Mail Online contradicts itself in the same article.

OnTheSlope · 2018-07-31T02:14:22+00:00

34/44.8=%76

Wage Gap=%76

hmmm...

Avistew · 2018-07-31T01:18:39+00:00

My guess is the original title was something like "Women work more and men work less" (than five years ago, that is), and someone who didn't bother to read the article changed the title. From what I know about articles, this kind of thing happens all the time.

I think if they were just trying to lie about it, they'd also lie in the article instead of giving figures that show men are working almost as much as they used to, and women aren't really catching up yet.

iTzinmyblood · 2018-07-31T04:32:57+00:00

The title of an article is more important than the content. Most people read on glance than read on depth

tenchineuro · 2018-07-31T02:01:01+00:00

Wow, women don't even average 40 hours a week.

puppehplicity · 2018-07-31T03:20:45+00:00

But the wage gap!!!!

Why are men earning 8% more money when they are working 25% more hours? It's misogyny!

TheMythof_Feminism · 2018-07-31T01:13:55+00:00

Logic is a tool of the white supremacist capitalist imperalist colonialist colorist ableist misogynist white supremacist homphobic transphobic islamophobic xenophobic dogophobic white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.

Don't you know?

monodon_homo · 2018-07-31T06:46:40+00:00

It's not necessarily contradicting itself, that would be laughable. Instead it is doing something more insidious; manipulating statistics to push an agenda (what a surprise).

"women work longer hours than men"

Should be

"women have increased the amount they work whilst men have decreased theirs, however men still work ~8 hours more"

Isn't this what feminists want anyway? I don't get what this article is pushing.

Walkabeast · 2018-07-31T05:10:23+00:00

Ya see you forgot to tally up the hours of emotional labor, pushes glasses up nose bridge SO ACKSHUALLY, women do work more.

chambertlo · 2018-07-31T11:37:48+00:00

Women have to be treated like retarded children for the entire gender to get ahead. Why am I not surprised?

LunchLady3000 · 2018-07-31T04:41:57+00:00

Maybe if they pursued careers that paid more there wouldn't be a wage gap AND they'd have basic math skills

DiamondxCrafting · 2018-07-31T15:55:00+00:00

Work hours and professions and overtimes and number of vacations all taken into account shows that women earn a bit more than men.

movie_criticdotexe · 2018-07-31T04:46:34+00:00

Not like they’re ever a reliable source anyway

XenoX101 · 2018-07-31T10:25:27+00:00

How many minutes are in a longer hour as opposed to a normal hour?

alex_dlc · 2018-07-31T12:31:20+00:00

Longer hours? Whats the conversion rate between man hours and woman hours?

mrcreeky · 2018-07-31T12:37:01+00:00

I would love to only work 34 hours..

keepitswoozy · 2018-07-31T07:25:55+00:00

Double plus good

WithBothNostrils · 2018-07-31T09:43:58+00:00

My job doesn't allow less than 40 hours a week.

thetompain · 2018-07-31T12:55:58+00:00

If they get something this simple so wrong, just imagine how wrong they are on other issues. The media has zero credibility these days, they seem more like PR reps for ideologues and activists than actual journalists.

emmagineallthepeople · 2018-07-31T06:19:07+00:00

Matthew Hickley probably shouldn't be working as a journalist. Clickbait title, unclear wording, obvious contradictions.

If those stats are even true, all they show is that the average amount a man works has declined over the last few years, while the average amount a woman works has increased over the last few years.

That doesn't mean the wage gap doesn't exist.

Since women are starting to work longer hours and men are starting to work shorter hours, it follows that the wage gap should be closing. However, since women tend to take on professional roles that are undervalued and underpaid, the average income for women is still lower than that of men.

No figures are presented to support Matthew's claim that the wage gap is widening, though.

bradwbowman · 2018-07-31T13:46:07+00:00

Here is the author's LinkedIN profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-hickley-543a5622/ "Matthew specialises in narrative development"

No Shit!

L3tum · 2018-07-31T05:06:54+00:00

God I want to work only so many hours :(

Ovv_Topik · 2018-07-31T09:43:02+00:00

Numbers are hard!

tonyh322 · 2018-07-31T11:40:16+00:00

34 hours a week on average.

More demanding management roles and professional jobs.

No.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2018-07-31T11:50:48+00:00

That's a pretty bold lie. I guess they feel comfortable knowing their base won't call them out on it.

staticsnake · 2018-07-31T14:34:38+00:00

I work in data and this shit pisses me off. The average for women has increased while the average for men has decreased, yet men's average is still higher than women's.

This isn't even as bad for me with the gender bias. People just do this with all topics, mis-reading things all the time to get data to say what they want it to say.

jaheiner · 2018-07-31T15:08:27+00:00

I admire the feminist's drive and ambition. I'd love to get paid my current salary while working 24% less hours each week.

coolyman13 · 2018-07-31T15:08:59+00:00

An hour is only 60 minutes though how can they be longer.

And the men clearly work more hours.

whiskyjeezus · 2018-07-31T15:15:17+00:00

'Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.'

Sp0kySc4rySk3l3t0n · 2018-07-31T18:42:53+00:00

Wage Gap confirmed. Men are being opressed, fight the patriarchy!

wickedogg · 2018-07-31T19:12:48+00:00

Clickbait gonna bait for clicks

Throwawayingaccount · 2018-08-01T00:10:35+00:00

No no, you see, Even though men work more hours than women, women work LONGER hours than men. Every hour that a woman works is 61 minutes long.

virtus119 · 2018-07-31T10:03:45+00:00

I think they're arguing that hours are longer for women. So a woman-hour of work time is not the same as a man-hour of work time.

ColonelVirus · 2018-07-31T10:10:11+00:00

That's a special kind of mental gymnastics there Jesus Christ.

Aeponix · 2018-07-31T05:59:30+00:00

I think it's just badly written. They seem to mean that women are working longer hours while men are working shorter hours, not that women are working longer hours overall. Basically, they're saying men are slacking and women are picking it up.

I'm not saying they're right about the wage gap, but I think they understand that 34 hrs is shorter than 44 hrs. But who knows, you have to be some kind of idiot to think the wage gap is some sexist oppression.

Folamh3 · 2018-07-31T07:22:55+00:00

Don't worry, they've got an answer for this as well:

Take hours worked, which is a standard control in some of the more sophisticated wage gap studies. Women tend to work fewer hours than men. If you control for hours worked, then some of the gender wage gap vanishes. As Yglesias wrote, it’s “silly to act like this is just some crazy coincidence. Women work shorter hours because as a society we hold women to a higher standard of housekeeping, and because they tend to be assigned the bulk of childcare responsibilities.”

Controlling for hours worked, in other words, is at least partly controlling for how gender works in our society. It’s controlling for the thing that you’re trying to isolate.

The link is a rebuttal of the above point.

craftychap · 2018-07-31T09:59:25+00:00

Fucken Rookie numbers these girls, you gotta pump up those numbers I just did 60hrs in four days come on now you are falling behind i'll earn more than you if you don't!!!

En-TitY_ · 2018-07-31T12:09:51+00:00

... and yet that pay gap really does exist. Why not just purely employ women because it's clearly cheaper?

Roak_Zulu · 2018-07-31T12:29:44+00:00

Their trying to took our jobs!!!!!!

03Cobra · 2018-07-31T13:06:23+00:00

Post this to r/trollxchromosomes

GiraffeOfTheEndWorld · 2018-07-31T14:14:58+00:00

Not even a full time job..?

Excavateandfill · 2018-07-31T15:21:53+00:00

It should be against the law for journalists to pretend they are statisticians

devious29 · 2018-07-31T16:14:00+00:00

I don't think anyone in the UK takes the mail seriously. Clearly this extends to their writers.

Drezzzire · 2018-07-31T17:53:57+00:00

Why is there a fe-mail section anyway

Is there a male-mail section?

Hmm 🤔

Mythandros · 2018-07-31T18:10:14+00:00

I see someone has been reading failonline.

HakerRuski · 2018-08-01T12:18:06+00:00

Longer hours? How can one hour be longer than another?

2018-08-02T05:13:43+00:00

Protip: In almost every publication, the person who writes the article and the person who writes the title for it are not the same person.

Dank_Meems · 2018-08-02T14:17:38+00:00

Women are also good at The Maths.

LoneKharnivore · 2018-07-31T11:12:06+00:00

So stop reading the ridiculous right-wing comic that is the Daily Mail. Only got yourself to blame.

atombombbabyatombomb · 2018-07-31T04:54:26+00:00

How the hell is four hours half a day?

ExpertGamerJohn · 2018-07-31T08:05:06+00:00

Oh shit 1,000th upvote ^:)

pra8eek · 2018-07-31T04:22:37+00:00

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Title	Mail Online contradicts itself in the same article.
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Date	July 31, 2018 1:10 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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