Can you provide actual examples of what you guys claim to be the bluepill ?

flakybottom · 2024-04-23T06:44:48+00:00

For me, the bluepill is when people apply the Just World Fallacy to dating and relationships. Hardworking, good people succeed and lazy, awful people don't. The world doesn't work that way though.

one_time_animal · 2024-04-23T06:57:11+00:00

Pretty much every romantic comedy or media aimed at children or teens with a male protagonist.

Guy that is poorly socially integrated and weak thinks he's entitled to the hottest girl in school
She dates the biggest mean guy at school. Somehow this isn't a reflection of her character as often she's somehow oblivious to the guys only personality trait of being a douche. The mean guy is good at sports
Nerdy guy gets involved in something esoteric and becomes really good at it
This esoteric thing that he becomes good at brings him and the girl together somehow
Being really good at the esoteric thing actually doesn't matter to the girl.
She suddenly realizes the douchy mean guy that's good at sports and tall and built is actually a douche and mean all this time! So she breaks up with him.
She gets together with socially poorly integrated guy, but it's because of his moral character and not because of the esoteric thign he's good at now...which makes you wonder why we even neeeded the story at all because surely she would have left douch sports bro at some point and gotten together with "good guy" who has no talents or abilities but has the right 'viewpoint' on the world

And what's blue pilled about that?

The belief that women are attracted to anything other than the traits defining basic hierarchies. The guy in the middle of the pack lusting for the hottest girl in school even though he's not physically that attractive, isn't strong, isn't wealthy, doens't have solid future prospects
The belief that A.) strong people are 'evil' and B.) that women aren't attracted to guys that bully or throw around their social weight, which is often backed with physical dominance.
The rejection of traditional pathways to becoming attractive. This is a result of recognition of the gap between oneself and the ideal and the recognition that one probably can't surpass those at the top of the hierarchy. If you're 5'9'' you'll never be the alpha chad of a group of 100 men. Never (unless you're in india other short areas). Also the cowardice and fantasy belief that something, oftentimes something literally fantasy, becoming a superhero, will allow you to circumvent and elevate above the traditional hierarchies.
Paradoxically they need to believe that some sort of change in the status quo will bring them and the girl together. I guess this is how they reconcile the girl not being with them in the first place, because bullshit thing X had to manifest first
The girl is pure and good and only cares about personality and how she's treated
This step typically allows the girl to retain her purity. She is loyal but she was being foooled or this time douch sports guy went way too far.
It's the inversion of morality as described by Nietzsche, basically. When someone is unwilling to accept that they are weak they start calling the strong evil. 'Good' should be more strongly associated with how the Greeks used it. If a cup is well formed and a transfers liquid to your mouth without spilling, and fits right in the hand and insulates well, well, it's a good cup. We have all sorts of sporting events to determine who is 'good'. We have all sorts of academic events to determine who is 'good'. We have all sorts of economic opportunity of which those who manage to take advantage of have done a good job, have a good job. Men can be good providers. And what blue pill people want to do is look for the ways they can weasel into a girl's interests without having to be 'good' themselves. Note I do have a lot of sympathy for male east asians, south asians, living in the western world. You guys are so fucking small. You evolved in a different part of the world and are now crossing 10s of thousands of years of evolution to liver here and it's unfairly maligning you.

Cactus2711 · 2024-04-23T08:03:20+00:00

‘Happy wife, happy life’ is a classic example

Believing that you can negotiate desire by doing chores, buying flowers, opening doors etc

Believing that women are pure, sweet, innocent, loyal, honest, princesses

Believing the ‘wage gap’ exists because of gender

AdEffective7894s · 2024-04-23T13:47:28+00:00

Very few posters have inspired the feeling of revulsion in me that you have..

There is a sliminess, the kind of feeling you get from money lenders abd lawyers with no moral center.

You will just go ahead and be bad faith because you can troll the Pillies.

I don't have the time to demolish you, I am trying to make something off my loser self at the moment.

But when I have the time I will adress you purile bullshit..

SecondEldenLord · 2024-04-23T08:39:19+00:00

What annoys me about bluepill is that they think all you have to do to get women is to just be a good person amd you will get women and that is the worst advice ever. Just being good won't get you women and you can clearly see that when women are attracted mostly to adsholes.

SpareSpecialist5124 · 2024-04-23T11:09:43+00:00

Red pill is mostly about analysing the dating and relationships dynamics, what women are attracted to, and how that influences their choices and the outcomes of relationships, from successful marriages to dead bedrooms, and the underlying women's "psyche" that determine how they see their partner.

For example, things like hypergamy, women will often tend try to date above their class and looks match, get screwed by the chads they're attracted to in their young years, accumulate baggage, and then date wealthy simp providers in order to marry, sometimes deceiving them and making them raise childs from the alphas she cheats on him with.

Blue pill, is naturally the rejection of redpill, or at least being "oblivious" to it, the rejection that such patterns exist, and the rejection that there are "evolutionary" reasons for the pattern in what women are attracted to, the rejection that there are primal instincts that are important in how women are attracted, and that those overpower the things that we're commonly told by our media and peers.

So, examples of blue pill are pretty much everywhere, they're the stuff that fails to analyse dating dynamics, selling men and women a set of fallacies about love and relationships that very rarely true.

In reality the dominant asshole will be swimming in a big pool of women attracted to them, while the kind hearted shy guy doesn't at all and is probably a virgin.

In reality, women often have a dual mating strategy, they'll secure an husband for money but often cheat around with "attractive" men, and the order of that doesn't really matter.

In reality, women will 100% filter men by looks, and you being the best guy in the world is mostly irrelevant if you don't have looks or social presence to impress her.

And like those, there are many things that the red pill analyses, which are often true to some degree, and the rejection of redpill, is just how most of the "politically correct" world thinks and sells dating and relationships.

MikeArrow · 2024-04-23T11:06:11+00:00

I feel like it's when people go "there's nothing wrong with the dating world, everyone I know can get into relationships just fine??".

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ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2024-04-23T11:37:35+00:00

I tend to look at "blue pill" as merely another euphemism for "political correctness" (or sometimes known as "woke").

h1shman · 2024-04-23T15:44:21+00:00

Listen to women in street interviews answer questions like “what do you look for in a guy”

In the position of a street interview, that question will usually incentivized women to virtue signal. You’ll get the common I want a nice guy who’s kind, funny, smart etc.

IMO redpill/blackpill ideas are becoming much more mainstream. A lot of the shit redpill was saying in 2010 are now just common sense in the dating world (using your tinder 1st and 2nd rule as and example). I think it’s pushing Redpill to the extreme as there are really few truly blue pill left. Humans love group membership and Redpill has to move more extreme to stay separate.

Westernation · 2024-04-23T11:01:43+00:00

People don’t like to admit they’re shallow, opportunistic and hypocritical.

izzzy12k · 2024-04-23T07:44:46+00:00

Accepting the offer of "We can be friends" by a woman who just rejected your advance.

And then become that guy she goes to for favors and what not. Yet, it never goes anywhere.. and you are cool with that.. Hoping that your efforts will eventually be acknowledged.

Charming_Review_735 · 2024-04-23T12:16:45+00:00

Bluepill is to relationships what naive set theory is to mathematics

Redpill is to relationships what Russell's paradox is to mathematics

Purplepill is to relationships what ZFC is to mathematics

babazuki · 2024-04-23T07:40:43+00:00

No. Because it doesn't exist the same way Red Pill does. Red Pill and Blue pill are not even the same conversation.

A man could ask "How do I get a lot of women to like me so I could have sex with all of them?" Red Pill has some suggestions. Blue Pill says "No, don't do that. You're a misogynist" Not answering the question. Different motive, different conversation.

There are no Blue Pill podcasts giving relationship or dating advice. They are all just making fun of Red Pill.

It doesn't exist and you're asking other people to tell you what you think.

Necessary-Ask-3619 · 2024-04-23T09:57:32+00:00

When women have their party phase in their 20s, feel a desire to settle down (family, kids etc) as they reach early 30s so she goes for the type of guy she never would have given a second look during her party phase.

The blue pill would say he is the lucky one because she chose him over all the other guys. He should be grateful as if she is the prize.

The idea that genuine desire can be negotiated is another blue pill narrative. A man says his wife doesn't want to have sex with him, the response is maybe she isn't doing enough around the house, not communicating, not planning date nights etc. As if she doesn't have physical needs and he needs to do things for her to make her want to fuck him.

Thinking calling men "You are not a bf material. You are a husband material" is a compliment.

The idea that as women age, they mature and as a consequence, what they are attracted to changes (usually said to convince the beta buxx that he is desired)

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Witty-Respond3636 · 2024-04-26T14:41:50+00:00

Viagra

Unfinished_user_na · 2024-04-23T05:51:51+00:00

There aren't any because no one is saying any of those things. As you said, it's a straw man. I think there is also some misunderstanding (whether that's intentional or not) on the red pill side that adds to it.

The real blue pill is literally just people are people, and each individual has their own preferences and doesn't act in some predictable manner in accordance to the laws of their gender.

But the blue pill is framed as the opposite of the red pill. Therefore to the red pill it must be the opposite in every way. The red pill is full of misogynistic rhetoric. When they say derogatory things about women or dictate what women want or what women do as a general statement about all women. Blue pill argues against them. Because we didn't agree that all women are a homogeneous mass and are to blame for men's problems, it must mean that "all women are angels"

The red pill argues that you have to look a certain, specific way to attract women, blue pill argues that different women have different taste. Because we didn't agree that every woman on earth is lusting after the same man, it must mean that we think "looks don't matter at all".

The red pill is all broad strokes and generalities. The blue pill is all in recognizing that generalizations don't work. However, because they think in generalities, they apply the same broadness to arguments the blue pill makes, and turn arguments for individuality into arguments that apply to entire genders. Not all women blank translates to all women don't blank to them.

The final disconnect is that red pill is a short term results oriented thought process. It is meant to be a means to an end. If I do this and this and then women will want me and I'll get laid. Blue pill isn't that sort of results oriented philosophy. It's not a guide to get laid or to pick up women. It's a lot more "just don't be an ass hole". It doesn't have an end game besides not being an ass hole. No one arguing from the blue pill is saying anything is a guarantee to get any one laid. But it does set a foundation for an actual healthy loving relationship IF that presents itself.

It's literally like two different languages.

CraftyCooler · 2024-04-23T06:50:46+00:00

Tbh - what redpillers present as bluepill is rather a set of their own naive views that they should abandon at the age of 12 and instead they realize how the things are at 25 and become disappointed that dating is pretty harsh for men and that no one told them these obvious things that it's mainly about looks. This disappointment leads to bitterness towards women - and tbh i can understand them, it's hard to like the group that is rejecting you constantly, but on the other hand - they quite often look ok but their failures are due to self-sabotage.

Puzzleheaded_ghost · 2024-04-23T05:41:25+00:00

Destiny has blue pill opinions IMHO. He has my sympathy in other matters and debates us redpillers with some decency

DarayRaven · 2024-04-23T12:50:34+00:00

Bluepill in it's purest core definition is the social/cultural ideas you were fed about men/women since you were a child

From what your parents,teachers,culture indoctrinated you to believe and this can be anything

You can be bluepill but think looks are super important or money or whatever, it's not about what women find attractive

The idea is you go with what the mainstream says, if the mainstream says xyz about women and you naively/ignorantly believe it, your essentially bluepill

drok007 · 2024-04-23T12:57:59+00:00

Blue pill is an enforcement of collectivist altruism and belief in human neurological uniformity through sexual sameness. This is the opposite of the red pill which believes in egoist individualism and a default to the sexes being different.

KayRay1994 · 2024-04-23T13:31:58+00:00

There is no such thing as “the blue pill” - more often than not it’s a caricature created by the red pill to legitimize itself. Of course, some men do legitimize that caricature, ie. nice guys, men with no self respect, male feminists, etc - but more often than not blue pill means “not redpill”

WANT_SOME_HAM · 2024-04-23T16:16:37+00:00

Basic social skills.

Empathy.

A sex life.

januaryphilosopher · 2024-04-23T05:47:30+00:00

Red pill ideology (and black pill if you think it's something different) is wrong. Actually, that's the only blue pill belief as it's defined in opposition to the red pill. You can believe that women are completely evil and be blue pill (e.g. many Bible bashers). You can believe that looks are crucial and be blue pill (e.g. many members of r/vindicta). Or you can believe something else and still believe the red pill is a load of crap.

Title	Can you provide actual examples of what you guys claim to be the bluepill ?
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