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Hit Right in the truth.

FFXIV_Machinist

April 21, 2016
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Title Hit Right in the truth.
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FFXIV_Machinist

Upvotes 2617
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Date April 21, 2016 3:34 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–][deleted] 428 points429 points430 points 10 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

The video is so much more in every way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko

[–]fuziel 107 points108 points109 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit that video kicked me I'm the face.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]throwthetrash15 43 points44 points45 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what happened to you in the last part of your sentence, but allowing men to be raped in film is a good thing. Censorship of art like that is the same as not wanting complex female characters as a feminist because the women are depicted as not being perfect.

[–]NegativeGPA 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think the point that it being shown in a comedic light is the insensitivity as opposed to it being shown at all

[–]AustNerevar 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It should still be allowed though. Sure we can shit on it, but not pressure artists to censor their creations, even if we disagree with it.

People are allowed to be bigoted assholes.

[–]NegativeGPA 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, good catch! I didn't see that he was calling for them to not be allowed. I thought he was just expressing dismay that they are well received. But yeah, I agree with you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Me? The face? You kick me?!"

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[–]modern_rabbit 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The way it suddenly just dawns on you how much pain is in the guys eyes, gotta have the video for that, it's force-fed through the images...

[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It got me to watch it

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right.

The image made me very confused but the video made me sad.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I knew it was going to be bad, ... it was so much worse.

[–]whitemanrunning 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]Shanguerrilla 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow! That is incredibly moving. Such a mix of emotions and goosebumps seeing his genuinity in what he wrote. Seriously moving. Thank you for sharing it! He apparently did it in 2012 but this is the first I've heard of it.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist[S] 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there are no words for this video.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love this video, I watch it often just because this guy hits everyone right in the truth!

[–]bcyost 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit...

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[–]dontpet 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Had to share this video from flight of the conchords. https://youtu.be/-pVT_mvvZLo

[–]Alkomb 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang.

[–]NAFI_S 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The part where he is meant to talk about the case worker is not there, was it a misquote?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

trigger warning in the description triggered me :/

[–]Ocedei 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus that video was savage as hell.

[–]Freiling 136 points137 points138 points 10 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link

I've been raped by a woman. This pretty much captures it.

[–]dontpet 55 points56 points57 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I think quite a few more people need to watch the video. Male survivors of rape by women should be able to live with the expectation that people understand their experience.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If my roommate is any indication, its usually written off as "lol I was blacked out and someone came into the room and did shit. I think it was pretty much rape. awesome right?"

[–]dontpet 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Sure. I don't know if his saying awesome means it was really awesome for him. But let's say it was.

Not every 13 year old boy would have that experience from it and many are harmed so let's not have adults fuck 13 year old boys for now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

well, he wasn't a child, he was just someone passed out black out drunk at a party. And yes he meant it, not that he remembers much of any of it, just pointing out that the mindset of "lol i got laid by some random person" is ever previlent.

[–]dontpet 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm old so I'll say that he might not feel the same later in life. And he may not have been harmed by it and may always laugh it off or think it's awesome.

Still, I think it's wise to say let's not rape sleeping people just in case.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If he got an STD that might change his demeanor.

[–]p_whimsy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More importantly, what kind of a freak gets off fucking someone who is unconscious? or to stay on topic even just a teenager who has yet to develop an adult personality.

[–]Freiling 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

IME, people do want it to fit a certain frame. No one wants to hear that your rape was traumatic, male or female. I personally believe that men are raised to be more emotionally self-sufficient and stoic, so that rape probably is a bit less traumatic for them. I.e., I'm not walking down the street worrying about how half the people I run into could physically overpower me, as is a common experience for female victims.

But yeah, it is pretty tiring to open up that information and see that people aren't willing to invest the emotional support in me that they might in a woman. Showing vulnerability isn't okay, as usual.

[–]dontpet 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I interview a lot of men that are at a low point in their life and help them make sense of the world. One of the burdens for someone that they had traumatic event happen if they are burdens by not knowing whether their existing circumstance is caused by the trauma.

Imho having a depression and having nothing obvious to possibly blame it on beyond just the human situation is way better than wondering if you are depressed due to the trauma.

[–]SilencingNarrative 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

so that rape probably is a bit less traumatic for them.

Men being raised to be stoic doesn't mean that trauma has any less effect on them, it means it has less obvious effect. Men dont wear their emotions on their sleeves, but then kill themselves at 4 times the rate women do.

edit: to whomever gilded my comment. thanks!

[–]Freiling -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would disagree. Being forced to be independent can be a pretty powerful pressure to develop your own coping skills. I say this as a man and as sort of a loner.

And while you have a point, I think the overall suicide rate is less useful in this discussion than suicides that are predominantly caused by trauma.

[–]SilencingNarrative 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Being forced to be independent can be a pretty powerful pressure to develop your own coping skills.

Its a double edged sword. Yes, being forced to be independent can lead to you developing effective coping skills for men who succeed in life. But it can also lead to you not seeking help when you need it most, and a factor of four in the suicide rate is an enormous difference between the sexes. Its not merely "a point".

[–]Freiling -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I'm the same dude as above, and that's just my firsthand experience, and that of others in the same boat. Don't mind me.

[–]SilencingNarrative -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think firsthand experience is very useful, but its no substitute for an argument that proceeds from general, or independently verifiable, information. Firsthand experience can lead you to look for clues that others would miss.

But unless that then leads you to arguments that stand on their own, then it can easily feed into self-limiting wishful thinking.

Towards believing things because "you have to".

[–]trilobot 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

One of my guilty pleasures in life is this silly family channel show called "Switched at Birth". There is a storyline in it where one of the girls (Bay) gets too drunk and wakes up, naked, next to her ex boyfriend (Tank).

For several episodes she worries about whether she cheated on her current boyfriend, or whether she was too drunk to be at fault, but she doesn't really remember it.

It gets really complex when she approaches family with her concerns and they all cry "rape" (for an understandable reason). She balks at the use of that word because she doesn't feel terribly violated, just confused about what happened. Her ex, whom she goes to talk to, claims he was also pretty drunk, but remembers her coming on to him.

She thinks she wouldn't have done that, but can't remember to be sure. Eventually word gets out and peers and the university pressure her into talking with a counselor culminating in a scene where she confesses she believes she wouldn't have consented, but can't remember because she was too drunk. The counselor uses this information to take legal action against Tank. Bay feels tricked by this because she said, "she didn't want anyone to get in trouble, just to figure out the truth". As the actor explains in an interview, "She doesn't know what to feel, basically because in a way she doesn't feel like a victim, but the people around her keep trying to make her feel more and more like a victim."

I'm simplifying it a lot, it goes on for a couple episodes, but as you watch it you see how the reactions of everyone around her railroad her emotions and try to convince her to feel worse about it.

My ex was more unambiguously raped (a man getting visibly angry with her saying "no", she was kinda stuck where she was for the night so fearing an altercation, she put out for them unwillingly) but, for whatever reason "got over it" pretty quickly (was romantically involved with her for 8 years, this happened 4 months before we started dating, so I feel I can claim to know how she truly felt about it). However, the moment she used the word "rape" to describe it, people kept trying to convince her she was broken by it, when she claimed she wasn't. Sure, it was an awful experience and she never wants to be in that situation again, but it never ruined her trust of people, and, as far as I can tell never ruined her sex life.

I'm not trying to diminish the affects of rape, but the emotions involved are as varied and complex as the situations that rape happens in. On one side of the spectrum, society expects men to be too strong to be affected by rape, and on the other, society expects women to be so weak that rape destroys them to the point where we can do actual, emotional damage beyond that of the rape by trying to tell people how they should feel.

[–]Freiling 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the people around her keep trying to make her feel more and more like a victim

Right, it's not so much that I feel violated or endangered, but I very well might be. It'd be nice to be taken seriously just in case my situation were more dire.

railroad her emotions

That's a good way to put it. We have a schema of rape that we trie to shoehorn everything into: you must feel x and y, and if you don't it's because you're in shock or denial, etc.

I have a friend from Nepal who was raped by his 2nd grade teacher. "It sucked, yeah, but a lot of things suck, and I got over it. That's it." That was his response, more or less, and I can relate to that. He noted that the idea of rape in American culture has a lot more baggage, like what you're describing above.

Getting the shit beat out of me would be far more likely to make me feel physically violated and unsafe in society, but we're far less likely to insist that I go for counseling for that. I've had a lot of sympathy PMs here when I mention being raped, but somehow I feel like if I posted a story of being jumped and beaten within an inch of my life, people would treat it pretty casually.

[–]thecrell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe that young men (13 onwards) should see this as this is the point we get our attitudes towards sex. I remember having a similar though process as what's described in the video when I was young (not that me or any of my friends were raped though). So teaching young men that this way of thinking is wrong is where it's best used, in my opinion.

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think It's important to talk to 13 year olds about the issue. At the same time the point is that they are still nearly kids. Let's not fuck then. M'okay? PS. I know you don't think this is OK.

[+]Ocedei -35 points-34 points-33 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

According to the legal definition it is impossible to be raped by women because forced penetration (aka you were forced to penetrate them) is not covered.

[–]hiesatai 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the jurisdiction. In England, you're absolutely correct, but in some U.S. jurisdictions, made to penetrate is included in the definition of rape.

[–]Ocedei -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Now I'm no lawyer and it may have changed since the last time I checked, but what I was referring to was the fbi definition of rape. Also why the down votes?

[–]Satans_Master 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because the genders don't matter. If someone is forced to have any kind of sexual intercourse with anther person it's rape. Fuck the legal bullshit. Rape damages people, male and female.

[–]Ocedei 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Seriously? Maybe I was not clear in my meaning. I was not defending rape against males. I was not saying that I agreed with the law. I was pointing out the rage-inducing double standard that has invaded our governments. Please do not mistake me for trying to say that I think personally that rape is entirely based on gender. I was pointing out the law side of things (which I personally am appalled by and think needs to change). I apologize if I was unclear.

[–]Satans_Master 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well I must apologize as well.

[–]Ocedei 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No worries sometimes I make the assumption that people can read my meaning, which I really should do.

[–]trenderman3000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah dude that makes a lot more sense after tou cleared that up.

[–]riker89 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape in the US is almost always prosecuted at the state level (unless there is some extenuating circumstance), and states have different laws. Just how different states define the varying degrees of murder and manslaughter differently, they also are separate on the types of sexual assault/rape.

[–]Ocedei 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you learn something new everyday. Most of the cases that I have seen from people that I work with would not be covered under the state level, so I guess I have a bad point of view on it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What about my case where the penetration was amicable to begin, but she didn't get off and kept going when I told her to stop?

At that moment, there was an absence of consent.

[–]Ocedei 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you. I am saddened that my post was misinterpreted by so many people. I wasn't trying to say that I agree with the definition. I find it to be a despicable definition honestly. I was trying to point out a double standard that has snuck its way into the legal system. Again I apologize for my lack of clarity.

EDIT: Also I am very sorry for what happened to you that is a horrible experience.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

daaaaamn did not realize you got buried so hard. which is a shame, because you're not wrong. i think we're all just so sick of having to face that fact that all we can do is kill the messenger each time it's delivered.

my response was more to continue the dialogue, and hopefully provide perspective for another who needs to counter someone else using your statement.

and to be honest, it wasn't really a horrible experience. i mean, it was. that girl was a nightmare. but it's not like there was malice in her actions. she was just dumb and drunk.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This woman is a lot stronger than this man
Also if a man attacks a woman, leaves a bruise, and she goes to the police, they're fucked.

[–]Gravaton123 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

As much as you are coming off the complete wrong way about this. Yes physically it may be difficult for a woman to hold down a man and rape him. But the thing is people like that don't go for those who are strong. Its to my knowledge that most men are emotionally manipulted or even black mailed into doing it. I had a friend who said his ex forced him, not by holding him down and forcing him; rather she said if he didn't he would never see his child again. People are crazy, you can't think every case is so simple as pushing them off.

[+]checkm8- -13 points-12 points-11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well then theyre not men. Go to the gym and stop being a whiny loser

[–]Gravaton123 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its not about the physical strength. Its about them holding something you love away from you.

[+]checkm8- -8 points-7 points-6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So just fuck em? whats the big deal

[–]Gravaton123 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They could turn out to be std positive. They could be doing it a lot or potentially putting themselves between someone you are actually trying to be with. There are a lot of circumstances where you might not want to be with them, but like you said technically most men could just say fuck no, and leave but sometimes they are leaving behind something they do want, or maybe by saying that the girl would expose they're illegal actions to the police, say if he uses drugs casually. I've seen a girl give herself a black eye to get a dude arrested. People are crazy. Sometimes its crazy.

[–]Zenjan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have no idea of the circumstances. OP could have been just a kid at the time, he could have been intoxicated or drugged. Not to mention possibly blackmailed or manipulated.

You have no idea of the full picture so please be. More considerate before commenting in the future.

[–]Freiling 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was passed out drunk and woke up to her riding me unprotected. This girl was a candidate for true nymphomania, and was reckless as hell about it. HIV was a very real possibility with her.

[–]Yoko9021Ono 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. You're just the worst.

This must be a troll post. And if so, you're still the worst.

[–]Sabbatai 53 points54 points55 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I want some opinions... be brutally honest please.

I had just turned 17 when I started dating a girl who was well into 18.

We had lots of sex. She got pregnant. I've paid my child support faithfully for years. That absolutely ruined me financially. I was ordered to pay almost 60% of my income for 20 years (and counting). There are reasons I am paying beyond 18 but I'm not complaining about that. Hell, I'm not really complaining at all. I am happy to support my child.

I attempted to get a modification based on the years of barely being able to pay my rent, having to borrow money just to survive and so forth and I even specifically said I had no interest in paying anything less than what I was ordered. I just wanted to know if there was a way I could pay less per month... for more months.

That request was denied.

So I spoke to a lawyer (friend, unofficially, not representing me) who asked me how old I was when she got pregnant. I was still 17. I turned 18 before my son was born, but 17 when she got pregnant. He asked how old she was. 18, nearly 19.

He said law varies from state to state and there are statutes of limitation in some but that she would be guilty of "statutory rape" in many states.

Turns out I could still file in the state where we both lived, where the "crime" happened.

Now here's the thing. I knew what I was doing. I wanted to have sex. She didn't have to coerce me. The few people I've spoken to say that doesn't matter. That I wasn't legally old enough to make that decision.

Now, I don't want to do this out of vengeance. I don't hate her for "making me" pay child support.

But everyone I've talked to says something along the lines of "She ruined your life dude. You WERE too young to make that decision even if you feel like you were not and you alone shouldered the financial burden of that choice you weren't allowed to make. Take it to court."

Now they all also say I'd have virtually zero chance of winning despite what the law says. Further, while she may end up in jail or paying a fine it wouldn't do anything to alleviate what I went through.

Part of me feels like I should do it because it is true that I was not legally able to make the decision. Also because she purposely got pregnant to stop me from breaking up with her. She's admitted as much.

The other part of me feels like... as I said, I knew what I was doing. She wasn't the first girl I had sex with. Just the first "adult." And she just happened to be crazy enough to stop taking the pill on purpose.

But then I think about the fact that if she is guilty of a crime and I let her slide... how can I ever say that a video like this "hits me in the feels" or that I "wish there was something I could do" to help people like the man in the video?

I understand it is a pretty big difference between being in second grade and being molested by your teacher and a 17 year old willfully having sex with his 18 year old girlfriend....

But that is why I am asking for opinions.

[–]Odonata_Anisoptera 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wish I had answers for you. Upvoted for visibility.

[–]Sabbatai 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]Tmomp 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My first main opinion was that there are no right answers and that I feel people should support you in doing what you think is right.

Reading this part:

she just happened to be crazy enough to stop taking the pill on purpose.

Changed my thought to seeing her as a criminal taking advantage of someone, if true. Again, in my opinion, your story suggests you deserve support whatever your decision, but I would lean toward pursuing justice.

If you were female, I think most people would support your pursuing justice.

[–]Troy_And_Abed_In_The 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a man were to poke holes in a condom, can he be forced to pay for the abortion? That's essentially the converse of what happened to the above OP, only he was forced to pay for life. There is no way to opt out as a man, which I know is the nature of our biology, but our legal system shouldn't exacerbate it.

It's especially fucked up that you can lose custody and STILL owe child support. That's like paying for the lease on a car someone else drives.

[–]Odz2427 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I commend you for not wanting to act out of vengeance here. I can certainly see both sides. I'm not in a position to say what I think you should do but I will offer what I think I WOULD do if I was in your position. Based on all the details you offered I would not feel particularly compelled to pursue criminal charges since A) You don't seem to feel that the experience of being raped had a particularly traumatic effect on you and B) She will always be the mother of your child and putting her behind bars could have a detrimental effect on the child and your relationship to the child. However, the crippling financial impact seems to have had a harmful effect on you for a long time. I would look into the option of a reasonable civil suit that could help compensate you for the financial hardship that resulted from her deception. This is based on my assessment(right or wrong) that based on what you've said, the financial aspect has been the most harmful to you. I think this would help you gain back some of what you lost that was in large part beyond your control without hurting your family. Just my two cents.

[–]Pastasky 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also because she purposely got pregnant to stop me from breaking up with her. And she just happened to be crazy enough to stop taking the pill on purpose.

If it helps, a large contingent of feminists would agree that if she lied about being on birth control, and you consented to sex under the apprehension she was on birth control, that it was rape because your consent wasn't valid.

[–]Sabbatai 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the input.

[–]DawickDo 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with Heykidsfreekandy ask r/legaladvice for advice.

[–]closetedapostate 66 points67 points68 points 10 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

I love this video and the fact that it raises awareness to the hidden trauma regarding statutory rape of boys; I just wish comments were enabled on the YouTube video.

[–]Zenjan 106 points107 points108 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I just wish comments were enabled on the YouTube video.

You really don't.

[–]closetedapostate 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You really don't.

Why not?

[–]Xelipho 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever seen a man in an open community talk about being raped?

It's all "BULLSHIT YOU TOTALLY LIKED IT"

"COME ON, ALL GUYS WANT IS SEX"

"GUYS CAN'T EVEN BE RAPED HOW DOES THAT EVEN WORK LOL"

It's pretty awful.

[–]sil0 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"YOU CAN'T RAPE GUYS, THEY HAVE PRIVILEGE"

ffs

[–]Xelipho 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's a good one, but I'm trying to impersonate the non-feminist crowd that have been taught like the gentleman in the video.

[–]sil0 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah, gotcha. I thought it followed with your thought that guys can't be raped. I've heard a lot of arguments from the regressive left that men are in a position of power and therefore cannot be raped or be victims of racism.

[–]Xelipho 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I get it. Either way it's still hard to swallow.

[–]sil0 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Indeed it is. Great feedback, btw.

[–]Xelipho 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]jlevy1126 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This reality made me sad.

[–]Xelipho -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's pretty messed. Bur patriarchy hurts men, too, so Feminism will get around to it.

Eventually.

[–]closetedapostate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Point taken, I was just hoping that there would be more commenters who were as interested in truth and justice as we were and also had insightful things to say. I guess I was wrong.

[–]Sabbatai 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems most people can get behind "statutory rape of boys" as being a bad thing. But a MAN being raped by a woman? LUDICROUS!!

And that troubles me. I know two full grown men who were raped and it ruined their lives. Both were blamed by others for what happened despite them both being near black out drunk when a sober woman they'd never touch raped them.

One was married and her husband was 100% sure my male friend was the only one who did anything wrong. His sober bitch of a wife was innocent and in fact it was she who was raped. By a dude who could barely function.

Fuck that noise.

[+][deleted] -42 points-41 points-40 points 10 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure it's statutory from what he's describing. Sounds more like he was told by others that it can "only be statutory" because he was a boy so he wanted sex, right? He just wasn't old enough, so, "Yeah it's statutory, I guess. But show me a boy that age who wouldn't love to fuck a hot teacher."

Apparently I have to fucking edit this shit to say that THAT IS NOT MY FUCKING OPINION AND I WAS EXPRESSING DISDAIN FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO STOP FUCKING TAKING WHAT I SAID WRONG BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ!

[–]manicmonkeys 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that. The whole point of statutory rape laws is because teens and children have shitty judgement and are known to make bad choices on instincts and impulses. So the fact that a 13 year old boy might've wanted it if anything makes her predatory actions WORSE, not better.

[–]Ocedei 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Dude that is the POINT of the video.

[+][deleted] -28 points-27 points-26 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

What's the point of the video? He literally says he got hard from the stimulation and fear.

[–]LordBass 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women can also get wet when being raped, but it doesn't make it any less rape.

[–]dontpet 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can orgasm too. From a Reddit discussion I saw the women commenting said that totally screwed with their heads

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Y'all are a bunch of imbeciles if you think I'm defending the woman here. For fuck's sake..

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

An erection isn't consent.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I NEVER SAID IT WAS! I was literally criticizing that idea, for fuck's sake you bunch of idiots.

[–]Ocedei 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

The point of the video was that he did get raped but because he is a dude he was told that it wasn't "real" rape "just statutory"

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Which is what I had said it was about so I'm fucking confused.

[–]Ocedei 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Idk man I thought you were trying to go a different direction with that post. I tend to have the same problem of people misunderstanding what I am saying as well.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm pissed off now that anyone can take me going "It wasn't statutory," then saying that it was other people who said it was statutory and fucking...Gawddamn, people are so fucking stupid. I said it wasn't statutory rape and everybody decided I was saying it wasn't rape. IT'S FUCKING NORMAL RAPE! THAT WAS MY POINT FROM THE BEGINNING! Yet the guy who said it was statutory gets upvoted and I get downvoted? IT WAS NOT STATUTORY RAPE, SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU UPVOTING SOMEBODY WHO SAID IT WAS?!?!

[–]LordBass 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Everyone is stupid because you can't express yourself properly? Nice way of thinking. Are you a Canadian named Scott, by any chance?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I expressed myself perfectly fucking fine, though. Seriously, what is wrong with what I originally said? Except that I don't use that stupid "/s" thing at the end and people can't get that when I fucking quote something, I AM NOT THE PERSON SAYING IT!

[–]01111010100 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry no one understands you. Maybe change your way of thinking? Also, getting extremely mad isn't helping.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a fuck. I'm pissed off that people are acting like I said something so terrible that I never fucking said. I would never say that. I literally cry when people I'm around start saying that shit because after you try to explain three times and they just go "I wouldn't have complained at 13," it's kinda too much to process that people can be so ignorant.

[–]backtotheocean 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you unable to detect and identify the inflection put on fear?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got the inflection. I'm fucking confused why anyone has a problem with what I'm saying because I was fucking pointing out that it's rape that people called "just statutory" because he was a boy. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THAT?! Seriously, I criticized the idea that this was about victims of statutory rape because it's just flat out rape.

[–]zer0t3ch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

STOP FUCKING TAKING WHAT I SAID WRONG BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ!

Poe's law

Stop getting bent out of shape just because not everyone know's how to interpret the hidden meanings of what you type.

[+]Bailie2 -56 points-55 points-54 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems to me he was more traumatized by the stigma and by suddenly being different and judged by everyone. Like he wasn't emotionally ready even though he thought he was. Its regret sex. Swap the genders and what if a woman said it was rape, when it was really regret... So yeah, I would say statutory, taking advantage of a minor.

[–]Jesus_marley 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[–]backtotheocean 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape is about power and control most of the time, and the teacher/student relationship has a power structure that does not allow the subordinate to have the agency to give consent. There was an additional aspect of age too that eliminates consent. It's really sick to tell the victim that they wanted it or that it's regret after the fact when they were unable to give consent by default.

[–]Wiiboy95 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can we put the video for this in the wiki/sidebar so it doesn't get reposted every two weeks?

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[–]Lethn 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol that's just a sign you need to take a break and look at some funny animal videos or something :P I'm getting that way sometimes too.

[–]BeetrootRelish 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/eyebleach

[–]Jaz_the_Nagai 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry you feel that way...

We're looking forward to having you back if you feel up to it. :)

[–]fosterco 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The patriarchy is responsible. /s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally what feminists purport.

[–]kaluh_glarski 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

holy shit, that slaps you in the face pretty hard right there at the end.

[–]ThogOfWar 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, why can't he realize that it's impossible for men to be raped by women? He was sexually assaulted, dummy.

I mean, feminists petitioned that men can't be raped, because rape is power and women have none, so women can only sexually assault.

Rape when it happens to a woman, inconsequential when it happens to a man, according to the law.

[–]Parmazilla 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, feminists petitioned that men can't be raped,

Source?

[–]Pastasky 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about that, but there is a part of feminist theory that argues that rape is penetration only, and a woman having sex with a man is not raping him, just forcing him to penetrate her.

So by that logic women pretty much never rape men. Just sexually assault them. In fact, so few men are raped that when the government conducted a sexual violence survey, they couldn't find any men who had been raped in the past 12 months (of 2011).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm?s_cid=ss6308a1_e

[–]compoundbreak791 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought this was pretty dramatic when I first saw it on television.

[–]Demonhunter115 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I looked at this multiple times today, because it really makes me think. I talked to my friend about it, I talked to my feminist sister about it (yes, that leads to some crazy arguements), and of all the times I looked at it, I didn't even notice how he looks like he's about to cry in the end there. Damn.

[–]CWBECK 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course there are people in the comments whining about how it's not a post about women.

Can't we EVER talk about the issues that one gender faces without talking about the other? One of them literally said that imgur promotes a "white male victim narrative" as if it's impossible for men (race has nothing to do with it, sort of obvious that you're a biased dipshit who jumped on the "check your privilege" bandwagon) to ever talk about issues in society that THEY alone face.

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[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What beautiful acting. If it didn't happen to him it captured something very relevant about a range of men affected by this issue. Beautiful.

[–]DillipFayKick 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/unexpected

[–]azazelcrowley 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How to do clickbait properly. Chilling video.

[–]fbtra 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was banned from feminism for sharing this.

[–]tmnt88 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. This has needed addressing for a long time.

[–]sil0 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That last still when his eyes were red was really impactful for me.

[–]Tymmah[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who was statutory raped as a 12 year old by a 17 year old, I still don't know to this day how much that really affected me.

[–]Botanical-Concepts 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men making rape jokes like this guy Rodrigo Duertere about women is the crime on the century. But men actually being raped by woman IS a hilarious joke.

PFFFFT

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[–]dontpet 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think of women as ruthless and unemotional in relationships but respect that may be your experience.

I think you could make the case that women generally want men to be more contained in their emotions. And that women's emotions come first.

[–]01111010100 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"I'm an alpha"

Holy jesus...

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[–]Jaz_the_Nagai 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm of the understanding that if you are truly an alpha you never say that you are an alpha...

[–]KexyKnave -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Spoken truth. I'm surprised it's not known more. Women see relationships like men see a razor. It's useful, odds are you'll need it for most if not all of your life. Hell it may even look cool or get your skin baby soft. But it's still an object. Men place their emotional weight on females, they invest in them.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is an actor fam. Not that men's rape isn't extremely serious and painful, but this is like showing a movie clip from Forrest Gump to convey how serious Vietnam was.

[–]jontomas 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

is it? (not doubting, just curious - i thought was pretty convincing)

[–]wilwarland 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I did some googling. If this article is to be believed, he is an actor. He was also sexually assaulted as a child.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It actually is. I'm not trying to be a dick, I was just pointing it out. Sorry if I came off that way

[+]wiseprogressivethink -24 points-23 points-22 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No way that beta got laid at age 13.

[–]BeetrootRelish 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, he got raped.

[–]psufan5 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shouldn't you be calling him dad?

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[–]BaconLondoner 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OP, you fucked up

[–]FFXIV_Machinist[S] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

who?

[+]BrodyKraut -109 points-108 points-107 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Should have seen my 7th grade science teacher. Wouldn't have objected if she had her way with me.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she is still alive and perhaps you can introduce her to your son or nephew. I am sure they wouldn't mind.

[+]BrodyKraut -50 points-49 points-48 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Nah she has a few years on her now.

[–]philipito 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're either a cunt or a troll. Oh wait, you can be both!

[+]BrodyKraut -23 points-22 points-21 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I regret nothing I've said. Meant every word.

That teacher is probably in her 60's by now.

[–]philipito 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I meant every word I said as well! :D

[+]BrodyKraut -8 points-7 points-6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay just know that you're wrong.

[–]philipito 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what a cunt would say! ;)

[–]dontpet 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean your head wouldn't be screwed up by the experience. I support a number of survivors that would say they thought the same thing as you until it happened.

[–]BrodyKraut -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, I lost my virginity a year or so later and it didn't screw me up at all.

That teacher wouldn't have been able to force me into anything I didn't want.

[–]dontpet 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've talked to different guys where their first sexual experiences were with someone who was in a position of power/responsibility one them.

For some it was like you. A gay friend for example feels grateful to his Scout master for his first sexual experiences.

For other guys it was fine and something they enjoyed and they didn't seem harmed by it.

For some of the guys they didn't think of themselves as being harmed but it was hard not to think it did harm them. One example comes to mind where he was drawn to seed with much older women. Another where he wasn't attracted to men but he would seek out men for sex and loathed himself for it. He didn't make the connection to his abuse at first.

Others were like OP.

My point is I doubt there is a way to know which category you would fall into as a13 year old and adults should probably not fuck them for that reason.

[–]jb_trp 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait... Are you saying that we have age of consent laws for a reason? And that regardless of gender, adults shouldn't take advantage of children, even if the child is attracted to the adult, because we don't know how it's going to affect the child emotionally/developmentally?

Now you're just talking crazy! /s

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Call me a sjw.

[+]checkm8- -18 points-17 points-16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I WISH I got 'raped' by my teacher in high school. mmm she had a fat ass

[+]noreallyimthepope -20 points-19 points-18 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Low effort repost.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist[S] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

if its a repost in the /r/mensrights then i've never seen it prior to this.

[–]Hypertroph -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Really? It is from a widely circulated video. It was well known before I even knew reddit existed.

I appreciate that not everyone has seen this video, but it's reposted in one form or another on a weekly basis. It's on the top posts of the sub too, so it's hardly buried.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist[S] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yea... been on /r/mensrights for years.... never once have i seen it...

[–]The1KrisRoB 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also never seen it

[–]xynomaster 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty surprised by that actually. I thought it was a very well known video around here. Definitely something everyone should see though because it's so powerful.

[+]BatmansAlterEgoo -20 points-19 points-18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy is such a faggot.

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