Women: “we decide your SMV not you!” Meanwhile the general public lust over objectively frightening men like Pete Davidson, Robert Pattinson & Jeremy Allen White, and the fact that these men are completely lacking in charisma or personality discredits that followup argument

Throwaway26702008 · 2024-12-04T23:56:04+00:00

Go outside

Routine-Present-3676 · 2024-12-05T00:08:24+00:00

Are you trying to debate that women don’t have the right to decide who they’re sexually attracted to? Individuals actually do determine the SMV of others because that's not something that can be objectively measured. It's just personal preference.

I’m really confused by the point you're trying to make. Are you just upset that these women don’t share your sexual preferences for other men?

Several_Stuff_4524 · 2024-12-05T00:09:01+00:00

"Objectively frightening" what? Robert Pattinson and JAW are model hot lmao.

fucksiclepizza · 2024-12-05T00:01:00+00:00

Its almost like women have different taste in men than you do OP.....wait...not almost, women DO have different taste in men than you do.

AlmostKindaGreat · 2024-12-05T00:15:57+00:00

Women do decide men's SMV. And we determine theirs. (If we're talking about hetero people, of course)

Also, you apparently don't know what's hot, at all. It's a good thing to figure out, for your own benefit.

apresonly · 2024-12-05T00:15:59+00:00

What’s frightening about Robert Pattinson? Bc he played a vampire in twilight? That’s obviously not real.

fiftypoundpuppy · 2024-12-05T00:00:43+00:00

The fact that you, a straight man, disagree with the SMV assessment of certain men by straight women is not evidence that disproves the basic logic of how desirability works

As I've said before, there's never been anyone who said "that's our most popular item! Hardly anyone ever buys it." Whether you personally buy it or not has nothing to do with the fact that it still sells out.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-12-05T00:18:16+00:00

Ok I’ll ask:

What is the SMV for each of the dudes named.
And I don’t mean “who they dated” What’s the number?

After all of you gonna talk about SMV like an expert it should be easy to quantify.

So go;

MyLastBestChance · 2024-12-05T00:21:32+00:00

Here’s the thing, if nobody desires you, you are, by definition, undesirable. It really doesn’t matter what your mom says.

Women have different types that they find attractive of course, but if most or all women find a man unattractive, he really is unattractive.

As an example, the subset of women who are going to be interested in a 34 year old, 5’8, 185lb balding mushy man with a dead end retail counter job, an absolutely miserable, bitter attitude and a lot of “sour grapes” hostility towards women is vanishingly small if it even exists. That’s the kind of man that we can pretty much all agree is simply not an attractive option in any way shape or form. You not liking that is immaterial.

There are other men who may not be classically attractive but are so attractive in other ways that they garner the interest of many women. You not “getting it” is also immaterial.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-12-04T23:59:27+00:00

Pete Davidson is adorable, how is he lacking in charisma? maybe men can't see male sexual charisma

Lovers691 · 2024-12-05T00:10:48+00:00

If all of those men are ogreish, I am a literal ape. All those men were at least a 5 and had fame and success, while Tatum, Lautner, Patterson were all 7s in their prime even Davidson was very tall and had rumours of a huge cock

Xeltar · 2024-12-05T00:07:10+00:00

Touch grass, OP

twilightlatte · 2024-12-04T23:56:44+00:00

They are not lacking in charisma. You lack the social hardware to tell who has charisma and who does not.

Sillysheila · 2024-12-05T00:10:22+00:00

I don’t think anyone decides SMV, man or woman, but I just think people also have different preferences.

I know that I disagree even with some women here about what celebrities are attractive.

thotisms_speaks · 2024-12-05T00:22:13+00:00

If the general public lusts over a certain person, that person cannot be "objectively" undesirable.

jtinian · 2024-12-05T01:49:10+00:00

The men that you think women should find attractive aren't lining up with what women in general are finding attractive. If your goal is to be attractive to women, then maybe find out what specifically it is about these men that women are finding attractive instead of suggesting that they might be "wrong" or "contradictory".

RelevantJackWhite · 2024-12-05T03:40:53+00:00

Women: “we decide your SMV not you!”

“CIS men trying to tell women what is attractive”

“you’re prob not as desirable as you think”

you've heard women say this? because imma be real, i've never heard a woman use the term "SMV" in real life. none of these sound anything like any women i know would say to a man, in fact.

Even the more traditionally attractive men they deem sex symbols are strange looking or deeply flawed.

Many of the people we consider "hot" are not perfectly symmetrical. That goes for women too, we just don't see it as often because of makeup. Look at Selena Gomez, her eyes aren't quite symmetic. Gal Gadot's mouth is asymmetric. We apparently enjoy a little variety between both sides of the face, regardless of what the lookmaxxing crowd would have you believe.

ConstantCode8637 · 2024-12-05T04:12:32+00:00

None of these men appeal to you the way they do to women because you are a hetero man

I don't understand what the problem is. Men all the time on this sub complain that women Chad chase, are only into looks, and want the 666.

But now, here you are judging women for being attracted to men who you deem ugly. Doesn't this just go to show that mens' SMV encompasses more than looks.

All of the dudes you mentioned have talent and are charismatic

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ScoopTroopcopiesthat · 2024-12-05T00:24:36+00:00

What exactly do you think SMV stands for?

Sexual MARKET VALUE.

Houses in North America are built with twigs and cardboard. Extremely overpriced. The market decided they cost an arm and a leg. My subjective perception of the value hardly changes anything.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-12-05T00:34:04+00:00

How is Robert Pattinson not objectively handsome? Who DO you think is an attractive man?

JonMyMon · 2024-12-05T00:34:20+00:00

These men are pretty hot tbh

MongoBobalossus · 2024-12-05T00:40:15+00:00

Your examples kind of prove that women set male SMV.

serpensmercurialis · 2024-12-05T01:16:32+00:00

Meanwhile the general public lust over objectively frightening men like Pete Davidson, Robert Pattinson & Jeremy Allen White,

There is something completely hilarious about someone saying any of those three men are objectively frightening. In what universe bro? Wait until you see what people on British TV look like if you think those three are nightmare fuel.

and the fact that these men are completely lacking in charisma or personality discredits that followup argument

Pete in particular has a lot of charisma and personality. He's a comedian, after all. I thought Jeremy had good performances. Haven't seen much from Robert Pattinson.

Ironically, Jeremy and Pete both have one thing in common that makes women consider them attractive that is related to their charisma: line cook energy. If you know, you know.

Kat_ri · 2024-12-05T02:58:10+00:00

It sounds like someone explained it two different ways and you just refuse to believe them.

MikeArrow · 2024-12-05T00:12:01+00:00

Respectfully, all of those guys are in excellent physical shape. That's all you need.

Appropriate-Fold-485 · 2024-12-04T23:55:51+00:00

What does SMV mean

krayon_kylie · 2024-12-05T00:49:04+00:00

how the fuck are a goofy bpd comedian with a big dick and a very good looking but british nerdy guy with awkward charm.

"objectively frightening men"

lmao?

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Mountain_Sand3135 · 2024-12-05T00:15:44+00:00

I dont think we can say that mens SMV should be same as a woman...even the men you listed all have what women desire clout, wealth or power...those three things are ALL attractive and looks will get you the cookie but to get what you claim which is high SMV its the three things that matter most.. A "ogreish" man if he as those three things will trump a good looking man that lives in moms basement, most of the time.

So woman want different things than men when it comes to SMV....all good in my book

VividlyDissociating · 2024-12-05T00:35:01+00:00

pete davidson is considered charismatic by many. i dont see it. i cannot stand his stand up comedy. but maybe that just comes down to taste, personal preference.

ik very little about the last two

rustlerhuskyjeans · 2024-12-05T00:51:46+00:00

Aside from Tatum and Reynolds I’d bet most women swipe left on all the rest of your list if they weren’t famous.

lord-moo · 2024-12-05T01:07:49+00:00

At the end of the day, if one goes for the opposite sex the opposite sex decides your SMV. Whether it is gold-plated shit or shit-plated gold, they decide who they go after.

CherryPieAlibi · 2024-12-05T05:00:12+00:00

Women attracted to conventionally attractive guy

OMG ALL THESE SLUTS ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW HOT AND TALL A MAN IS!!

women attracted to unconventionally attractive/unattractive man

HOW CAN THESE DUMB BROADS BE ATTRACTED TO THESE UGLY FREAKS????

maybe just take a step into the sunlight, man.

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