According to feminists - more men entering female dominated professions is new sexism against women

Stratisphear · 2012-05-22T23:34:54+00:00

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Mitschu · 2012-05-22T23:57:14+00:00

More evidence that being a male is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Successful male in a typically male-oriented field? The glass ceiling is holding superior women down so you can get there.

Successful male in a typically female-oriented field? You get a special glass escalator while superior women have to climb.

Yet the glass cellar doesn't exist...

BinaryShadow · 2012-05-23T02:06:11+00:00

Men can't win, can they. THey really can't. On one side, women have overtaken men in just about every school field imaginable (and the ones we haven't, it's our fault we love it more than they do). They are increasingly AA'ing their way into jobs and lawsuiting their way into a boring working and hostile work enviornment.

On the other side, you have men entering predominantly female areas (and due to their reactions, doing well). I would think feminists would be screaming in joy. But no. They want their cake and to eat it as well. Just like parenting. Just like child custody. Just like women's clubs on campus. Just like everything else.

Feminism is the true hate movement. It's just so ingrained in our society at this point that nobody sees it

rhinestones · 2012-05-23T01:05:00+00:00

Another spin on what's ours is hers and what's hers is hers.

drinkthebleach · 2012-05-23T02:07:03+00:00

I love how the sexism they cite is that the men are promoted faster.

Better start slacking off at work, don't want anyone to think I'm sexist.

TerriChris · 2012-05-23T00:15:22+00:00

Additional evidence feminism is not about equality.

qwerty133 · 2012-05-23T01:18:18+00:00

Every time I think feminism can't get any more abominable it does. That someone would call a shift towards equality a "glass escalator" and talk about it as a bad thing bad thing because it represents a minority (men in female-dominated professions) getting marginally closer to parity with the entrenched majority, is despicable. These people are the modern day equivalent of Apartheid supporters.

Spenzo2006 · 2012-05-23T03:43:23+00:00

This is the same person that wrote an article about men being "afraid" of successful businesswomen. My respect cannot be divided finely enough for her to receive any.

8echos · 2012-05-23T07:16:50+00:00

Can we consider the article's original title (A New Obstacle For Professional Women: The Glass Escalator) for a moment? The "glass escalator" mentioned by Forbes staff writer Jenna Goudreau is referring to a term used in this study, which examines under-representation and discrimination against men in female-dominated fields (troublesome caption statement, but should be of interest here). Read Ms. Goudreau's article and you find that although this glass escalator could be an obstacle for women, it does not describe phenomenon as a new sexism used against women- as the OP's title would lead you to believe. However the study finds that it may be a result of sexist (er, stereotypical) attitudes towards men. Fancy that.

rhinestones · 2012-05-23T02:08:37+00:00

The problem is feminists continue to leave out information.

This article is another example of how feminists say that "Women are being payed less" but fail to go into any detail as to why that's happening. Not one place in the article did it mention why this is happening.

In fact, the whole concept of a "glass escalator" fails to take the performance of women in the workplace versus performance of men in the workplace into account. It simply states that men are being promoted more than women.

Yet the sad part is people will read this article, and believe that discrimination against women is going on.

The only way to have equality and justice on this issue, is to pay people based upon the performance they give.

Samislush · 2012-05-23T10:07:18+00:00

I watched a TV show following some nurses around a hospital, only one was male, he happened to be the senior nurse. However, all the other women working there had families and / or were part time, whilst he was full time and did not have a family to care for. Perhaps this is why men usually get promoted faster than women in these sorts of jobs? I have no statistics whatsoever on this and I'm purely speculating, but I imagine it's not as black and white as the Forbe's writer thinks it is.

jaxiak · 2012-05-23T02:10:24+00:00

Goldberg attributes the glass escalator, in part, to women’s increased likelihood of experiencing “career interruptions,” like taking time off to care for children or aging parents. At the same time, stereotypes about men and the characteristics of strong leadership work to men’s advantage.

Nice switch there.

UnoriginalMike · 2012-05-23T03:02:25+00:00

So, because women are being welcomed in male dominated fields, and men need a place to go so they can afford child support, alimony, and subsistence it is sexist. It all makes so much sense now!!!

justaverage · 2012-05-23T03:42:24+00:00

So while there may be less than 5% of all nurses who are male, you see a much larger percentage than 5% in senior-level positions like hospital administrators.”

How many nurses have risen to Hospital Administrator? My guess would be very few. I would say most Hospital Administrators are former doctors, a primarily male dominated profession.

I couldn't continue reading after such a bullshit line. What other gems did I miss?

FlightsFancy · 2012-05-23T04:16:56+00:00

so I guess young women outearning young men isn't enough, and women getting more degrees than men isn't enough. They wont stop until every man is digging ditches.

Like_400_Ninjas · 2012-05-23T02:57:21+00:00

I was actually thinking of going to college and studying to be a nurse....male nurse...MURSE.

I must be very sexist, how dare I pursue a career that is largely dominated by females. I don't think I even need to attend college, according to these feminists all I have to do is show up, show my penis to everyone then collect my degree. Boy golly I sure do love white privilege.

GENDER POLICING

thefran · 2012-05-23T04:43:25+00:00

You officially can't parody feminism anymore.

skidude2000 · 2012-05-23T02:58:42+00:00

The author argues that it is only due to stereotypes that men are promoted more to managerial positions than women. However, most successful men have to live up to said stereotypes, if they even exist. If they don't fit the stereotype, they do not succeed. So such men are not longer a stereotype of a good leader, they are good leaders. So her point is....?

babno · 2012-05-23T07:38:36+00:00

For those that can't read, they aren't upset that men are entering the careers, but because they receive faster promotions than women, as shown by statistics like while in the medical field, 5% of the nurses are men, while 25% of hospital administrators are men. They claim this is due to sexism, which may or may not play a role (some of the disparity is due to the tendencies of the choices of women like child birth and time off for the family, but it's unclear how much).

Breadbasketcase · 2012-05-23T03:52:33+00:00

I'm not so sure the anger is valid. The article simply pointed out that men in female-dominated professions often achieve greater success faster than the women that represent the majority of that profession. While I'm not sure this whole "glass escalator" idea has any merit, if we were looking at the exact same statistics (men in female-dominated areas doing statistically better than in male-dominated areas) but from the other side (women doing statistically better in male-dominated areas than women in female-dominated areas) I'm not sure we wouldn't be jumping to the same conclusion. The article is mostly postulation and probably nonsense, but why are we so quick to point out how it proves all feminists hate men.

douglasmacarthur · 2012-05-23T11:28:23+00:00

Breaking: Something happened. Men are to blame. Women are the victim. State coercion is the solution.

SenorSpicyBeans · 2012-05-23T04:47:37+00:00

Sounds to me like nobody is accounting for the fact that maybe men are better at these jobs than women.

Generally people who are promoted faster and paid more are people that are worth more.

FlightsFancy · 2012-05-23T05:11:17+00:00

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ExpendableOne · 2012-05-23T12:41:44+00:00

Is there anything in this world that feminists can't spin against men?

2012-05-23T12:47:22+00:00

Actually I'm really proud of men that don't hold to the old stupid stereotypes that "Men can't be nurses" and the like. Women are fully capable of performing at the same level as those men. I don't see what they're crying about.

Edit: And I love how they always fail to take into account how men statistically push for more promotions and higher salaries via negotiation. Nothing wrong with a woman doing that, they just tend not to. Maybe they need to hop on the damn escalator.

Belgian_Rofl · 2012-05-23T07:42:24+00:00

The historical difficulties for women's success in the workforce are well documented.

Oh really? See, here I thought that when working was manually intensive women didn't want the jobs. I guess I was wrong in thinking that women working is only possible through the progression of technology taking the manual out of labor, and that women must have been lining up in droves for coal mines and field work.

Silly me. /s

Soapz · 2012-05-23T09:45:23+00:00

Men doing anything is sexism? This is news to me.

jay76 · 2012-05-23T02:17:23+00:00

I don't think that the author is saying that it is sexist. She is making observations about how the social factors that might lead to men gaining better positions in male dominated jobs can carry over to female dominated jobs. She points out how this may have a detrimental effect on womens progress, but that, if true, is just statement of fact isn't it?

Are we saying it's sexist because those notions of what makes a manager are untrue? Or is it the fact that she is viewing men as a negative influence on the power women hold in these jobs?

MRMRising · 2012-05-24T00:34:48+00:00

Research shows that men in female-dominated jobs tend to fare better even than men in male-dominated jobs, and they typically earn higher salaries, receive more promotions, and achieve higher levels within organizations than their female counterparts.

WTF, we are supposed to apologise for being good at what we do? The only thing that matters is that nobody is being descriminated against. Hold on, wait a minute, oh thats right, its men who are being descriminated against via Afirmative action.

Sarstan · 2012-05-24T09:04:44+00:00

It'd be nice to see more women entering male dominated fields. Like construction, truck driving, oil field laborer, overnight store or warehouse worker.

AryoBarzan · 2012-06-06T09:39:23+00:00

I want to give a personal 'thank you' to everyone that responded to this delusional feminist. Excellent responses, makes me real proud to be a member of /mr :)

Mitschu · 2012-05-23T04:00:20+00:00

I want to know where this elevator is. Maybe it's because my penis is small, but I've never seen it. I've certainly never taken a ride on one.

Stratisphear · 2012-05-23T06:08:20+00:00

It makes sense that men would be promoted faster. Male nurses tend to be laughed at. If you're going to go through that, you must want it, and therefore work harder at it.

PoppaGriff · 2012-05-23T04:02:09+00:00

This article makes me think of a pure genius, Bill Burr.

2012-05-23T04:06:35+00:00

It's never enough for some feminists. A lot of them have no limits as to what women are entitled to.

This video by girlwriteswhat explains one of the major reasons for the differences in pay and promotions between men and women (even within the same field).

alecbenzer · 2012-05-23T04:37:59+00:00

Has anyone in the world ever heard of correlation doesn't imply causality? It's ridiculous to see this kind of "statistically women do worse in jobs so obviously the PATRIARCHY IS OPPRESSING US" reasoning.

Epoh · 2012-05-23T07:28:07+00:00

The superficial media hubs on each side of every spectrum will always spread their bullshit because they have the means of doing so to get their cheese. Whatever that cheese is. The truth is these things dont matter, because it is only a big deal to the people who carry the bias, so fuck their 'insight' and fuck them. - Bigender global citizen.

ThePigman · 2012-05-23T11:25:46+00:00

"Research shows that men in female-dominated jobs ...typically earn higher salaries, receive more promotions, and achieve higher levels within organizations than their female counterparts."

Anything they can do, it seems, we can do better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEWIvnZaZOU

Seriously, this is why the traditional division of labor is a case of chivalry -- it allows women to feel needed by excluding men from certain workplaces. Once you do away with that division, women become the also-rans in just about everything except breast-feeding.

neofool · 2012-05-23T03:57:56+00:00

Men chase money. Nursing pays and more and more men are going to start entering the sector to make a good living for themselves. What's really funny is that many of the male nurses I've known have experienced affirmative action due to their gender.

puppetry514 · 2012-05-23T11:14:37+00:00

Do you think there is some "affirmative action" at play here too? Men in the "women's jobs" get promoted to attract more men to these jobs? I mean if we really want gender equality all jobs should be equally attractive to men and women, that would be one way to bring men to the "Women jobs".

Coming_Soon · 2012-05-23T02:24:02+00:00

I'm probably going to get killed for this but, at least in teaching, guys are sometimes promoted/ employed over women purely for being male. If you don't want women to get promotions just for their gender, you shouldn't want or cry sexism for the reverse being pointed out.

This article went about it the wrong way- it shouldn't focus on just men getting promoted. No one should be promoted for anything but their skills and worth.

2012-05-23T17:09:48+00:00

Goldberg attributes the glass escalator, in part, to women’s increased likelihood of experiencing “career interruptions,” like taking time off to care for children or aging parents. At the same time, stereotypes about men and the characteristics of strong leadership work to men’s advantage.

This is total bullshit: Men are responsible for biology except when it benefits women. As for aging parents it's made to seem as though either men don't care or men don't have aging parents either...

Doctor_Loggins · 2012-05-23T00:31:29+00:00

Oh man that sounds like a pretty rough article, I should check it out.

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Title	According to feminists - more men entering female dominated professions is new sexism against women
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Date	May 22, 2012 11:23 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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