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[–]IGOR4445 221 points222 points223 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
First stop calling yourself a loser is a good initial step. Second in all honesty losing your virginity won't all of them sudden make life different for you or change you in anyway unfortunately its hard to realize this until you do lose it. I would honestly focus on truly becoming the type of person you want to be and focus on your life goals. Trust me once you do that and stop focusing on losing your virginity/getting laid it will easily happen more than you think it will
[–]Pudle_Digginz 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The best advice given to me was to not even think about it. You're first time won't be special or change you like IGOR said. It will change your life in a way because now your first time is over with, you don't have to worry, and can go have all the sex you want. Getting on a bike wasn't amazing and so magical it just had to be at the right time and place. You get better each time and it becomes more enjoyable too. You're gonna eat shit the first few times you get on that bike, don't do that with sex though.
[–]Marcoscondit 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea especially if your not happy now you’ll probably just be unhappier after and keep trying to get more sex to feel good
[–]tukipenda 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree with this. Your worth as a person and your ability to do well with women are separate things. It's great that you get interest from girls. It takes time to develop the courage to flirt back. Start small and work on your anxiety over time. My experience with approach anxiety has been very similar to exposure therapy (like for fighting a phobia of snakes). Find the point where something makes you a tiny bit anxious and do it until you are less scared of it, then try something harder. There are lots of good threads on this sub that talk about how to deal with approach anxiety. Don't let your self-worth be defined by how you do with women, that's just a tiny piece of who you are.
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[–]TheRealKronorium 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you just regurgitated most of what he said after saying it’s wrong “from the first word to the last”
[–]Aldamis -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This
[–]RProgrammerMan 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Make it your goal to be friends with as many girls as possible. Do a hobby that forces you to interact with girls. I do salsa dancing and now all I do is talk to girls. Look at every interaction as training. Of the girls that are your friends figure out which one likes you the most and make her your girlfriend. Don’t push hard for a relationship, just hang out and have fun. Sooner or later they’ll pursue you.
[–]Lost-Childhood748 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This ✨
[–]DiegoConD 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Id really love to feel this comment as the truth
[–]Tactical_INTJ 81 points82 points83 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I once saw an old man wearing a T-shirt that said, "Big dick is back in the town."
You may wanna try that.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the greatest pics on the net
[–]iJuiiCe_x 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao
[–]Only_Commercial_774 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d start there too
[–]lefthandedaf 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Girls are actually checking you out, half the work is done for you. Just talk to them. Most guys would kill to get regularly checked out.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This OP. Another half of the work is done for you when the girl checking you out is eager and likes to talk. You can do the bare minimum of talking as long as you’re engaged with her.
[–]Infamous-Living-1725 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What if you don’t like attention and constantly receiving it?
[–]lefthandedaf 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you want to win at this game when you go out, you better get used to it.
[–]great_account 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Be ok with failing, rejection and accepting yourself as you are without judgement. The rest will build on that.
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[–]KinxTheTimeStripper 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I get rejected all the time and it's still discouraging
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[–]KinxTheTimeStripper 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
But that doesn't make rejection hurt any less bro
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[–]KinxTheTimeStripper 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad it does for you
[–]KinxTheTimeStripper 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't for me tho
How do you do that
[–]great_account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you gotta look inward. Examine your own attitude and figure out which parts of it don't serve you. Therapy, meditation, and experimentation are great tools to use.
[–]KinxTheTimeStripper -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Therapy and mediation. Thank you for some real tangible answers!
[–]great_account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bro it's a nebulous concept. It's not an easy thing to do. You gotta look inward and spend some time with your demons. I don't know what that looks like for you. The way to do this is not the same for everyone. I can tell you the tools, but you have to figure it out for yourself.
[–]KinxTheTimeStripper -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's a nebulous concept that you're expecting me to turn into actionable stuff by myself. Why does this sub love doing that so much?
If I knew how to battle my inner demons I'd be doing it already.
Plus that doesn't actually get us closer to the issue of flirting with people.
[–]great_account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why are you expecting anyone else to figure it out for you? Bro this journey is about you, not anyone else.
[–]KinxTheTimeStripper -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because this is supposed to be a helpful forum?
Am I not supposed to come into r/seduction to try to make it less nebulous?
Is "therapy" and "practice" really the best anyone can do?
[–]beercan007 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Stand in front of a mirror, look deep into your soul and
[–]TuckerTheCuckFucker 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Masturbate
[–]AndThenThereWasOne0 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
while slowly running your fingers through your hair. Then
[–]TuckerTheCuckFucker 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
…shove a can of beer up your ass
[–]notLOL 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Next?
[–]TuckerTheCuckFucker 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
…next to ur mother
[–]TheDom1992 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ahahahaahahaha
[–]Sherlock-Moans 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Take baby steps. Instead of going out with the goal of flirting, trying talking to them the same way you’d talk to any other human being. After you do this a couple of times and you build confidence, the rest will come to you. Also rejection is scary but if you let it hinder you, you’ll NEVER get anywhere with women or life in general. Getting rejected isn’t the end of the world so in the chance that you get rejected, you pick yourself up, learn from your experiences and go again! Go ‘em pal!
Also being a virgin doesn’t make you a loser. Just keep working on yourself!
[–]Marcoscondit 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup rejection is always worse in your head I got rejected recently and i actually felt good after because I stopped being afraid and tried Also I did get rejected but me and the girl are good friends and hangout regularly
[–]No_Fly_7360 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take baby steps by improving yourself. Self-improvement.
We have so much potential to become our best selves. There are soooo many things that we can do in our power to be a better man. start working out to become more muscular, start reading, therapy, fashion, face, martial arts. As he said, baby steps. 1 thing at a time. You will become confident. Also stop touching your dick and stop watching p*rn. Go 1-3 months without busting or touching yourself and tell me about it
[–]ShortStuffV2 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
After you do this a couple of times and you build confidence, the rest will come to you
Why do we have this sub if the "rest will just come to you?" Flirting and escalation are not the same as the social skills you use with guys.
[–]bubsjenk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you. One can be able to talk to women but without the escalation or flirting you are asking to be friend zoned.
[–]KaleWeekly 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You need to change this mindset. Next, realize you need to take girls off the pedestal. Realize that all girls are just normal human beings with flaws like everyone else. Start small, just talk to girls with zero intentions to date. Girls can sense your desperation. Just get comfortable being around girls. Don't read any PUA crap. It's important to just be yourself. Good luck to you man!
[–]bubsjenk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Next, realize you need to take girls off the pedestal. Realize that all girls are just normal human beings with flaws like everyone else
Yes truth. This for one stops simping and objectification of women. This also makes guys have standards. Like i see so many men who will fuck anyone. And because women know they can get consistent male atttention they dont have to be good people or self reflect or improve themselves to earn relationships. How is it that a girl know to beat her boyfriends and steal other womens boyfriends can still get dick and relationships. If i beat girls and was a serial cheater and monkey brancher i would not gef women period. The saying dont stick your dick in crazy is a saying for a reason. Men need to stop putting women on pedestals
Theres a saying. "When you put women on a pedestal there is only one direction for them to look at you. Down." Thats why simps and nice guys fail. They put her on a pedestal in which the woman sees himas a lesser.
Don't read any PUA crap. It's important to just be yourself. Good luck to you man!
Eh.... Now i wont defend pua but i wont knock it. It has some sound advice. Its bad because it can be very reductive and put lots of blame on women and men especiallt. "Oh your game was bad so thats why you fucked it up. Ur not buff or strong or rich enough thats why she rejected you". Pua makes men feel like they are never enough.
But it does teach men good social skills. IOI or indicator or interests. How to be socially calibrated. Etc etc. And there has not been much better dating advice other than "be yourself". Pua gives you exactly what you can do by structuring dating like a game. Which is its stregnth anx its weakness.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude this pressure to lose your virginity by an age is silly.
And your self deprecating pov hurts you vs helping you
So #1. Drop all words that paint you in a bad light. Replace it with what will feel to you like being really arrogant... Over time you will find the right middle grounds
Now lift weights, get attractive, talk to EVERYONE , especially talk to girls, read books on game.
Talk to everyone I can't stress this enough.
[–]HawkeyeGK 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Change your mindset from "get a girl" to "find a girl to do fun things with".
Figure out what you like to do that would be fun to share with someone- something awesome that you're passionate about and good at that you'd like to share with someone. If you don't have that thing, find it and get good at it.
Then, when you go out, approach it as looking for the right person to share that experience. You're basically searching and evaluating and interviewing girls to see who you'd like to take on the adventure with you. If they reject your approach, that's dodging a bullet because they wouldn't share that passion or enjoy themselves.
Make it about you looking for someone to share stuff with, not you auditioning yourself to hang out with them.
[–]pythonbow 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is some of the best dating advice I've seen on here. It's really to the point.
[–]Mrsowrong 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just have fun.
[–]AppropriateLog8257 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get off reddit
[–]Thinkingard 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop masturbating, stop any and all porn if you indulge in that. Start chatting to randoms at work or school about whatever is on your mind, even if it's very very brief. All of this will prompt your brain to stop seeing social interaction as so scary. Journal about your insecurities, why does rejection scare you, why does virginity bother you, etc. Once you start interacting with girls don't have the goal of sex in mind, instead try to enjoy her company. You may have to interact with enough girls to try and go one step further (asking out) with the outgoing and friendly ones who will make it easy for you. If you are shy you are going to have to avoid introverted or quiet girls.
[–]BingQiiLing 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We’ll just from your second sentence I can tell that even you yourself see your own potential.
Try to accept the fact that you are an anxious awkward individual. Own it. And still go out and talk to girls despite it. You will embarrass yourself and you’ll have several nights where you’ll cry from frustration. That’s all ok, brother. It’s ok to fail and it’s ok to not be the best at being social.
What is not ok is calling yourself a loser for it and giving up. Don’t ever fucking do that part.
Stop holding yourself back with fear and just be a proud fuck up. Hold your L’s proudly and learn from them.
You’re going to get rejected. There’s no way around that. But the least you can do is have fun while getting rejected. Focus on that. Having fun.
Losers are only losers when they take themselves too serious to see how goofy we all are.
Good luck.
[–]Initial-Laugh1442 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Trial, error and learning
No its not that you can't flirt. You don't want to flirt because you expect too much of yourself. go and approach a few girls...first 10 times expect complete failure and then you will improve slowly. Good luck
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop calling yourself a virgin loser. Confidence is the most attractive quality in a guy. Find the inherent value inside of you, and carry yourself knowing that you’re that great guy. Approach women knowing that whatever they say to you, it can’t change who you are. They’ll either be attracted to your air of confidence, or they’ll reject you. But their rejection doesn’t mean anything, it doesn’t change who you are.
If you aren’t happy with who you are, then look for ways to improve yourself. Develop a daily routine, work out, read and improve your mind, talk to random people on the street, join a dance class. Imagine the kind of guy who you wanna be, and then figure out what steps you need to take to get there
[–]Amikatey 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah.... Talk To Girls... Thats the Tip.
[–]FinchAnstian 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Practice talking with girls that you aren’t attracted to
[–]benmarvin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not just girls, everyone. The bouncer at the bar, the old woman at the grocery store, the guy doing your oil change. Keep at it till you can converse with any stranger naturally, even hot girls.
[–]Crisia_1234 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why not just talk with girls that you are attracted to?
[–]confidence_man91 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, you're not a loser. The idea of marriage and couples getting together because of love (as opposed to for politics) is a relatively recent invention. Romanticism and its literary movement have ingrained the idea of true love, soul mate and love at first sight. The idea that a man MUST win the approval of a woman to validate himself is just wrong and illogical.
You are not a loser because you cant get girls. You have worth and you have value. You just gotta learn how to express the best parts of you and wok through the worst parts.
we need more context though. we would have no idea of what your particular issue might be. You could be needy, you could be shy and meek, you could be freaky or creepy.
give me an example of some of the interactions youre having
[–]andyhura 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read these three books
The six pillars of self esteem - Nathaniel Brandon
Models - Mark Manson
No more mr nice guy - Robert Glover
They contain everything I think you may need.
[–]immatonton 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Firstly, stop calling yourself a loser. Stop calling yourself a virgin too, for that matter. See, “fake it until you make it” actually works. If you tell yourself that you’re a catch who is smooth with the ladies, you’ll eventually start to believe it.
Secondly, “just because a woman rejects you, that doesn’t mean you should reject yourself”. You need to be confident in your own skin and believe that you’re a prize to be had by women.
A woman could reject you for a lot of reasons, many of which were due to no fault of your own. It could have been the wrong place, wrong time, or that you’re simply not her type, which you cannot control.
You need to have a mindset of abundance, meaning you understand that there will always be a pool of women in the world that will find you attractive and the trick is to get out there and play the “numbers game” until you find them.
A mindset of scarcity would be thinking that you need to have a successful interaction with every girl that you meet, that the first girl who shows any inkling in liking you is the girl you latch onto forever, etc. You don’t need to force it, basically. You have abundance.
Also, approach women being outcome-independent. You don’t care what happens, because you know there are more girls out there to approach and receive a different response.
I’m vetting and trying to get the girl to qualify herself to me during the initial conversation, because I want to see if it’s even worth us going out on a date.
Treat every approach and initial reaction almost like a job interview for the women. Again, will YOU like her, not concerned about “will she like me?”
You’re supposed to be confident in yourself and believe you’re the prize enough to where… it’s no question whether she’ll like you. Of course she will.
Efforts towards self-improvement make it so easy. If you’re handsome, that’s a great help, but working out and improving your body does so much as well. Doing meaningful shit in your free time, having “purpose”. Having a solid career and money to do fun stuff. Having a positive outlook on life and self-belief.
I didn’t get there overnight, but I used to be a “loser” too, barely talking to anyone, let alone women. Self-conscious. No meaning in life. Thin as a twig. Trust me, what I’ve told you works, my friend.
[–]AnimatedZ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
stop giving a fuck, and dont place pussys or girls on a pedestal.. just enjoy your own time or with friends, but be friendly or smile to everyone. and head held high, if you dont want to look, look sideways not down.
[–]Plug-From-Oaxaca 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Workout, get in shape, find a purpose and become goal oriented. It will make you a lot more confident and love yourself more which will make you a lot more attractive.
Also stop with the negative talk, if you believe you're a loser, everyone else will too. You are what you do repeatedly everyday.
[–]Billyjeanisntmylover 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just pussy bro
[–]Imissmiura 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t call yourself a loser king
[–]Do_it_for_the_upvote 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go fail.
Seriously. Go try, be awkward, get rejected, and move on. Conversational skills and body language are both skills that, like a muscle, improve with use. You’re gonna suck your first attempt. By your third or forth, you’ll feel way more comfortable. By your 10th, you’re going to be much smoother and more confident.
My advice is to go talk to any of the girls you meet eyes with. If you meet eyes, they were looking at you, too; there’s an opening there (usually). Compliment them on something, or jokingly neg them about something- just say something to start a dialogue and then be yourself after that.
I recently started working as a banker, and for two months before we hit the floor, we were calling leads and transferring them to bankers- not because we didn’t know our shit about lending, but in order to strengthen our conversational skills through repetition. Get the reps in and you’ll be good.
[–]baddog992 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read the book intimate connections by David Burns. Do what it says in the book. Enjoy your success. This can be bought at Walmart, Amazon and many other places. This book changed my life. I have enjoyed success with women thanks to that book. I have friends instead of just people who casually know me. It's like the Bible on how to approach and get dates. I was 20 something when I lost my virginity card. Get the book and read it and try the steps in the book.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
pay a prostitute then you can just be a loser.
But do not really do that there are tons of things you can do the question is are you willing to
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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well do not be cheap hire a competent one
[–]Zealousideal6669 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Learn game, Take care of yourself like clothing, gym etc its gonna boost your confidence too, build up your social life. once you got your look right and you start to get better at the game too you definitely gonna see the changes too
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In attraction, if there’s one golden rule it is: your Skill to not care about a particular rejection is a big element in attracting girls. Without that it’s often ‘needy’ or ‘try hard’. Learn to get that Skill and you’ll do fine
[–]Cowboylion 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At 23 you’re at your prime in terms of looks and youthfulness. I’d try to maximize return by putting extra effort into working out and styling decently. You’ll definitely have a chance landing girls. You just have to approach. Whether it’s on social media or in person. Just make sure you look decent or have nice pics.
You miss 100% of shots you don’t take
[–]NamTrees 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t beat yourself down. If you say that you’re a loser then your subconscious will believe it. 2) build yourself up, workout. Become more social. Build up your wealth, find hobbies / your passion
[–]waresmarufy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You already know the problem because you wrote it already.
[–]dillydog101_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get over the fear of rejection.
Always keep busy so you don’t doubt yourself
It shouldn’t scare you at your big age but things like this takes time
[–]premedchunsa 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In addition to all the great advice given here, I’m going to be an outlier and recommend that you lose your virginity ASAP. I’m going to argue and say that until you have your first sex, you won’t be able to transition into manhood. Your views on sex will change and the way you interact with girls will change. Sexual confidence definitely helps.
[–]saito200 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to stop thinking that you need to use some specific skills to "get a girl". You say girls flirt with you. Well. That's good. You will have to ask one for a date, and in the date you will have to chat with her, try to know her a bit, and then, at some point of the date, kiss her. You don't need to do these things in any specific way, or perfectly. You will feel really awkward doing then, expect that, and do them anyway. Keep it simple: ask for date, and in the date you have to kiss girl. Imagine you're some kind of dumb monkey that can only do things simply and awkwardly and just force yourself to do them. You don't need to "wait" or "become something" before you do that. You don't need to go to the gym, you don't need to "improve your social skills", you don't need to "be an alpha guy", etc. You're ready as you are now. Do it, and do it as soon as you can. Gather some courage and force yourself to do it.
[–]Alternative_Title384 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re not a loser, a lot of people are still virgin at 23, my suggestion is try a dancing school for example Samba or try to get a new hobbie, you’re going to be able to socialize and extent your circle
[–]Then-Compote6185 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Watch tykwondoe and man mindset on YouTube
[–]TheDom1992 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I approached a girl yesterday and felt like an idiot coz I didn’t have much to say. You know what I did right after?? Approached a different girl and got her number…..If you throw 10 darts at a target atleast one is going to stick just keep trying, 23 is young.
Find dudes who get girls and befriend them you’ll learn more from them than asking here.
[–]Calamity__Bane 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Start by having normal conversations so you eliminate the fear response, then come back if you have trouble escalating those into flirty ones.
[–]Skizznitt 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First things first, you're going to have to stop with that negative self attitude like right now. If you think of yourself as a loser, you are going to come across to people as a wimpy loser.
[–]manbruhpig 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop placing so much value on sex, which is supremely overrated. Now you’re a virgin winner!
[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lift weights , work a mission of passion / labour of love on the side or as your main job . And have courage and ask her out - you already know what to do
[–]BadAssBrenno 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get onto The Natural Lifestyles on YouTube or Spotify.
[–]Labranth 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rejection is nothing. There are such things in this world that will make your skin crawl. Rejection isn’t one of them. If you’re attractive it’s like 75% of the progress already. Just imagine they’re dudes and treat them as dudes.
[–]tropicsGold 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make some female friends and just hang out and have fun outside of dating. It will help you relax and learn social skills. BTW 23 is still pretty young so no shame in being a virgin. It will work out in the end.
[–]SkyYoda99 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re not a loser
[–]Few_Debate2784 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You could stop being a Virgin and then a loser, the order may be important or not, who cares.
Uk, I know I should tell you being a virgin is not being a loser and all, but I was in your shoes until a couple of months ago, and it was as relieving as it sounds to lose your virginity. I'm gonna tell you to ask yourself this the next time you see a pretty girl: are you more afraid of telling her she looks pretty or are you more afraid of being 24 and a virgin? Years pass by soon. And those nights are rough. Get some whisky in ya, some liquid courage, and shoot your shots when you get 'em. They're usually not that common. It's not like a sip of water that you can take anytime you want. Time passes by.
[–]hagakurejunkie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude you're 23, most guys are not the studs everyone thinks they have to be. I know plenty of guys who didn't lose their virginity until 25-30 and then went on to have god tier body counts.
You don't get to be shy as a man. A girl can be shy and it's cute but a shy guy just comes off as effeminate and weak.
You're going to get rejected but as long as you're not acting like a creep, the rejection won't normally be insulting, a woman who is not into will just kind of slough off and disappear.
Learn to read non-verbal cues and eject when you get the feeling that she's not into you. "Hey, I have to get going, nice talking to you" is an easy out. Don't try to grab a number from a girl who has little to no interest in you because she'll probably just waste your time anyway.
[–]zdpastaman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't do this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/comments/b9uvc5/head\_bad\_cart\_mediocre/
I’m a 29 year old virgin & I am fine with it. You are not a loser! It’s okay to wait for the right person! I’m being very picky too. Just figure out yourself first, what you like and dislike and what you want from a partner. You may just need to build some self confidence. I don’t quite have advice on that. But it’s really not a big deal!
It never cease to amaze me, dude you already good looking which is the hard part, just say hi and have a convo with them dog please …for the love of god
[–]burncushlikewood 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This one calls for a complete re-haul , you need to read approach and reflect man, it's not an easy process. So here's how I started, one day I was chillin with a couple homies I was at the beginning of grade 11, and where I live it's cold so it's like cold October or November, 2010, i told a buddy I didn't know what to do and I was a virgin, my friends were having sex I wasn't, he recommends this website called fast seduction .com. on this website there was all sorts of pua terms and sections, like 3 second rule, kiss close, number close, body language, approaching , all sorts of stuff and I fumbled myself into a few sexual encounters. But I wasn't an elite pua yet, so it's 2013 and I'm reading some books that I found from some famous Pua, if you want their names comment here. One night I'm with a girl, she's giving me the look while we're in the car, we make out, and I get the confidence to kiss girls. Then I went to university, and on the dancefloor i did hundreds of approaches, and the girls in the venue were very interested maybe even a bit jealous, this is when my game transformed. Then I converted some bangs from this which were much more smooth. I put it all together confidence, speech, escalation, kino, and this is the stage that I'm at now, I am much better with women.
[–]Ultimacustos 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I could care less if you are a virgin. (Or anyone in general) I do care if you're hard on yourself about it. The only ones that care are ad hominem attacking men and women. No regular person cares. It's not your personality. When I make a new friend I don't immediately ask about their sexual history.
For being shy or scared of rejection though, learn to talk. Talk a lot. Talk all the time. Don't be the life of the party but know how to make people laugh and be good at casual conversation. It will take you leaps and bounds in social situations and make it almost seemless to find yourself talking in groups.
It took me until your age to learn that because I was stuck doing a dead end help desk job talking on the phone all day. Learn to speak and the rest will come naturally.
[–]5hr00m 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Go to a brothel and fuck to get rid of virginity, if its illegal in your state, travel where it is legal.
You can also have sex with an escort where it’s illegal. Alain an option just saying!
[–]purplewhiteblack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop worrying about rejection. Rejection happens and then you move on. There are horny women who want to fuck. Stop thinking that they're all one type of person. Half of women have an itch and they need someone to rub it and they don't care that much who does it.
Wear a condom.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
As men we naturally fear rejection since back in the day being rejected may have caused you to be outcasted from the tribe. Now a days rejection doesn’t have any negative consequences. If I told you that if you go ask 100 girls flat out if they want to sleep with you, one of them will say yes will you do it? It’s actually a fact. Prove me wrong but you will end up getting laid. If you learn how to talk to woman like any other human being you will attract them. Some people make the mistake of overly pursuing, at the end of the day we are animals and we tend to run away from something that chases us, woman do that more often. I recommend you to seek services from an escort if you need to for the first time to get confidence or just go on dates using tinder, you can even get premium and get more matches. Texting on tinder is difficult as words don’t come out the same as talking so just keep it short and make dates. Example on tinder Me -Hey what you got going this weekend? Her- nothing wbu Me- Hanging out with some friends Friday, wanna grab a drink Saturday at 7pm at “insert restaurant here” Her- sounds good Me- see you Saturday Boom go meet some girls in person and always give a lover vibe, try kissing, grabbing her hand, etc worst case she will say not but very hard to see you as a friend. You feel like you want to change something about your situation, spend 4 hours a day using every single dating app and trust me you will get girls, it won’t make you happy but it’s a start. I have slept with over 70 girls and I still feel nervous when I talk to girls but the more I do it the better I get, even me if I stop meeting girls I’ll default to my awkward self and get nervous but once I get back it’s like riding a bike!
[–]Mr_BigBananas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm 21 and also one by choice. I've passed up many opportunities because the thing I've heard a lot is that people regret not making it special. I have yet to find the right girl.
Check dm
[–]f_ckupsomecommas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk man I was in the same position as well
[–]yashspartan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get your mental out of your ass. If you think you're a loser, you're already holding yourself back. Flirt back and go on dates. Try shit out, if it works the great, if it doesn't then try something different. Then you'll start picking up on what works and what doesn't.
Don't prioritize on getting a lady. Focus on yourself, improve yourself, and women will start to notice you more. Being good-looking is already an advantage for you, but you can become good-looking AND fit. Or good-looking and making decent money. Or even all three. It's like a business, where you are the product and women are the customer. Become a better product. Focus on yourself, the rest will become easier.
And don't think with your heart. Think with your brain. Understand in which areas you're trying to attract women, and what type of women you'll meet there. Example: If you want to have a proper relationship, looking in clubs and bars is not the place.
Men approach women (on average), and women understand that. And given the power that social media and dating apps provide for women, they get a lot of attention and are approached by a lot of men. Given that power dynamic of attention, women will typically have a higher baseline of requirements (more attention = higher demand = inflated egos). By being unique (good-looking, successful, fit, etc) you put yourself at an advantage against your competition, but understand it still becomes a numbers game (competing against a lot of men), so you may not get picked. Don't be discouraged if you aren't picked, just move on to the next one. Don't do the "pick me" dance, you'll just look desperate. Respect yourself, and others will respect you too.
Honestly, prioritize yourself. If you think being a virgin at your age is bad, know that it could be worse. I read that in Japan, there are folks are in their 30s and still virgins.
And if you're that damn desperate, pros do exist. But don't do that to yourself.
[–]ThrowRA_Mapleman95 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You need to view yourself better and basically flirt by light teasing. Don't try to follow the pickup artist tricks because that shit never works. I was like you until a girl suddenly became obsessed with me to the point where she just threw herself at me. The best way to get a girl imo is to be in their vicinity a lot, like workplace or study circle and get to know them. Don't get to know her too well unless it's a date. You can have light conversations with them when meeting them or friendly conversation but if you want to really get to know them invite them out on a date "hey, we should grab a coffee sometime" or "You seem pretty cool, can I get your (insert number, IG or whatever)"
Alternatively you could jump on tinder but you will 100% need abs or delve into a part of you that you may not be, you will need to act like a player.
Another side note, don't let what people think of you affect you, be you. Also don't be afraid to ask random girls or girls that you know as friends what they find attractive in a guy and take notes.
90% of the game is confidence my friend, even if a girl has initial defence reactions if you maintain composure and confidence she will more than likely turn. That being said read the room
My advice is poorly written but I hope you gain something from it, if you need anymore help dude message me and I'll be glad 😁
Goodluck
[–]ShinzoBinzo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So non-virgins can't be losers?
[–]sexsex69420irl 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Virgin and looser are two different problems that you will have to tackle.
[–]Aceleeon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dm me. I can help you. I’ve trained men in getting laid both online and in person
Work on your speech confidence when talking with people about town and your friends. Have purpose in your words. Most people are more nervous than you are, especially girls, so maintaining a semi normal conversation for 45 seconds can be enough to attract them to you if you’re decent looking.
[–]ancient_horse 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is your virginity affecting your confidence when you approach women?
[–]OJSimpsons 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just work on improving yourself man, especially your self esteem. Think about the people you like to interact with and emulate them. Just be open and social with everyone. Guys, girls, young and old. You need to interact with people regularly to be comfortable in your own skin.
Genuine compliments I like. See a random person wearing a shirt/shoes/hat whatever that you like or know about and say, "hey, I like your shirt man!" Just be open social with everyone. Women are just like men in a lot of ways. If you're having fun, people will be attracted to you both platonically and romantically. Just have fun, whatever that means for you.
[–]GarlicTraditional227 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fake it til you make it
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