I started working on not being a nice guy at the age of 24, and started seeing results. 1.5 years later, I am starting to realize that I am consciously exploiting women for what I want. I am still not happy.

RedPope · 2015-03-17T05:55:08+00:00

I despise the fact that I am not perceived as a sexual being

If you are having sex, clearly you were perceived as a sexual being.

Your true gripe is that you're not a sex symbol. You're unrecognized when walking down the street. Just another face in the crowd.

Most of us are. Not just 80%, probably more like 99%. You have to be pretty abnormal to stand out while just standing around.

There's a reason musicians and celebs have an entourage. Without the stage and spotlight, most are unrecognizable. You'd dismiss most as merely above-average. With your mind on your own errands and issues, you'd walk blindly past them.

Those few genetic lottery winners who transcend and get universal sex symbol recognition usually find it exhausting. Men and women. You'll see them deliberately dressing in dumpy clothes just to get a sandwich without being harassed.

I'd advise you to make peace with it. Sounds like you're at/near a happy medium. Couple situational environments where you get the recognition you crave. Able to turn it on or off when you desire.

makethemwant · 2015-03-17T05:12:02+00:00

Thank you for sharing. This is an important view that I think needs to be heard.

Maximizing happiness is the stated goal, and many here confuse that with having sex on tap whenever you want.

However, as you've suggested, it doesn't feel good to feel emotionally manipulative.

they want my social value, not me.

Here's a rude awakening: People only ever want you for the value you can give them. No exceptions.

Here's the silver lining: since you're so good at figuring out what people want, you can learn to become a man who naturally and happily does things which provides value to others - the kind of value which produces the behavior you want.

To "become a different man", you need to use your frustration energy to make real changes in your habitual actions. You need to change who you are - that collection of habits which people use to identify you.

AriMerman · 2015-03-17T05:56:11+00:00

The pinnacle of masculinity is to have what you wish at your command. At your beck and call. There isn't more. When you understand that women don't transcend the consciousness of manipulation/manipulate then you can fully grieve, and stop rationalizing why you creating what is good for everyone is somehow not the best there is.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-03-17T05:58:12+00:00

You do realize that attractive women are in a similar boat; they're not wanted for themselves, but for their looks, and all that comes with that.

Let's be real here. Nobody ever likes anyone purely for themselves. What does that even mean anyway? When every aspect of a personality is a constructed contrivance, how can anyone be liked for some sort of mystical, pure essence? It is all purely illusion. We tend to loathe the people who don't do a sufficient job of fooliing us, and like those that make us forget these inconvenient facts.

You're basically looking for a woman who knows nothing about your status and abilities to fall for your looks. All I can say is that you'll have greater odds if you put more work into your appearance. But they won't be any close to liking you for you than the others, although, in my experience it feels better to be liked for being a sexual being. However, if you ever cease to be a sexual being to them, then they'll stop liking you.

makethemwant · 2015-03-17T09:54:52+00:00

I despise the fact that I am not perceived as a sexual being

Sorry to double-post but after seeing all the great feedback you're getting, this also came to mind:

Lift. Work out. Get big muscles. This will naturally lead to better posture and swag in your walk. Develop those independently anyway. Wear nicer clothes. Train your body movements, your eye movements, your speech qualities to emit Alpha presence. This is what I call improving "how you move in the world".

This way you won't have to worry about girls falling for you for your social proof, or your ability to get in their heads and manipulate their emotions. I feel like your game up to this point has been tight, but it has been cerebral, and what you want is to get a more visceral reaction from women. Is that right?

If you focus on training yourself on "how you move in the world", women will get moist even looking at you from a distance, just watching the way you move your hands when you speak, the way you turn your head when you laugh, the way they smile. And they won't be able to understand what it is about this short, bald, 6.5 face man that is driving them so wild. They'll just remark to their girlfriends "there's something about him. You know?"

HjorturHades · 2015-03-17T07:04:21+00:00

You're never going to be a male model. Women will only be attracted to you for reasons of personality, status, or money.

Tough luck. Accept reality. Mourn the loss of your Disney fantasy--you'll never be a classically handsome Disney Prince. But you can find other things in life that make life worth living. You already have, but your fantasies prevent you from just enjoying them.

Diarrhoea_Shower · 2015-03-17T12:53:16+00:00

Perhaps off topic, but mind sharing what those mind games are how you play with people's emotions?

MrHoman · 2015-03-17T07:41:23+00:00

A man is the sum of his actions. You will never, on the exceptions that you have 10/10 looks or 10/10 game, be accepted purely on the basis of your 'nice and friendly' personality. You are a male, in the eyes of society this makes you valuable only by the input you can provide. You cannot provide more people to society like a woman can, and hence you must be valued for your economical contributions.

You can be angry about this, or you can accept that this is the state of things. Either exploit your knowledge, or take the MGTOW route and remove yourself from the system all together.

CoolRunner · 2015-03-17T05:38:44+00:00

I think the problem is your low self esteem. You feel like any form of attraction to you is strictly due to situational conditions. In your mind, the idea that a woman can be into you for being confident, assertive, and accomplished is to abstract to grasp. I think you need to work on your self image.

vandaalen · 2015-03-17T08:10:01+00:00

So what?

Who is this "me" you are refering to and who you want them to love? For other people it's the sum of everything that you externalize and everything that you represent to them. That includes status, looks and capabilities.

That's not your problem. Your problem is that you aren't fully unplugged yet. You are still lookong for unconditional love in this world and you are looking for it especially in women.

You will not find that. Nowhere. There is no unicorn waiting somewhere for you. Think about it for yourself. You are also not able to love unconditionally. You always love people for what you see in them and for how they make you feel or what they trigger in you. If you were able to, you would just take the next sad fattie with a father complex.

In order to become happy, you will need to become self-sufficient and no one can help you with that, but yourself. You are still much too much depending on external validation. While you will never be able to kill that completely, as we humans define ourselfs over it, you can surely tone it down to a certain point, where it doesn't affect you too much.

If you need somebody who loves you that urgently, go get yourself a dog. Seriously. That will help you with that issue very much.

Makati-Kills · 2015-03-17T14:01:53+00:00

you want women to be physically drooling over you?

Don't we all.

However, since you are not adonis/Brad Pitt - can't happen.

So what if they fuck you cause you are best at work, dancing, socializing.

You think Tom Cruise gives a rats ass 'why' Nicole Kidman rode his diminutive ass?

My girlfriend loves me cause I am perfect physical specimen. However, she will jump ship for a short, bald, rich, dancer with better income/confidence...

Hi Mere!

someguysomewhere321 · 2015-03-17T09:29:41+00:00

I despise the fact that I am not perceived as a sexual being

Work out more, learn boxing or other martial arts, eat clean without too many spices that could cause unpleasant body odor and don't wash your armpits too much - women and men will pick up on your pheromones.

If you're shorter than a woman you're much more likely to be not seen as a potential sexual partner though. You can circumvent that by going to countries with shorter people (Asia and some parts of South America).

You lucked out in the grand scheme of things though, as you could be broke, ugly and without any income that allows you to do more than keep yourself from starving in Africa. Never forget that most of the world will never have the options that you have.

grendalor · 2015-03-17T09:58:43+00:00

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amirrezapsp · 2015-03-17T05:26:41+00:00

They want my social value, not me.

Unfortunately, AWALT. If you look at the "Briffault's law" on the theory section, you can see the in-depth analysis of this aspect about a woman. Which makes sense. Stay strong brother. and it seems like you still believe there can be real love. There won't be. Try Monk mode. and then see how life turns out.

Revo_Luzione · 2015-03-17T05:54:08+00:00

I know that my attractiveness to them is situational, not physical.

This is game. 80%+ of male attractiveness is based on context. Learning to intentionally manage context is the essence of game.

Give yourself a pat on the back, spin a few more plates, recognize you're doing a good job, and keep moving forward. Find happiness within, and remember Dre's words.

Movonnow · 2015-03-17T09:28:50+00:00

I despise the fact that I am not perceived as a sexual being; that I have to game them and shit.

Dude, everyone plays the game. Even the hot male 10 with perfect look. Of course, he gets an advantage in the sense that girls may be approaching him but he can still screw it up if he doesn't have good game.

You, as an mildly attractive guy, you don't have the same advantages a great looking guy has : girls do not open you etc. In that regard, game is the main tool you have for fucking women. Don't hate it. Keep in mind that everybody plays the game. Even the perfect male model still has to play it to get laid. If he doesn't lay out at least average game, he is blown out, even if he is attractive. Yes, you may need more than average game but

everyone needs to game girls
game is your greatest weapon so embrace it and be thankful for it

musicvita25 · 2015-03-17T12:00:32+00:00

Been there, you'll realize it literally is a cycle of horseshit.

EAT SLEEP FUCK BITCHES REPEAT.

There are thousands of women who want to fuck you, love, you, be with you. Its not rocket science. Its a good time to be a man. A single man.

Its cycles for me, since I raised my SMV I've got more pussy then ever before. But I don't like ANY of them strongly enough to commit. My mind is so red pill in terms of LTR that even the smell of golddiggers, or a slutty past puts me straight off.

So then after a golden run, you cut things off, or they move on because you cant be bothered with them. You go through a bit of a drought, and suddenly youve got a few on the go. Until the cycle stops again.

EAT SLEEP FUCK BITCHES REPEAT.

Now, if you WERE nice guy, your life would go:

Meet girl. Throw everything at this girl. Either date her/chase her for over a span of couple months/year, get dumped or dump. Feel down for another couple weeks/months repeat. Until you meet another girl.

How do I know this? I was that guy.

Its a catch 22. If I knew how to find a unicorn and tell you put your emphasis there, I'd be a multimillionaire and share the idea with the rest of the world. But I dont

FerrusMan · 2015-03-17T12:44:25+00:00

I went through this phase myself. The dawning and understanding of just what I have unplugged myself into. That women truly are different creatures than men, and that women will never, ever be sexually attracted to a man because of who he is inside (aka just be yourself). It can be quite depressing and hopeless.

You have to accept the world for what it is, not how you would like it to be. Just as we men are hardwired to be sexually attracted to a woman in a bikini walking by, women are sexually attracted to men displaying alpha type qualities. It's just how we all are wired. In fact, a woman needs her man to show those qualities to feel complete and happy, it's what she needs from you. Do you understand? Once you finally accept AWALT, you can make the best of things, and it will get a lot better for you. You are complaining about the law of gravity, in a way.

Factushima · 2015-03-17T15:41:12+00:00

You are basing your entire self worth on approval by women, or course you aren't happy. You never will be.

Mysogyny · 2015-03-17T17:35:54+00:00

You're 99% alpha my friend.

You have one last hurdle to overcome. You know what it is, but I'll spell it out for you anyway.

Nobody gives a shit if you live or die. Your life is what you make of it. Your success is yours and yours alone. Trust me when I say this, and take it the right way. Don't be a bitch. You're not a woman, and you'll never get the pussy pass.

So you're not going to get the same recognition as a "Wow! 6'4" 180lbs-of-muscle billionaire". But that's apex fallacy.

From your tone it sounds like you might just have depression. I'm not a doctor, and I'm not going to diagnose the problem or prescribe a treatment.

But you're 99% of the way there.

Mairon_of_Aule · 2015-03-17T19:52:11+00:00

You shouldn't be, because women will never satisfy that innate male loneliness.

That's right, they will NEVER satisfy you fully. Before sex you may feel like it would, but post-cum clarity arrives and you're questioning why the fuck you jumped through hoops to get this girl.

knifewhip · 2015-03-17T13:12:51+00:00

Happiness is for children and submissive animals

Never_relax · 2015-03-17T11:11:15+00:00

I don't have a car, don't rake in cash and dress like a hobo in a non hipster kind of way.

Nobody likes me for anything but me because they really have no other choice. My personality is essentially all the value I have.

You mightn't want to live that way though OP, because its still depressing to know that people are selfish and greedy.

EGOtyst · 2015-03-17T14:08:03+00:00

At some point you have to understand that, beyond a certain point (working out, etc) there isn't much you can do about physical attraction and some parts of your appearance. You seem hung up on it.

From your own words, you are maximizing other parts of your image, and doing well.

I think what you really need to do is reevaluate your goals. What do you want from women? Life? Etc.

If a goal is to be 6'3 with a head of hair and Fabio-Esque swooning from women... Then you need to re evaluate.

RickJamesBond · 2015-03-17T15:20:58+00:00

Unfortunately, most women will never be attracted to you in the way you want them to. I'm in a similar position. We have to work with what we've got I suppose.

LaV-Man · 2015-03-17T18:11:04+00:00

Just my 2 cents: It seems like what you're saying is you want women to be attracked to you for your looks. Sorry, not going to happen anymore than it does now.

I am in nearly the same boat as you, I don't win beauty contests. But I have never had a problem with women once I get a chance (which I make [or made I'm married now]). I can't count how many women who've told me "I wasn't even attracked to you at first". Yeah we know what that means.

Here's the deal: So you're not the best looking guy, that's not your thing. You have other 'things', things you've earned, worked for, fought for, they should not be so easily dismissed. Arguably, those things are worth more than looks in almost every way.

BlackHeart89 · 2015-03-17T19:10:26+00:00

So you want a woman that actually likes YOU? Not just a woman that likes you because of your money or status or "in the moment".

You want a woman that finds you attractive, shares similar interests, and will like you even if you were just the average guy, right?

Well... good luck with that shit. Not saying it won't happen. It might if you start talking to more women. But looking in the job isn't the best idea.

The women I like the most are the ones I get along with best without having to try. I hate the mind games too. I decided to just go with the flow and focus on me. Find me about 2 plates and cruise until I can find a chick thats LTR material for "me". But a last, that probably won't last long...

zephyrprime · 2015-03-18T15:08:48+00:00

Look, you will never be perceived as an innately sexual being. That's just how it is for ALL MEN. Don't you get it yet? The sexual element for a man IS the social status and the gaming. Looks are a distant third place.. There is no sexuality to a man other than these things. Be honest and take a look at yourself. Do you feel like a 60 year old woman is a sexual being? Do you feel that a fattie is a sexual being? No. A woman's looks are her sexuality - not other elements of her. Your real problem is that you're just feeling inadequate still and are too dumb to realize that you have already won the game. You're just feeling teenage insecurities (even though you are 24) over not being popular and etc.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-17T13:39:25+00:00

"I later realized that I managed to fuck her because I controlled her emotions the same way I had to do with my mom. I literally just call her whenever I want to have sex. She expressed how humiliated she felt about this, and I just proceeded to play with her again."

This sounds like passive aggressive behavior.

"You" are initiating the humiliation. This isn't right.

Ideally the women uses a "rational Machiavellian Charm" to seek to control you because she sees you as the Prize and you react with Amused Mastery to her attempts at manipulation.

When you play this passive aggressive Game and undermine her at every turn it gives her Drama, but it doesn't make her feel better afterwards.

The secret is to let her attempt Charm, but you "catch" her moves and she then willingly subordinates to you as Co-captain.

Passive aggressive leadership is of low quality.

It might work at your job, but you succeed because everyone around you is too depressed to oppose you. Unless I'm mistaken your leadership style is "rule by inducing despair".

Observe your employees... are they Charming towards you and energetic?

Or are they just going through the motions to get a paycheck and used to being treated badly all the time?

IkilledJarJar · 2015-03-17T06:16:35+00:00

I despise the fact that I am not perceived as a sexual being; that I have to game them and shit.

Wrong. You are always being perceived as a sexual being, but when you turn on your game, your SMV goes higher.

Also, if you hate manipulating others you have to weigh-in on which is more important. The value of the goal achieved through manipulation vs. the act of manipulating others for personal gain. If you feel manipulation is unethical (according to your own personal ethics) then don't.

Day_man2020 · 2015-03-17T08:36:18+00:00

Women are different creatures, you may be searching for something that doesn't exist. This is TRP not feelz before realz land. Try meditating, also getting better at sex will make a difference, I recommend reading the sex God method. As a man who's had a few relationships including cohabitation I can tell you it's way overrated being a bachelor is great. I'm getting to a point in my sex life I honestly thought was beyond me... It's pretty sweet, I guess if getting chicks isn't a problem maybe take bedroom prowess as a hobby and learn how to really make chicks go crazy, you won't feel like you're manipulating chicks if they are just addicted to your sex.

leodoestheopposite · 2015-03-17T10:20:52+00:00

I leave my house to go to a 9:30 meeting. Get into the car and I realize that I need gas.

Drive to the gas station, I give the attendant my credit card and "Fill up, regular please".

A few minutes later I am on my marry way to my meeting.

I had to drive an extra 30 seconds from the closest gas station to my house, but I pay 30 cents less per gallons, it's Full serve, they wash my windows, and I get free coffee.

Should I tell myself that:

"I do not feel guilty about exploiting this gas station for cheap gas, full serve, glass cleaning and free coffee; but hate that I cannot get cheap gas etc without having to drive extra 30 seconds. I despise the fact that I am not perceived a worthy enough customer by the other gas stations; and that I have to game the system by finding a station that is so happy about my business that they willingly and happily give me what is that I want, more than other gas stations"

"I am not happy with my luck with gas stations".

Should I talk this way?

If I did you'd think I am crazy.

First of all lose the word "luck" within the context of "* luck with women"* this is not Vegas, it's not a question of random luck, but it's a question of applying the knowledge that you have, in order to provide those women what they want. The alternative of you not applying the knowledge that you have would result of these women having to settle for someone less desirable than you or resort to masturbation. You are doing them a favor and a big one.

You are exploiting them as much as they are exploiting you, therefore it's a fair exchange, enjoy it, enjoy your life, enjoy your women.

alexinikita · 2015-03-17T13:53:58+00:00

you were programmed to strive for these goals by your environment. And you achieved them. And now you are saying " now what?"

The answer is figure it out. You never needed these goals in the first place. Now that you are disillusioned, you can work on being happy. What would you want to do if you didn't feel the need to want to bang women

circlhat · 2015-03-17T15:59:31+00:00

I do not feel guilty about exploiting this or that girl for sex, but hate that I cannot get laid without those mental games.

Let go of those blue pill beliefs fast, they are not "games", every animal has mating rituals for a reason. Your ability to preform the ritual marks you as a great mate. Its very impersonal , and there is no spiritual meaning to sex, or life for that matter.

Nothing else exist, Its a male fantasy made by Disney, I met a lot of women who I thought I didn't have to play "games" with, I lost then within days, A 3 month relationship gone in 2 days.

IronMentat · 2015-03-17T16:08:22+00:00

The observation that women get attracted to how you present yourself and your behavior and not based on your inner thinking, also applies to people in general. Not until we can merge minds with one another, we would not be able to truly convey our inner selves to anyone.

It was nicely put by Charles Dickens in A Tale of Two Cities: "A wonderful fact to reflect upon, that every human creature is constituted to be that profound secret and mystery to every other. A solemn consideration, when I enter a great city by night, that every one of those darkly clustered houses encloses its own secret; that every room in every one of them encloses its own secret; that every beating heart in the hundreds of thousands of breasts there, is, in some of its imaginings, a secret to the heart nearest it! Something of the awfulness, even of Death itself, is referable to this. No more can I turn the leaves of this dear book that I loved, and vainly hope in time to read it all."

As for what you can convey, I believe that to other people, we are what we convey, and if you change your behavior and improve, you are that behavior and you own it, and you don't need to feel bad about it.

tsunaka · 2015-03-17T20:01:35+00:00

Now that you're displaying a high SMV to women around you, the greatest obstacle is your own self acceptance. Take a guy like Justin Bieber, women have wanted him to the point of crazy since he was just a tween, but yet still the majority of people are haters to him. I'm not saying be like beiber, I'm saying that no matter how great you are you will not win every battle. You say women don't lust after you the way you want because it's not happening when you want it. You sound like you need their validation to accept yourself as a good looking dude. Stop that, no matter how hot a bitch you lay you will never get it. Break that and tell yourself you're a 10/10 when you look in the mirror. No one will judge you for thinking you're too good looking, and you'll never really know what other people think when they see you

liveyourselfhappy · 2015-03-17T20:49:49+00:00

Read NO MORE MR NICE GUY by Robert Glover. It's a free downloadable PDF. It talks about doing things for yourself and not what/how other people perceive you. There are a lot of great chapters about self development and growth. However I don't agree with some of the LTR advice, it is mostly a good read.

On another point, people come to the red pill for many reasons. A main one is to be better woman and have control over their interactions with them. If this is truly not one of your goals then achieving it will leave you feeling unfulfilled. TRP is about self development "YOUR OWN SELF DEVELOPMENT", whatever that may be. Your the only one who can figure out what you need

HeadingRed · 2015-03-17T21:07:09+00:00

Stop being all pissy that you had to do something to get women. You were not born rich or hansome- get over it. Grin like an idiot over the fact that you woke your ass up and did something.

There's a guy with movie star looks, family money and naturally smooth? Yeah his ass was born lucky and he probably never thinks about it. How about how many guys who are in your old situation and will never get out?

Good for you for doing something. Don't get to made about needing to learn some new skills and take care of yourself.

zpatriarchy · 2015-03-17T21:20:47+00:00

stop watching stupid hollywood movies, you are thinking like your old self. you think some girl is going to like that you read Savage Dragon comics & that you collect Marvel Select toys or whatever & like you for you? grow up. that's not how the world works.

you are not exploiting or controlling or manipulating women, they make their own decisions, their own choices. you are not some puppetmaster. don't pretend that they are not responsible for their actions. you sound like a white knight.

WeAreAnimal · 2015-03-17T21:57:35+00:00

If happyness is what u seek. Then be happy.

_Dog- · 2015-03-18T12:15:47+00:00

There is a difference between being nice and being good. One can be a good guy, without being nice. It doesnt sound like you think you're either at the moment, and your insecurities are making you miss the good you do have.

Have you ever considered they are seeing you as a sexual being?

(because I dance better than the other men, I communicate physically with them better than anybody else, I tell them what to do, etc.). Some of them will literally follow me after class and try to talk to me.

But you think so little of yourself that...

I ~~know~~ think that my attractiveness to them is situational, not physical. Not satisfied.

and what do you even mean by this?

Cus if their following you around after being so physical than this is bs

but hate that I cannot get laid without those mental games.

Youbetripping · 2015-03-18T12:44:55+00:00

You say they want your social value and they want you only for traits and skills that you have. That is the same as every other male. Being good looking is just another trait. Women never want you for YOU. They want you for what you can offer them.

Limekill · 2015-03-18T15:22:50+00:00

they want my social value, not me.

This is women. They will never, ever choose you. Even a famous RP'er who is in a marriage says this about his wife.

Also shave head and work out.

Doomsday_ · 2015-03-18T17:28:49+00:00

Your problem is you want women to want you based on who you are authentically, your "self" that is to say.

But the issue is that one can never get at the inner self. Everything people believe and do in this world is based on appearances. And, as you have noted with your examples of work and dance class, people appear differently based on the situations in which we observe them and based on the behaviours they display. You need to accept the harsh truth that everything is based on appearances.

screamingATtrees · 2015-03-19T19:38:03+00:00

Dance classes....what calibre of women attend those?

SoldierGenerale · 2015-03-17T20:38:42+00:00

You want girls to like you for you so you don't have to put in the hard work of actually gaming them.

Also, you're at a lower paradigm of game. You're still gaming them when you should be gaming yourself

When I get girls it's solely based on my masculine energy and my care-free fun vibe. I make sure I'm having a fucking blast and if you combine that with assertiveness girls jump on me.

I'm too busy having fun and being happy too worry about 'gaming' or manipulating them.

Relax, getting women is just a game so just enjoy playing it.

redditor_chowder · 2015-03-17T23:32:26+00:00

OP what is your body weight percentage? (don't have to share just think about it) Check out GoodLookingLosers website article on attractiveness correlating to body fat percentage. It's interesting and I've been messing around with it and noticing some results, facial features more defined, basically getting more looks smiles, dates are easier to close, get flirted with more. After dropping about a pound of body fat and replacing it with muscle. Lift weights like everyone says, but experiment with cutting and see how low you can get your body fat as an experience.

netgrey · 2015-03-17T23:45:51+00:00

People don't like you for your special snowflake insides. They like you for what value you can provide. If you are high value you get the girl.

As long as you are doing things like the dance class for you then great. If you're doing it only to get the girl you will feel fake and used. This is really what people mean when they say be yourself.

I realized I still had this butthurt quality when I was upset when birds only came to my yard when I had a full bird feeder. Well no shit, an empty bird feeder has no value, the birds are trying to survive not lay around so I can watch them.

Wolfengristl · 2015-03-17T15:07:49+00:00

I'm 6'4 and 210 pounds and my physical goal is Captain America/Superman/Thor from the movies. I'm well on my way, and women look at me and are attracted to me, but my game isn't a quarter as tight as yours.

The grass is always greener, but you can't change your body in the ways that you want. You can get bigger and stronger. You can dress well and have an attractive lifestyle, but you won't crank out another foot in height or change your face's bone structure and you need to accept that.

SomebodyHad2Ask · 2015-03-17T05:33:50+00:00

You mentioned that you've never been in a relationship. It may be time to give this a try. How can a girl become attracted to who you really are if you do not give her a chance to meet that person?

hamstercide · 2015-03-17T10:40:50+00:00

I got to learn how to regulate people's emotions and play them like the violi I met a random girl and one thing led to another and she became a fuck buddy. I later realized that I managed to fuck her because I controlled her emotions the same way I had to do with my mom. I literally just call her whenever I want to have sex. She expressed how humiliated she felt about this, and I just proceeded to play with her again.

Can you tell me how you do this? What do you say to them?

hb8only · 2015-03-17T07:22:59+00:00

ou.. this hit home hard.. it is all my case - I fckd a pretty girl (hb8) but I used all this pua bullshits like push pull slow speaking changing bars all that but you know what? fck it! What I want is a pure attraction.. I wanna be that guy who is quite all the fcking evening and sexi girl still eyefucking him and want him. I am looking for eye staring from girl but not because I am funny or my appartment or my sportcar but because of my look. yeah.. need to lift and dress good. you just cant fck with the life with a shortcut...

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