Do Tinder "experiments" actually demonstrate anything? If so, what?

philomexa · 2018-03-02T14:53:28+00:00

note: I'm posting this on behalf of a friend of mine ;) I don't personally care about any of this. Take this "experiment" as an example:...

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That's not sample size necessarily, but here from the original poster of the meme:

Ray's last name is Perr, for those wondering. I received 162 matches on 204 right swipes (swiping right only on 7-8+ women), although many matches came in after my initial swipe (I swiped first, then they swiped later) leading me to believe this number is a MINIMUM successful matches, and it's likely many more matches swiped right on me in the days following or would have without the profile suspension I have since obtained. The profile was suspended a day ago pending review. The last time this happened to my woman beater account, it was deleted permanently. I will check again on the profile in a few days to confirm my suspicions.

For those of you that are disappointed by the results, I urge you look as hard as you can into the results. An underage virgin inspired by Ray's... history insisted he take her virginity. Multiple models (the top tier of females) beckoned him over for one night stands, feeling confident in sharing their personal info with a self admitted criminal of the most heinous kind. Worst of all, females were down playing and trivialising acts of child r_pe. It really ought to make you think.

Proof for those that may think it photoshopped: Proof 1 and Proof 2

https://media.giphy.com/media/GpoEJnL0Awlpu/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/cbx3vDI7jvJLi/giphy.gif

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Here from the original poster of the meme:

Ray's last name is Perr, for those wondering. I received 162 matches on 204 right swipes (swiping right only on 7-8+ women), although many matches came in after my initial swipe (I swiped first, then they swiped later) leading me to believe this number is a MINIMUM successful matches, and it's likely many more matches swiped right on me in the days following or would have without the profile suspension I have since obtained. The profile was suspended a day ago pending review. The last time this happened to my woman beater account, it was deleted permanently. I will check again on the profile in a few days to confirm my suspicions.

For those of you that are disappointed by the results, I urge you look as hard as you can into the results. An underage virgin inspired by Ray's... history insisted he take her virginity. Multiple models (the top tier of females) beckoned him over for one night stands, feeling confident in sharing their personal info with a self admitted criminal of the most heinous kind. Worst of all, females were down playing and trivialising acts of child r_pe. It really ought to make you think.

Proof for those that may think it photoshopped: Proof 1 and Proof 2

https://media.giphy.com/media/GpoEJnL0Awlpu/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/cbx3vDI7jvJLi/giphy.gif

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Some questions.

1: What % of women actually took the time to read the profile? (Some women in the screenshot refer to it in their little pick-up lines, but I don't know what % that is, and almost all women might have simply swiped on the pic without reading the profile.)

2: Wouldn't most (all?) women take it as a joke? I mean, it's so outlandish/absurd on the face of it that someone did all those things and also that they decided to broadcast that information, so it's probably taken as black humor. It's dark humor, but dark humor is popular; for example, Family Guy makes fun of children dying from cancer and starving Ethiopians. This seems to be in the same ballpark as the worst of Family Guy.

3: Isn't it incredibly fishy that a woman wouldn't do a reverse image-search; wouldn't a woman be highly suspicious of being catfished in this context, and therefore seek confirmation that it's not just a pic of a famous model, rather than just give out her contact info?

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a fair bit of women

Is this closer to 1%? 10%? 90%? That's crucial, because the whole point is that the women knew about what was said in the profile and didn't care about it due to the looks.

What's so hard to understand here

That profile seems preposterous. I cannot imagine someone taking it seriously. It's absurd on the face of it, but it's even more absurd that someone who had done those things would then decide to put it in their Tinder profile. This is crucial, because if the women take it as a joke, then this experiment shows nothing about women's morals; it's black humor like you see on Family Guy.

This is autism-level nitpicking you're doing

I'm just trying to put myself in the minds of women seeing this profile on Tinder. Do you think these women are not savvy enough to suspect catfishing in this context? All non-mentally-challenged women (let alone models and highly socially-savvy women!) would treat this profile with great suspicion.

Like everyone else, you're trying to find things to criticize, you're reaching and nitpicking.

Reddit has many good things, but one of the problems of typing is that genuine/curious questions come across as adversarial/rhetorical. I'm actually not opposed to the experiment nor the point that it's trying to make. I'm curious about these questions.

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it's literally right there

Only a few convos that he chose to share. Therefore, we cannot determine the actual %, only the % of the tiny sample he shared.

So, women are too big to fail?

I'm afraid I don't follow; what do you mean by this?

there are lots of dumb hoes

I shouldn't have said "dumb"; it's more "socially-dumb/naive." It shocks me that there would be such socially-dumb/naive women on Tinder; maybe some weirdo cat-ladies would be like that, but almost CERTAINLY not a socially-active decent-looking woman, and CERTAINLY not a model.

this isn't a judgement about all women and how they would fuck a child rapist, this is a judgement about what makes women wet. It's pure looks, regardless of morality

I'm afraid I can't decode the meaning of this statement. Simple questions might help to clarify, like (1) what % of women do you think would wittingly fuck a child rapist? and (2) what % of women do you think would wittingly date a child rapist?

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Gonna copy and paste my reply to another comment in the thread.

I don't think you can make any generalizations about women at all from an "experiment" like this.

I think that the idea behind it is that because even five very attractive looking women went straight for it suggests that women care far more about looks than they let on.

If the same incel who made that tinder account made a real account he wouldn't get a single response despite probably being a much better human being than the bait profile in every way but looks.

Those two facts together suggest something. Most women may not go for the super attractive, but absolutely vile guy, but a handful of them will. None, however, will go for the ugly, maybe nice, but ultimately boring guy. And that fake tinder guy is an extreme, no one goes out and advertises that they're criminal trash on a dating website, so the case is to be made that so long as you're very attractive you will get laid, no question about it.

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[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it does apply to most people

That certainly can't be concluded from this experiment. Five women took the bait but that only shows five women in the world are like that. Without some way to gauge how many women didn't take the bait, it's pretty meaningless.

Women lie that they aren't attracted to sexually attractive men

I'll openly about that looks matter. They just aren't the most important thing, particularly with LTRs.

they are really looking for relationships and not hookups,

Many women, most even, aren't into casual sex or the hookup culture. Though if a women is on Tinder (regardless of who she messages on it) she is probably interested in casual sex.

Experiments like this put the lie to all this, and demonstrate women for the liars they are about the SMP and their roles in it.

It shows that five women are interested in casual sex and willing to overlook some very troubling things. It doesn't prove anything about women as a whole.

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[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It CAN be concluded from this experiment when coupled with and evaluated in conjunction with all other available evidence.

Anything that can be concluded would come entirely from the "other evidence" as this cannot be used to conclude anything.

This is a handful of women. It's about as meaningful as going to r/creepypms to learn about typical men. I can go to TRP, find a handful of people who think women should be banned from voting, and use those few examples that most reds want women to be barred from voting. Or find a few news stories about rapists and use them to say most men are rapists. Point is that showing a free examples of a type of person existing doesn't show how widespread those types of people are.

Most women are into casual sex when they want to. I don't know any sexually active women who don't admit to at least one casual sex hookup.

IIRC something like half of all women report having at least one casual sex encounter. But the average N count is about 5 so clearly it's not a regular thing for most women. Also, I've never had casual sex so now you know at least one.

It shows these women are interested in casual sex.

It shows that these five women are interested in casual sex. They do not represent women as a whole.

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[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

And yet Blues like you draw conclusions about typical men from r/niceguys and r/creepypms all the time.

I don't do that and don't agree that is a fair thing to do.

Women are interested in casual sex. They sure are having a lot of it.

To varying extents, with most women having ~~one night if or no casual sex.~~ only one experience if any. Edit: wow, I really fucked up that sentence.

Where you Blues are getting tripped up is the difference between "demonstrate" and "prove". NO one here says it proves anything. It definitely does, however, demonstrate what I said it did in my top level comment.

Okay, so let's clear up definitions. Proof is something that makes us believe something is very likely true. Evidence is something that suggests but does not prove something is true. Demonstrations are events that show how something works.

This experiment alone proves nothing, we both agree with that. But this experiment also can't be used as evidence for anything. It does not suggest anything to do be true. The sample size is very small and the sample selection is very biased. Ergo, it doesn't serve as evidence to suggest anything.

You might be able to say it demonstrates something. But it certainly doesn't demonstrate how common these women are or how the typical women acts.

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I’m sure that’s what most women want, but feminism really hurts a lot of them these days. They have sex with the guys they are most attracted to only to find that these men are «scared of commitment», «only interested in sex.» No, these men just don’t want to commit to THEM and are not interested in a serious relationship with THEM.

The relationship happiness of women requires sexual self-restraint and taking care of one’s appearance and personal development, and the relationship happiness of men requires work-discipline, self-development, growing up and gaining experience and confidence (an ideologically neutral red pill basically). Most women and men would be happier in a sexually conservative society.

Alternatively, if women want to share just a few top men (which we are increasingly seeing in the sexual marketplace) among themselves, then that’s fine with me, but then I want to abolish income tax and all other tax on labor – to free men from a broken, one-sided social contract.

[–]TheChemist1581 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They have sex with the guys they are most attracted to only to find that these men are «scared of commitment», «only interested in sex.»

Or they do get together and live happily ever after. Or they try dating and one or both of them don't think it's working out. Or the girl never wanted to date the guy to begin with. It's really not so black and white.

The relationship happiness of women requires sexual self-restraint and taking care of one’s appearance and personal development, and the relationship happiness of men requires work-discipline, self-development, growing up and gaining experience and confidence (an ideologically neutral red pill basically). Most women and men would be happier in a sexually conservative society.

Again, this applies to some people, but certainly not all. And I'm not willing to accept it fits most people, at least not out of hand.

I want to abolish income tax and all other tax on labor – to free men from a broken, one-sided social contract.

What. Taxes make society run, they don't just benefit women. Pretty sure men enjoy roads and police forces.

Also, I still don't know if you agree with me initial point, that most women have little to no casual sex.

[–]N0blesse0blige1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Taxes make society run

Society can run without welfare. Society may very well «run» for the many men who are nowadays rejected for sex, family and romance through their whole lives, but it is not working out for them at all. No-one seems to care about their «welfare», and welfare is continually defined in a way that excludes their basic needs.Why should they care about the narrowly defined welfare just for others then? Their sexual revolution and sexual liberation would be to stop having to be out-competed for a provider role in women’s lives by their own tax money. Or to be able to use their own hard-earned money to buy sex from freely consenting women. The modern sexual market place is documented zero-sum with a large sexual underclass if men. Why doesn’t the left and Marxists care about this particular class inequality?

You women want to be taken seriously as responsible, moral agents? Then show that you can transcend your human and female nature, and thus show empathy even for the sexual needs of men you find repulsive. Currently women are given a free pass and a pretend

[–]TheChemist1581 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Taxes go to more than just welfare. Do you want to abolish welfare program but keep enough taxes to support other government functions? Or do you want to "abolish income tax and all other tax on labor" and thereby end things like public roads and police forces?

Secondly, what about welfare programs that help both men and women? Do you think disabled men, men who lost their jobs, and elderly men should not have any welfare?

excludes their basic needs

Sex, romance, and family are not basic needs.

Or to be able to use their own hard-earned money to buy sex from freely consenting women.

I'm all for legalized prostitution and sexbots.

You women want to be taken seriously as responsible, moral agents?

Sure.

Then show that you can transcend your human and female nature, and thus show empathy even for the sexual needs of men you find repulsive.

Sucks for them, but meh. They certainly aren't the worst off of the people that don't get my empathy.

[–]N0blesse0blige1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Sex is listed as a basic physiological need (level 1) in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. It is unclear what is meant by «sex» here. «Sexual release» or «sexual contact» are good candidates. It may even include masturbation, but don’t count on it.

Rather what I think is meant is basic physiological fulfillment of sexual needs. It likely includes physical contact and basic sexual relief/release.

That’s before even basic safety (level 2 needs).

Sexual intimacy is listed at level 3 love/belonging (or «recognition» more generally in some text books of psychology).

That’s before «status» or esteem (level 4)

Depending on context having a family can be considered a need for self-realization (level 5), a need for status and esteem (level 4) or, a need for basic recognition (level 3). Interestingly, feminism, leftism and modern society has NO plan whatsoever for these men. They don’t have any alternative plans for these men’s self-realization or societal esteem. These men are left to Xboxes, Playstations, porn and drugs. That’s their «welfare». Someone is bound to be squeezed out in zero-sum games. They’re not fantasy figures: I have a few friends like this myself. The variability in life quality is much greater among my male than female friends and acquaintances.

I would say need for recognition (level 3) borders on «basic psychological needs», while level 4 and 5 are decidedly not. Those two latter are the bonus levels of human life quality one could say.

Note that a basic need does not equate to a moral right. You may find yourself deprived of food during a famine, but still have no moral right to steal from others who are also starving. A man may have a basic need for sex or sexual intimacy, but has no right to infringe on women’s basic need for safety and liberty. Feminists try to mix up rights and needs in order to diminish or dismiss men’s sexual needs.

The interesting matter in the modern welfare society is that money is actually taken from men and given to women, decreasing men’s chances to gain a traditional provider role – outcompeted by their own tax money for women’s affection. The state is depriving them of their ability to fulfil their needs. That’s the problem. I don’t want to force women into anything (though in a welfare society with economic regulation and redistribution they should expect some equivalent sexual regulation/redistribution, or contribute to men’s sexual welfare, for example subsidised prostitution).

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That certainly can't be concluded from this experiment. Five women took the bait but that only shows five women in the world are like that. Without some way to gauge how many women didn't take the bait, it's pretty meaningless.

I think that the idea behind it is that because even five very attractive looking women went straight for it suggests that women care far more about looks than they let on.

If the same incel who made that tinder account made a real account he wouldn't get a single response despite probably being a much better human being than the bait profile in every way but looks.

Those two facts together suggest something. Most women may not go for the super attractive, but absolutely vile guy, but a handful of them will. None, however, will go for the ugly, maybe nice, but ultimately boring guy. And that fake tinder guy is an extreme, no one goes out and advertises that they're criminal trash on a dating website, so the case is to be made that so long as you're very attractive you will get laid, no question about it.

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Tell me more about my life - how is looking at a tinder "experiment" confirmation bias and "lack of critical thinking"?

The tinder experiment isn't intended to PROVE anything; it's intended to be SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of particular points that, when taken with OTHER KNOWN EVIDENCE, tends to render certain propositions more likely to be true.

Nothing needs to be "proven" to a scientific degree of absolute certainty or beyond a reasonable doubt. All that is necessary is that it is shown to be more likely true than not true.

No one has said anything different.

Also, the Tinder experiment will never "prove" anything to you. You also have confirmation bias - you hate TRP, and you will not accept it, no matter what evidence is presented to you. You have already rejected it before you even see it.

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Because the tinder experiment doesn't lead to the conclusions that you are making. The fact that you don't understand this means you don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to make that determination.

The tinder experiment is, in actuality, a perfect demonstration of confirmation bias. So the fact that you think you can conclude anything at all means that you yourself heavily operate on confirmation bias.

Which means your observations and anecdotes are just your confirmation bias as well.

Pretty simple.

As for me, my feelings on TRP have nothing to do with the fact that terps, across the board, consistently demonstrate that they have no skepticism or critical thinking skills when it comes to things they want to believe. And everything they believe is just a bunch of confirmation bias.

Just an outsider looking in. That's how terps appear.

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TRP isn't known for its grasp on how science and statistics work.

After quite some time here, I'd argue that the TBP camp in general is worse.

That said, if you seriously want to deny that a really attractive PoS does better than a for all intents and purposes totally average guy, you should really get off your high horse here. And because I am a humanitarian, I'm also going to explain you why: A psychopath who happens to be a 10 will appeal to two groups of women - those who are genuinely into psychopaths (how many proposals did Charles Manson get while in prison?), and those who are willing to compromise for a hot guy (with her fixation on looks competing with her disgust against guys like that). The average guy on the other hand might not provoke the same negative feelings, but neither will women be competing for his attention.

Sure, he might be tolerable for a larger number of women - which means that in a hypothetical scenario where a randomized group of women is asked which of the two they would pick, he would most likely win. However, life isn't a hypothetical scenario, and women being grudgingly willing to date in general if the alternative is some Ted Bundy-type isn't worth a damn. From a dating perspective 1000 women being lukewarm about you is still worse than 900 women considering you absolutely reprehensible but the remaining 100 thinking you're too hot to pass over.

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I love how Charles Manson attracting a few crazy women is shown as an example of average behavior.

Lol.

No one is denying that an attractive person gets more attention than an average person, that's true and not a gendered phenomenon.

Straw men aside, the point here is that terps will take this tinder thing as proof that women will choose an attractive psychopath over an average looking decent guy. Even though this tinder experiment does not give you nearly enough information to make that conclusion, they'll swear up and down that it does.

Because they're idiots.

It's a classic example of relying on confirmation bias and not having the critical thinking skills to understand that they can't logically come to that conclusion.

Seeing the terp response, I'm correct.

But I knew I'd be correct. Terps don't have a grasp of science, statistics, or anything really.

Feelz, not Realz. As the saying goes.

As for bloops, who cares what that subreddit thinks.

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Women have millions of men to swipe through on Tinder, and because of how often men-right swipe, even an average woman has many more matches than she can ever handle.

Therefore, it compels them to select for the cream of the crop. On Tinder, that's almost entirely based on pictures, which means that pictures of model looking men will do the best. That explains the disparity between a model and an average man.

Keep in mind that just because a girl matches with you doesn't mean she will definitely be an easy lay. Yes, this still applies for girls who are already initiating sex talk through messaging. What dumbass incels and blackpillers don't recognize is: YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET THE GIRL IN PERSON. I know attractive men who get girls going out of their way to start conversations with them, but then fucking it up because of anxiety/awkwardness/naivety.

Now when it comes to women ignoring racism/pedophilia/etc in model looking profiles, it comes down to

Them thinking it's probably a joke
Them not caring. This can apply to non-attractive men too. There are quite a few sex offenders out there who still have girlfriends/wives.
The women who do care don't bother right-swiping and responding.

Leave it to a dumbass black piller to think that it proves something mindblowing. There was someone in /r/seduction a while back sharing those 'insights' and declaring it meant that game was bullshit.

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there is a SUPER attractive male morality

Is there any evidence about the extent to which this is considered attractive?

You find this form of morality attractive, but it does not follow from that that everybody does, or even that a majority do.

By the way, which "patristic morality" do you have in mind?

Separate from the question of how attraction and morality relate (or don't relate), it should be noted that children have been studied in order to tease out and determine the moral instincts that are present at the biological level, in the brain, before society has had much influence on the children. You can pose moral dilemmas to the children, and tinker with the dilemmas slightly to see whether/how the children's evaluations change. The underlying principles are all (1) unconscious, (2) complex, and (3) innate.

Insofar as research of this kind uncovers Rawlsian principles (for example) in infants' brains, one cannot call Rawlsian morality "Cryptochristian," because these unconscious/complex principles are innate/cross-cultural.

See this paper for an example:

Chomsky transformed linguistics and cognitive science by showing that ordinary language is susceptible to precise formal analysis and by rooting principles of UG in the human bioprogram. UMG holds out the prospect of doing the same for aspects of ordinary human moral cognition. The first step in the inquiry is to identify a class of considered judgments and a set of rules or principles from which they can be derived [7]. Initial efforts to explain trolley-problem intuitions within this framework suggest that individuals are intuitive lawyers who are capable of drawing intelligent distinctions between superficially similar cases, although their basis for doing so is often obscure. Future research on moral grammar should begin from this premise (Box 5), moving beyond the limited example of trolley problems and other doctrinally marginal 'dilemmas' to the core concepts of universal fields like torts, contracts and criminal law, which investigate the rules and representations that are implicit in common moral intuitions with unparalleled care and sophistication. Chomsky emphasized that rigorous formulation in linguistics is not merely a pointless technical exercise but an important diagnostic and heuristic tool, because only by pushing a precise but inadequate formulation to an unacceptable conclusion can one gain a better understanding of the relevant data and of the inadequacy of our existing attempts to explain them [56]. Likewise, Marr warned against making inferences about cognitive systems from neurophysiological findings without 'a clear idea about what information needs to be represented and what processes need to be implemented' ([22], p. 26). Cognitive scientists who take these ideas seriously and who seek to understand human moral cognition must devote more attention to developing computational theories of moral competence. Legal theory will have an important role in this process.

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Title	Do Tinder "experiments" actually demonstrate anything? If so, what?
Author	philomexa
Upvotes	11
Comments	368
Date	March 2, 2018 2:53 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/81eqvf/do_tinder_experiments_actually_demonstrate/
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