California Senate Bill 826 mandates all Corporations to have a certain amount of women in the board of directors or else they'll pay a hefty fine. This does not include men. Women are now by-law get to be a board of director while men doesn't. So much for gender equality.

Dunkolunko · 2020-02-05T16:41:26+00:00

The same day we get several posts asking what actual legal rights issues men have.

tenchineuro · 2020-02-05T16:58:01+00:00

I'm pretty certain that this violates the 1964 Civil Rights Act as well as some section of the CA Constitution. I wonder if one could sue under the Unruh Act?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh\_Civil\_Rights\_Act
The Unruh Civil Rights Act is a piece of California legislation that specifically outlaws discrimination based on sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, age, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation.[1][2] This law applies to all businesses in California, including hotels and motels, restaurants, theaters, hospitals, barber and beauty shops, housing accommodations, and retail establishments.[3] The law was enacted in 1959 and was named for its author, Jesse M. Unruh. The Unruh Civil Rights Act is codified as California Civil Code section 51.[4][5]

Unfortunately you'd need standing.

McFeely_Smackup · 2020-02-05T18:42:03+00:00

The funny thing is, imagine being the one woman on a board of directors. You worked hard, rose through the ranks, and earned your spot at the table.

Everyone dismisses you as the "had to hire a chick" chair warmer.

this is probably seen as a "pro woman" bill, but the reality is it'll set back women in the boardrooms 50 years.

MET1 · 2020-02-05T18:38:16+00:00

Heck. Just ask them to include a definition of "man" and "woman". That will tie them up in knots for the rest of the year. Then just go about your business and be prepared to claim that you are in transition or identifying partly as the other gender. Raise the possibility of discrimination lawsuits if questioned.

ZimbaZumba · 2020-02-05T18:45:53+00:00

Someone must search out those incorporated companies with women only boards. I bet there are more than you think.

EvilLothar · 2020-02-05T19:38:06+00:00

Claim to be a woman, and when you don't get a Board of Directors job.. sue the fuck out of them for discrimination.

SharedRegime · 2020-02-05T20:35:31+00:00

Califonrians still wonder why the rest of the us doesnt like them.

zgembo1337 · 2020-02-05T18:58:19+00:00

/me comes to board room:

Hi, I'm zgembo
hi, I'm Jane
Oh, you're the quota hire, great, great!

carlsberg24 · 2020-02-05T20:38:36+00:00

Now there's a way to set women back a few decades. Some will be tacked-on to boards of directors, none will ever be taken seriously.

Madskil321 · 2020-02-05T21:11:27+00:00

This is a lazy solution. Rather than put a bandaid on the issue, we as a society should look into what part of the process holds women back.

I know bros, I'm sounding like a feminist, but the real deal is if we all don't fix this shit the right way, all of society will eventually suffer.

Let's use schools as an example.

Instead of simply giving minorities a leg up in scholarships just for being minorities, we should be preparing them to earn the scholarships in the same way we prepare private school students. Standardized tests don't work without standardized preparations.

I learned this concept in the military: If you don't solve a problem, someone else may solve it in a way that you didn't want.

matrixislife · 2020-02-05T21:03:31+00:00

At some point we should start a list of rights women have that men don't, laminate^{^{^/meme}} it, and post it all over the damn place.

Andrzej11 · 2020-02-05T21:02:55+00:00

So can we identify as a masculine presenting trans-gender lesbian women and be on boards of directors ?

Deceivement · 2020-02-05T19:51:37+00:00

Fuck Merit, pull down your pants!

420Phase_It_Up · 2020-02-05T20:36:39+00:00

How do things like this not violate the 12th Amendment, equal protection under the law?

DIES-_-IRAE · 2020-02-05T18:13:33+00:00

California is a fucking political dumpster fire.

While this is insane, it is also not a surprise.

scyth3s · 2020-02-05T18:25:50+00:00

Textbook case of liberalism going too far.

2020-02-05T21:57:43+00:00

I made so many arguments about this back when it was passed. Most people said "but the men have no issue getting the jobs anyway."

So I asked if that made sexism against men alright and they said it wasn't sexism but advancing women's rights.

Some people are just stupid

aAvocado62846 · 2020-02-05T22:36:49+00:00

Funny thing is, i was on ask feminists yesterday about people who get fired due to false accusations, and they said no one is guaranteed a job so its fine. Here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/eyfcmp/regarding_false_accusations/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

IntactBroadSword · 2020-02-05T21:27:48+00:00

The CEO should ID as trans

shrewdshrew · 2020-02-06T02:57:09+00:00

We have to understand that gender equality is not the goal anymore. The new goal is EQUITY, which is essentially "equality of outcome".

However, in this case, this is neither equity nor equality. This just seems to be blatant anti-men discrimination. Just add this to the list of ever-growing retorts to the argument that "feminism helps men too!".

samtony234 · 2020-02-06T03:02:38+00:00

So I guess California wants to drive more business away from the state. Their more invested in being "woke" than actually fixing problems like homelessness.

truth-informant · 2020-02-06T04:06:13+00:00

This is where modern feminism gets it completely wrong. Equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity. Opportunity is what's fair and equatible. Outcome is an unfair privelege.

Urban_Gangser · 2020-02-06T07:54:58+00:00

I am against any kind of artificial quota... I think the world gone mad. Equally they can require black, Hispanic etc... to be represented based on the population. Or why not going further? Handicapped/transgender anything you can split the society by, just scream for some representation...

robcars · 2020-02-06T09:13:30+00:00

This is another reason why California will slowly slide down hill. Corporations will Start registering out of California. . There is really no advantage to have a corporation or company in California due to high taxes High. Real estate costs, California slowly driving out all businesses do to over-regulation. And also due to their strict environmental regulations. I would never want to own a business or live in California again. I may be a native but I left because it was sliding down hill. There is also a lack of good jobs even for people with a college degree. I make more money in a tax free state than I Did living in, California.

scaredofshaka · 2020-02-06T09:31:31+00:00

Well thank God they are finally making this mandatory - we all know they'll never get there by themselves

Svenskbtch · 2020-02-06T10:14:00+00:00

That is actually bizarre. The Norwegian law, which I think was the first of its kind, mandates 40% for both genders, though of course qualified women are the main beneficiaries.

I actually think a law like this can be useful, provided you make the quota manageable - say 25% or even varied a bit by industry. There are gains to diversity, and we can manage the trade-offs. Besides, we should keep in mind that we are talking about boards of directors, not executives - it is a part-time role to provide oversight and strategic guidance, where companies have a bit more freedom to experiment compared to when selecting a CEO.

However, you could also argue that companies are under pressure anyway: an all-male board would look terrible for a company who wants to preserve and nurture its image. Transparency about board composition and an activist media may be enough.

Of course, we also have companies, though mostly not listed and subject to such a requirement, with few or no males on the board - mostly, I presume, in industries where women also dominate the work force. They should of course be subject to the same requirement.

I think the problem is not only discrimination against men (which I have a hard time opposing with any fervour, as I would with any policy that would benefit the most privileged in society), but that the main beneficiaries are also some of the most privileged in our society AND that this might lead to an undermining of corporate governance. Qualified women in Norway now often combine board membership in as much as a dozen companies. This not only means that their remuneration is higher, but that they have less time and perhaps conflicts of interest. The latter is particularly important to avoid trusts and other forms of collusion. That is not good for anyone.

dogloveratx · 2020-02-05T18:35:47+00:00

What the actual fuck!!?? Is this real? Please say it’s not!!! This is insane.

icedragon71 · 2020-02-05T20:47:34+00:00

So, no matter if they are actually experienced, qualified or have the ability to do the job? Watch the chair warmer fail, have the pieces put together by someone actually able to do the job, see the chair warmer get all the accolades from the people forcing this on us. "See! We were right."

markus_brutus · 2020-02-05T20:53:11+00:00

Every rise has it's fall, watch California go down the drain.

Kravego · 2020-02-05T21:45:34+00:00

This is from 2018, lawsuits have already been filed to halt it.

ohallright7 · 2020-02-05T22:44:03+00:00

Article is from 2018 but this did get approved and filed in Sept 2018. It required companies to have a female board member by end of 2019, I'm curious how many new board positions were created- qualifications aside board members aren't constantly rotating and it would be discrimination to fire a man because he's not a woman and the laws says we need a woman.

The bill has some interesting justifications too, one example is citing price to book ratio for company valuations being higher at companies with a female board member. That's dangerously close to rhetoric that's used for racism, ie cities are bad and have large black population so blacks are bad.

jeff_the_nurse · 2020-02-06T02:06:28+00:00

So men have to work their way to the top, but the law promotes women to the top. Got it.

MRA-Sid · 2020-02-05T20:07:44+00:00

No evidence is required to prove that they are inferior to men. If not why do they need privileges and can’t compete with men.

IntactBroadSword · 2020-02-05T21:25:57+00:00

If women build their own companies this wouldnt be an issue

I_Hate_Snowflakes · 2020-02-05T23:00:12+00:00

What's the point of adding ANY WOMEN to a board?! The boards are for the COMPANIES! How does having WOMEN on them help it at all?!

And can't we argue that putting women on boards can be bad?

tenchineuro · 2020-02-05T19:59:00+00:00

Are you sure? This IS coming from vox

GuyWithTheStalker · 2020-02-05T22:22:54+00:00

This is interesting...

*If* they're going to do this type of thing, why not instead have a number of demographics and percentage ranges which a minimum number of those demographics must meet. E.G. African American: A-B%, Men: C-D%, Women: E-F%, Hispanics: G-H%, Asians: I-J%, etc...

pixie_wrangler_ · 2020-02-05T22:34:26+00:00

How DARE they assume their genders. And fuck them for not including the other 9364179364362738 genders.

JaceLightning · 2020-02-05T23:08:44+00:00

California is quickly becoming the worst state in the union.

slixx_06 · 2020-02-05T23:28:32+00:00

More laws less justice

beesnoopy2231 · 2020-02-05T23:34:05+00:00

Claim to be a tranny and your company will be fine lol

thewho2326 · 2020-02-05T23:36:20+00:00

New York did that to also you can't fire a women in new york

MCRusher · 2020-02-05T23:40:10+00:00

Sex change keeps sounding better and better these days.

No but seriously what the fuck

Canisluous1558 · 2020-02-05T23:55:31+00:00

Funny how women are so smart and powerful they need to be litigated into certain positions in life.

the_dark_knight_ftw · 2020-02-05T23:57:42+00:00

I can see why so many men nowadays are turning themselves into women.

leknerd · 2020-02-06T00:05:25+00:00

This is reason #1 to support the ERA.

2020-02-06T00:26:57+00:00

Jesus...

Jex117 · 2020-02-06T00:46:09+00:00

Equality for me, not for thee.

chambertlo · 2020-02-06T00:47:06+00:00

We’ll see how this works out when profits take a huge nose dive and innovation is ruffled or comes to a complete halt.

Women cannot and do not lead as well as men do. They never have.

Frontfart · 2020-02-06T00:53:52+00:00

Idiocracy

nukeyocouch · 2020-02-06T01:21:04+00:00

So.... promote people to positions they arent qualified for purely based on their sex.... sounds real smart/legal.

el_Technico · 2020-02-06T02:54:24+00:00

Can't wait to see how many corporations move their headquarter out of state as a result of this.

IANVS · 2020-02-06T03:09:08+00:00

Nuke California.

2020-02-06T03:09:23+00:00

Fuck california

Jackson2615 · 2020-02-06T03:13:42+00:00

If a business is gonna stay there, just pay the fine , it will be a cheaper option than having women run the business into liquidation/ bankruptcy.

pkarlmann · 2020-02-06T03:34:38+00:00

Because of bs like this I'll laugh even harder when Donald Trump wins again.

Ahhh those feminist tears...

Icarus_13310 · 2020-02-06T03:52:07+00:00

Not gender equality at all, this is a violation of meritocracy, which of course is already dwindling in US with the Affirmative Action bullshit... radical left is a fucking mess

2020-02-06T04:07:35+00:00

It’s hilarious how demeaning these laws actually are, politics aside. “Women aren’t good enough to get on boards by their own accord through competence, skill and dedication, so we’ll legislate them to be there by law”

How shit must it feel to know that you’re only employed because of a law? Fuck that. If the roles were reversed, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself.

2020-02-06T04:24:27+00:00

Countrysedan · 2020-02-06T04:29:40+00:00

So much for big corporations worth their beans actually staying in California. Seems incredibly stupid.

Sizzlinskizz · 2020-02-06T04:51:35+00:00

Neo liberal bullshit.

Dudegoinghisownway · 2020-02-06T05:35:07+00:00

Just get a bunch of men to identify as women. No need to dress differently or anything just say they are women.

MedicJambi · 2020-02-06T06:26:42+00:00

Simple. One of the board members need only to claim he identifies as a woman.

I'd love to watch them argue that a person needs a uterus, or ovaries, or a vagina to be a woman.

Beat them at their own game or watch their brains divide by zero and hard-lock.

California will keep driving businesses from its state. Once the corporate tax income goes they're going to turn to those they have always turned to. The residents. There is already hoards of middle class leaving.

2020-02-06T06:41:23+00:00

This is such old news. Here's an update. Tokenism didn't bring any positive changes.

djc_tech · 2020-02-06T10:58:48+00:00

As a copy, move your corporate HQ to somewhere else. You don’t need a lot. Keep the office in CA as a branch office and skort the law. That’s what I’d do

BornFreeWE · 2020-02-06T10:59:49+00:00

"By the end of July 2021, companies have to have at least two women on boards of five members and at least three women on boards with six or more. "

If they add:

"By the end of July 2021, companies have to have at least two men on boards of five members and at least three men on boards with six or more. "

I would see it as gender equality.

Without that it is just a sexist law!

2020-02-06T12:15:35+00:00

They don’t want equality of opportunity because for years we’ve seen women use that freedom to go into cosmetology, teaching, psychology, nursing and childcare and since that didn’t fit the feminist power fantasy, they’re now forcing male dominated companies to just dump more women in the room to have women there. That’s not equality, the women in that room are just there to look pretty.

deedoedee · 2020-02-06T12:28:29+00:00

They need to start putting (826) after all female board member names regardless of them being hired because of this law or not.

This is basically what they're doing anyway -- delegitimizing women who actually earned the job.

azwethinkweizm · 2020-02-06T12:34:17+00:00

This is why we need the Equal Rights Amendment to be passed. Laws like this would be unconstitutional

Thomjones · 2020-02-06T15:33:35+00:00

It bothers me that people assume just bc you have to have a woman on the board it means she's not qualified, didn't work hard for it, or didn't deserve it, like they pulled some broad off the street to run a part of their million dollar company cuz a law said so. It's the same assumption about diversity hires like only white people are qualified for these positions. Then it turns into "well they could have hired a qualified white man but noooooo they were forced to hire a qualified black woman instead" except there was never a white man in the running for that position.

ccosby · 2020-02-05T23:24:18+00:00

Just throwing it out there to any CA based corporation. You can pay me 20% of what you would pay a board member and I'll identify as a female(a really ugly one with a beard) and sit on the board and do nothing. If you want me at a meeting just pay travel and put me up in a hotel.

chappel68 · 2020-02-06T01:36:15+00:00

I just don’t understand this. I get that having diversity in members leads to diversity of ideas and an overall healthier pool of ideas to choose from and is therefore a good thing, but how tough could it have been to write the law to state ‘all boards must be comprised of more than one gender’ - that would simultaneously be completely equitable and non-discriminatory (or at least MUCH harder to poke holes in for being blatantly one sided), but at the same time having the exact same effect almost every time. I’d argue the few all-female boards would also benefit from diversity (by their own logic), and if the law is vague enough ‘non-binary’ should be enough to check the box, and still let them keep out teh ev1l mens.

I actually looked up the exact text if the law a while back to make sure this wasn’t being blown out of context, but no - it literally says ‘must have a woman’.

I get the feeling the words claim ‘equality’ but the unstated but very real goal is ‘women only or bust’.

Matt22blaster · 2020-02-06T06:32:24+00:00

To keep my sanity I have to remind myself, "This is what happens when a society's poorest citizens are the likeliest to suffer from type 2 diabetes because they're overfed." We do live in an amazing country.

As the left moves further left they only alienate more people while devouring their own in the process. Good for you California! Please continue to act confused when Trump wins again.

deville05 · 2020-02-06T08:20:46+00:00

I'm pretty sure that many men who are on a board of directors are there because of wealth or connections rather than simply acumen and qualification. So i think This one is not rights but a matter of privilege. So fuck it, I don't necessarily feel upset about this one. They will all think about the bottom line and fuck us over to get it. Let some women get in on that action

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