Everyone’s talking about the rise of male loneliness but not the huge decline in testosterone levels which could be a major contributing factor. So what’s the solution?

MidoriEgg · 2023-10-19T14:57:17+00:00

What’s causing this? Is it poor diet? Lack of exercise? Not to go all conspiracy theory, but I think the artificial chemicals in our food are having a bigger effect on us that most realise.

leosandlattes · 2023-10-19T15:27:36+00:00

Obviously, start injecting bull semen right into those eyeballs.

But for a serious answer, I've noticed that most women to some degree do like a certain level of traditional masculinity, which is different for all women. Some women like a stereotypically masculine physique but prefer an equal distribution of labor in their relationship and don't care for the provision aspect. Some women don't have a preference on the tall/bearded/muscular look but do like when men take initiative, such as planning and executing dates but not necessarily paying for them. Some women like complete provision and protection. Some women like a combo, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. But all women agree that they don't want controlling assholes.

So to which extent of masculinity are you talking about? Do you think that men need to embody a certain kind?

platinirisms · 2023-10-19T14:40:17+00:00

This is largely due in part due to 70% of men being overweight or obese, smoking less, and having less manual labor jobs and more sitting on computers 8 hours a day jobs.

Plus, athletes breaking world records these days have less testosterone than their weaker slower counterparts generations ago, so there’s no clear “more testosterone = better” correlation. Testosterone is important to a point, then anything after that is just unnecessary excess.

There is no testosterone epidemic, there’s an epidemic of unhealthy fat men that haven’t used their muscles their entire lives.

Icy-Sprinkles-638 · 2023-10-19T18:18:03+00:00

No more processed garbage. To undo the damage one must build their diet based on real whole ingredients. We're talking buying raw meats and veggies and starches and actually cooking them at home. Cut out the HFCS and the seed oils and the soy derivatives in fucking everything. And yes, this means none of that bullshit fake "meat" that is being pushed so hard by the powers that be. Want to be vegetarian or vegan? Beans. All the beans. Not soy shit.

The other part is men are too sedentary. You have to get up and move around at least a little bit every day. Use those muscles, even if it's just going for a walk. But sitting on your ass all day every day? That does horrible things.

So basically as usual when you boil the answer down to a single sentence fragment you get "modern 'progressed' society is the problem". Funny how many of society's problems come down to the results of the deliberate changes pushed by so-called "progressives", ain't it? Broken homes, broken economy, broken people, all the results of "progress".

macone235 · 2023-10-19T19:04:58+00:00

Lower t levels have nothing to do with hypergamy. If you raised them, then competition would just be stiffer (and possibly more brutal). It's honestly probably a good thing that men are sitting at home playing video games instead of trying to kill each other over a girl.

Plus, T levels will naturally rise anyways the less men are having children.

Such as blaming women, stinginess when dating(unable to provide, unable to protect women who are in danger, not pursuing online or irl and highly emotional.

This has nothing to do with low T. This is just stating facts and holding women accountable in a terrible marketplace for men. People like you who think men are sacrificial lambs for women's pleasure need to be called the fuck out. There's nothing masculine about paying for dates for a 304. Actual masculine men aren't glorified bitches that play the feminine and masculine role. They lay down the law and enforce it.

WanabeInflatable · 2023-10-19T14:45:26+00:00

Speaking about "feminine" and "masculine" energy makes me cringe.

Also there is common misunderstanding about impact of testosterone. Naturally low testosterone and deviation from personal norm are different. Only the latter impacts libido.

illusoryfindings · 2023-10-19T14:51:31+00:00

Masculinity is tricky these days because a lot of typically masculine traits are being branded as toxic in mainstream discussions. I'm not talking about actual toxicity either, people behaving poorly is obviously toxic, I'm talking about basic traits like boisterousness, competitiveness, assertiveness, high libido, being pragmatically interested in things and outcomes, as opposed to people and emotions.

The culture in the west at the moment has a lot of positive messaging for women, and a lot of negative messaging for men. Pillers on the sub will screech at you all day about whether this is a good or a bad thing, but ultimately this disproportionately affects young people because this is the environment they're growing up in, it's the world around them.

So not only do you have low test levels like you mentioned, due to all the estrogenics around us and poor lifestyle choices, but you also have a culture that looks down on the traits most young men have in some form or other.

To anyone who can see this, it becomes glaringly obvious why figures like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate rose to prominence, there's a big void in young men's lives to seek guidance in a culture that's so dismissive of them. But Peterson is an emotionally unstable drug addict, and Tate preaches a message of brutality and ruthlessness.

Good male role models are one potential solution, however the ones that gain mainstream cultural approval typically preach the same feminized message young men have been hearing all their lives, so it doesn't resonate with them. Anyone who's actually willing to discuss men's issues is usually attacked for it.

We just need good fathers, but looking at the state of things right now, that's a tall order.

wtknight · 2023-10-19T16:38:51+00:00

It’s probably mostly a sedentary lifestyle, although environmental chemicals play a part. As for what should be done about it, try to eliminate those chemicals in the environment and encourage men to be more active?

Electronic_West_1831 · 2023-10-19T15:40:22+00:00

Do you have a source for any of this?

tadL · 2023-10-19T15:42:18+00:00

Start smoking. 15% more for free

Independent-Mail-227 · 2023-10-19T16:06:27+00:00

Woman having a different water supply and treatment so they don't pee estrogen in the tao water.

norihitodesuga · 2023-10-19T16:42:06+00:00

I've personally never thought about or cared about my testosterone levels at all in my life. All I know is I like doing physical activity and have (what I think to be) a higher sex drive than average. Aside from that, I'm not really competitive, and mostly chill and laid back. So for me, as long as I'm healthy, happy, and sexually active, I couldn't care less what my "t levels" are. And generally, my desires are met.

ThorLives · 2023-10-19T17:01:56+00:00

It's worth pointing out that chemicals affect women's sex drive as well.

Women who had higher BPA levels reported less satisfaction with their sex lives. Source: 1:27:00 https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE

Barrett 2014 Environmental exposure to di-2-ethylhexyl phthalate is associated with low interest in sexual activity in premenopausal women https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20459714-barrett-2014-environmental-exposure-to-di-2-ethylhexyl-phthalate-is-associated-with-low-interest-in-sexual-activity-in-premenopausal-women

januaryphilosopher · 2023-10-19T19:51:35+00:00

To choose to pursue the goals you set for yourself and stop blaming it on your testosterone, for a start.

TotalTravesty · 2023-10-19T14:45:36+00:00

Well I would start by seeking out medically valid resources if you’re genuinely concerned about your testosterone levels. Your favorite podcaster and the axe-grinders on Reddit are going to be pulling scientifically dubious nonsense out of their asses that’s going to do nothing but cause you unneeded stress.

Then hopefully these smart resources will tell you there’s no causation between loneliness and fucking testosterone and you can continue to enjoy your life.

Safinated · 2023-10-19T14:40:46+00:00

Obviously, in your world, the solution is testosterone supplements

In my world, this is not a problem, because I don’t believe in simple, singular explanations and solutions

grillopie · 2023-10-19T14:30:15+00:00

Uh can you substantiate this? Im not aware of the healthy benchmark changing.

I really, really dont think testosterone contributes to stinginess or magnanimity.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-10-19T15:48:39+00:00

Women being repulsed by feminine energy in this generation, they are starting to go for older men or staying single bc they yearn for men with healthy masculinity rather than being with a man who has the opposite.

Such an over simplification. Women are staying single because they don't need men any more. They have careers, lives, hobbies, travel, luxuries, investments, etc. They have complete lives outside of just sitting around and keeping a house. The world has opened up for them. They don't need to settle down. Their shackles came off, they are tasting freedom.

While us men were really shackled to the idea of needing women. Now they don't need us anymore so alot of men just feel lost in the sauce.

I'd tell that little doof to go outside and get your weight up.

Cool_Relative7359 · 2023-10-19T16:02:10+00:00

If you actually listened to women you'd know none of your post is why men are struggling to date.

MSHUser · 2023-10-19T15:04:50+00:00

I eat meat regularly and exercise pretty regularly. These are 2 things that are scientifically proven to increase testosterone levels. But that doesn't make me any more masculine than i am now (and am mostly coming from a feminine leaning 50/50 energy). This is just my personal experience so it is pretty anecdotal. But if more t level = bring more manly, then I probably should've been behaving differently by now.

Workaholiconew · 2023-10-19T16:24:30+00:00

lets be real here,

The actual thing is that low testosterone causes lower sex drive and higher social orientation...

A less masculine man is an issue because he doesnt shut up and pursue sex like others... they care about meaningless things such as validation and love...

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AceOfSpadesGymBro · 2023-10-19T14:46:03+00:00

Logical-Confection-7 · 2023-10-19T22:54:05+00:00

This is funny because lower levels of testosterone may imply lower levels of obsessive lust, so more should be ok with “finding the right person”, which usually happens anyways. Also, how such a stupid presence evolved? To prefer to not reproduce rather than reproduce with a man of lower levels of testosterone when there is nothing else bailable sounds so stupid. How such a trait could possibly get Dixie’s onto a population?

captaindestucto · 2023-10-20T10:25:09+00:00

maybe it's that fewer young men are willing to risk creep shaming asking women out, or being called chauvinistic by assuming a traditional role in relationships. Gen z is economically f*cked, nobody can afford a house, many are living with parents into their 30s. For men that means they can't perform the masculine role of provider any more.

It wouldn't surprise if it was the social environment that was lowering testosterone.

El_Don_94 · 2023-10-20T21:16:32+00:00

What solution would you give to men who lacks healthy masculinity that women desire the most?

Ignore women's opinion on the matter; especially people who talk about dumb stuff like gender energy.

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