"Post-wall women" stay single because they have absurd expectations

2018-04-20T16:42:30+00:00

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Jokengonzo · 2018-04-20T14:38:01+00:00

I think it has more to do with modern feminism telling these girls they can have it all like men which of course is a lie (men don’t have it all) but these women believe the lie and go join the wage slaves and They focus on their careers and building solely because that’s what men do so women can do it too but most men do it to provide or potentially provide for a family Women it seems want to do it because hey money and grrrrl power. This leads to them not creating families when their younger and when the wall comes and they realize the job is just a job that’s when they search but too late for most thof guys are taken

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Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-04-20T16:29:42+00:00

Seriously, why should a handsome doctor settle for a post-wall woman when he can date hot women who are 10 years younger?

He shouldn't, but then again, most male older medical professionals I meet aren't "dating hot 20 year olds" (I'm cringing at this juvenile cliche) .. they are married to people of approximately their age who they met in school (in most cases). Ditto for investment professionals (which is my line of work). Most 30-40 year old men are in relationships and/or married with little kids. The ones who aren't are simply not relationship material themselves (they have the 'smarts' and ensuing status from their work, but might have poor personalities/character or are poor in the looks department).

Which leads to my conclusion: post-wall women are single because they have ridiculous expectations: they expect to marry a hot doctor, but they are all below-average and bring nothing unique to the table. Meanwhile, the hot doctors are dating 18 year old women, just because they can!

They just overestimated their RMV and/or didn't start looking for a serious partner soon enough. Ridiculous expectations might be a part of the former point.

says_harsh_things · 2018-04-20T15:00:55+00:00

It's not complete.

Yes, they have absurd expectations. But what you've missed is what the "pool of available men" looks like.

--the pool of available men shrinks with each passing year. By the time she's 30, it's not very big at all and gets smaller very fast. "Available men" means "unmarried/unattached men who are attractive enough to her and who are interested in her and who want to date/fuck her seriously and possibly exclusively."

Now, if all she wants to do is date and have sex casually, the pool for that is quite a bit bigger.

--in some areas, the pool is almost nonexistent because of male-female ratio, predominant religion, etc.

--"Post wall" takes a lot of women out to the late 30s/early 40s. A lot of women are physically attractive enough to date/fuck around/slut around for a long time, well into their 30s. And that "available pool" is really, really small. Vanishingly small. Most women wanting commitment by that time will have to compromise a lot.

--the women who get here don't know how small the pool is until they get here. They have no idea how small the pool is and how fast it's shrinking. And they are unpleasantly surprised when they get here. They really did believe there would be tons and scads and regiments and legions of hot, sexy, available men, just waiting for them to alight from (or get kicked off) the carousel. And they get a rude awakening when they find out they ran out of time and men.

Aside from the available pool issue, there are other considerations.

--a lot of post wall women stay single because they are still attractive enough to date/fuck attractive men without commitment.

--a lot of post wall women stay single because they accept that marriage won't happen for them, so it's Feline City, their jobs, and the occasional date/fuck/FWB situation.

So there's more to it than just "women are being ridiculous". That is a huge part of it, but that's not all there is to it.

pinkgoldrose · 2018-04-21T01:47:20+00:00

Okay here's where you're wrong: young women are more successful professionally than young men. Women who remain single and don't have kids are more successful professionally than women do get in a relationship and have kids. Therefore your caricature of these pathetic 30-year-old women who have nothing to offer contrasted with their professionally-successful male doctors is plain wrong.

If anything, it would be a slew of professionally successful older women unable to nab a half-decent man because having a graduate degree is pretty much a negative predictor of a man's interest in a woman, whereas the opposite isn't true. The successful men can prefer to date, as you say, hot women, which leaves the successful women with no suitable options.

pinkgoldrose · 2018-04-21T01:33:49+00:00

Booohhh. Most young doctors are women. Lots of single women in their 30s-40s are beautiful doctors who make six figures and who are athletic and toned. Get out with your misogyny.

Double-booohhh. I'm a woman and I got asked out once in decades.

The "where are all the good men gone" women are women who got dumped on the eve of their 30th birthday.

philomexa · 2018-04-20T14:44:43+00:00

This kind of talk seems so dated to me idk. I'm not sure where you live but where I am most single women in their 30s are so because they want to be. They want to continue their 20something lifestyle without a husband or kids tethering them. I never encounter these "where have all the good men gone" women IRL, they seem pretty content brunching and whoring basically.

Like there are a lot of women who basically push marriage and family until they're like 40, but not because they couldn't find a man. Its why so many women are talking about IVF and freezing their eggs now. This isn't the 70s where marriage by 30 like the only option for a woman.

Anyway the idea that "hot doctors" are dating teenagers at any significant rate is a joke. Why is it so hard to accept that MOST people date in their age range?

PPD-Angel · 2018-04-20T14:29:03+00:00

This post seems more appropriate as a CMV rather than a debate so it will be tagged as so. All top level comments must challenge the OP's view.

Crunchthemoles · 2018-04-20T15:50:05+00:00

I'm in my 30's, and was active on the dating scene for a bit. I do agree, while expectations for men have gone up, not all women are gunning for handsome doctors...that's such a hyperbole, I don't even know where to begin. Can we just agree that, on average, there is a degree of hypergamy at all levels of dating and move on from there? Conflating "handsome doctor, six-figure income" with "steady job, has shit together, is cute" is quite the distortion of reality.

And my experience dictates that most single 30-something women would gun for the later at the drop of a hat.

I dated a girl once, non-exclusively, who was quite open about her dating prospects while we'd be sitting on the couch together. A surgery resident was pursuing her and I encouraged her to go for it. Guess what happened? She lost interest after a few texts back and forth and slept with my non-doctor ass for the next few months; the element of "dating doctor" dropped as quickly as his conversation skills evaporated. She was a solid 'post-wall' 31 years old at the time.

Also, just to put a wrinkle in other generalizations, my current girlfriend is insanely beautiful, 30 years old, and does NOT get asked out several times a week. I was so skeptical of this at first that I thought I must be in a "shallow hal" state of mind, but I have confirmed with others - she is insanely beautiful.

In fact, I have no idea what she's doing with me, but apparently my propensity to quit PhD programs and live off a sub-six figure income seem to sufficient reasons for her to ride my carousel.

Also, of my friends who are doctors, I don't know any that are dating 18 year old women consistently. In fact, most are married, and the one that is not is so busy with residency, I don't even think his dick works anymore.

SirClownfish · 2018-04-20T17:22:21+00:00

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philomexa · 2018-04-20T15:13:01+00:00

On the other hand, handsome doctors are frequently dating hot 20-something women just because they can! Seriously, why should a handsome doctor settle for a post-wall woman when he can date hot women who are 10 years younger?

Really? cause most of the doctors I know either as a patient or on personal friend basis are south Asian/east Asian and married to their looks/careers/culture/age match.

The vanishingly few white age-mate doctors I'm acquainted with are also married to their looks/age/career/culture match. I.e. anesthesiologist with a pediatrician, general practitioner with a radiologist, RN with and MRI tech. All of these careers require extended school, most of these people met their spouses in school, thus age match.

I don't know of too many single male doctors though, apparently you do. Could you indicate what specialty they are in? Maybe that might give us a window into how they are in contact with so many hot 18 to 20-something year old women just dying to date these over worked, indebted, exhausted men.

I have a feeling you drew up this hot dr. strawman to fluff up your thinly veiled rant about single 30 something year old women.

SmurfESmurferson · 2018-04-20T15:24:47+00:00

I work in a teaching hospital. I have yet to see a resident or an older physician dating an 18-year-old. Some of the people who are getting an undergrad degree and planning to go into medicine likely are, but those people are mostly in that age group (and aren't doctors yet, and might never be if they don't get into medical school or if they change their minds)!

Many of the younger residents, docs and medical students I see are dating or married to other doctors. The older single male docs tend to date younger than their age, but even they are dating women in their 30s or 40s.

Or, are you talking about PhDs in general? On a college campus, those folks may well be dating 18-year-olds, due to propinquity.

Dating prospects for both men and women narrow considerably after people are out of high school and/or college, where you have a huge pool of single people who are all about the same age. Once you are out in the working world, either people are coupled or they're not in the right age range. I think it's this sudden move from large dating pool to small dating pool that prompts some men and women to say "where did they all go"?

I'm a 61-year-old single woman, and there is no wall. I can't figure out why some of y'all go on about this wall all the time; what is the point?

SweeterPickles · 2018-04-20T17:16:22+00:00

Disagree by personal experience. Many women I know in their 30s either started dating a guy who was just the right person for them or the guys they’ve gone out with are pretty terrible matches, if they try at all.

A lot of people in their 30s hit a point where they’re pretty content being single, and without a major spark they don’t see the need to pursue anything major

SirClownfish · 2018-04-20T18:13:50+00:00

I married a doctor in my mid thirties. He is younger than me. Btw, fyi, there is no great cash cow waiting for those who marry doctors. They are loaded with loans,stress and long hours. All the doctors I know wish they had gone into something else.

VoyageOfTheBeagle · 2018-04-20T17:41:33+00:00

I think there are a couple of holes in this.

>handsome doctors are frequently dating hot 20-something women just because they can!

This is... not what I've seen. At all. The handsome doctors are dating pretty doctors. People I know tend to date within the people they see all the time, and in their own social circles.

>Let's face it, every woman gets asked out several times a week.

Also just categorically untrue. You're way overestimating.

A 30-year-old woman could be single for any number of reasons, and I don't really know any who do the "WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE" stereotype. The 30somethings I know who are single are either recently out of long-term relationships or marriages, or dedicated career women. /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen is about as representative of your average single woman as /r/TumblrInAction is for your average democrat, or /r/beholdthemasterrace for your average Trump supporter. Pulling out exceptions is fun to chuckle about, but the presence of crazies doesn't imply a general societal problem.

sadomasochrist · 2018-04-20T15:15:04+00:00

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2018-04-20T20:32:20+00:00

If you want to be a desirable person then you need to work on yourself. Get educated, work out, learn to be social, earn money, and so forth. This is true for BOTH men and women. The difference is that a young woman often had youth and beauty that give her a temporary boost in desirability. Young men normally don't have any initial boost, unless they are particularly handsome of wealthy.

So the result is that men learn early that you need to make an effort. Women sometimes don't learn that lesson.

Regardless of being man or woman, if you expect people to value or desire you just because you exist then you will eventually be disappointed. Invest in yourself if you want people to desire you.

Asian-incel · 2018-04-20T22:59:50+00:00

So, I'm a guy in my early 30s. I'm just overwhelmed by the fact that the vast majority of single women in their 30s-40s have dramatically unrealistic expectations in a romantic partner. So many of them feel that they are entitled to marry a handsome doctor who makes six figures. Invariably, these women are all average at best and bring nothing unique to the relationship: they're not beautiful, not athletic and toned, not good cooks, not warm and compassionate, etc. On the other hand, handsome doctors are frequently dating hot 20-something women just because they can! Seriously, why should a handsome doctor settle for a post-wall woman when he can date hot women who are 10 years younger?

I think the reason why this happens is because a lot of women don't mind being single and there are so many desperate men out there. Women have all the bargaining power.

I know a lady in her thirties at work who will only be with a man who has the 666 features i.e. 6 feet tall, 6 pack abs, and 6 figure salary, and she seems to be in no rush. On the weekends she can hang out with her girl friends or watch Netflix and then during holiday she takes Intrepid tours which mostly cater to solo travellers. So most women are quite independent and don't need men, so they can afford to have high standards.

DaphneDK42 · 2018-04-21T02:07:17+00:00

Doctors must be the most miserable group of people to marry. They never had time to do anything interesting since they spent their whole youth buried in studies, they have insane work loads, at varying hours, and are daily confronted with all the misery of the human condition, etc. Where is the upside?

I'd rather marry an unemployed high school drop out, than a doctor.

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-04-20T14:45:01+00:00

I'll attempt to CMV.

"Where have all the good men gone" is not a reflection of entitlement or absurd expectations, it actually corresponds with a change in reality for women as they age. It's an accurate description of the dating environment they find themselves in post 30 yrs old.

By the time women are in their 30's and looking to settle, they are left with are the "bad men" in their age group (those that didn't get snagged, and are too low status/unattractive/unwilling to commit to date down to women in their 20s) as well as a bunch of undesirable men in their 40s and 50s with baggage from previous relationships. All the good men have indeed gone.

It's not that these women have ridiculous expectations; it's that they have expectations at all. All the good men are literally gone, or there are like 1-5% as many as there were just a few short years ago and all the good ones (attractive, high status) know their worth and treat women disposably.

TreKopperTe · 2018-04-20T15:30:50+00:00

You assume a lot of things, and it's all really shallow.

storffish · 2018-04-20T17:04:19+00:00

it sounds like you're just going off of online dating profiles which in no way reflect reality. chicks throw out requirements on tinder because they can, but in reality they take what they can get. unless she's a total smokeshow she's not going to get the 6' millionaire she claims she deserves. she might get lucky and find a short, fat guy who makes decent money or she might meet a 6' warehouse worker, but not both. what she really wants is a guy who doesnt give a shit what she puts in her bio and messages her anyway.

look if I had women throwing themselves at me the way men throw themselves at women I'd put that I require supermodel looks and surgeon salary in my tinder bio too. why not?

there's a range of reasons why those women end up single but let me lay down the "typical" (which is by no means every-single-time trajectory): 20-something girl meets 20-something guy. both decent looking, both have pretty good career aspects. they date for a while, have a great time, get married, and decide to buy a house and have some kids.

she switches to part-time when she gets pregnant so that she can be around for the kids and housework. she's making less. bills pile up, one of the kids has medical problems and the furnace breaks. husband has to pick up a night job a few times a week. wife becomes stressed and bitchy, husband withdraws and get depressed. hes drinking more, gains 50 lbs, wife hates it but she's gotten heavy too. eventually the stress is too much and they get divorced. when she's ready to date she wants the best for her kids, nothing like her ex. she wants a guy who's actually fun and engaged and in shape, not a mopey sad sack. of course she completely missed the fact (forest for the trees) that she was a major contributing factor in her husband becoming a sad sack.

eventually she meets a great guy. he's not much to look at but he has a stable job and likes her kids. they get engaged and decide to buy a bigger house and maybe have another kid. the cycle repeats itself...

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SJHammer · 2018-04-20T19:12:11+00:00

Its the "wanting more" mentality. Which I think men are accused of more often. "Men want to fuck every type of woman, like notches on a belt, women of every race, etc." But that's wanting in a horizontal direction. In theory women of all races are equal. But women want more in a vertical way, they want better. Richer, better looking, more confident, etc. But there will always be better. Hypergamy.

Offhisgame · 2018-04-20T20:33:02+00:00

Sounds mostly like youre butthurt average women rather not fuck anyone than fuck an average guy like you.

Nothing is stopping you from doing the same thing and pining after 9s and 10s only to never fuck them. Feel free!

whoareyou31 · 2018-04-20T23:57:10+00:00

Dude people are taking this doctor example way too serious. Half these comments are redditors saying “ WELL I KNOW A DOCTOR WHO MARRIED ANOTHER DOCTOR”... uhh no shit they went to medical school together or spent residency together.

As a current medical student, im not even gonna talk about this “doctor example” because that’s irrelevant.

OP’s point is that these 30+yo women have nothing to offer to a successful, single, rich, guy. A big part of a male’s sexual value comes from his career/money/status which isnt as true for women. A big part of a woman’s sexual value is derived from her beauty and reproductive capabilities.

Basically a high value man should be with a high value woman. Successful men will go for the younger and hotter girl. Im not saying older women cant be beauitful im just saying both beauty and reproductive capabilities are inversely proportionate to age.

Willow-girl · 2018-04-21T11:56:43+00:00

I guess my expectations must have been realistic because I had no problem finding partners in my 30s/40s ...

DareyFathom · 2018-04-20T15:04:52+00:00

I'm a man in my mid 30s that would like to settle down, but I'm not doing it with a female in my age range for two reasons:

I want children and it is too risky for older women to reproduce.
Very few women stay attractive in their 30s.

xtsv · 2018-04-20T15:58:33+00:00

Single women in general have absurd expectations.

quicklogaccount · 2018-04-20T18:03:50+00:00

Ok, as RPer, I reckon the purpose of the formulation you made, but technically speaking, your hypothesis is (almost?) unfalsifiable in practice, because you used "post wall women" in between quotations, allowing you to twist the concept however you see fitting. Given that possibility and your description, I dare to say there is even a probability of you having started off from the conclusion, "women (that have absurd expectations and are unreasonably picky) are single (because they have absurd expectations and are unreasonably picky)". This is unfalsifiable because if such a woman weds, she was not being unreasonably picky.

So I propose an alternative and testable hypothesis:

"Women are at disadvantage compared to other women if they suck at dating, or rather, if dating them suck."

The idea here is that some 30yo women stop having sex early on because they believe that is beneficial for a future relationship, but offer no other reasons for quality (and therefore with options) men to spend enough time around them to make possible the formation of any bond. So, dating them suck, and quality men won't date them. But if they have (non subpar) sex or manage to maintain the man's interest (and attraction!) despite of postponing sex, they have as much chances with these men as other women do.

- Since the majority of women revert to the belief that postponing sex raises the chances of commitment, it explains the same cases explained by your hypothesis;
- This hypothesis permits that older women wed valuable men, and it happens in real life;
- It explains the inability many young women have to wed valuable men;
- It doesn't challenge the much observed "prancing" / "rebirth" so many women seem to undergo;
- It explains why they wed mentally scarce men so often.

What is left of older women's disadvantage is explained by their hypergamy naturally dwindling their perceived options to date.

GridReXX · 2018-04-20T20:18:29+00:00

I only see this among women in their early 20s through their 30s who are more competent (in how they think and regarding FTO) and precipitously more higher earning than the men in their network.

Basically I’m saying I don’t see women claiming they need “the hottest guy.”

They want a “guy on their level” as far as a life partner is concerned.

I also don’t see average women in looks or earning power requesting men who are hotter than them and way more higher earning than them. I see average women more satisfied with their mates than women of above average looks and success.

Either way women don’t like marrying men who are at the very least not as competent as them.

And the more a woman excels or grows wiser, she’s more annoyed by men who aren’t doing the same. It becomes a “well what value are you adding to my life outside of penis?” Because penis is cheap and not something women crave as much as men crave vagina.

For the women like this, they’ll fare better dating a guy older than her which hopefully means he’s competent etc. Other than that she’ll have to sacrifice and expect to be the more competent leader in the relationship, which IME / IMO is a setup for hetero relationship failure.

That said I find men find value in women more satisfyingly — many women are able to provide a legacy for him; men value access to women sexually more than the women do them.

wathon2 · 2018-04-21T04:52:46+00:00

From personal observation, every woman, no matter how ugly, boring, or bitchy has at least a few guys that fancy her. I believe any woman that is single, is single by choice.

It all boils down to the 80/20 rule. The OP is right, they all want the top men, and most of them will end up as nothing more than a pump-n-dump for Chad.

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Meetchel · 2018-04-20T22:56:29+00:00

I have quite a few childhood friends that became doctors (I grew up in an affluent community outside of LA) and literally none of them married significantly younger, or significantly more physically attractive than they are. In fact, they are all very driven and don't really have all that much time to socialize/date (annoying for me as I want to keep up with my friends), and weren't terribly happy with their single lives because of this.

I've also had no trouble dating women my age (37, and been actively single & dating for the majority of my 30s), so I'm not sure exactly where this insecurity comes from. My best advice is to consider moving your location; smaller areas tend to be much more difficult to date in.

RzaAndGza · 2018-04-22T16:10:28+00:00

Do you know any doctors? None of them date 18 year olds.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2018-04-22T19:26:44+00:00

oww, poor malez angry that no woman would settle for less (i.e. them). and they shouldn't. poor malez can cry for all i care. the rest is just their revenge fantasy. poor, poor males...

rpwthrowaway2016 · 2018-04-23T08:13:03+00:00

Let's face it, every woman gets asked out several times a week.

I don't know where you're from, but that is definitely not the case for me. If you exclude dating apps, I've been asked out IRL a grand total of 5 times, and I'm not even ugly. (Though I am a minority race, so that could work against me.) My female friends are not asked out anywhere close to the frequency you stated either.

I don't have problems with it, since I've had great LTRs regardless and it would be tiring to be asked out all the time, but the idea that women all have giant stables of IRL men to choose from for LTRs at a moment's notice is misguided.

Entropy-7 · 2018-04-24T04:59:35+00:00

IME hot doctors tend to marry other hot doctors. If they make it to their 30s and are still single and kept in shape then ya, they are dating down 5 to 10 years or more.

"You know what? This whole dating thing is a hell of a lot easier on a doctor's salary." ---my friend the (not so hot) ER doc.

But setting aside the handsome doctor trope, there can be a few things at play. The most obvious and least flattering is simply that there is something in their personality that isn't attractive enough for a guy to want to commit to them.

Another possibility is the ratchet effect where the woman seeks out the best qualities of all their previous boyfriends combined. After 3 to 5 serious relationships there isn't a lot of give and take left.

Keep in mind that something like 80% of people (not just women) think they are above average. And given female hypergamy (in the classic sense, not the TRP sense) a woman at the 40th percentile thinks she is at the 60th percentile and is shooting for a guy at the 70th percentile.

The other thing is that women shift gears somewhere between late 20s and mid-30s, and their priorities change. Sure, they still want a good-looking guy but they become more concerned with provisioning and stability and from the perspective of a guy that can seem to be an unreasonable raising of standards.

Counter-intuitively, they vet guys more closely, and drag things out to 4th, 5th, 6th dates or whatever before sex is on the table just at the time when their SMV is declining.

I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

2018-04-20T18:23:51+00:00

I don't think it's so much of their stadards. I've had no problem getting dates or relationships with any of these post wall women.

It's their attitudes! No guy can put up with them. All they do is bitch about their life problems

MGTOWManofMystery · 2018-04-20T19:02:08+00:00

Pre- and post-wall. Cf. the OKCupid report (women find only the top 20% of men attractive; men find 50% of women attractive).

2018-04-20T19:33:59+00:00

The outcome may be correct, but the cause of the phenomenon may not be accurate. It’s not that these women haven’t ever encountered a decent guy to marry, it’s that they weren’t ready to get married when they met the right guy. A good match also has to have the right time, right person, right place.

Lots of women hit an age where they can’t put off the decision to have kids for much longer, especially if they want bio kids. Time runs out. I don’t think they are looking for hooot doctors, I don’t think they are looking for men above their league in the looks department. I do think if they are thinking about having kids within a few years, they want a guy who makes as much or more money than they do. Call it hypergamy or gold digging or whatever, but if you want the option of staying home a year or two, or hopping on the mommy track in your career so you can help out at the PTA, it’s pretty clear why having a husband with a good job is important for lots of women.

None of us can “have it all”. Most of us in happy marriages are married to basically similar age (men often a few years older), similar education (women becoming slightly more educated than men), and similar socioeconomic status. The difference comes when women who have waited until mid to late thirties do not have a similar demographic of available men in one important aspect, the similar, suitable, available men don’t have the same time constraints on deciding whether or not to have kids. A 35 year old woman may have five years left to get the whole ball of wax wrapped up. Find the guy, get the ring, have 2.5 kids. A 35 to 40 year old guy is more likely thinking gee, I should start a family soon, I’d like to be able to see grandkids one day.

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-04-20T20:29:23+00:00

I think it has more to do with the fact they still believe they're worthy of the best so when someone good comes by they ignore because they think they deserve the best. So yes.

I also believe most women in general overrate themselves in general.

imafraid0famericans · 2018-04-21T05:16:10+00:00

She might have high expectations because she views herself as being able to provide a stable marriage/relationship, which is full time both physical and emotional work. Young, hot women typically don’t provide one of the two, or either of those, because young, hot women have lots of freedom with time and money, and don’t care to waste that freedom on settling down. So she’s asking for high expectations because she’s more likely to provide the not-so-appealing labors of a functional relationship. Of course that doesn’t mean all single 30-something women DO provide that, but definitely more likely.

2018-04-21T16:54:12+00:00

I think people are pairing off too late but not because they have too high of standards. They’ve been lied to about when they should secure a partner and what traits they should look for.

I am 34 and married and just had an interesting convo with some of my single gf’s. They don’t want doctors- they want men like them: employed, live like adults, not totally insane and relationship minded. Men like that don’t stay single into their 30’s but mostly men like that don’t grow outside of LTR’s. Both of them joked about having dibs on my husband if anything happens to me. The fact is, my husband is out of my league- he wasn’t when we started dating but the man he became in our 13 years is. And it was, in no small part, thanks to my influence. If he wasn’t in an LTR he wouldn’t dress as well or take care of his skin. He wouldn’t walk with the confidence of a man who gets regular sex and compliments. One time he saw a dude who looked a bit like him, in a crappy band shirt and cargo shorts hitting on the bartender ineffectively and he said “there but the grace of god go I...” Average men left in the wild into their 30’s look/act like it. Some very attractive men can pull it off but they are rare.

Men are not meant to be alone until 30 and adult women are not meant to look at average 30 year men who haven’t had female affection and attention.

prodigy2throw · 2018-04-21T17:01:22+00:00

They don’t have absurd expectations they just were similarly lied to about what men want in a wife

Five_Decades · 2018-04-21T18:13:00+00:00

I think you're confusing cause and effect.

The women with unrealistic standards had them when they were younger too. The ones with realistic standards ended up meeting someone.

I don't think the wall makes women develop unrealistic standards, it's more that they are a bigger share of what's left on the singles market.

Also every woman isn't asked out multiple times a week. Most women aren't that attractive. Very few women hit the trifecta of young, pretty and thin.

2018-04-21T00:17:45+00:00

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Title	"Post-wall women" stay single because they have absurd expectations
Author	johnsmith66
Upvotes	54
Comments	287
Date	April 20, 2018 2:24 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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