Why do I bother trying with these feminists

Vodkas21 · 2014-02-27T10:11:10+00:00

Women are solipsistic, they think because they find a man who has university education and a career attractive that must mean that men must find a women with a PHD attractive.

Also the word misogynistic has been so overused its meaning has been butchered, apparently disagreeing with a women is misogynistic. The word means nothing now, it's just standard procedure with feminists.

redpillbanana · 2014-02-27T10:32:00+00:00

Slightly misogynistic...

I was waiting for this weapon to come out. They literally can't debate without resorting to ad hominem.

I like the posting rules in RedPillWomen. It's a bit draconian but feminists have proven that strict enforceable anti-hamster rules are needed. "Um..." and "Wow, just...wow" are huge pet-peeves of mine and I'm happy to see rules against using outrage tactics.

Feminist/Troll Shaming language

Um...

Wow, just...wow

misogyny

equality

That's sexist

The word "Cult" or "cultish"

Abuse

I hear what you're saying but [insert feminist jibber-jabber]

"Feminism really isn't that bad...." or "I don't think you actually understand what feminism is actually about..."

Aerobus · 2014-02-27T08:20:57+00:00

It's called ASK MEN. So i give an answer. I'm met with feminist backlash. I respond. Other men respond affirming my position. The feminist doesn't fucking get it.

It. just. pisses. me. off.

Hormander · 2014-02-27T08:43:20+00:00

Don't argue with feminists. Their hamsters spin so fast that if you put them in a Delorean you could instantaneously travel back to 1885.

phomaniac · 2014-02-27T08:40:27+00:00

People seriously think that attractiveness isn't a factor? It is the main factor, for both sexs. These women arguing with you have never heard of women doing the exact same thing? "only attracted to guys 6 foot or taller"? Come on... Hypocrisy. Gotta love it.

C_D_O · 2014-02-27T14:12:42+00:00

Don't bother.

You are literally arguing with religious fanatics.

Still i find it amusing to see hypocrisy in action, particularly from feminists and other extreme left groups, which on one hand will tell you attraction isnt a choice whenever it comes to their handpicked "safe people" groups (LGBT for the point of this argument, and to be fair, attraction really isnt a choice) but when it comes to straight men, you're a objectifying, sexist, misogynistic pig for saying you're attracted to pretty women.

So which is it, attraction IS a choice for all of humans or isnt it?

Oh wait right, straight white male, I'm not human i'm part of the oppressor species.

SanitariumJosh · 2014-02-27T09:43:20+00:00

As frustrating a read as that was you did a good job of articulating your point without coming off at patronising or condescending. Anyone who takes the time to read the thread should see that.

angorbal · 2014-02-27T14:06:36+00:00

Sorry, but I don't find your PhD, your career , and your feminist agenda attractive.

ahem

your PhD, your career

Really? Really???

This is absolutely fascinating. That women genuinely seems to be surprised that men don't find those things attractive.

sting129 · 2014-02-27T13:38:10+00:00

I'm going to set the over/under on her weight at 140.

[deleted] · 2014-02-27T09:29:22+00:00

I've actually come to peace with other peoples' stupidity. I even like it now. Makes it much easier to use them for whatever you want from them really.

rife_omeqa · 2014-02-27T12:34:04+00:00

"I don't want a woman to be smart and invested in something. They just have to look good. The way I want. Because for me."

Well... Yea.

It takes some powerful stupid for women to somehow delude themselves into thinking that they can control what men find attractive. The nerve these feminists have is almost impressive. They actually believe that they can change the laws of nature just because doing so would mean they could have their cake and eat it too. They want to choose the standards by which they're judged and proclaim with righteous indignation that any standards they don't like are oppressive and misogynistic.

The irony is that if these feminists spend more time and effort trying to avoid being called for what they are then they would spend by becoming more attractive and bettering themselves. I suppose it's still easier for hamplanets sit behind a keyboard and label everything they don't like as misogynistic than it is for them to hit the gym.

The double standard is glaring these women in the face but they don't see it. Reality is too much for them to handle.

When told by society that you're unattractive or undesirable (or atleast less desirable than you'd like to be); men and women deal with it in different ways. Men come to TRP to be metaphorically told "you thought the attractive bar was here? No, it's up there. Now you know where it is you surpass that shit. You make that bar your bitch. You hit the gym, you learn, you practice, you improve."
Women (generally) instead complain that there is a bar. They thought they set the bar. They want the bar to be whatever is easy for them. How dare anyone tell a women where the bar is. What a misogynistic, objectifying shitlord.

[deleted] · 2014-02-27T15:14:32+00:00

i feel bad for people like that. they want to replace reality with the ideal in their mind. they want to dictate what other people do and think in order to make their own lives a paradise of ease. they have no personal accountability and have a serious sense of entitlement. they live is state of perpetual victimhood because the imagined reality promised by feminism still hasn't come true. men still retain their free will and self-respect. the ideal of female beauty is still there and will never go away. they want what men can give without having to earn to it, and they will always fail and lash out.

the long term effects of modern feminism's impossible promises are quite tragic when you think about it. that girl is going to go through her life constantly angry at men for not being what she wants them to be, and she's unknowingly pushing away good men with that attitude. there are going to be a lot of single, old, childless, sad women once these 3rd wavers grow up. there are going to be a lot of children who grow up in poverty who grow up to resent their single mom because she didn't do what she had to to secure a good father and make a good home for her kids.

pcadrian · 2014-02-27T15:40:18+00:00

I often openly post RP advice on AskMen because I want to help, and every time there is someone replying and trying to argue. I learned that no matter how hard I try to convince them, it never works, so what I do now is state my advice, then limit my responses to OP who I'm actually trying to help. Sometimes if I'm feeling extra playful I'll start ripping on the naysayers, but never come from a defensive angle. If they don't agree with me, it's their LOSS.

[deleted] · 2014-02-27T13:54:43+00:00

Apparently, men are not allowed to have preferences when it comes to women. The fact, that women will not pick someone who's fat, bald, short etc. is completely okay, but when a man dares to say that he cares about a woman's looks, it's misogyny. Wow. Feminist arrogance has reached a new level.

z_omg · 2014-02-27T10:15:07+00:00

damn hamsters. they have no qualms at all in being the loudest in the room sharing their views on what they consider attractive in a guy but whenever a guy shares his views on what he finds attractive, they cry "misogynist". I'm convinced they don't know what they're talking about.

ChangingThings · 2014-02-27T10:01:04+00:00

Heh gotta love the hamster. You said something she is not so you must be a sexist and a misogynist. She is basically trying to shame you into liking her.

imgoingstag · 2014-02-27T11:09:44+00:00

What I got from this thread: Life_of_roses is bitter she's not getting the Disney-approved life full of roses.

Nerf_Circus · 2014-02-27T11:23:00+00:00

I'm reading 48 laws of power and it would have you(according to law #3) agree with /ignore feminists and behind the scenes dismantle what they work for. For instance, post your indifference to their opinions. But if you see someone starting to believe the ship they spew talk to them via PM

trudatness · 2014-02-27T16:44:58+00:00

I'll throw this out there.

I'm an educated man. I'm not so sure I would be happy being in a relationship with a girl that works at 7-11 or sprays perfume at the mall.

It's nice being able to talk about the passions in my life with a woman who understands at least the basic tenets of what I'm talking about.

If I were single and I met a woman who was objectively attractive, but was a dumbass loser - I'm not so sure I would be all about it.

Having said all that, I still want to fuck, get my dick sucked and bust nuts as if it were coming out of an unattended garden hose.

randomdude600 · 2014-02-27T19:19:05+00:00

Men expressing their preferences freely = Oppressive misogyny

Women expressing their preferences freely = Empowered Feminism

This is feminism's idea of "equality"

JP_Whoregan · 2014-02-27T14:58:07+00:00

It's called a hamster for a reason, my man.

mordanus · 2014-02-27T16:16:38+00:00

That was a weird ass read man. How can feminists justify their desire to control what you find attractive?

Aerobus · 2014-02-27T16:56:49+00:00

I don't get one thing, why exactly are feminists upset that some subset of men, lets say "redpillers" which are described by them as a misogynistic pigs have some preferences for women? Why is it so important for them to convince (or shame) us to find them or others like them attractive? In the end we are what they hate, why should they lose their time on us? Can this be that secretly they hope for a man who don't give a fuck about feminist agenda, hamstering and academic education ... ?

attaxx · 2014-02-27T12:12:44+00:00

It's funny because him-her-it-self fiddles with the conversation trying to make a point yet doesn't find a way to justify the "I'm have to be offended" attitude.

Captain_Self_Promotr · 2014-02-27T15:45:38+00:00

Your writing style has too much prose and not enough get to the point iveness.

Also, never tell a feminist or blue piller "You have some solid analysis on the issue" because it just feeds that hamster.

That person missed the point and should be called out on it. If a woman holds her phd and career in higher regard than her appearance than she is misguided and will unfortunately bear the consequences of her decision. Only if her career puts her in close contact with rich betas is it a good trade off - but those betas would will prefer a hotter woman.

Just reiterate that academic achievement holds the same sexual market value as 1% of a good bust line, bone structure and dress. Hammer hammer hammer.

jacobman · 2014-02-27T15:55:08+00:00

As a side note, while career success may be largely irrelevant to most men, that doesn't mean that it's unimportant to getting a good guy. Career success eliminates the need for a provider, which allows a woman to not be pressured to settle only for monetary reasons. It gives women more bargaining power against lower smv mates even though it does nothing for her attraction.

RPtooLate · 2014-02-27T16:48:46+00:00

You can't preach to hamsters. However, maybe your fellow men and redpill-leaning women could be provoked by it. It was refreshing to me to have the conscious realization that women that built their education and careers up weren't doing much to increase their attractiveness to men. I feel like some men probably think their woman should have some level of education for various reasons(the social status and networking experience, to help prevent low-level gold-digging, shows she comes from a family of resources...)

Actually, if a man himself has a higher education there is an interesting reason for him to choose a woman who has a somewhat less education. Her hypergamy will mostly prevent her from cheating on her man with a man with lesser education, at least beyond simple alpha fucks. This reduces the pool of beta bucks branches that she could possibly swing to. This could reduce the likelihood of straight-up divorce(although I just can't thought experiment how this affects the chances of purely sexual affairs with lesser-educated men at this point).

captshady · 2014-02-27T18:18:12+00:00

Man, that was the funniest fucking thing I've read in awhile. I wish I knew how old she was, cause ... dayum.

You argued your point quite well, and is could only be taken in a negative way by women you wouldn't find attractive in the first place.

"I'm sorry, I don't find your crew cut, camo'd shirt, combat boots and lack of make-up in any way attractive." / "BUT I HAVE A PhD in Women's Studies!!! Love me!!" LMAO

NikolaTeslaMGTOW · 2014-02-27T22:04:08+00:00

You know whats sexist? Telling men that they find the wrong things attractive.

He likes good looking women. AND ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

Hahahahaha, Oh logic how I love thee.

[deleted] · 2014-02-27T14:42:33+00:00

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lupilipid · 2014-02-27T10:56:45+00:00

Did the original thread get deleted? I can't seem to find it on the sub.

I totally agree with you but want to read the other comments as well

[deleted] · 2014-02-27T17:09:19+00:00

Don't argue with people who have no intellectual honesty. It is as futile as commanding the clouds to stop raining.

GM3d6 · 2014-02-27T20:08:08+00:00

I died a little on the inside reading this. Poor guy.

GayLubeOil · 2014-02-27T22:41:02+00:00

The feminist doesn't want a debate. Shes so high in her ivory tower that any kind of disagreement that you have with her is because, your are a mysoginist-pig rapist. She's not going to debate your points. She is going to label your thought as evil thoughts.

Feminists don't debate, they label. Which brings me to my next point women are terrible at intellectual debate.

redpillbanana · 2014-02-28T02:08:44+00:00

Looks like Life_of_roses deleted all her comments.

gopher88 · 2014-02-28T03:25:07+00:00

Using bold letters doesn't make your opinion better

My sides.

Hrel · 2014-02-27T17:23:45+00:00

At least a few other people defended you.

It seemed like it was just that one person who insisted on calling everything you did and said misogynistic.

lovelustus · 2014-02-27T17:39:53+00:00

Ask that stupid bitch why she isn't in r/askwomen yelling at girls about hypergamy. It's totally out of line to "objectify" a women's body but it's a social normality to objectify men's bank accounts? The biological imperative is to procreate for men so obviously men concentrate on certain genetic markers, women want a provider and a protector so they really won't understand the importance of aesthetics and sex to men.

updock · 2014-02-27T12:49:33+00:00

Why do you?

HahahahaWaitWhat · 2014-02-27T15:15:08+00:00

That's a good question, why do you?

wakingslowdiver · 2014-02-27T15:41:31+00:00

Don't argue with feminists.

Just be a troll and agree with them.

It's more entertaining.

walkngonawire · 2014-02-27T16:53:16+00:00

Lol. Its like they're not taking account this thing called "SEXUAL orientation." SEX SEX SEX. Stop trying to repress men.

nivek7913 · 2014-02-27T17:03:50+00:00

You can't, and I mean CAN NOT, have reasonable discourse with hardliners. And not just feminists, but politics, religion, hell even some people here. They become so entrenched and myopic that they can't see the other side.

Either laugh, or just walk away.

TheStoneyVibes · 2014-02-27T17:22:02+00:00

Dude. That was so good. It really gave me the warm fuzzies kudos for approaching that and executing beautifully

TytalusWarden · 2014-02-27T18:10:50+00:00

I looked through a few of the posts and noticed a disconnect between what you're saying and what most of the folks here in TRP say.

You say: "I prefer a woman who performs traditionally woman-oriented tasks, who might also have a career as a teacher or nurse."

TRP says: "A unicorn is a high value woman who is faithful and doesn't require financial support."

Obviously the definition of a unicorn varies by individual, but that leads me to ask: What is your definition of a unicorn? I could probably throw a guess out there, but it'd only be broad-type generalizations. What really speaks to you; what is your "10"?

HarveyMushman72 · 2014-02-27T23:48:12+00:00

Listen, and understand. That ~~terminator~~ feminist is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

LivingLifeRight · 2014-02-27T21:51:56+00:00

I'm not trying to hate, but don't these posts seem counterproductive to what TRP is?

I have seen a lot of these posts about some stupid feminist arguing, and it honestly reminds me of /r/atheist childish rebelling against religion with their 'le this' memes. We are supposed to be the men focused on bettering ourselves and ignoring the nonsense.

That means when you are not in an advantageous state, you get yourself in a better one. When people are being stupid, you ignore that and remain true to your mind.

Maybe I'm just being a hater, but I just don't understand why these posts are so popular despite their lack of value for the community besides a circle jerk.

And it screams circle jerk.

CouldntFindGudName · 2014-02-27T20:32:17+00:00

This is how it generally goes, if you don't like them you're misogynist. If you like them, you're such a nice guy.

It's all about muh feelings. I don't engage in any sort of dialogue with feminists, mainly because it wastes my time. It would be like banging your head against a wall. They won't listen, they won't try to understand, and they sure as hell don't care what you have to say.

When we are discussing, we listen to each others point and then counter it or suggest something else. When feminists discuss(argue) they are not listening, they are waiting for you to stop speaking and then they'll go on about their point without acknowledging yours.

To anyone in here I'd suggest not to argue with them, the moment you argue with them you are acknowledging them. I'd rather do something better with my time than argue with someone who makes no sense whatsoever.

Title	Why do I bother trying with these feminists
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Date	February 27, 2014 8:20 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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