumcision isn't when things are fine. Is when surgeries go wrong. Insensitive penis, pain during sex (some doctors cut too much), infection that can lead to penis mutilation.
These are rare, 2% of circumcision can have important functional problems. But when you do a population circumcision you are creating a problem. Is different 2% of 2% than 2% of 55% (actual circumcision rate in USA, dropping every year).
This is why people are against a unnecessary surgery that is a religious act, to avoid masturbation.
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Objectively wrong. The science is settled on this, not our fault you're too fucking dense to understand the plentiful research out there about the harms of circumcision.
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