What does the 'AF/BB' theory have to say about the 'Orgasm Gap'?

NockerJoe · 2022-10-31T19:50:09+00:00

You're assuming that this is all gonna be casual sex and one night stands but in my experience the more common scenario is either a situationship or a long term relationship with someone she likes enough to ignore all the red flags in. That or if it was a casual hookup theres no reason they wouldn't just keep hooking up unless they had a reason not to.

The switch isn't having hundreds of partners to demanding monogamy. Its usually one or two shitty ones they make excuses for until it ends, and then their next dude is super supplicating and gets no leeway because the shit dude they picked last time is taken as how all men are.

Stunning-Spirit5275 · 2022-10-31T23:47:47+00:00

If men in general are poor at making women climax, wouldn’t it be more logical for a woman to hook up with an attractive man and take her chances, rather than entertain an unattractive man to begin with ?

techr0nin · 2022-10-31T23:26:55+00:00

There are also studies that say women are more likely to orgasm with partners that are more attractive, and studies that say women’s orgasm frequency increases with the income of their partner. So basically it’s just that women don’t orgasm as often as men no matter what, but they’ll be more likely to do so with high SMV men regardless.

xzpw · 2022-10-31T19:39:38+00:00

Just cause they’re attracted doesn’t mean it’s gonna be super easy to climax. Most women don’t get off without clitoral stimulation - if chad decides he doesn’t want to provide that (and many women act helpless and won’t initiate taking control of their own pleasure) then women are not gonna climax that often.

The other thing is that it’s very mental for many women and they’re not great at climaxing with new partners even with proper stimulation.

Women go for the guys thinking it’ll be different every time but are constantly getting thrown mediocre sex. It’s exactly in line with the narrative of AF/BB tbh. Chad pumps n dumps and leaves women getting nothing. She ends up going to the normie and gets more satisfied but is left with a lingering desire - for it to still be Chad that pleases her.

I’m not huge on the af/bb narrative completely btw.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2022-10-31T20:11:18+00:00

It’s simple. Women are actually more likely to orgasm with highly attractive, masculine men. (To increase the chances of getting impregnated with the Alpha’s seed) Therefore the orgasm gap could be viewed as both a confirmation of AF/BB, and also a confirmation that most relationships are actually BBs…

h1shman · 2022-10-31T20:33:49+00:00

Most of my causal hookups were drunken, barely enough room to move, or rushed, and most often in my early days with women who were barely hot enough to have sex with so I had little concern for the woman’s pleasure as I was struggling to orgasm myself.

I am a single anecdote but I don’t think “fucking down” is anything other than very common for young men.

2022-10-31T23:05:32+00:00

It sounds like women are making choices in how and who they hook up with that leads to them having sex lives that are full and yet unfulfilling

caption291 · 2022-11-01T06:56:01+00:00

I think women are bad at sex and more precisely bad at communicating what they actually functionally want clearly. Over the course of a relationship there will be a mix of her slowly opening up more and the guy having enough time to figure out the things she hasn't communicated properly. In a hookup there isn't enough time for either of those things to happen.

Also, Chad isn't trying to keep the girl, he's trying to get off and for that purpose she is extremely replaceable. Which means that he doesn't have an incentive to make her cum and she will be even more reluctant than usual to openly communicate what she wants because she's focused on trying to keep him, not getting off.

Women don't engage in AF/BB by choice, they are trying to achieve AF/AB but failing the AB part.

And finally, because hookups generally happen in less optimal circumstances for practical concerns. Like you're more likely to be under the influence, more likely to feel more pressure due to it basically by definition being a rare event, more likely to be thinking about the potential consequences of the hookup on your reputation or relationships etc...

In a relationship a lot of those kinds of concerns that can get in the way of having a good time are going to disappear.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-10-31T23:46:33+00:00

This only proves that high n women are full of even more shit; relationship sex is more likely to be rewarding sexually. Casual sex for women is used as a means to try to lock down a higher value partner.

wtknight · 2022-10-31T20:20:25+00:00

What's the AF/BB take on this?

Women do it for validation first and foremost, and second because deep down unconsciously they have a hope that said guy will potentially be a good relationship partner, or at least a FWB partner, who will care about treating her well and giving her good orgasms.

A lot of women won't admit this because they don't like to view casual sex as anything but "empowering" and "fun". Also, some women do have orgasms frequently with casual sex, as your statistics do suggest, so for these women there is no real harm and only a benefit to having casual sex without expecting commitment so long as they do it safely.

Sad_Top1743 · 2022-10-31T20:04:14+00:00

Guys who fuck down aren’t putting in effort so it’s ridiculous that women expect that. Women are already getting a bargain by hooking up with someone out of their league, an orgasm is simply asking for too much

Arrathall · 2022-10-31T19:46:10+00:00

There is a small issue with the orgasm gap theory

Men almost always orgasm.

With men the difference is, is this orgasm maintenance wank, or 2 minutes of out of body experience. Its massive of a difference when women generally dont have a lot of those low tier maintenace wank orgasms.

So the difference lies there.

No-Rough-7390 · 2022-10-31T19:39:49+00:00

Here’s my thought:

The orgasm has 0 to do with the impetus to lockdown the best deal possible. Because, as you said, if they can lock him down, the Os should come anyway too correct?

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2022-10-31T21:15:42+00:00

The Orgasm Gap is a byproduct of evolution. Male orgasm is intrinsically linked to impregnation where as the Female orgasm is not.

So, men who can reach orgasm easier, more frequently and with a wider selection of women are able to pass on their genetics, presumably those genetics play a role in male sexual response.

Hence you see the monolithic block of male orgasm frequency and ease at achieving orgasm.

Some women orgasm from vaginal intercourse and the theory is the distance between the clit and the canal plays a role. Also, the research shows that partner size plays somewhat to almost no role in her orgasm.

Other women report almost no orgasms to the point they don't even orgasm when alone with toys.

Even in Lesbian relationships the orgasm gap exists in relation to male orgasms.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-10-31T19:51:18+00:00

Per one of the theories, female orgasm developed as means to increase chances of getting pregnant from the chosen partner, when having sex with multiple.

For that to work, "normal sex" should normally not lead to orgasm.

I would also want to see the source for 79% figure. The studies I've seen (provided, they were a couple of decades old) were showing much more drastic gap.

If only penetrative sex was counted, women were orgasming several times less than men. Oral/other stimulation boosts it drastically.

Relative_Bee8356 · 2022-10-31T20:17:44+00:00

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Anykindofland · 2022-10-31T21:58:51+00:00

Are the women just misguided into thinking the 'cock carousel' will be more satisfying than relationships and they keep on riding it anyway despite not getting much out of it because they've been conditioned to be sluts or something?

Most likely they are using sex as a tool to lock the hot guy down. Which doesn't work since Chad as options and can quickly find someone new who tries the exact same strategy with him.

4ifbydog · 2022-11-01T04:58:42+00:00

Worldwide most women of any age are looking for the right man to hitch up with before the dreaded time comes of not being able to have children. Therefore they are forced into alluring as many men as possible before reaching this looming time of when it will become very difficult to have a family without an enormous outlay of money. Simple Evolution & Darwinism tells us this As we age, our field of opportunity dwindles drastically. No man alive knows how strong the desire for a child becomes when a woman reaches 30. (I do. ) therefore women will put up with any lack of sexual prowess in order to meet and hangout with as many men as possible. If they are married, they will lie and go back on any prenuptial agreement they made. If they’re single or lesbian they go to the sperm bankThey will even cheat on their spouse and/or spend their lifetime savings for IE tx or for adapting a baby…Compared to all of that, how much trouble is it to fake an orgasm?. ……….yes, some women don’t want babies but they’re the exception that proves the rule Same reason why men fight with each other and are generally more controlling than women: simple biology.

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hypotenoos · 2022-10-31T20:26:09+00:00

Being attractive doesn’t mean you have any clue how to actually fuck.

2022-10-31T22:51:59+00:00

It’s because those women don’t understand that their orgasm is their responsibility. So they place the blame on men. We don’t expect women to make men orgasm. Men orgasm because the skin on their dick creates the friction it needs.

Philip8000 · 2022-10-31T23:15:58+00:00

For men, orgasm is a lot easier and straightforward. For women, it can vary between a simple matter to something all but impossible.

Like anything else, there's a learning curve attached to it and every woman's body is different. A true boyfriend's more likely to engage in communication than a casual partner, not to mention there's an emotional component to it as well. The majority don't orgasm from vaginal sex alone (A minority do)

Ok-Cupcake-2854 · 2022-11-01T04:05:16+00:00

ok so women should stop having casual sex then right?

What does the 'AF/BB' theory have to say about the 'Orgasm Gap'?

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You mean, constellation, that leads to the "lesbian bed death"?

Title	What does the 'AF/BB' theory have to say about the 'Orgasm Gap'?
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