Universities need to stop suspending students who are being accused of sexual misconduct until they are proven guilty. They also should have the right to stay anonymous until their convictions. At least this student won the first battle and he is now planning to seek damage over false allegations.

ExclusiveTrademark · 2018-02-21T20:41:01+00:00

Well, since he is now suing for damages, he won his case. Why not say who the accuser is so no more guys hook up with her and get falsely accused?

BanSpeech · 2018-02-21T19:58:04+00:00

It's pretty bullshit that they can't find a happy-medium, like home schooling/take home work/online lecture recordings/etc... while waiting for the disciplinary process to end. Something similar to how cops get put on desk duty during an IA.

You don't want to falsely punish someone, but you don't want to allow guilty people free reign while they are being investigated. And there would need to be a maximum legal complaince time so they can't keep a student in limbo for six months...

tearsofsadness · 2018-02-21T20:26:31+00:00

I love how the female's name always stays anon though. #equality

seank3 · 2018-02-22T03:17:23+00:00

a friend of mine was accused orlf rape so far that it went to court once cross examined, she confessed she made it up, however, any time I told someone what school I had gone to or what part of the city I was from, they would always ask if I knew that rapist "____"...he couldn't shake that moniker. ..kinda ruined him...and what did she get...nothing!

TheMasterChiefs · 2018-02-21T21:47:30+00:00

This is one disturbing theme that's going on right now, which is this idea of guilty until proven innocent instead of visa versa. Especially when a female comes forth to accuse a male, we somehow have a bias against the male. A false impression that if a female complains about sexual assault, it must be true. It's such a fucked up notion.

I_might_be_weasel · 2018-02-22T02:08:04+00:00

What is the basis for this not to go to the actual police in the town? Why does a University have any judicial or law enforcement authority over anything?

dukunt · 2018-02-21T20:24:38+00:00

The entire university system is a mess right now. You're guilty until proven innocent but the catch is that your not allowed to defend youself either. So you're fucked any way you slice. But you're innocent you say? You obviously didnt read your university statutes. I'll paraphrase, the first statute says men are guilty of all accusations of sexual misconduct. But you didnt do it? Please refer to the second statute, accused men are not allowed to defend themselves against a sexual alligation. Too traumatizing to the women-folk. What's that? Being labelled a rapist is also traumatizing you say? You should have thought of that when you decided to be born male.

soEezee · 2018-02-22T05:12:17+00:00

I was listening to jjj hack yesterday and they were talking about rape culture in uni.

The main story was “I went out and got so blind they wouldn’t let me in the club so I got a lift home. I don’t remember it, I don’t have proof but I’m sure I was sexually assaulted now I’m mad because the University only sent that person to live off dorm.”
They preceeded to spend the next 15 mins talking about why every woman ever is sexually assaulted and the whole thing is corrupt and not a single mention of men getting sexually assaulted.

Then they went on to talk about banning filming live gigs with your phone.

Man I’m getting sick of their sjw anti men agenda.

sonofsuperman1983 · 2018-02-21T21:57:48+00:00

If feminism was truly about equality this would be on a fem page.

Matt22blaster · 2018-02-22T00:18:45+00:00

The punishment for false accusations should be equal to the punishment the accused would have received if convicted. This has to be stopped.

Bread_Is_Adequate · 2018-02-22T03:47:28+00:00

I honestly believe jail time should be the punishment of a false rape accusation

nateklly · 2018-02-22T07:04:41+00:00

People need to start recognizing that accusing someone of rape can RUIN their life's. It can prohibit them being able to get a job and if they have a public reputation, it can complete decimate it until it's essentially nothing

IronJohnMRA · 2018-02-21T23:31:18+00:00

In July 2016, an OSC panel found Ciaran unanimously responsible for violating sexual misconduct policy because the alleged victim had not verbally consented.

I hope he ruins Duke over this bullshit. They most certainly have ruined him.

JoseJimeniz · 2018-02-22T00:32:08+00:00

But now a judge has ruled that the university in Durham, North Carolina, had not acted properly in the case.

...what is a university doing acting at all?

Their job is to arrange a professor and a classroom.

After that: i'm an adult. If i was assaulted i go to the police.

theothermod · 2018-02-21T23:38:53+00:00

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Obwalden · 2018-02-22T04:21:24+00:00

Either both the person who is being accused and the one who is pointing their finger should be named or neither.

Phiau · 2018-02-21T23:22:05+00:00

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loveisdead9582 · 2018-02-22T05:43:24+00:00

Agreed. Not to discount the actual guilty parties, but there have been multiple lives ruined by false accusations of rape - enough to warrant some sort of protection until proven guilty.

I feel like there should be some sort of protocol where if both parties share classes or dorms, they are moved to a new schedule where they don’t interact. They should be instructed to avoid one another - ala restraining order - until the court case goes through. The knowledge that until it goes through in court, the accused party would still be allowed to maintain a position in the school may deter some false accusations.

I’ve seen one too many stories about college athletes losing their scholarships and educations because of false accusations. If the claims are valid, absolutely prosecute the asshole to the fullest extent of the law. But the view that any girl can claim rape and the accused is instantly vilified needs to be stopped. Unless there is video evidence, no one should lose out on their future.

2018-02-22T03:29:52+00:00

throw the ho in jail.

Teal_Kitten · 2018-02-22T04:59:25+00:00

Its never sat well with me how so many other women are so blazè about accusing someone of something so serious. But considering how the justice system works around cases like these im almost not surprised women use this loophole as a tool to get their way

game_r · 2018-02-21T21:26:35+00:00

Universities should stop suspending students even if they are guilty. After someone's prison sentence ends I don't see why they should be banned from access to education. What's the point of ever getting out of prison if you become a social outcast forever?

2018-02-21T23:07:18+00:00

When you try to write a title, but you hate education...

2018-02-22T05:06:19+00:00

As I was scrolling down All, I saw this headline and had a thought.

Should a workplace be able to fire/suspend a person who is accused of sexual misconduct before being convicted in a court?

That is, suppose your co-worker says: jack grabbed my pussy. Should the company not do anything until the police come and arrest him? If jack is ultimately not convicted, should jack keep his job?

Suppose your co-worker threatens to quit unless the alleged pussy grabber is fired.. and the PG is a mail room employee and the co-worker is the financial controller... should the company lose their controller because the courts didn’t do anything?

Is the differences because a university is a public institution? Would USC (a private college) get a pass on this?

tonyh322 · 2018-02-22T11:49:06+00:00

And they should be able to face their accuser. Basically they should get the same due process we all do. No matter what you think of Betsy DeVos, if she successfully gets rid of kangaroo courts then in my eyes she will be the best Secretary of Education in this country's history.

exhustedmommy · 2018-02-22T00:39:49+00:00

I absolutely agree. Sadly there are many girls who cry rape when a guy dumps them, won't sleep with them, or won't date them, and in the case of my husband (this happened in highschool) when they don't want to get caught cheating so they tell their SO they were raped. It is despicable. I also believe that woman who falsely accuse men of this should be punished severely as these types of allegations can 100% ruin someone's life. I have 3 children, a girl and 2 boys. I am not in any way worried about my daughter when she gets older as she will be taught to defend herself, but I am scared to death for my sons. I am scared they will meet some crazy bitch and she will cry rape just to get them in trouble. No one should lose a job, or a place in school due to an allegation, it is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty right?

--Edog-- · 2018-02-21T22:17:39+00:00

I thought Betsy Devos was overturning all this? Also - if a guy is a rapist he should be going to jail, not just getting kicked out of a school.

Housethrowaway123xyz · 2018-02-22T01:50:13+00:00

Why don't colleges pass the allegations off to the police? In this case, the police wouldn't have prosecuted due to lack of evidence

Uneeda_Biscuit · 2018-02-21T22:53:13+00:00

Sounds like BYU

50PercentLies · 2018-02-22T02:52:52+00:00

I'm always torn on this. I want to bring publicity to the cases so that Universities get the fucking message, but also don't want to bring any unnecessary heat down on these guys.

colenotphil · 2018-02-21T19:25:08+00:00

While I 100% agree that everyone should be innocent until proven guilty, and there is some merit to the argument being made here, the source (Daily Record) is a Scottish tabloid. Not exactly hard-hitting unbiased news. I feel that detracts vastly from the point here.

2018-02-22T12:56:40+00:00

Or - just keep universities out of the criminal investigation business. Most universities have police departments. Let the trained professionals handle criminal investigations. Not some title IX rep who wouldn’t know impartiality if it bit them in the ass.

McFeely_Smackup · 2018-02-22T17:43:16+00:00

While I hate to be in the position of defending these Title IX Star Chamber Tribunals, the schools were placed in a VERY shitty situation by the Obama era "Dear Colleague" policy letter.

The Schools are legally required to provide a harassment free environment for students...well, to be honest, it only seems to care about female students. Male students are as free as ever to be harassed.

So what is the school supposed to do when a student accuses another of rape? a criminal investigation and trial could take literally years, during which time presumably the accused and accuser will still be in the same education and social circles...creating a hostile enviroment for at least one of them.

If they do nothing but say " let the police handle it" then they have failed the "Dear Colleague" mandate. If they take action, they violate legal due process (in practice, if not in theory).

So there seems to be two options. Trump needs to rescind the Dear Colleague instructions and issue new, fair guidelines for recognizing the rights of accused persons, OR take a hard line and say schools will not be involved in disciplining students for criminal actions until the legal process is complete...which means accusers are going to have to be told to suck it up and sit in class next to the person they've accused.

There's no easy answer here, the problem is what they're doing right now is literally worse than doing nothing at all.

ExclusiveTrademark · 2018-02-21T22:57:43+00:00

How do you even prove it “several months later”? It becomes a ‘he said, she said’ situation.

2018-02-22T01:17:54+00:00

They never release their names, that's illegal. Only if a legal conviction occurs do they have their name as public record. I work in this field, I would know. Also they are not suspended. They actually just can't attend class to prevent retaliation on either side but have their classes online, meal plan still active and have a place to live.

mrducci · 2018-02-22T03:31:06+00:00

I don't agree with the post statement entirely. I think these situations need to be mediated like a workplace dispute. If there is an accusation, nothing goes public, there is no press, you are instructed to not speak to anyone about it. However, both parties are removed from their position until after the investigation. The removal is important, because in the event that there is an assault; man on woman, woman on man, man on man or woman in woman (omitting trans tags for efficiency, not spite) they victim could be continually victimized by the presence of their attacker. Another thing that I would like to see from this sub is absolute outrage and denouncement when an attack or assault does occur. The protection of good men only means something when bad actor are cut from the ranks.

SSFW3925 · 2018-02-22T16:02:43+00:00

We all know men will do almost anything to get sex but women will do almost anything to get attention because attention makes them feel safe. This explains almost everything women do, hair, clothes, makeup and walking around half naked most of the time. So just like there are sick men that will rape to get sex there are sick women that will make false accusations to get attention. And it must be fair to believe that there are just as many sick women as there are sick men. Sick men rape and their sick female counterparts make false accusations.

Universities need to stop suspending students who are being accused of sexual misconduct until they are proven guilty. They also should have the right to stay anonymous until their convictions. At least this student won the first battle and he is now planning to seek damage over false allegations.

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Humanitarianism has absolutely nothing to do with equality, it says so in your definition lol.

nice try lol