Girl laments loss of her beta male friend & tries to shame all men into staying in the "friend zone"

karneadou · 2013-11-18T11:58:20+00:00

"Ted" just got crushed in this article.

This chic has some serious balls. To summarize her article: Alphas pound me. Betas (like Ted) have the pleasure of keeping me company because I am soooooooo AWESOME!

To "Ted" be patient. In 5 years you will run into her at some bar, take one look at her, and say "yikes, I was in love with that wrinkled up, dry, used up, out of shape, smoke smelling woman".

Ted, you are free. Now go out and enjoy your god given right to be a man.

semigod__ · 2013-11-18T10:59:22+00:00

If she falls on her face in love, she will turn to you, because she credits you as reliable and trustworthy.

its funny when you read it with a TRP mindset, the sentence sounds like this :

"When her exciting alpha fling dumps her, she will turn to you, because you are the boring beta provider who will always be there for her, even after she has been pumped and dumped dozens of times."

30303030303030 · 2013-11-18T13:27:31+00:00

tl.dr: me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me and me. Beta, why are you not a perfect ego enabler to me anymore?

Yes, we’ve disregarded you as a romantic counterpart in our lives. But what was truly so terrible about this?

What a selfish retard. This is ridiculous.

PictureTraveller · 2013-11-18T13:34:57+00:00

meanwhile if "Ted" ends up fucking a girl hotter than her she'd probably instantly try to destroy his relationship and make him cheat because she'd realise "I love him". If he stays firm with that new girl she'd try doing emotional blackmail and throw out ultimatums, stating it's insane for him to stay with that new girl when he could be in a couple with his "best friend", and concluding they probably aren't that close if he'd rather stay with a "skank" than her. (or some permutations of that)

VivalaVeritas · 2013-11-18T10:30:05+00:00

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EricTheRedd · 2013-11-18T11:32:31+00:00

I... hate this bitch. And I do not hate lightly.

mordanus · 2013-11-18T11:08:25+00:00

She lists a lot of things that he does for her and lists nothing that she does for him. It still amazes me how one sided the friendzone is. I think that the friendzone exists because women know that men make much better friends than women. The author of this even realizes this when she says "And let’s not forget, who didn’t have a vagina, so who was also drama-and-headache free for the most part?" We give friendship without all of the garbage that women's hormonal rollercoaster brings in. A guy friend is like a stack of gold to a woman.

Women have almost nothing to offer men in the nature of friendship. I have never had a woman tell me a funny or interesting story. If I was ever in a situation that I needed a friend for some reason I've never called a woman. In my experience they are friendship sponges. They soak it all up and give none back.

And as this post points out the worst way to go for a girlfriend is to go the friendship route. They suck at being friends and will just confuse and use you. If you use the "I'm so nice" technique prepare to fail.

jeebusthecat · 2013-11-18T13:08:33+00:00

The single best thing I ever said to a really hot girl that had me in the friendzone, the truth I want to fuck you and if we cant do that we can't be friends because thats always what's on my mind. We went straight to a hotel and fucked all night.

TRPsubmitter · 2013-11-18T09:57:27+00:00

So many tidbits:

not only would he accept me for my bad habits...the best part was, I had no solid commitment to him anymore, so the guilt I felt when these bad habits were manifested into words between us arose, it was, at best, minimal.

Why dress up for a guy who demands it if the girl gets all that attention from a beta who gives it freely?

We were so comfortable, and he made me feel so comfortable

Italics not mine. She emphasizes her own solipsism and selfishness here.

He’s like, he’s like, one of my girlfriends!...I mean, I love my girlfriends. They’re like my crazy, fun sisters, extensions of me. Ted was like that in my eyes, and then some. So what was the problem?

I guess even beta guys like Ted have their limit. Getting called an actual girl friend has to be one of them. Of course she is massively surprised and can't imagine what's wrong.

Yes, we’ve disregarded you as a romantic counterpart in our lives. But what was truly so terrible about this?...This is a total win-win situation for us!

I don't blame you actually...but I will sure warn other guys about it. Wake up, men.

If she falls on her face in love, she will turn to you, because she credits you as reliable and trustworthy.

Wow, what an honor...barf. Nah, I think I'll go smash some random pussy instead.

Her tone gets massively more condescending near the end. Basically, it's a shame-job telling men how lucky they are they can be. You can read it yourself. The comment section is predictably full of butthurts and girls shaming them:

So you want him to do everything a boyfriend does but without the boyfriend benefits, and now there is another guy who gets all the benefits and none of the duties... you think it's his fault?

Alpha fucks beta bucks

through_a_ways · 2013-11-18T11:56:22+00:00

It's funnier to read such articles

Even funnier to read the butthurt comments from betas

Funniest to see the strong womyn's comments defending the girl

Nobody knows what they're talkinga bout, it's like watching kindergarteners try to debate quantum mechanics.

ekjohnson9 · 2013-11-18T12:31:29+00:00

"Me,I, my, myself"

She sounds like a dream come true.

therandomthrowaway · 2013-11-18T16:20:28+00:00

This is tremendously helpful for anyone wanting to truly understand the redpill. Overcome your initial revulsion and see it for what it is: A woman who has been validated so much that she no longer has a sense of shame and shows what she truly is.

The part about her confessing her "secrets" to him, which is simply the things she does that she's ashamed of. Not doing the things she knows she should, and using food and drugs to self-medicate against even the slightest bit of emotional discomfort. His reactions to these "confessions" is to approve and soothe her ego. THIS IS WHY IT IS RATIONAL FOR WOMEN TO NOT WANT TO MATE WITH BETAS. She instinctively understands that this behaviour lowers her SMV, and because she's still young, being mated to a guy like this will lead to her continuing nasty habits that will make her fat, unhealthy and lacking in self control. She NEEDS a man who will call her on her bullshit and hold her to higher standards, especially while she's still young enough to potentially get another mate later on. She says that he makes her comfortable, but deep down, she knows she doesn't DESERVE to be comfortable, because her behaviour is fucking awful. She needs to be made uncomfortable, because she needs some major change in her life.

The part where she mentions that he doesn't have a vagina, so he doesn't bring drama into her life is a hint. She doesn't want your emotional bullshit. She wants you to be her rock, so that she can grab on when her torrent of emotions tosses her around every which way.

That's just the low-hanging fruit. There's tons more there to analyze, such as "no solid commitment to him anymore" and the other guy "semi-saw the sense" (he saw it completely) etc.

A masterclass in Redpill theory could be taught on this article, because the writer unwittingly reveals her true self completely. Without an Alpha to guide her, she is going to end up fat, drug addicted (to caffeine and nicotine if nothing else), emotionally unstable and completely incapable of taking responsibility for herself or anything else. The big problem for her is that no alpha NEEDS to do this for her, and I doubt any alpha will WANT to do that for her.

A "patriarchal" society doesn't seem so bad when a girl so clearly needs a man to basically be her father, does it? I'm sure that statement will piss off fems and bluepillers, so let's fucking see some girls turn around this mess of a human being. It's not gonna happen.

I hope someone submits this shit to Heartiste so we can see a full breakdown.

KublerRossWasWrong · 2013-11-18T13:11:48+00:00

Lies to her father, smokes 1.5 packs/day, closes down bars then chows down on nutritionally-deficient food, uses men for validation then wonders why they won't continue orbiting her after she flaunts her new fuck buddy relationship.

She sounds like a class act and a real catch. "Ted" needs to drop her like a hot brick and move on. Sounds like he's maybe on that track. I hope he follows through with it.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how big she is; what with all that fast-food taco stuff she's eating. Not that it matters, actions speak volumes.

roadywan · 2013-11-18T11:52:09+00:00

I don't see what's so difficult to understand about the idea of a man not wanting to orbit the woman he loves while she fucks other men.

2013-11-18T10:29:49+00:00

Now I know what you’re thinking, guys. You’ll just say, well fuck, that bitch is just selfish. Well, yes, maybe we are a little selfish. We do hog your time because we simply love your company. We don’t ask anything of you—no deadlocked commitment, no going half on the Plan B, nothing. We simply love your company.

Please replace the word "company" with the word "validation" in the quote above.

So like I’d tell Ted, instead of texting your lady friend mean and angry shit and ignoring her, which makes you appear childish and bitch-like, spend that valuable time and energy reflecting and then conquering instead. I don’t mean the ten minutes post-lifting you spend on secret, selfie-action in the bathroom mirror. [...] Tackle that ugly feeling you get when you’re mad at your friend because she is just trying to get hers with nothing but triumph; opt to come out on top—better, stronger, faster, leaner, meaner, unstoppable, unrestrained to being upset over one case of pussy.

Surprised to see that! Only redeeming part of the article.

Of course, she fails to realize that she and Ted were never friends. Ted wanted to fuck her, yes. But she was using Ted as the proverbial emotional tampon. She clearly and repeatedly expresses contempt for Ted beyond this recent fight, mean texting, and silence.

Someone that nonjudgmental, funny, witty, caring, and who spoils you with innocent compliments? And let’s not forget, who didn’t have a vagina, so who was also drama-and-headache free for the most part? Who in the world would want to jeopardize this relationship?

God damn. This is some curious shit. I mean, this girl literally just described why she is a shitty excuse for a friend.

PlanB_pedofile · 2013-11-18T16:06:43+00:00

Wow....shit....

The first part of this article she describes that best friend, boyfriend, partner, that sounds like every dream girl's fantasy of a healthy partnered relationship of marriage. .... but Ted is not her husband, he's her "girlfriend"

Then after she finds a new hookup, Ted realizes that he will never be that kind of man to this woman.

So she goes on and on about Ted but never seems to talk about this new boo she is seeing...... why? Because she's fucking an alpha.

She doesn't go on and on how this new boyfriend is a great friend, emotional supporter, nothing in the way she describes Ted. She hints at the boyfriend being that guy that just fulfills her pussy.

Poor Ted has to come to terms that this girl is on all fours getting a cock rammed into her while she's screaming how much she loves it, all from an alpha stud that wouldn't put in 1/4 the relationship value that Ted has.

Then at the end she advises the people like Ted to "alpha up" hit the gym ..... but still be around when she's done riding cock and wants a long term stable relationship.

LadyLumen · 2013-11-18T16:18:00+00:00

This article is so ridiculous that it reads like a parody from The Onion. I don't think this girl could sound more self-absorbed if she tried. She just names a bunch of the things he did for her, and then complains that he's not willing to stick around and be her compliment machine, when he's not getting anything in return.

I think this article provides a good lesson to guys though on what not to do.

College is when I gave up on trying to have straight male friends. When I indicated I wasn't interested in a sexual relationship, they disappeared off the map or kept trying. It was really a shame too because I have more male interests like metal music and playing RPGs. It's hard for me to find female friends, but I've finally found a few good ones.

I was sad for a while, but then eventually accepted human nature for what it is. Most of my guy friends now are exes, who parted on good terms or are friends of my boyfriend. I also have some great gay guy friends, who are probably the best of all worlds for a lady. They still have male interests I can talk about, but aren't interested in having sex with me. (I also contribute to my friendships with dudes, giving rides , buying food 50% of the time, asking them about their feelings).

Lesson for the ladies who want a guy friend, get a gay friend and be nice to them.

Lesson for the guys? I think it's probably good for guys to have at least one close, platonic female friend so they can learn more about women in a non-committed situation. But having more than one close platonic female friend will probably start taking your time away from getting laid/finding a girlfriend.

secularist42 · 2013-11-18T12:28:53+00:00

She rapes his time and is totally OK with it...what a delusional, entitled dummy.

Mouthpiece · 2013-11-18T13:03:05+00:00

Tackle that ugly feeling you get when you’re mad at your friend because she is just trying to get hers with nothing but triumph; opt to come out on top—better, stronger, faster, leaner, meaner, unstoppable, unrestrained to being upset over one case of pussy.

This part surprised me, coming from someone who could write the rest of that oblivious drivel.

browndelicious · 2013-11-18T15:38:21+00:00

Ted moved on. Smart man.

Rule: If you want to fuck a woman, don't try to be friends.

It's really that simple and it's important to make it clear to the woman (and yourself) as early as possible.

For me... the sticky part is when I haven't decided whether I want to have sex with a particular woman or not. I get enough pussy that I'm selective and sometimes, I just don't know until I spend a little time with a new woman.

And yet, the sooner you polarize, the better. It's frequently a conundrum.

Anyway, shout out of appreciation to TRP. I've had more sex, better sex, and way more fun since I stopped my beta orbiting ways.

2013-11-18T10:29:31+00:00

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MockingDead · 2013-11-18T16:06:50+00:00

So, toilet plunger in hand, I found it was some time for some serious self-reflection. They say self-reflection is the first step unto self-improvement. To understand something thoroughly enables you to come up with a thorough solution.

So you see, at 15 past 2 o’clock in the morning, I kept checking my phone. For a text, or rather, lack of a text, from one of my best friends. The cause of the lack of a text part will be explained in the following segment.

So you think of your friend Ted when you need somthing.

The cause of the lack of Text is Ted taking steps to regain his self-respect.

For the purposes of this article, we’ll call him Ted. Ted was, in essence, someone whom I truly loved and adored,

The unsaid rejoinder, understood by all red pillers and women is "when I needed something."

List of confessions

How I have no honor, no ability to function except on impulse.

Yesterday I lamented my lack of willpower. My contempt for her has caused me to revaluate it.

I told him all of this because I truly enjoyed listening to his witty and meaningful responses;

Because he was an emotional tampon you could use for validation and to ease your guilt at being a terrible human being.

We were so comfortable, and he made me feel so comfortable

As old as time Comfort with no attraction = friendzoned.

Who in the world would want to jeopardize this relationship?

Disingenuous or an idiot. I can't tell which one you are.

Well, was it really that bad to be at the subject end of comparison?

You just called him "dickless". What do you think?

I saw his point—but let me tell you, guys, there’s just no validity to your being well, crushed by it.

And there's equally no validity to you not sucking his dick, right?

Feels are feels. So come on, just the tip!

We both can just kick it now, be ourselves around one another, do the things we’re both not comfortable doing around our significant others yet,

This is not how being a man operates.

This is a total win-win situation for ~~us!~~ you.

FIFY. You get emotional validation and someone to unclog your toilet. he gets to masturbate and cry alone.

And you can’t blame us for making lemonade from lemons—you do the same in a situation where a potential win is on the horizon: i.e., when you see a girl who’s DTF and texting you drunk as shit on a Friday saying she wants to come over. It’s not scumbaggish, it’s simply called carpe-diem-ing.

Well this may be her most honest point. She's using him because he's DTC (down to care) and she's taking advantage of it.

We do hog your time because we simply love your company. We don’t ask anything of you—no deadlocked commitment, no going half on the Plan B, nothing. We simply love your company.

Contradiction, my time is my commitment. Also Plan B is on you, I got snipped.

And you love our company? You mean our labor. Didn't this line of hamsterign start because of a clogged toilet?

there’s nothing you should be mad about when it comes to your lady friend falling for another dude.

And there's nothing you should be mad and write a polemic about when you man friend says "fix your own damn toilet."

When my toilet is plugged, I don't ask my friends. When I have a flat, I call AAA.

You should, in fact, confront those shitty feelings you get when addressing your lady friend and her new boo, and question what makes you feel your position is somewhat threatened

It's not feelings of being threatened. It's called feeling used. And if your feels are sacrosanct, so are ours.

The reality is this bitch uses betas. And gets mad when they realize it.

nstead, learn to respect her decision and just work on you and closing that gap of uneasiness with an amazing new skill or furthering your knowledge on something compelling—even spend more time at the gym.

Now she's half honest again - become more useful to her to get her attention back.

So like I’d tell Ted, instead of texting your lady friend mean and angry shit and ignoring her, which makes you appear childish and bitch-like, spend that valuable time and energy reflecting and then conquering instead. I don’t mean the ten minutes post-lifting you spend on secret, selfie-action in the bathroom mirror.

Well, she's honest agin. ted should lift, learn a new skill, and withdraw from this cunt. And when she begs for him to return, he ought simply say "Nah."

I mean the real reflection you have to do with yourself when seeing your ex’s Instagram upload of her and her new man overpriced Minnie and Mickey Mouse ears at Disneyland.

Yes, that reflection is; "Holy Crap, I am being used. Fuck this."

meaningless solipsism and blaming

So she starts her reflection based on needing a man to fix her, then she turns it around into blame-shaming men. What a catch. Next.

alfabro91 · 2013-11-18T15:41:29+00:00

Its amazing how naive most women seem to be. I've never met a heterosexual guy who wanted to be "just friends" with an attractive woman. Men simply aren't programmed that way. If we were, our species would've died ages ago.

I suppose this is what happens when we artificially inflate female egos from the day they are born. "You should be thankful that I allowed you to spend time with me because I'm AMAZING, FUNNY and INTERESTING!" Sure you are girl.

pcadrian · 2013-11-18T13:18:01+00:00

Yes, we’ve disregarded you as a romantic counterpart in our lives. But what was truly so terrible about this?

This girl couldn't be any dumber.

2013-11-18T13:50:46+00:00

I hope Ted ends up banging entitled Kimrie's hottest friend.

neilmccauley1980 · 2013-11-18T14:59:26+00:00

I was initially infuriated at the woman while reading the article but I stepped back and saw this situation through logic. The woman is not at fault here. She is acting in a selfish way and that's their nature. You can't get mad at her nature. You're railing against nature and its always a lose situation. Only a fool rises against God and nature. Infact she should be lauded for her honesty. A destroying message would have been if she lied and wrote that she slept with her orbiters. This would have given the betas a false hope that their supplication is worth an effort. Her writing is encouragable. This way the bluepillers realize that all that spineless shit they do is getting them farther away from pussy and not closer. And nobody is in a better position to tell this harsh truth to them than the same women they worship.

2013-11-18T16:32:37+00:00

Christ. It used to be men getting shamed for being angry about not getting sex (that is fair enough), now he just wants to terminate the friendship because he's not getting anything out of it whilst putting so much into it. Imagine how much that must hurt him, hearing about what she gets up to with her new man, yet she expects him to unconditionally support her basically whenever she needs it-serious entitlement problems here.

2013-11-18T15:58:50+00:00

They say self-reflection is the first step unto self-improvement.

I love how she starts with this line, as if anything in the rest of the article even remotely demonstrates any kind of self improvement and not her blaming others for the problems she creates.

This is a total win-win situation for ~~us!~~ meeeeee!

FTFY

From here, she starts playing fast and lose with "we", meaning her and "Ted the bitch", and the royal "We".

We don’t ask anything of you

Except all of your time an attention. This entire article is her ~~asking~~ demanding things from Ted.

If she falls on her face in love, she will turn to you, because she credits you as reliable and trustworthy.

More of them not asking anything of the Ted's in the world, buy explicitly demanding that he be there, take her shit, and just be happy that she even talks to him.

They say reflection is the first step in self-betterment

Then why the fuck is she so incapable of it. Oh right, solipsism.

Fuck this bitch.

Satchmo84 · 2013-11-18T16:16:20+00:00

Props to the guy for refusing to be her beta orbiter. I love how people try to shame this. I recently had a girl I was trying to get with pull back and say she didn't want anything more than friends. I simply replied "I have enough friends, I'm not interested in you that way." She tried to discuss it further, but I cut it off. I heard through a friend of hers that she was lamenting this on facebook (I don't have one, so I can't check for myself).

Can you just imagine the article she would have put up if he had friendzoned her based on her list of shortcomings? It'd be "misogynism this" and "why can't he accept me for that" and blah blah blah.

2013-11-18T21:35:14+00:00

This is a pretty common thing for a girl to say. She basically said for Ted to "man up" and be there for her regardless of his emotions.

Good for Ted to take off. Take care of yourself buddy.

roadywan · 2013-11-18T11:48:58+00:00

someone please post her other articles i'm sure they are just as good haha

Vespaman · 2013-11-18T11:58:45+00:00

What's with her style of writing? There are a lot of similar articles about bullshit like this that has no value apart from giving her reason to talk about herself (and so that we can analyse redpilll theory). I find it all very annoying.

EarnestMalware · 2013-11-18T15:57:05+00:00

One interesting point: "You should, in fact, confront those shitty feelings you get when addressing your lady friend and her new boo, and question what makes you feel your position is somewhat threatened."

I wonder if she gives this advice to 40something women whose husbands leave to fuck younger women. She goes on to basically tell men to suck it up and self improve - I wonder if she'd tell women the same.

2013-11-18T16:54:06+00:00

What's funny is that she makes a good point in there with the drunk girl texting away at the bar: When you see an easy target, you take it.

If you make yourself a Slut for her time and company--or Time Ho as Patrice calls it---you're going to get treated like one. The Friend Zone is the female version of the Slut Zone for men.

The difference between us is that men don't rationalize our slut zone or try and make ourselves martyrs. We don't date sluts or take them seriously. Period.

hyorilee · 2013-11-18T17:06:13+00:00

Not surprised at all to find out that she's Vietnamese.

Speaking from experience and observation, I find that Asian girls are notorious for keeping armies of beta orbiters around.

GaiusScaevolus · 2013-11-18T18:40:41+00:00

If I could only tell young men one thing, it'd be this; Friendship and a Romantic relationship are two different things entirely. One doesn't lead to the other.

Also, this girl's solipsism and entitlement are off the charts.

SammyD1st · 2013-11-18T12:50:38+00:00

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fruitofmyloom · 2013-11-18T13:33:00+00:00

This girl has terrible habits:

Eating too much
Smoking
Irresponsible: can't even bother to get a $20 headlight fixed
Twitter (in itself not bad, but combined, fatality)

That's just the first couple of paragraphs. Does someone pay her for this?

2FAM0US · 2013-11-18T13:31:58+00:00

omg when i saw that photo on the bottom thats when i lost it hahahaha

thedarkerside · 2013-11-18T15:41:35+00:00

Hahaha, this is golden. A slight moment of self reflection (Yes, maybe we are a little bit selfish (ya think?)", and then it's all about me-me-me-me.

Oh I have been there: "Let me give you a list of things that annoy me about you and why you're not dateable, but let's be friends because I really enjoy spending lots and lots of time with you. What do you mean you don't? The guy I have a crush and rejected me, well, if he would offer me that I'd be all over that (sure you would be sweety)".

Thanks for the good laugh.

elegant_ejaculation · 2013-11-18T16:29:37+00:00

Her writing is terrible.

The_CEO_of_Beta · 2013-11-19T08:42:36+00:00

It was really painful for me to read this article because I was exactly in Ted's position long ago. Almost word for word. I made the stupider mistake though and stood around for her. Girls bitch and whine when the beta leaves when she finds an alpha, but I guarantee you 100% that they never once gave a thought to how the beta feels. I know how it feels, I lived it.

If Ted stuck around

I'll tell you what would have happened to Ted if he stayed, what happens to men who stay in the friend zone.

First, hanging out with her starts to suck. All she does is start fawning about the other guy, and wanting to talk about him non-stop when you hang out and it annoys you. She'll talk about places she's been without you, and talk about things he does and make you feel like you've been left out. Since you're a "nice guy" all you have to say is, "cool", while deep down inside you're being crushed.

Then she starts inviting him to hang out with you and her, and because you're a stupid beta, you say "sure". Then it gets really dumb, he's got him arm around her and they start doing PDA in front of you, grabbing/kissing each other and her laughing as he touches her all over, he wants to prove to you that he's got her and you're just the third wheel to their fun party. If you don't think they look at you and say, "Hah, I feel sorry for this guy. We got each other, and he's got no one" then you're stupid and naive.

Then she starts hanging out with you less, talking to you less, and only responding selectively to texts as she's busy sucking him off or riding his dick. All that time before when she was hanging out with you and you both enjoyed traveling and doing fun shit? Nope, now she's doing that with him. Now you're an afterthought. You're only called up if he's bored/busy of her and she needs desperate attention. You're just sealed in a backup jar until those days come.

She has a new toy now. If you think she wants to play with both the new toy and the old toy, you're fucking stupid. Do you still keep playing with your old worn out stuff when you got brand new stuff? No, old stuff gets thrown in a corner and forgotten. That's you.

So all the beta really is, is just a lap dog to her. If she really cared for him, she'll let him go. I haven't even begin to mention what's going on in the beta's psyche as all of this shit is happening.

Cyralea · 2013-11-18T13:43:01+00:00

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SwordfshII · 2013-11-18T16:59:12+00:00

Women want an emotional connection, men want sex.

I'm not giving them a connection without the sex

Archwinger · 2013-11-18T18:16:22+00:00

At the risk of breaking ranks here, a little bit, in this article "Ted" was the one that was wrong and stupid. If he was interested in this author (I can't imagine why - she sounds like an entitled priss, but whatever), he shouldn't have spent years hanging around her never trying to escalate, hoping she'd eventually...what exactly? Get drunk and initiate something with him because he'd been too much of a pussy to make a move? He was a bigger pussy than most of her girlfriends -- she was right to call him a girlfriend.

Yeah, the author is a manipulative slut for stringing this guy along to get her validation (we know damn well she can't have been completely blind to his desire), then jumping into bed with some other guy, then playing all self-righteous by saying her "friend" should just want her to be happy.

But "Ted" damn near asked for this. Who hangs around a girl he wants to fuck for an extended period of time and never makes a move? She didn't move on to another guy because she didn't know. She didn't move on to another guy because she evilly manipulated "Ted" into the friend-zone by stringing him along. She moved on to another guy because she doesn't want to get fucked by a pussy. Ted turns me off, too.

Vodkas21 · 2013-11-18T16:30:25+00:00

Ted was nothing but a time hoe. The article got me a little worked up how she shamed Ted by calling him childish and bitch like when he cut contact with her and how she fails to realise how hypocritical she is.

zesto_is_besto · 2013-11-18T16:31:36+00:00

So like I’d tell Ted, instead of texting your lady friend mean and angry > shit and ignoring her, which makes you appear childish and bitch-like, > spend that valuable time and energy reflecting and then conquering > instead. I don’t mean the ten minutes post-lifting you spend on > secret, selfie-action in the bathroom mirror.

Her advice for him to work on self improvement is, at least, good. He might be a little bit heart broken and acting irrationally. The way forward is for him to shrug his shoulders and move on to something better.

notthegigglestick · 2013-11-18T16:34:15+00:00

I hope Ted learns from this whole situation. If he does, he might end up being a much better man for it. At some point it will click, and he'll see that he's the one who got himself into this. Hopefully that time is now.

There is nothing wrong with being platonic friends with a woman. In fact, it can be very beneficial for you. The mistake is falling in love with said woman. It may not be the smoothest plan of action, but I'd much rather flat out tell her the situation. Best case? Girl sees you that way too. Worst case? You walk away. There really isn't a worst case here.

VZPurp · 2013-11-18T19:45:23+00:00

This made me laugh. I can't get mad at this behavior - that's how women typically behave when it comes to their orbiters and male "friends". Those getting mad upon reading were probably in orbiter situations, unknowingly failing shit tests and not making a move. Bought into the feminist rhetoric like most.

Can the faux friendship and start banging other girls. You'll get more play and she'll be jealous, so you'll actually have a good chance of banging her too.

If you want sex with women, you need to behave like a man who has sex with women. That means none of this friend nonsense unless that friendship includes alot of sex. So risk rejection early. You don't lose points by being bold, you get laid.

2013-11-18T20:12:52+00:00

Girls always say something like "being nice doesn't entitle you to sex!" Well you being nice doesn't entitle you to our time.

chessmonkey · 2013-11-18T21:10:53+00:00

that woman is a terrible writer.

da-way · 2013-11-18T23:52:25+00:00

Well that was quite a solipsistic rant but then again that was to be expected.

I do however find my self in the awkward position of agreeing with the sentiment of the female commentors. Hold your pitchforks please. This is not a bridge and I am not a troll. Remember, these girls know exactly what Ms. Kimrie Pham is talking about and have no idea why Mr. Ted is upset (Solipsism is one helloffa drug) and, if I am not mistaken, agree with the sentiment of Ms. Pham, that their relationship was "total win-win situation for us!". Never once having even thought about "Ted's" reason for the friendship. So we would do well to avoid that trap our selfs and step out of our own bubble of solipsism into the harsh glare of reality.

Now on to the part of this musing where I agree with the genetically over-burdened sex. "Ted" is wrong to be angry at Ms. Pham. When you get down to it, his anger, however genuine, is misplaced (through no fault of his own however). "Ted" has been sold a bill of goods that does not stand up to it's advertised value or function. He engaged in a transaction thinking he was buying a dog but getting a cat. He bought into societies contract with men: "Be loyal and valuable and you will get the girl who will value and respect you." Maybe so in decades past but this is the age of the slut-walk, feminism, jezzibel and facebook. Women have discarded their societal shackles and gotten shaming declared a hate-crime while men are only now discovering that they are bound.

But i digress. "Ted" is mistakenly directing his anger toward the object of his affection because he never took the time to verify the contracts authenticity. He negotiated with a third-party and then expected the deal to be honored by the unsuspecting Ms. Pham. She being a woman of some beauty seems to be unable to fathom that men do not approach the world like she does an ignorance of reality that "Ted" seems likewise oblivious to, leaving both parties unsatisfied with the whole situation. What is the moral of my musings you ask? Well:

You don't get mad at a dog for eating your steak, you don't get mad at a girl for friend-zoning you. It is up to you to make sure that your steak stays uneaten and your orbit is only around the sun.

With the continued growth of our fledgeling community I am optimistic that we shall have fewer "Ted's" and perhaps even fewer Ms. Phams

Good day Gentlemen.

un-coolmom · 2013-11-19T03:27:36+00:00

I stopped reading when she said she was cleaning the toilet with a plunger.

2014-01-22T08:41:38+00:00

Ted, if you're reading this, take the opportunity to plow a 4-5. You know that feeling of "I don't give a fuck about this chick" right after you nut? That is you all of the time now- don't fight it, embrace it.

You live that philosophy and the work will do itself.

FireSail · 2013-11-18T19:18:16+00:00

I blame Ted. He should have manned the fuck up. There's nothing wrong with platonic friendship, but if you want something different, speak up and don't go being a bitch just to please someone who doesn't reciprocate your feelings.

Clbull · 2013-11-18T19:51:55+00:00

Words cannot describe the stupidity...

chainlinks · 2013-11-18T21:31:00+00:00

That poor sap.

This is going to sound harsh (because it is), but all of the "Ted's" out there deserve it.

jmikolash · 2013-11-18T22:48:25+00:00

I need some fucking mind bleach after reading that shit

RichardCortez · 2013-11-18T23:37:38+00:00

the lady is crazy but she does make a good point, if its going nowhere, it aint worth your time.

AlmostRP · 2013-11-19T01:57:47+00:00

Those comments...

humpaa · 2013-11-19T03:44:11+00:00

LOL to answer this girl's question on why guys shouldn't just be friends is, "Guy friends are just everything better than Girl Friends"

Why waste time? unless she's related to you career-wise, or something you can get beneficial. There just isn't any point having regular girl friends, they are annoying and boring.

I rather play Vidya, lift-weight, and then go out pound some sluts like the one in the article rather than "stash joints" on a rainy day. seriously, girls literally think the stupidest things are fun.

2013-11-20T16:17:44+00:00

Jesus fucking christ, I feel I'm going insane reading this. Every fucking sentence derails itself.

johnnight · 2013-12-07T23:12:40+00:00

What? But why? We have so much fun! He’s like, he’s like, one of my girlfriends!

Lord have mercy on that poor chap.

P.S. I have not been called a girlfriend, but I was called "mother" when being protective of a young female. It was crushing.

Rafael-L-Smith · 2014-05-16T19:12:03+00:00

"This is a total win-win situation for us!" translation: "This is a total win-win situation for me!"

"Yes, we’ve disregarded you as a romantic counterpart in our lives. But what was truly so terrible about this?" - ask the woman whom hell hath no fury like

GridReXX · 2013-11-18T20:29:25+00:00

Ted is completely to blame in this situation.

Women treat all their friends the same. He doesn't get brownie points for "listening to her and being emotional support." ALL OF MY FRIENDS male or female are my friends because they let me vent and are emotional support for me as I am for them. I'm sure she was also his sounding board for his various problems. That's fair. That's friendship.

I really need guys to understand this. Women treat their male friends the same as we treat our female friends. Nothing she said sounded outlandish from a "friends" perspective. I have male friends. I act as their wingman for chicks, they help me vet potential people to date. We drink beer together and talk shit on people. It's a friendship.

If he wanted more he should have said from earlier on or at some point (it's fair to start of platonic and eventually find yourself developing feelings) "I think we clique well and I like you, as more than a friend."

At that point if she said, "I don't share those romantic feelings for you," then it would be up to him to end their relationship. And she would have the right to feel sad about it. The same way I would feel sad if one of my female friends decided to end a friendship with me over something that was out of my control. In fact this has happened to me. Found out one of my close female friends liked me in a way that I wasn't willing to reciprocate. I still wanted to be friends. She couldn't handle it. It sucked for both of us.

That said, he's totally in his right to end it if he can't take that. But he should have done it way earlier.

lasertits69 · 2013-11-18T15:08:35+00:00

You people are ridiculous. Ted didn't have the balls to make a move, so he got friend zoned. It's his own goddamn fault.

He didn't make a move, she wasn't interested, but she liked the guy and wanted to be friends with him. Again, his own damn fault for letting that shit happen.

If I get friend zoned, I make a decision about whether I want to be actual friends with the girl or if I just wanted her as a sex partner. If I decide I don't want to pursue a friendship with her, I break off social contact.

You guys are the guys who call girls who don't want to dance with you at the club bitches and lesbians, aren't you? God forbid any woman won't want to fuck you. It's impossible!

This isn't a red pill/blue pill thing. All men are blue pill and red pill at different times to different people. Being able to pull bar sluts doesn't make you god, you know.

diamened · 2013-11-18T14:07:42+00:00

Someone please tell me that this article is a poor attempt at humour...

Title	Girl laments loss of her beta male friend & tries to shame all men into staying in the "friend zone"
Author	TRPsubmitter
Upvotes	219
Comments	197
Date	November 18, 2013 9:48 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qvy5q/girl_laments_loss_of_her_beta_male_friend_tries/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/girl-laments-loss-of-her-beta-male-friend-tries-to.232428 https://theredarchive.com/post/232428

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