How about the right in law to bodily integrity at birth while we're at it

No_Leather3994 · 2024-10-07T22:48:35+00:00

The fact there is a law purposefully targeting men and singling them out is the biggest counterpoint to those who believe in male privilege

rabid_god · 2024-10-08T03:04:59+00:00

This is a fine example of how any two people can put their heads together and come to a conclusion about something for which neither are experts nor have all the data and then share with everyone how they've solved a major problem. It's not just Harris and Cooper that do it. But in this particular case it is.

Draco877 · 2024-10-08T05:21:35+00:00

Might be state law but in my state a married man can't get a vasectomy without his wife's approval. There's an example for them.

BelCantoTenor · 2024-10-08T09:26:28+00:00

All men who were circumcised as an infant, without consent, have now entered the conversation.

Attorney4Cats · 2024-10-08T00:44:39+00:00

Uh - THE DRAFT. Men are required to sign up for the draft and go to war. Women don’t have to do that.

CompetitiveOffer5339 · 2024-10-08T01:46:28+00:00

Dude just asked if she would just make the draft more inclusive. She hit him with the, “What rights are men missing?”

SidewaysGiraffe · 2024-10-07T23:05:59+00:00

In fairness, male genital mutilation isn't given the government power to make decisions about a man's body; its legality is exactly the opposite.

That doesn't mean it's not hypocritical on top of being an assault his own rights (an 8-day-old boy is not a Muslim, a Jew, or indeed a part of ANY religion, organized or otherwise; he's a baby), but parents doing terrible things is parents doing them, not the government.

AbysmalDescent · 2024-10-08T03:21:27+00:00

Any kind of forced labor is a decision made about a man's body, because all labor has a cost to the body. Alimony and debtors jail are decisions that have a toll on men's bodies. Even the social expectations placed on men to pay for a woman's way, which in turn necessitate additional labor, also have their own toll on men's bodies.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-10-08T05:16:14+00:00

Yes, put two or more women together, and watch them delve deeply and exhaustively into the problems faced by men, tirelessly debating the issues until they feel they can offer some progress towards resolution. Not.

So, Kamala and Alexandra "took a moment to consider...."

Surprised they spent so long on it.

omegaphallic · 2024-10-08T01:44:52+00:00

Yeah that was a huge screw up by her.

Lasttoflinch · 2024-10-08T04:51:27+00:00

Castration (both physical and chemical) for sexual offenders. As far as I'm aware, female offenders are exempted.

AndreasDasos · 2024-10-08T03:34:29+00:00

All this tells me is that Alexandra Cooper is an idiot

LopsidedDatabase8912 · 2024-10-08T10:21:35+00:00

The more women are congregated in one place, the less of their brains they're able to use.

ljstens22 · 2024-10-08T12:59:23+00:00

I believe in male reparations. Until the number of combat casualties is 50/50, only women should get drafted. Then we will achieve true equity! (tongue in cheek)

RealStarkey · 2024-10-08T11:03:17+00:00

Past the draft, every time a woman decides to have the child without his consent, this becomes a form government control for over a man’s body.

Family courts can force you to stay in your job or throw you in jail if you don’t.

jjlikenoodles321 · 2024-10-08T03:12:16+00:00

The draft?

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-10-08T07:42:44+00:00

Conscription? The Government’s right to send a man to his death

Igualdad23M · 2024-10-08T11:48:39+00:00

Men's body is not even a thing. It is not considered a political concept. Men's bodies have been used as tools because since "it doesn't exist" men can't make any political demand about their own bodies, so society can do anything to their bodies.

Women bodies are worshipped and using them as tools is just unthinkable.

Medium-Good633 · 2024-10-08T12:55:58+00:00

Its actually scary how blinded these feminist are

z770i1 · 2024-10-08T13:10:58+00:00

Circumcision? Aka mutilation and the Draft?

p3ngwin · 2024-10-07T23:59:07+00:00

1) circumcision. AKA male genital mutilation

2) reproductive rights E.G. a woman can birth, or. abort, a child 100% without the father's permission.

I have no idea why "getting someone ELSE to perform an abortion on YOU" has anything to do with "a woman's right to HER body ??

if you want to abort a baby, go ahead, grab that coat hanger, it's your body do what you want with it.

But you don't get to force OTHER people to perform a service for you, that's called slavery.

using their reasoning, why isn't any other "healthcare" considered "body autonomy rights" too ?

In the US 1 Million abortions are performed almost yearly:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/19/1238293143/abortion-data-how-many-us-2023

Key facts about abortion include:

Women in their twenties accounted for more than half (57%) of abortions. Nearly one-third (31%) were among women in their thirties and a small share were among women in their 40s (4%) and teens (8).
More than half of abortions were among women of color. Black women comprised 42% of abortion recipients, 30% were provided to White women, 22% to Hispanic women, and 7% were among women of other races/ethnicities.
Many women who sought abortions have children. Approximately six in 10 (61%) abortion patients in 2021 had at least one previous birth.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/key-facts-on-abortion-in-the-united-states/#Who-gets-abortions

In 2022, 817 women died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 1,205 in 2021, 861 in 2020, 754 in 2019, and 658 in 2018 (2). The maternal mortality rate for 2022 decreased to 22.3 deaths per 100,000 live births, compared with a rate of 32.9 in 2021.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2022/maternal-mortality-rates-2022.pdf

So ONE MILLION abortions each year, but less than 1,000 babies endangered the mother.

The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year.

https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(96)70141-2/abstract#:~:text=RESULTS%3A%20The%20national%20rape%2Drelated,result%20from%20rape%20each%20year.

I'm pro-choice, because i believe people should be able to pay for whatever product, or service, they can afford, but i'm against this childish attempt to fashion abortion as some kind of human right, as if it has anything to do with "body autonomy".

ONE MILLION women a year don't NEED abortions, they WANT abortions to get rid of the responsibilities of their poor planning when they had sex. How is that "body autonomy" and how is that "a right to have an abortion" just because you made your own mistakes but don't want follow through and be responsible for the child you made ?

If a woman can have an abortion for a child she doesn't want, men should have every right to have a "financial abortion" not to fund a child they don't want too. Where is the man's "body autonomy" ?

If a man can't force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want, but he does, then how are women able to force a man to financially support a child he doesn't want born ? These women are the ones who also demand "equality", except when it means they lose privileges and have equal responsibilities.

This is why women, and feminists organisations have fought reform bills for child support, family law, child custody, male reproductive rights, alimony reform, etc because equality looks like oppression to the privileged.

lightbenderfm · 2024-10-08T14:13:48+00:00

I am pro choice but this argument is wrong, and even if it wasn’t wrong it’s a shitty argument.

Unable-Choice3380 · 2024-10-09T00:12:10+00:00

Circumcision. It should be outlawed. Then you will have a law like you want.

Imoldok · 2024-10-07T23:40:55+00:00

So nobody has said both yet?

abarua01 · 2024-10-08T09:26:28+00:00

I tried to look for this tweet and couldn't find it

MovieENT1 · 2024-10-08T02:19:18+00:00

They also forgot about mandatory vaccines for a ton of jobs. Men didn’t get out of that. Men didn’t get “bodily autonomy” with that.

2024-10-08T00:39:44+00:00

Why is a woman supposed to be allowed to murder a man’s kid?

Salamadierha · 2024-10-08T01:57:57+00:00

To be fair, she probably believes she's telling the truth, she's not the brightest bulb out there.

2024-10-08T04:30:13+00:00

I want abortion rights for women, especially when it critically endangers the woman at risk.

This however feels so blinded or onesided.

hudibrastic · 2024-10-08T07:20:29+00:00

Don’t we also had compulsory vaccination not so long ago?

PeonSupremeReturns · 2024-10-08T02:20:12+00:00

Is A and B a choice?

Gunda-LX · 2024-10-08T05:50:12+00:00

Except declaring war I guess but that’s state affairs

elebrin · 2024-10-08T13:41:28+00:00

None that matter anyways.

How much you wanna bet we end up on the ground in both Israel and Ukraine and have to draft young men to make it happen? Don't get me wrong: I'd be willing to fight to defend my family and my town. Maybe my state. But those things aren't remotely at risk.

rel4th · 2024-10-08T17:35:39+00:00

I think Kamala thinks that if she continues to believe what she says, it becomes true

random_sm · 2024-10-08T18:37:30+00:00

Nobody mentioned pension here? In many countries you need to work more years for pension, compared to women. Not sure how it is in the US.

OpinionatedDad · 2024-10-08T19:55:09+00:00

The point about laws affecting women’s bodies in the U.S. is valid, particularly regarding reproductive rights. However, there are also laws that affect men’s bodily autonomy—one prominent example is conscription (the military draft).

Conscription as a Legal Obligation Men in the U.S. are required to register with the Selective Service System at age 18. Failure to do so can result in penalties like fines, imprisonment, or loss of federal benefits. While the draft is not active now, the law mandates that men could be conscripted if needed. Women are not legally required to register for the draft, highlighting a gender-specific legal obligation that impacts men’s bodies.
Involuntary Bodily Control When the draft is activated, men are legally forced to serve in combat, risking their physical well-being and lives. This is a clear intrusion on men’s bodily autonomy, as they have no choice but to comply or face severe penalties. The consequences of conscription—injury, trauma, or death—demonstrate how the law controls men’s bodies.
Psychological and Physical Consequences Historically, men conscripted into wars have suffered severe physical and psychological impacts, such as trauma, PTSD, and long-term disabilities. The law’s control over their bodies has left a legacy of suffering that is often overlooked in discussions about bodily autonomy.
Historical Examples

Vietnam War: Millions of men were drafted, and those who refused faced imprisonment.

Civil War & World Wars I & II: Conscription laws mandated that men fight, resulting in widespread injuries and deaths. These instances show that men’s autonomy has repeatedly been overridden by the state, resulting in life-altering consequences.

Unequal Gender Application The fact that women are not required to register for the draft shows a disparity. Men are legally obligated to sacrifice their bodies for the country’s defense, while women are exempt. This demonstrates that legal control over bodies exists for men as well.

In summary, while laws impacting women’s bodily autonomy are significant, men also face legal constraints, particularly through conscription. Historically, laws have forced men into dangerous and life-threatening situations, showing that bodily autonomy issues are not exclusive to one gender.

Marvelous_dahhhling · 2024-10-08T06:19:07+00:00

Kamala Harris has somehow achieved the impossible feat of being dumber than Sarah Palin.

Proverbs_31_2-3 · 2024-10-08T06:45:04+00:00

You mean the right to not be aborted? That sounds like a good one.

Top_Row_5116 · 2024-10-08T05:26:35+00:00

Wow... I was gonna vote for Harris too. Why did she have to make it about men vs women with an argument that is the stupidest and most short sighted that one could make in her position.

Massive-Word-5067 · 2024-10-08T02:19:44+00:00

Both . . .

ZealousidealChard574 · 2024-10-09T01:07:34+00:00

She lied abt celebrating Kwanza she’ll schpiel abt anything which is way worse than trump bc trump has white lies she manipulatively lies

Lexers624 · 2024-10-08T00:09:20+00:00

The more reasons to be very vocal for not voting for her, discouraging people from voting for her, and steering voters to "the other guy".

Fun_Routine_6548 · 2024-10-07T23:56:59+00:00

This woman just wana ruin América.

SexyFenchMan · 2024-10-08T18:25:39+00:00

This is sick! She’s crazy!

SomeWomanInCanada · 2024-10-08T18:30:39+00:00

She’s both.

random_sm · 2024-10-08T18:53:40+00:00

Link?

2024-10-08T20:05:17+00:00

Both answer are correct. This world is just sad and pitiful thank you my generation sadly🤦🏻‍♂️🔫

After_Fix_2191 · 2024-10-08T23:42:08+00:00

There's a very huge one that the government tells a man what you can do with his body it's called requirement to register for selective service and the draft The fuck is she talking about.

parahacker · 2024-10-08T23:59:52+00:00

When were these tweets, and do we have a link to them?

Timing is important context, here.

Throwaway26702008 · 2024-10-14T17:08:09+00:00

Could you post this in my sub?

r/mensissues

Its goal is to highlight men’s issues constructively and I think this would be a great post to do so.

fanatic26 · 2024-10-07T23:10:33+00:00

so you are blaming the government for parents CHOOSING to circumcise their kids?

Must be rough going through life with no critical thinking skills

Title	How about the right in law to bodily integrity at birth while we're at it
Author	True-Lychee
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Date	October 7, 2024 10:39 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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