Can you advocate for both men and women’s rights?

NarniaFox · 2020-02-04T14:18:17+00:00

Easily. Both parties have problems and you don't have to dismiss one gender's problem in order to help another.

My very broad views:

Men shouldn't be drafted.

Women should have access to abortions.

Men shouldn't be shamed for their feelings. They're human beings and not an epitome for an idealized masculinity, that is too narrow for any living creature.

We should teach children and teens about consent, not only about STDs and contraceptives.

Shit can happen to anyone, being raped doesn't make you less of a woman/men and society should treat all rape survivors equally.

Mental health should be one of our priorities. Depression isn't emasculating, it can happen to anyone. Postpartum depression is a thing and we should help mothers to overcome it.

People should pay for themselves.

It's better when both partners work, not when one is stressed about household and children and another is stressed about finance.

Dora_Bowl · 2020-02-04T14:18:49+00:00

Yes, I do not really see why that would be impossible unless you have a really strange definition of rights.

AngelFire_3_14156 · 2020-02-04T14:12:33+00:00

Yes, one can advocate for both.

Then on the other hand, it may also depend on what you consider to be a "right".

abaxeron · 2020-02-04T14:48:08+00:00

Yes, it's called "human rights" for a reason. For as long as you understand the difference between rights and gibbbbbbbbbs.

2020-02-04T15:34:53+00:00

Women effectively have all the same rights as men. So at this point moving forward it should just be human rights. Identitarianism breeds divisiveness even when its well intentioned. Universalism has done way, way more for social progress.

SerpentCypher · 2020-02-04T14:20:07+00:00

Are you asking individuals if they personally can? Or just a general "Is it possible at all?" type thing?

I think you can, but most people don't, both men and women inherently care for and want to protect women. That's why feminism is a global behemoth and MRAs are a tiny internet community roundly mocked by greater society, despite them having some valid issues.

I think egalitarianism is possible, but most people only have empathy for the tribe they're personally invested in. Someone who is an egalitarian will use that word to describe their views, they won't use either of the other terms (that don't mean equality between the sexes, no matter how much the people who use those labels will try to gaslight you and claim that it does.)

VexingTetrimino · 2020-02-04T17:40:20+00:00

i advocate for both. but there is a but.

i used to be a supporter of MRA until i realized that it's a fake movement.

what do i mean by fake? MRA doesn't care about raising up the community. they just employ reactionary misogyny and are more interested in blaming women and feminism for all their problems.

other men's groups that actually do help men not only exclude themselves as part of MRA, but they are also allied by feminists.

and who aligns with MRA? TRP, MGTOW, incels.

hopefully the real men's lib movement can reclaim the voice of making things better for men. until then other community-minded people like myself will advocate for men from outside the MRA circle.

and those fake-ass MRA guys can go suck Big Foot's dick

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acron5n5 · 2020-02-04T14:28:50+00:00

Yea you can. As long as you advocate rights instead of privileges for both parties you'll have no problems.

Darkseeker_Mau · 2020-02-04T15:25:24+00:00

Sure, why not? Advocacy for rights is free.

Problems only arrive when people start discussing bodily responsibility.

ohheyhi99 · 2020-02-04T15:29:16+00:00

Of course.

nemma88 · 2020-02-04T15:30:48+00:00

I'm all for equal opportunities. I am not all for equality of outcome. In both/all genders. If only one biological gender can do something or is only suited to one task, we should not try and force a equal outcome, this includes quotas for hiring women etc.

Edit; Of course that means just kinda hoping the human race also sheds prejudgement based on gender so maybe that's a tad idealist.

sadomasochrist · 2020-02-04T15:44:33+00:00

Claim : Yes

Reality : No

This is what "egalitarianism" already "does." But it doesn't.

WiterS2 · 2020-02-04T16:41:51+00:00

I advocate for equality before the law, not equality enforced by law. That's socialism; is is unfair, and it always fail.

2020-02-04T16:45:12+00:00

Only on the most superficial, normative, privileged levels

Once you get beyond the "best case scenario" men and women, it becomes clear that men's and women's interests are indeed zero sum.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-02-04T16:53:40+00:00

Of course.

We are all equal under the law and any discrimination should be eliminated.

Except for Karen.

saladfingers4141 · 2020-02-04T17:43:56+00:00

I think those are called human rights and yes you can advocate for both it's called common sense.

The_Gifted_Arsonist · 2020-02-04T18:01:24+00:00

Oh yes, there are good arguments on both sides. The key is not being aligned with the radicals from either side.

ninja_deli · 2020-02-04T18:30:07+00:00

Of course you can. It's just most people aren't capable of it because they have an innate sense that advocating for one also means that you have to slander the other in some way.

Workaholiconew · 2020-02-04T18:39:10+00:00

Of course.

However there are some aspects which are contentious.

2020-02-04T18:51:04+00:00

Absolutely.

What a world it would be if we stopped segregating each other and supported each other instead.

DontTouchTheCancer · 2020-02-04T19:54:13+00:00

Of course you can. And it's ridiculous to suggest that rights are some weird kind of zero-sum game.

TwentyX4 · 2020-02-04T20:57:10+00:00

Yes, although many feminists will be angry with you for working for men's issues because they think women's issues are more important. In their view, spending time on men's issues instead of women's issues is like paying for summer camp for rich kids when you should be feeding starving African children.

Pontifex_Lucious-II · 2020-02-04T21:05:47+00:00

Anyone in the West bitching about “rights” fundamentally misunderstands their relationship with the government.

CHAD_TDK · 2020-02-04T21:50:04+00:00

I am an advocate for all humans. Period. No distinction.

I advocate:

respect
do no harm
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

to anyone and everyone.

Too bad that it's not Equal or Inclusive enough.

PrincepsOmni · 2020-02-05T06:16:27+00:00

Yes.

You can do it from a position that men and women are the same (aside from plumbing differences) and advocate the same rights.

Or you can do it from a position that we're actually different and thus may need different treatment when it comes to rights.

Eastuss · 2020-02-05T08:30:27+00:00

That's called socialism.

joesmithasdf · 2020-02-06T16:43:48+00:00

I try to and people think I’m weird.

KeldeoKillsDragons · 2020-02-09T00:07:19+00:00

Absolutely. Why wouldn't you be able to? They're not directly against eachother. Most of the issues regarding men and women stem from society not treating them as individuals, and instead painting both with a broad brush of preconceptions, then making decisions based on those prejudices.

The more we see different demographics as just 'people', the more balanced out things will be.

RT-AC66U · 2020-02-04T14:24:29+00:00

In the western world what right do woman not have?

WIA20XX · 2020-02-04T15:31:12+00:00

No, men's rights take away from women's power

Title	Can you advocate for both men and women’s rights?
Author	FreakXAurora
Upvotes	13
Comments	162
Date	February 4, 2020 2:08 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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