Guns: public service announcement [US]

rRaptorJesus · 2015-08-27T03:32:35+00:00

Some would say that a responsible citizen has a duty to own and be proficient with firearms. Pick your crisis scenario, a weapon could be the difference between protecting those you love or getting wasted.

People who want to ban firearms never stop to think about how it will be accomplished... Other men, armed with guns, will forcibly take your guns and shoot your ass if you refuse. Hypocracy much?

I'm sure our politicians and cops are completely trustworthy, always will be in the future, and would never abuse having absolute monopoly on firepower.

Without the 2nd amendment you can't preserve the first.

redpillbanana · 2015-08-27T09:14:00+00:00

When businesses were being looted in Koreatown during the LA riots, the LAPD left the area and went to protect the rich in Beverly Hills. The police abandoned Korean business owners when they most needed police protection.

What worked in the Koreans' favor: South Korea has had mandatory military service for all men of conscription age since the Korean war. A large percentage of Korean men have had infantry training and know their way around guns.

From Wikipedia:

Korean-Americans, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store owners, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mobs. Open gun battles were televised, as in one well publicized incident where Korean shopkeepers armed with M1 carbines, pump action shotguns, and handguns exchanged gunfire with, broke up, and forced a retreat of a group of armed looters.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect you. It's up to you to protect yourself, and if you don't, the police will dutifully come by after the fact to do their investigation.

vengefully_yours · 2015-08-27T05:50:56+00:00

I grew up on a farm, that means we had guns and I learned to use them proficiently by the time I was 10. I achieved expert marksman four times in the military very easily. In 8th grade we all took a hunter safety course in the school, no shooting because all of us had our own guns, usually shotguns but often 30-30s or 30.06, and everyone had 22s. Firearm safety and proper use paramount, I have zero fear of them, and though I'm not a "gun nut" I own several, mostly semi auto military types with high capacity magazines.

I have two daughters, and they've been around loaded weapons their entire lives. When they were 4 and 6 I gave them a simple demonstration of what a shotgun can do. I didn't scare them, I had them watch while I put a hole in a 2x4, had them touch the wood to see how hard it was, and how soft they are. They respected guns after that.

When they were 6 and 8 they fired 22s, turns out they are very capable shooters. When they were teens they fired my 7.62mm rifles and the 12 gauge I demonstrated when they were little. They are safe with guns, aren't bloodthirsty nuts, and are unafraid of shooting. It's a fun challenge and pastime for us, we see who can shoot the best at different ranges with different sights.

My brothers also taught their kids safety and techniques, and despite having multiple weapons around all the time, none of our kids were "accidentally" shot. Two of my siblings are grandparents, and between the 6 of us we have 20 kids, so it's not a small family. All of us are heavily armed, even my sisters have guns, though the one right after me doesn't shoot. Hell dad bought us all sequential numbered lever actions for Christmas last year.

You rarely hear of farm kids accidentally shooting themselves or friends, sure it happens in cases where they're crossing a fence or something like that, but they sure as fuck aren't playing around or clueless about how they work. The people against guns are simply afraid of them, have never been taught correctly, or have zero experience. They're the ones who have kids killed, due to a lack of training and experience, and thus no respect for firearms.

Movies and TV are not good representation of guns and the capabilites of them. Hands on training is vastly better than trying to outlaw firearms, understanding how it works and what to do as well as what not to do come from hands on experience. I will never give mine up and I expect others to be the same. It's a constitutional right, and that right allows us to protect the other rights. I cling to all of my rights, and will defend/have defended yours as well.

holytrpbatman · 2015-08-26T21:05:52+00:00

It was a requirement, shortly after the U.S. war for independence, that all able bodied males over the age of 14 have arms readily available, with enough ammunition and powder for two days of activity.

putsch80 · 2015-08-26T21:29:09+00:00

One of the truisms for many areas in the U.S. is that, as a man, you are expected to know how to use a gun. That doesn't mean that you have to like guns, or keep guns, or shoot guns. But it does mean that, if a gun is encountered (such as when staying at someone else's house, cleaning out a family member's home after a death, etc...), a woman will likely look to you as the man to properly handle it and ensure that it does not pose a threat to her or your children.

In order to do this, you should have a basic knowledge of how to load and unload ammo from a gun. You should also know how to see if a safety is on, and how to put the gun in a position that visibly shows it is not loaded. A cheap, basic, one or two hour firearms course can teach you this.

RememberingAlpha · 2015-08-26T21:31:14+00:00

I shoot IPSC competetively and concealed carry every day of my life. Building AR-15's is a personal favorite hobby. Hunting for meat is a seasonal thing.

Men know firearms, firearms safety, and their proper operation. End story.

WardlyHasted · 2015-08-26T22:10:26+00:00

Countries like Switzerland prove that guns alone are not the problem. It is always, always people who are the problem.

Blaming guns for gun violence is like blaming food for the obesity pandemic. Fatty food doesn't just jump down someone's throat, just like a gun doesn't shoot someone on its own.

ScarletBliss · 2015-08-27T14:22:47+00:00

I live in Germany. Civilians are disallowed from owning guns (other than collectors or hunters, and both require certification) and carry licenses are only given to security contractors and politicians. We still have more gun related crimes per capita than Switzerland.

The problem is that in our multi party democracy there is no gun lobby party like the US has in the GOP and NRA. Even if we wanted to, we couldn't vote for less restrictive gun laws.

So, to all our US redditors: cherish the fact that you can purchase and carry guns as a civilian.

_bluerabbit_ · 2015-08-27T07:13:41+00:00

As a non american i will say this to the americans keep your guns and fight for the right to have them, you will probably need them in the future.

Davidkpa · 2015-08-26T21:09:28+00:00

I have two storage units full of guns (I also have two safes at home with lots of guns). I legally own three machine guns and about to get a fourth (NFA Tax Stamps in the U.S.).

I make guns from scratch in 4340 and 4140 depending on gun and component. I've made a few cap and ball Colt open type revolvers from Thermite forgings I've done.

If you want to be another brand boy you can or you enjoy the anthropological, historical, metallurgical, chemistry, political, and financial aspects of guns. I prefer to make guns nowadays more than anything. I need another project and am thinking of a Martini-Henry style rifle in .45-70. I've already got an antique Snider-Enfeld in .577 and any new builds I would do would have to be in .577-.450 and I'm just not up for that when I already have two rifles in .45-70 that I reload for.

Long range shooting with rifles, and even handguns at times, takes a lot of focus and can be very Zen if you do it right. I still love busting out my PSL variant home-build in 8mm Mauser and hitting coke liter bottles at 600 plus meters.

And when you learn to make guns, there isn't much else small part and small tool wise you can't make.

alclarkey · 2015-08-26T22:18:40+00:00

If you're planning on going out for the evening, there's no better get to get yourself pumped up than to shoot off a box of ammo before hand.

Rufio0331 · 2015-08-27T00:48:56+00:00

I'm a proud 2nd amendment exerciser. Also if getting chicks is your goal, bringing a chick to the range is the fast track to getting laid.

Ladd_MaccAodh · 2015-08-27T16:53:38+00:00

Practical self-defense, manly skills, and analysis of power dynamics are always trp-related. But I'll tie this back to sexual strategy.

Guns are a bit like motorcycles: love them or hate them, they boost your SMV. Handle them properly and the risk well within what most men consider acceptable. Range dates are fantastic DHV's - you bring her to your place, take your guns apart in front of her, give her a 30-second overview of the components, then teach her the three safety rules:

Don't touch the trigger or put your finger inside the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot.
Don't point the gun at anything you're unwilling to shoot. If in doubt, point it at the ground slightly in front of you.
Always treat the gun as if it is loaded.

Three simple rules. About half of the girls I've taken to the range will break all three within ten seconds of touching a handgun for the first time, so if you're not using a rifle, give her an unloaded gun at home (you did sequester your ammo in the other room, right?) and be prepared to gently take it out of her hand when she puts her finger on the trigger and looks down the barrel or points it at you without thinking. To be fair, that mostly happened when I lived in California around girls who had never even seen a gun up close. These same girls, by the way, all vehemently declared that they hate guns and want them banned. The conversation then goes like this:

"Have you ever fired a gun before?" "No" "Want to?" "... Yeah"

Not kidding, I've hardly ever seen even token resistance to the notion of firing a gun. Most will rationalize it as proving herself correct. So drill her on the safety rules - use the opportunity to show calm, dominant leadership. This is you in wise alpha instructor mode. I recommend rifles for the first time, as the girl is less likely to drop it, you can more easily hold it from behind her, and she's less likely to point it at something you don't want to shoot. Take her to the range and have some fun.

These days I live in a shall-issue state, so I carry everywhere unless I'm going to have more than one drink. Part of the beauty of a range date is you can casually load up your carry piece and keep it on during the date. She'll most likely ask about it. Resist the urge to get political - she may be using words that sound like real questions, but the subtext of the question is being sure you're comfortable with power and not a psycho. Fitness and safety testing. It's like her version of when you quizzed her on the three rules. So give her an honest, ten-words-or-less answer, then move on and don't make a big deal of it. Go out to a farmer's market and get ice cream or something. She'll know you're armed and she'll feel protected.

Of all the date venues, PUA moves, and DHV's I know, the range date is the only one where I've ever had a 100% f-close success rate. Far and away better than nightclubs. And that's even though most women I've taken out are anti-gun. One even went with me, fired a single round, put down the gun, and said "Too scary." She was practically tearing my clothes off an hour later. Likewise, women who know I carry have never stopped seeing me for it (though to be fair, most of those already knew me pretty well before they learned).

A few final tips:

When firing handguns, a lot of first-timers will put their thumb behind the slide. That's bad. Don't let them do that. I haven't seen anyone get too close to the slide on a rifle, but watch for it anyway. Supervise her closely.
For her first shot, load only a single round, and help hold the gun. Some people will drop the gun when it first fires and they feel the recoil.
And, perhaps most important, do not attempt to teach a girl to shoot if you yourself are not smart enough to teach her. I've been shooting since I was 8, I've had formal instruction, I practice frequently. Don't be the dumbass who buys a gun, shoots it once, and then gets himself or someone else killed by being an idiot.

TheSliceman · 2015-08-26T22:46:47+00:00

There is no banning guns.

Rather there is decentralization of firearms across the globe in the hands of individuals who seek to protect the fruits of their labor or having firearms centralized in the hands of those who wish to control the herd.

Which one do you support?

If the answer is not resounding and obvious, you need to literally forget everything you know about the state and human action and start from scratch.

Edit: And just cuz my weekend just started and Im in a mildy good mood feeling my new sling, I shall.

4StreamsLightAndLife · 2015-08-27T01:00:42+00:00

The "Red Pill", acknowledging and embracing reality for what it really is, extends far beyond gender dynamics.

Victim Disarmament is a blue-pill stance. "Gun Free Zones" are known by the mentally competent as wishful/magical thinking.

There's a common joke, "If you tell her you're anti-gun, she'll understand that you both need to see other men." The joke questions the sexuality of those who favor victim disarmament. What it really means is that if you are delusional on the issue of bearing arms, you are not fit to protect her.

If you have an LTR and she didn't grow up in a rural area, chances are her father/brother/insert-male-role-model here didn't do the job of making sure she is proficient with a firearm, the responsibility falls on you.

If you love your children, they will know how to disassemble, reassemble, and operate an AR-15 by age 12 if not younger.

_whistler · 2015-08-26T21:51:25+00:00

I hate guns. I really, really hate them. But they exist, and there's nothing I can do about that. I'm picking up my first sidearm this weekend, and as soon as I've put in enough range hours to be comfortable operating it, I'll carry it.

Hating something doesn't mean you shouldn't use it to your advantage.

BramRhodesDouglas · 2015-08-27T07:35:40+00:00

I don't remember the first time I shot a gun. I must have been four years old when I first shot a gun with my dad. I've been shooting ever since. I always get a kick out of Yankees and Europeans who've never shot and act like its exotic or something. It was no different than learning how to swim. I can't remember doing that either haha

Washedupoaf · 2015-08-26T23:01:04+00:00

Shoot what you can, when you can. It's always good to be prepared should you need to use a firearm to defend yourself, however unlikely that may be. No handguns here but I can hit a gallon milk jug consistently over 150 yards away with my Great Grandfather's Winchester model 94 with open sights.

JonKnowsSnow · 2015-08-27T02:06:32+00:00

Shooting is mediation

meditation* :) Very nice post, though I live in elsewhere

RP_Vergil · 2015-08-27T10:00:57+00:00

Shooting is not just a test of your skill. It's about being One with the Gun. Not kidding here.

It's one thing to hit 40/40 on a Target 100m away on a Rifle without external noise interfering you. Handguns are a real test of your capability to remain still against the elementd when firing.

Shooting Clay Pigeons using a shotgun requires not accuracy alone, but your ability to focus and identify the flight path.

Try it before rejection. You may enjoy shooting as a hobby.

Elodrian · 2015-08-27T12:20:31+00:00

Take a day course on handguns; it should have live/range fire at the end. A private lesson with an instructor is best. This is like learning CPR, learning to swim, or even riding a bike. Do it once and you never have to do it again.

Firearm proficiency, and CPR even moreso, is not something you learn and just have forever. If it's been 3 years since your last St John's Ambulance refresher, and you are at the scene of an accident, you are going to blank on what to do. Skill fade is real and it's the reason we do refresher training on this stuff every year in the military.

Snivellious · 2015-08-27T14:11:03+00:00

As an extension of "knowledge is valuable", know how and why you're anti-gun if you are.

There are real arguments for gun regulations that really increase public safety. These are almost never the arguments you hear discussed.

To the pro-gun side:

'Assault weapon' is a meaningless term that bans modifications, not weapons. Will the lack of a flash suppressor really stop a mass shooting?
Most purchases involve background checks even in the case of (legal) private sales. The gun show loophole is real, but it's not driving mass shootings or street crime.
- Strawman buying and shooters who pass background checks drive mass shootings.
- Illegal sales, thefts, and strawman buying drive street crime.
Laws that limit magazine size are almost always meaningless. There's no proof they change casualty numbers, and often the required mods take about 30 seconds to undo, so they only inconvenience noncriminals.

On the other hand:

Rates of violence per owned gun drop when trigger locks or some other handgun safety features are required.
- This is primarily true in preventing accidental shootings
Violence rates drop when waiting periods are implemented (at least for handguns, I haven't seen long gun numbers)
Most shootings aren't mass shootings or street crime. They're accidental or heat of the moment incidents with legal firearms.
- As a result, gun violence is directly correlated with legally owned guns per capita. The claim that violence won't change because it's done with illegal guns isn't true.

So learn the issues before you pick a side. Go shoot a gun before you do so, and learn about gun types and gun features (no one is shooting up schools with side-by-side shotguns). Both sides of this issue exist in accept-no-compromise echo chambers, so find some actual facts.

seddition · 2015-08-28T03:38:00+00:00

If the democrats win this next election cycle you can guarantee that there will be substantial gun reform. Expect ammo and guns to get a lot more expensive. Also, with the growing civil unrest in this country it is suicidal not to own a firearm. AR-15's are under $500.00 right now, and this may be the last period of time where they are priced affordably. Stock up now.

MikePatton-yakyakyak · 2015-08-27T19:33:57+00:00

I love how the anti-gun faggots are out in force once again, all because some gay, fat, black autist shot a couple people.

FACT: He could've easily ambushed them and killed them with a kitchen knife. Close Quarters attacks with a blade have a higher likelihood of fatality (or serious injury) than attacks with a handgun.

Redasshole · 2015-08-27T22:10:12+00:00

I live in europe. If the police finds you with a 4cm blade, you get arrested.

lightfire409 · 2015-08-26T23:28:10+00:00

Buying a firearm for home protection is one of the smartest "shit hits the fan" safety precautions you could ever make. Plus, girls will love the "you're a man who can and will defend whats his" attitude.

NidStyles · 2015-08-26T22:19:05+00:00

Hey OP, here's something you should read:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=1

haxurmind · 2015-08-27T05:02:56+00:00

Mistakes like this are what happens without proper education about guns.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/removalist-moving-wardrobe-shot-with-gun-in-freak-accident/story-fni0fee2-1227490200215

Australian gun laws are too strict when it comes to the point of someone coming to harm through ignorance about gun safety.

Don't end up like him, or worse the main attraction at a funeral; appreciate and take the opportunities to learn gun safety you have in the US that are missing in Australia.

blackhornatnight · 2015-08-27T16:45:49+00:00

Only reason I'd get a gun is for protection, not for man feelz. I don't need to compare the size of my gun to another man's.

[deleted] · 2015-08-27T18:54:04+00:00

Guns are an all or nothing proposition, either everyone has them or nobody has them(law enforcement included). Since it's realistically impossible to get rid of Millions of guns, Everyone needs to have guns.

chewy_dragee · 2015-08-27T19:10:16+00:00

It strange, once you've handled a gun and shot it a few times it becomes as ubiquitous as a knife or a stapler. It's dangerous, and you have to be responsible, but it's about the same as keeping a gas cylinder stored/ not leaving needles lying around.

I fucking hate guns though, but having one has saved me and my family's life twice now... So as much as I want to, I cannot not have them around.

Not from usa btw.

TheMGhandi · 2015-08-28T03:34:33+00:00

I just spent the past weekend shooting many guns. Before this weekend I had: [1] never shot a gun ~~in public~~ and [2] never seen a gun (outside of an officer's holster).

Sounds like the beginning of an erotic novel.

mrmeyhemn · 2015-08-28T07:05:20+00:00

remember, treat all guns as if they are loaded and the safety is off.

AGALT.

-Petulance · 2015-08-27T07:25:10+00:00

While the argument that it's the people behind the guns not the guns themselves that are the problem, you need to acknowledge the fact that disarming said people is a lot easier and time efficient than teaching them to handle their weapons and themselves.

How many years has the fight on obesity and been raging on? If you can't even encourage people to stop killing themselves with food how can you encourage them to stop killing others? Same could be said for drug and alcohol abuse.

Regardless of whether you're responsible with weapons and all the people you know are responsible you have to take into account all of those who aren't. Just because Sweden can do it doesn't mean every country can too, especially when Western countries can't even convince people to eat fruit and encourage the use of a scooter instead of the use of their own legs.

"A douche-bag is born every minute"

Opisdf · 2015-08-26T21:24:17+00:00

If you don't like guns you're a fucking pussy and need to chop your balls off.

Surf_Or_Die · 2015-08-26T21:27:02+00:00

I'm all for guns but I'm also all for rigorous background checks. There has to be some kind of a check system. We have to remember that the 2nd amendment is from a time when people were using flintlocks for God's sake. Otherwise you could argue that I as a citizen have the right to own ballistic missiles. I'm a gun owner. I own an AR15, a Deagle and an original WW2 Luger. I ho shooting about once a month.
The amount of psychos having access to guns in this country is alarming.

CuriousFloyd · 2015-08-27T03:49:49+00:00

What has this got to do with the red pill?

Does anyone actually have an answer? Owning a gun... understanding the real nature of women...

Nope. Don't see the connection.

GrandmasterHurricane · 2015-08-26T23:15:16+00:00

Hmmm... Many people live their lives without guns and do just fine. If you own a gun just because you can own a gun then you're no better than the obese lady blaming Mc Donalds for her health.

A gun isn't a toy. It's an instrument with only one purpose, to incapacitate. You can't build anything with a gun. The sole purpose of that instrument is to destroy, in one way or another. Owning a gun should be a purposeful decision. If you hunt/live in a hot neighborhood/work really late/walk home at night, then get one if it puts you more at ease. Just remember that owning a gun puts you in a whole other league as a citizen.

Be very mindful.

hypno_disc · 2015-08-27T11:28:36+00:00

This has absolutely nothing to do with The Red Pill, If you wanna have a gun control debate then post this shit over at r/politics

eterate · 2015-08-27T03:34:35+00:00

Guns are a liability magnet. Get a gun to defend yourself in a home invasion and live in a dense enough neighborhood? You might kill your next door neighbor. They will know it's your gun because your ammo will probably not match your assaulters, and even if it does, the rifling pattern will give away who's gun it was.

Robbers who live after invading your home will sue you.

Fuck up in some storage law while transporting your gun to the range, and get pulled over? That might be jail time for you!

Pull out a gun while getting mugged, you just escalated the situation and your probability of getting killed.

As they say in self defense: “What’s the best defense? Don’t be there.” Avoid areas that you feel like a gun would be a good idea in the first place.

moosevice_dot_com · 2015-08-26T21:32:14+00:00

I don't own a gun because I don't want to kill myself.

[deleted] · 2015-08-26T21:07:32+00:00

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sirmadam · 2015-08-26T21:29:00+00:00

See I've never seen the "I'll protect my family if someone enters my home illegally" defense about guns. It's mostly bullshit, basically. The only defence for owning a gun is "Fuck off, I like guns." Yes, that is a quote from Mr Jim Jefferies, but he's right and we all know it.

2015redditor · 2015-08-27T14:02:24+00:00

What does this post have to do with " Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." ?

Title	Guns: public service announcement [US]
Author	Epicureanist
Upvotes	69
Comments	272
Date	August 26, 2015 9:00 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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