So I’ll be the first to admit that I get curious. Sometimes like to see the perspective of the other half , and since FDS is basically the redpill “equivalent” (I use this term lightly, that sub is a shithole) of TRP, I check it out from time to time. Lo and behold, they prove our point for us.
Currently there’s a pinned thread telling women how to detect “Big dick energy”, meaning how to detect if a dude will be good in bed, which basically translates to “high smv dude”, there’s a list of signs to look for and things to avoid, and i’ll go through it point by point and translate it, showing how it proves RP theorem true.
> The men that I found were skilled in bed ALL had these key traits in common:
>They were always pretty athletic indicating good energy and a desire to improve / maintain themselves (I know this might be negotiable for others- but this was my experience across the board). I could make out their physique before the top was off
TRANSLATION- Hit the gym and get in shape motherfuckers, a fundemental principle of TRP. Literally the first point listed is also the first thing instructed to noobs on asktrp.
>They had a quiet confidence- inspired curiosity/sexual prowess- not bending over backwards being corny and desperate or trying to neg me (they knew better than that, indicating they don't struggle with women, insecurity or suffer from a lack of options/rejection). Neither did they have something to PrOvE.
TRANSLATION- Abundance mentality and outcome independence, classic sidebar material.
>They had lively energetic characters- knew how to shmooze the room with little effort - a natural charisma. Tell it how it is kinda people- without being a condescending asshole overstepping the mark. Playful, light-hearted men....again indicating they're not some resentful bitter insecure depraved gormless incel that hasn't been laid in 6months. Even if they're more on the stoic side- they still have a good sense of humour/charisma shining through. There's a level-headed temperament to them.
TRANSLATION- Cocky funny, natural banter kind of guy, stuff that men on here are constantly taught to be when interacting with a women whom you’re sexually interested in. Social adeptness too, another high smv trait.
>They were witty and fast on the ball- they could ping my sarcasm back at me at the speed of light without any whiff of fear (This is a VERY big giveaway indicating intellect/sharpness and ability to learn fast). Basically they didn't resent my (often blunt) sharp sense of humour and borderline insults poking at them- instead they humoured it and bounced it back in good nature- again showing they don't have a fragile sense of masculinity, aren't insecure and are used to dealing with confident women. This of course made me wonder why they're NOT thrown off so easily or having some butt-hurt response- hmmmm curious! With disappointing men- there's always a hint of resentment behind that- like they think you're too cocky or they're just a little thrown off (THEY SMELL FEAR they may disappoint).
TRANSLATION- KNOW HOW TO IDENTIFY AND PASS A SHIT TEST. This one should really go without saying, its funny, you really couldn’t make this shit up.
>They were good at reading me fast and what I like. They'd sometimes finish my sentences or guess my reply, like 'I knew you were going to say that'. Or they'd suggest something I would be into and guess it correctly. Observant and intuitive, indicating they read body language well.
TRANSLATION- Social awareness, what more do I have to say?
>They weren't thirsty, or awkward- they took it at my pace and knew how to read signals and when to strike. They definitely will NOT escalate crude sex talk fast if you met them on an app- these men know you're gonna want to sniff them out first and can hold interesting conversation but they may drop a few compliments here & there: they're not rookies going to scare you off or become borderline insulting. They know better than to do that. Plus they also want to sniff you out for chemistry. They were still respectful and waiting for me to give them the sign, that way they knew I wanted it. Respect is key here- competent men know not to force themselves where they're unwanted or harass you- they have enough confidence not to act desperate. Again- big sign he's experienced with women, respects boundaries and knows what they expect from him. respected in order to feel comfortable and trust him in the bedroom.
TRANSLATION- Again, outcome independence is crucial pillar of solid game, as well as being able to read and respond to IOI’s.
>They were assertive but not in an overly brash belittling kind of way. They had a natural instinct to take charge. They did NOT need instructions to be told to do something. These men have a certain level of intelligence to pick up on that without you needing to indicate. They leap to action which has some kind of hot protective guardian vibe, like they can keep watch for you. INSTINCT is the key here. They sensed when I wanted something doing. Again this translates to the bedroom as they'll know what they're doing and be enthusiastic to do it. They aren't shy or hesitant and will communicate directly. There's no hassle or tension indicating things will run equally as smooth in the bedroom.
TRANSLATION- “We want a dominant masculine man to take charge and lead/escalate.” Here at the red pill we are instructed that as the MEN it is our duty to be the one in control of the interaction when dealing with women.
>The BIG one: they were not lazy 'chilled' 'laidback' 'I like taking the easy, familiar route' kind of characters. They had a zest for life which gave off the vibe they led a satisfying life which is attractive and not lacking in some dept. It indicated they like keeping up pace and variety- not letting their life get dull, monotonous or boring. They are passionate motivated people, usually have a decent career/ interests, like travelling and are pretty upbeat. They have interesting things to talk about, and some depth to them (someone with depth /eager to improve will do their homework on how to please women)
TRANSLATION- “We like men who have a strong sense of purpose and a desire to live a high value life to the fullest.” TRP encourages us to find our mission in life and cultivate an interesting lifestyle and hobbies, live such a lifestyle and women will be a byproduct.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if one of you motherfuckers was just pretending to be a woman and typing this up. Regardless, this goes to show that TRP is truth, straight from the horses mouth. Do with this what you will.
I just browsed their sub and top posts for a bit. What is interesting is how their content is about describing high value men, how to select men or how they wish men were. Notice there isn't a lot about working on improving THEMSELVES to attract high value men. It's filled with 'you deserve better gurrrll' BS. Their sub comes off as very whiny, bitter and entitled. This is in stark contrast to TRP that discusses dating strategy but most importantly self improvement, sometimes in a hard-to-swallow manner. But it should come as no surprise, in the end this reflects the male female dating game and its imperatives on both sexes : men suffer the burden of performance at all times, first and foremost in courtship. While women they... Select to the best of their own ability and value.
Someone around here said it best - women don't care who won the race or the sacrifices it took to win the race. They simply want to hang around the finish line and fuck the winners.
This applies just as much to blue haired landwhales as it does to HB8s.
I don’t remember where I read/heard it something about “Love is not based on effort” saying that someone(a man) could cool a water glass with his breath or whatever, but what if someone came along with iced water. You should not feel guilty for wanting the iced water.
Years now I get to understand this kind of thinking women have and that you have to be that iced water, you were born like that.
Ps. It was one of those tumblr posts.
Tumblr is such a cesspool.
It was comedian Bill Burr. https://youtu.be/ctU7P14dS98
I think Richard Cooper said "Women don't care about the struggle, they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners"
From The Rock 1995: (The great Sean Connery)
“Loshersh alwaysh whine about their besht. Winnersh go home and fuck the prom queen.” -obligatory spelling of how he drops that line to Nicholas cage when he’s being a lil bitch.
Women don’t need to improve they just need to be fuckable and they know it. That sub is about how to better identify high value men to secure. And since most high value men prefer petite feminine young women, those women don’t need to be taught that and are already with high value dudes. Therefore that sub is full of fatties and feminists. Feminist fatties hehe
This is the exact point I made in that sub before being banned. The only female dating strategy that works is to be young and hot.
That mental image is priceless:
Well, have you tried being young and hot?
mic drop
The seething must have been glorious.
Mic drop....to aim their shotgun at you.
I strongly disagree. Athletic women that take good care of themselves can be extremely attractive well into their thirties, and even their forties. The vast majority of men are going to prefer a fit, attractive woman in her thirties that knows how to use her body over a 19-year-old girl that only looks pretty because she's still young. Just take the last super bowl halftime show - there is not a man in the US that didn't find J. Lo and Shakira sexy and alluring, regardless of the fact that they both hit the Wall decades ago. Face it, few 19-year-old girls with a pretty face and youthful skin can compete with a thirty year old with an ass that only years in the gym can buy and the ability to dance / use her body in ways that only someone with experience can.
On top of that, it is possible for women to act seductively and create more attractive personalities. There's a reason that seduction was always called 'the woman's art' before the modern era. We've all met attractive women whose ugly personalities were a complete turn-off, but there are also plenty of women with fun, attractive personalities that enhance how attractive they are physically.
All that being said, obviously, rare is the woman that looks like Shakira or J Lo into their forties, but that's not because most woman can't do it or at least approximate that level of attractiveness. No, it's because humans are inherently lazy and most are unwilling to put in the work necessary to look like a god well into your thirties and early forties. Most men won't like Michael Jai White at 52. Most women won't look like J Lo at 50. But it is possible.
Edit: I should clarify by stating that youth is obviously a contributing factor in a woman's attractiveness, just as it is for men. However, the idea that a woman can only drastically decrease in SMV as she ages is just wrong. They might not have as many opportunities to improve SMV as men do, but such things do exist (building Charisma comes to mind).
I never said there are no hot women over 28, but they're attractiveness lies in being spared by time, by still looking young. Mild fetishism aside, 35 year olds aren't hot because they're 35, but because they were extremely attractive when they were young and time has been kind to them. Every hot 30+ woman was 50 times hotter at 19. So yeah, youth counts. Youth and (femine) beauty are inseparable.
I agree that there are other qualities in people, not every thing can be brought back to smv. Just because intellectual and moral qualities count for infinitely less in male sexual attraction, doesn't mean they don't count in an assessment of the person as a whole. They do affect whether I want to be with this person or not.
Seduction can only put to work what they have, it doesn't build on what they have.
Well, another thing is that attractive older women are attractive because the took care of themselves, which signals superior character and ability. I know women in their sixties who look amazing, and that is attractive because you are impressed by the amount of work and discipline it took to hold on to their figures. All the years of eating right, getting enough sleep, using the right beauty products, exercising, and not engaging in vice. But you're still not going to run off with them if you younger options available.
Yeah but you can tell when that hot 19 year old doesn’t take care of herself and is on her way to being unattractive way younger then she has to be.
I’m not asking for abs on a woman but I fucking detest a lazy woman who just puts on weight lying around indulging in food and still has the nerve to act like a bitch to her athetic boyfriend.
My SIL is like this with her boyfriend and even my wife thinks she needs to cool it. My cousin was like this as well with her boyfriend of like 5 years and he left her for a waitress that was flirting with him when they went out one night.
It definitely works both ways to some extent
I think it's cultural. French women don't seem to let themselves go like that
Of course not. The reason that they can be attractive is because they put in the work necessary to build a sexy body and maintain said body.
I can tell you for a fact that a woman that starts working out at 25 will be more attractive at 30 than she was at 19, I've worked out with several women that did just that.
Hmm I think you'd be hard pressed to find many guys that would prefer a well toned woman at 35 over the same woman untoned at 19. Cases of obese women losing weight are exceptions, not the rule. Again, it's not that women can so nothing about their attractiveness, it's simply that their range of action is limited to holding onto their youth as much as possible.
"Atheltics women" are like < 1% of women, even the one who go to the gym 90% go to their shitty courses or run without intensity, alwayos on their phone texting and shit
You're not wrong, but the same can be said of most men. I'm simply saying that the idea that women older than 30 can't be smoking hot is entirely incorrect.
smoking hot is a bit of stretch. still hot sure, really cant be smoking hot as a woman in her 30s when 21 year olds are still around tho
And yet they all wear yoga pants 24/7.
37 here. I'd fuck a 19 year old over a woman in her 30s 99% of the time. Even with gym time, age shows. I've been with women in their 30s, women in their 20s, and barely legal teens. Younger is almost always hotter. Currently I date women around 24 or 25. Younger than that and they are just annoying as fuck and not worth spending time with beyond some dumb sex. Mid 20s they are still hot and if you actually want to hang out beyond just fucking, they are usually a bit more mature without the baggage and desperation you get from women over 30. I plan to continue dating in the mid 20s well into my 40s. The older I've gotten, the easier it has been to get beautiful, young women. I genuinely wouldn't be interested in fucking J-Lo other than for the story.
Where did you get that from?
The only people I see praising old pop-stars are woman and gay men.
Well, it is if she is willing to be on the sexual marketplace for longer or want any sort of commitment. But, for sex, youth and beauty are very strong competitors.
I feel like everyone here needs to start tagging their posts with their intended context.
I keep seeing posts like the one you’re referencing, where a person will go on and on about how mature women are better, but don’t qualify it with any context.
Is a mature woman who has kept herself in great shape preferable to a nineteen year old who is in great shape naturally, due to youth?
Maybe. But let’s be honest; it’s probably really dependent upon the context.
Are we talking fun, casual dating and sex? Or are we talking long-term monogamous commitment?
Because they’re each likely to be quite a bit more suited to one type of relationship than to the other.
When we make sweeping statements about what type of person, relationship, or scenario is “preferred by most men”, I think we should try to be as specific as possible when explaining both our statements, and the process by which we’ve arrived at these conclusions.
Since he was talking about woman's body and what makes men aroused, anyone would assume the intent was for sex. That's why I fully agree with what you are saying.
All things being equal... I'll take the 19 year old. You can't fake a youthful appearance like that in your 30s no matter how fit you are.
Most women use beauty to catch a man, so once he is caught she no longer maintains. I suspect if more women continued to act as though they were still trying to catch him and make him desire and chase her, then there would be more older women who still look extremely hot.
You're making a false comparison because you're comparing apex women with some average hot girl.
Also, if that were true, why are so many apex women over 30 single, or struggling to find a man that will commit, hmmmm??? They want apex men, but the apex men want apex women who are 10-20 years younger than them. Many of them have to come to terms with making some sort of trade-off.
A better comparison would be: Shakira at 30-40 vs Shakira at 18-25, who would men prefer?
Another thing is that apex women are literally drowned in grooming, nurturing, and support, that is, if they are kept safe from predators. They have men lining up to give them advice on how to live their lives: financial advice, spiritual advice, lifestyle advice. That's part of the reason they can mature faster. Older, powerful men wanting to play Pygmalion.
Not even, you can just play the game with men. It work well. Men are so thirty that you can get everything just by make it look like you would accept to be fucked by them eventually.
Why, that's not true! You can also be extremely wealthy! Just ask Doris Duke. She never lacked for dick.
It isn't true though. If you are a smart man with options and you are looking for a woman to settle with then you wouldn't choose the hottest girl you know, no. You'll choose the girl who has the best compatibility with you, who is the most conservative, who doesn't have slutty past and was raised in a decent traditional family. And if a woman's personality sucks, if she isn't feminine enough or loyal enough, then she would struggle to get a relationship with someone of her own level, let alone someone better than her. This is why women who spend their youth being sluts end up with dudes who are hopeless and then spend the rest of their lives bitter. And that sub would never tell women this, lol. Many women think that they have a chance to make a high-value man settle for them if they just fuck a lot of such guys. They think that they would be lucky enough, this is why they are riding a cock carousel - it is just a lottery for them. Biologically the best sexual strategy for a woman isn't even "alpha fux, beta bux", in fact, it is "alpha fux, alpha bux". And by raising their partner's number in casual encounters those women lower their value as relationship material, they lose the chance to get a high-quality man.
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Your posts keep getting removed because you're linking ot other subreddits. Can't do that or automod will get you.
The women in there want to have their cake and eat it.
They want a "high value man" but they want the guy to prostate himself at their feet from day 1 and expect literally nothing in return.
If a woman ends up with a guy by following the suggestions she got from that sub, odds are that the dude is a grade A doormat and she has spend the rest of their relationship lying to herself about how she managed to snag a keeper. How could this go wrong /s
Well yes and no. Most fertile women can make themselves more appealing to the opposite sex through exercise, pleasant manner, and by displaying a caring attitude. As an older guy I’d rather date a fit 40-year old displaying the above than an opinionated tatted up blue haired landwhale with a septum ring. I just can’t deal with the latter. At the same time I’d much rather bang a fit 20 year old than any fit post wall woman.
The problem with feminism is that it lowers the bar for what’s acceptable when it comes to both looks and behavior. It’s a race to the bottom. Just look around you.
It tells how to identify high value men, but it doesn't tell how to secure them, because securing them means improving yourself and what you offer as a woman, and they're allergic to self-improvement at FDS. They're strong, independent women that any man would be lucky to have, despite their tattoos and crotch droppings.
Not necessarily. Things like femininity can absolutely be taught. Just compare women in North America to the rest of the world. In Eastern countries/Latin countries women are taught how to act and it makes them more pleasant. There is more to a chick than just looks (although it's obviously very important)
Mate, if you mean eastern European countries, you're oh so wrong. Having a very large social group in High School I can already tell you that most of the girls had body counts in the dozens by the time they were finished. Not to mention dating guys that were in their late 20's early 30's because they had money and cars and took the girls out for expensive holidays.
The more shy and quiet ones that managed to stay virgins you could already fuck outdoors or in bathrooms at parties after a couple of netflix and chill sessions.
Yes, they are lot more pleasant to hang around with, more feminine and less feministic, true, but if you want a girl that's not subscribed to the CC you need to get one that was raised in a religious family, and even those were hit or miss as I know a couple of priest daughters that were doing their own type of charity.
Going back to the girls raised in religious families, a guy I've known since I was a kid, went to monasteries every summer, was really involved with churches and stuff, is married at 21 and already has a kid with girl from the same upbringing. I can guarantee you that you wouldn't like that type of relationship either as you'd have to respect the family's desires otherwise you're out. Although a church community seems a lot more intelligent and chill nowadays that blackpilled stay in the house, play games and wank all day guys, or partying junkies with no plans for the future that will be dead by 40.
Yes I agree, sexuality exists anywhere and hence promiscuity. All I am saying is that being pleasant and feminine adds to a girl's value and that it isn't 100% looks. And these traits are more abundant away from common wealth countries + USA.
Some women who lose weight and hit the gym can go from a 1 to a 7 or 8 really fast though
Someone over at RooshV forum found a picture of an active FDS member. She was a solid 4. WNB even on a bad decade.
Isn't there a saying "Women are born, Men are made"
As you say, they pick the best men and don't improve themselves.
The hotties ARE usually putting a lot of work into themselves, though.
They hit the gym, maintain a nearly insane grooming routine, etc.
These FDS bitches have all either let themselves go or they’re pretty but they get pumped and dumped constantly by high SMV dudes and so go there to complain about men being shit.
The thing is, this thread isn’t t really indicative of what they look for in their actual strategy.
They seem to all genuinely want bloopie super-betas who will bend over backwards for them and comply with their “I am a queen” horseshit mentality, while they fuck the chads (spoken about in that thread) on the side.
This, however, also proves TRP correct.
It’s so funny how lacking in self awareness they are.
It’s the primary difference between FDS and redpillwomen
RPW endorses self improvement for women? Hmmm 🤔
They do. They’re redpill for women. FDS is just MGTOW for women, but obviously no woman goes TOW
Frankly is doesn't seem like the men on mgtow are really going their own way either
Simple truth is our most basic directives are fuck and be loved.
Fighting against them, well, tends to not work that well. Especially if its not by choice.
Some of the people there, well, they remind me of the fat, uncharismatic kid with asthma that nobody picked to play whatever, loudly proclaiming he is gonna go do his own thing.
MGTOW2 is the sub for people who are past their red-pill stage and have started to spread their wings. It's a bit more quiet because the men have GTOW.
Incels are not tolerated.
It’s an incel sub due to censorship
MGTOW is about avoiding commitment with women and TRP should do this too before being divorce raped in courts. Rest of thing like improving yourself and there is more in world beside women resonates with TRP.
MIGTOW putting it crudely is refusing to play because it aint worth it. To me this is just defeatist
TRP is realizing that the house stacked the odds against you. But if you want to play, this is how you can succeed and thrive.
To use a stock market analogy, MIGTOWs take one look at the market, realize the market sucks and proceed to hide their cash in a cookie jar. TRP dudes also realize the market sucks but there is still opportunity to make money out there so they get educated and go for it.
Er.. what is 'FDS'? I realize it's a sub; I just don't know what it stands for. I see there actually is a FDS sub, but I don't know if that's the subject here.
Female dating strategy
I think
I think you should read the title of this post again.
Doh! Sorry for missing the obvious, but thanks!
Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkcUMVCjsBs
+1
This explains why they’re all fat.
Welcome to Solipsism 101
> men suffer the burden of performance at all times, first and foremost in courtship. While women they... Select to the best of their own ability and value.
Which also means that we don't suffer, but rather enjoy the opportunity to forge ourselves into the image we want, whereas women are more limited both by their baseline looks, and by quickly approaching the wall.
Sure, for men it's more work, and many fail and live miserable lives, but we also have practically no limit to the SMV we can achieve through concerted effort. It is an amazing blessing as well as a curse.
So a man can keep improving his value even after entering a relationship. This is really insightful.
Yes. It's also A reason why many men are leery of marriage. Once a woman gets you to tie the knot, they often lose interest in self-improvement because why should they? They GOT what they wanted.
Whereas men have lifelong ambitions, and it's NOT to marry a high value woman, it's to BE somebody. And being somebody worthwhile is an ongoing endeavor, a journey and not a destination.
I suspect that every average-and-above girl is an alpha widow. They've all been (at least) pumped and dumped by a high-value male. Some of them were plates.
...but none of the women on FDS managed to lock down or marry a high-value male. So...
apparently, their operating theory is, "this high value male had sex with me, therefore I could have married him - what I need to do is be more selective in the future, until another high value man comes along."
As you point out, TRP's says (1) what do women actually want, as evidenced by who they have sex with (2) how can we improve ourselves as men so that we are those kind of men.
In place of that, FDS says (1) I've had sex with high value men before (2) I need to be more selective so that I filter men more quickly so that I get another shot at a high value man more quickly.
But the truth is, marrying that man was never a possibility. They weren't attractive or desirable enough back then, and they're older now so it's definitely not a possibility! And sadly, if they do find another man, they have no idea what he wants other than sex (which they will give him, by the way). And they have nothing to offer except an ultimatum: "you had better chase me because I'm worth it!!"
I wish them luck but I'm not sure it's going to work. I wonder if any of them have tried *gasp* being extra feminine and seeing if that works? That's just crazy talk though, right?
As far as TRP's reaction to this - it's pretty simple. If FDS takes off and becomes influential, then however they choose to define "high value male" is super a-okay with me! That's what I'll try to be. From the OP, it appears to be shit that I already know.
As the wise 21savage once said: "women don't build they move in"
"men suffer the burden of performance at all times, first and foremost in courtship"
I'd say it's a feature, not a bug. Women will rise to the level of a man that leads them. If they can't they should be ejected for better candidates.
To be fair I think women naturally compete on certain areas of the sexual dating strategy and claim they do it ‘for themselves’ whereas it doesn’t come naturally for many men. Examples:
Women will eat healthy generally speaking knowing it affects their skins and appearance, women will attend beauty parlours for hair, skin, nails, lashes etc... women will curate and maintain social circles with friends and family better without necessarily being conscious of the benefits rather just intrinsically deriving pleasure from doing so...
Girls unconsciously know how to compete (not all women... such as feminist and testosterone driven types)
Some ARE conscious of their strategies but they’re smart enough to pretend like they’re not for the added benefit of appearing cute and innocent (and submissive) to really lure in those strong confident alpha dicks to fertilise their eggs and fulfil one of the most strongest urges within that 17-27yo age bracket
The women on RedPillWomen are looking to improve and become better partners to their male counterparts. For whatever it's worth we do exist.
And you tend to marry young and get taken off the market by wise older men pretty quickly, too. ;)
They do exist. However, you're mostly posting in subs for strippers, camgirls, sexworkers and about selling panties. That doesn't sound very repillwoman-ish.
The response to this is complicated and I think would reveal more details about myself than I want to on here.
This entitlement mentality will continue until men are the ones who start selecting whom they want to be with.
What's both funny and sad about that is, for women, "girl game" is 80% about improving one's appearance. They can have high standards for men all they want, but James Bond isn't interested in 5's.
Its female nature- they want to be accepted rather than accept agency and take action to improve.
And TRP was the one that was quarantined despite it being about self-betterment and a place of refuge for people in pain to build themselves up... LOL Have they quarantined that sub too or?
And yet here we are getting quarantined while they are not. Even if we consider both subreddits as equally toxic, they should be quarantined as well. Double-standards never die.
and that's why by nature we are programmed to seek plural sexual intercourse. Cause there ain't shit a woman can offer a man that other women won't offer when you're in demand.
only among the very few in here. don't kid yourself. TRP is just like any space, some winners and a shit ton of losers who don't want to be anything but losers
I'm still not convinced that sub isn't just angry TRAPS genderswapping the shit from here
And these are the women that become the teachers and people in charge of boys as they grow up. Then you wonder why we have a billy beta epidemic LOL.
There is a main caveat. Women have a finite selection pool. Since they want the oxymoron of an alpha bucks the HB4 will never get Chad to commit maybe fucking her brains out after a session with lil' fatass daddy's moonshine liquer but in the end the paretto principle applies. 80 percent settle while 20 percent match.
You gotta remember this has been drilled into their head since little girls and is also very evolutionary based. Although naturally the most feminine girls dress nicer, smell better, and tend to watch their diet. They just get this though and aren’t dumb like guys who need it spelled out for them because we have shit social programming ever since the 70’s
Yeah, but when we browse TRP posts, we don't ever read, "How can I attract a strong independent wymyn with 3 PhDs???" it's, how can I seduce the barely literate (but attractive, fertile, and nubile) 18 year old HB10 bar-tender / barrista / restaurant hostess / college co-ed.
Women draw their SMV from their youth, beauty, and fertility.
And people wonder why MGTOW happens.
No shit Sherlock women aren't the prize.
Everybody upvoting you like you just said something profound.
Take my down vote.
That sub is a cesspool. How the FUCK are we quarantined but they’re not? They actually say the shit about men that we’re accused of saying about women (but never actually say).
Fuck knows. Its rage inducing isn’t it.
Yep.
Reddit is run by a small-minded bluepill idiot named "Spez" who insists that everyone has to think like he does or be punished. Don't expect him to use logic or apply rules fairly. It's all about promoting his agenda at all costs.
You should see the new rules that where released this week in the transparency rapport.
If a thread on a quarantined sub has content that breaks reddit TOS. You will get a warning or ban for upvoting said post.
Can’t wait till they link spezzid to your social credit score.
Spez is merely a vehicle. He's not the driver.
The drivers are chinese investors and ads
imagine being this misogynistic
They are merely standing up to the toxic patriarchy's centuries of female oppression sweatie.
Fuck I feel dirty even typing that.
Because they lean the correct direction (Feminist/Leftist/Marxist/) and we don't.
Pretty much EVERY quarantined sub is either right-leaning, reality-leaning, or in some way threatens the establishment or the delusions of a group or the myth of intersectionality itself.
They actually trash feminism on that sub. I took a long look, some of what they say is sorta Red Pill but not really. They basically trash feminism for making women have to pay 50/50 on dates but hey, it’s a start.
They may trash it, but they still act like they support it. They're all about the female supremacy/female advantage without responsibility.
This exactly. Definitely not something to be excited about.
Because women are endless victims and anything supporting women and minorities is assumed the correct viewpoint.
To see who has power over you, simply find out who you aren't allowed to critique.
Yup. I mean, fuck, you even got a commentary in the NYT that was praising FDS.
Imagine someone writing about TRP in a positive manner.
Emasculated males serves the agenda. Masculine males do not.
"Empowered" masculine females serves the agenda. Feminine females do not.
That's all you need to know to understand.
Blame the patriarchy.
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That’s not who we are, have fun being banned.
Every now and then I'll overhear the womens talking about men in private, and it's basically this.
My favorite was last summer by the pool i overheard two near-wall whales talking about how they can't find a decent guy, they have to take charge of everything, they have to lead, etc.
As they shoved yet another corn chip and sugar soda down their gullets
And at the same time totally hating on the "skinny girls" who are "being whores" with all the dudes. Women's lack of self-awareness and ambition can be profusely frightening.
that is true for 80% of the males too
That’s why only 20% get all the girls
Quick Maffs
In short, get your big dick energy levels up
Get your levels up by leveling up physically, financially, socially, and passionately.
Yeah like just be perfect, it’s not that difficult guys, gawd...
The idea of perfection is one of worst diseases a man can have in his mind.
You should strive to improve. Always. Get better. There's no end to that road, and you don't need any because it just keeps on giving.
Get rid of perfection asap, it just gets you miserable, stuck in comparisons and in your mind.
the mythical alpha figure is something to work for, but it doesn't mean you sabotage your potential by feeling not good enough
^ This?
This is the opposite of big dick energy. This is tiny itty bitty pee pee energy, and fuck, typing that felt dirty.
Bro, gonna give it to you straight:
If you can't commit to becoming who you want to be, don't bother. There's no prize for participation, and there's not even a guaranteed prize for second place, either.
You either become who you want, and succeed, or you don't, and fail.
This snarky, cucky bullshit? It is failure.
Gonna share the most valuable thing I have learned, and its gonna sound like a pithy truth, but, trust me, it cost me a ton of pain, tears, frustration and desperation to learn:
If you have time to complain, you have time to practice.
Replace complain for suffer, give up, jerk off, game, drink, or whatever the fuck your escapism of choice is.
None of this is easy. That's the reason the prize is so big. Because most don't make it.
To put it another way, 20% of the guys get 80% of the girls. This means that if you are 80% of the guys, you are fucked. But, if you make it to that 20%, you are set.
And you know what? "Just be yourself" will make you one of that 20%.
This is, when you redefine yourself to be a fit, confident, driven, fashionable, attractive man. When you leave the stench of desperation and failure in the floor of the gym's cold shower along with your sweat. I guess most people leave this last part out, but its the important one.
If you want an out of the ordinary girl, you have to be an out of the ordinary man. That's all there is to it.
Before you reply, if its any excuse about how ugly, stupid, deformed, incompetent, poor, or whatever in the fuck it is you are, I don't care, I will not argue, and I will wholeheartedly agree that you can not succeed, ever.
Cheers.
Best comment I've seen on here
could not have said that better.
Cheers to you Monsieur.
Despite what many people here believe, It's not about striving to be perfect, or even more desirable. It's about letting go of those concepts completely, so that the authentic self can emerge amidst the noise. Hence, 'be yourself'. There is nowhere to go, nothing to improve, you just need to remove the piles of muck and falsehood.
Misinformed RPers strive to be some mythologized 'alpha' figure. It's all bullshit. Do you think the actual 'alphas' are striving to be anything at all? Of course not. They just are who they are.
This is where people go "but you still have to learn to build confidence in some shape or form". Once again, bullshit. What do these people think confidence is, such that it can be built upon?
Don't try to build confidence, seek to destroy apprehension. We are naturally confident, naturally playful, naturally everything that a woman wants. The only thing that gets in the way is delusion.
Perfection is not a place you can be, nor something you can achieve. It is a movement, a direction, an activity etc.
As long as youre working hard towards perfection, then you are perfect.
Get this deep in your mind and you will be happy every single day of your life.
its difficult, and that's the reason not everyone does it.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
In short, dedicate and sacrifice your life to obtaining one thing and at the same time act jaded and uninterested towards it in order to obtain some pretty bad returns
No bro, the thing you should work to obtain, is happiness. That's it. And you shouldn't act jaded towards it if you ever get it, enjoy every second, treasure it, take pictures, and hope it lasts.
Chasing girls is akin to the dog that chases cars, with not a clue of what happens if it actually catches it.
But women are attracted to men who exhibit no interest in sex (because preselection - men who have plenty of sex already, and/or low libido highly industrious men)
No, they are attracted to men who aren't needy. You can have as much sex as you want once you get the girl. Hell, she will want you to.
You are confusing things, wanting to sleep with women, or a woman in particular, is fine, as long as you aren't needy about it.
I love the part about him being able to anticipate what she would like and be into...
These chicks are so basic it’s unbelievably easy to guess what they would be into.
Athletic, confident, witty, socially aware, ambitious...
So, basically all of the things that make a man attractive generally speaking also mean he'll be good in bed according to this thread. Honestly, it just looks like another group of women telling themselves everything that they want to hear. I guess it works as another example of female solipsism but I don't think there's much an already red pill aware man can get from it IMHO.
I wonder how much dick she had to go through before she reached these conclusions.
Just the right amount whatever that may be
Darlings , don’t you worry about me. I have some fine memories to take to the grave.
You wish you had my ‘SMV’. 💅🏼. High standards bring you high satisfaction.
And that also means regardless whether the guys TRP I can sniff his weakness out - because even if you hit the gym and have game or appear high value & try your hardest ....,you’re still behind in the game compared to me. It didn’t come naturally to you. You need validation I don’t- which completely changes the dynamic. A natural alpha can smell an imposter fast- some may string you along a little bit longer even once recognising that.
You’re still playing catch up where I’m already very advanced at weeding men out & give zero fucks about your ‘games’ due to the constant abundance of options. If I’ve dumped all the men in my life & had them chase me....why would I fear some puny TRP type trying to mess with me thinking he’s some mastermind? Lmao 👹 It’s obvious to me when a mans artificially trying to inflate his value- you rookies can’t help it.
An imposter gives himself away even when he thinks he’s not - mostly by his arrogance that he could fool me.
I’ve had a lot of men approach me in my time & thus it’s really not hard to spot you. You’re not the first fool tryna fool me 🤣 more like the 1000th guy approaching me. There’s a ton of huge giveaways which means you’re booted off my line very fast .
And regardless ....a man is going to play by my book & spend before I ditch him because he knows I have a ‘high SMV’ & I’m the prize. Even TRP men will do this they’re not fucking dumb. So I will always benefit more than you did from that equation- even if you ‘re slow to realise who you’re dealing with. And if he doesn’t want to oblige? Bye bye- there’s a line of men waiting to impress behind you. It really is of no real concern- I am not in some scarcity mode.
TRP men are light work to a woman who knows her value & has natural abundance. You’re very replaceable. This is your huge blindspot...
TRP assumes most women aren’t aware of their value /options & lack experience sniffing a rat. A woman that gets lots of attention from men & has success keeping them on her tail...knows how to sniff a rat. She’s in the driver seat dumping them working her way up the hypergamous route. Although you may really want to feel you got one over her- you didn’t- you just gave her more fuel to stay hypergamous.
That’s why you cling to your Pickmeisha plates so dearly- the only ones willing to pump your esteem longterm. Because an FDS woman that has esteem / intelligence & has actual options is gonna cut you off. She’s gonna have high standards to keep you around. She does not fear losing you because she can replace you quicker and is going to know you’re low value once she sniffs your TRP stuff out. There’s huge differences between a HVM & a TRP imposter- you wouldn’t be able to recognise since you can’t truly emulate what you don’t have naturally. But I can. You’re assuming I’ve never had a HVM before ...
So you’re essentially proud you can spin Pickmeisha plates- desperate naive women with low esteem who’ve been around the block & have to chase men a lot (indicating low value, similar to yourself- also the more desperate to bend to your whims she is- the more likely she is very attention seeking, has low self esteem & has a high N count . High maintenance women are pickier & won’t tolerate your antics for good reason). Realistically they’re the only plates you can keep spinning- ones who have low esteem are some kind of major issues. That hardly indicates you’re ‘high value’ & cheated the game. You just take the candy from a baby and declare yourself some high value mastermind 🤣A woman with self respect will throw you off- no matter how ‘slick’ you think you are....& it’s likely she will play it out & rinse you some more even after figuring you out- just for the audacity. The FDS woman will always walk away with more, every time. You don’t have her natural abundance.
Did you say that from your mouth or the roast beef sandwich you call your vagina?
Ooo billy beta Male is trying to get personal- that would only work if I didn’t get compliments on that region. Which I do. So thanks.
Haha I would eat most of your ego’s for breakfast IRL & lick my fingers when I’m done.
It’s hilarious watching you call us blue haired fat whales when I step outside my house and have males stuttering trying to flirt with me 24/7. You’re basically the types of loser I would intimidate.
Why do you think my posts keep hitting a nerve?? You know damn well why. Cos you know I know how you operate
I’m giving my game away to women that are too nice to seething beta males like you. Quite frankly it’s boring when you get to my level. Quite frankly most of you do not deserve a nice woman. Quite frankly the more male interest I got the more I saw through you. Women playing nice in this game are straight losers and you hate women like me knowing that- because you don’t give a fuck about women and kids....just your fragile ego and PP
Sorry gotta get back to my sub. More losers to cock block & pickmeisha’s to peak
Chow chow
This is the Final Boss THOT and STILL seeking that male validation.
LMAO this bitch is delusional.
I'm late but it's funny how despite her supposed smv she still feels the need to qualify herself, hilarious.
She's trying to qualify herself via male validation. I bet she's not like other girls
"tryna"
Lol you just let everyone know your worth right there.
wow you guys really do have a dim bulb upstairs huh- now you're making up stuff
I do know my place in the food chain. Why do you think I talk down to you? Anyway, I told you last time, no talking with my cock in your mouth. Maybe if you listened instead of running your mouth, you'd learn.
You really are a complete cringe bag- you can't even insult me properly without having some wild fantasy idealisation about something you would never have the opportunity to do.
Lmao beta males are beta for life they can't help it- everything you do is out of weakness and insecurity- one giant cope and spitting your dummy out
Nobody wants your little 3inch raisin in their mouth you pathetic loser
LMAO I bet theres some guys I rejected on dates within this community- I can tell.
Lol watching you make up shit to try to convince yourself you're empowered is hilarious. Listen, just because no one wants your stank ass fishy pussy isn't a reason to be bitter. Try washing that filthy cunt for a change instead of taking your anger out on other people and maybe someone will want to be around you. Although just based on your personality it's pretty obvious why you're alone.
Imagine failing this hard in 2020 with your cringey attacks. And listen, one last time, no talking with my cock in your mouth. It's bad enough you're not capable of swallowing a load without gagging, but the least you can do is keep your inane opinions to yourself while in your rightful place kneeling in front of me.
Getting a little on a tangent here but the fear of a “pick up artist”, someone who has learned attracting women as a skill rather than a perceived reflection of unlearned, innate qualities in a man is very amusing. Women are inherently repulsed by the idea of being “tricked”, even though they can read a million “how to get your ideal man and keep him interested” articles without blinking an eye. Everybody I talk to about pick up artists base their opinion on a caricature from 15 years ago, the goofy nerd who somehow insults (their perception of negging) their way into a woman’s pants.
Meanwhile, you read into this woman’s “tells” for a HSMV man and you see the modern interpretation of the “neg” in her description. “Ping my sarcasm back at me” “not desperate, sniffing does chemistry” means knocking her back a little and qualifying a woman for you, respectively. These things are together the modern interpretation of negging, but they have no idea.
women like to think they can see thru any and all PUA tactics
they're wrong they can only see through guys that aren't good at it
while I'm very far from having great game, I've done enough approaching and practicing that I can run routines and make th4m seem natural. after hundreds if not over 1000 approaches, I can count on one hand the number of women who have accused me of running material. meanwhile they all laugh at the exact same points in the stories/routines
fact is good PUAs come across as spontaneous and natural to the girl. they are just not either smart or curious or willing to give up the validation to take the mask off
100% agree.
So other than sex... What does she have on offer?
Well, if all they want is a strong dick and a good fuck, that seems fair.
Babymaking. Not kidding. That is their justification why men have to pay for dates.
Does anybody else feel bad for women out there?
Like imagine being a woman and trying to find decent friends-- it's a fucking desert.
My friends are other business owners, guys that train to fight, guys with a mission. Guys with options.
My wife's friends.... suck.
My exes-- most of their friends suck.
It's bleak for women.
It’s their own fault. Zero sympathy.
Like what I mean man go over to the subreddit two x chromosomes.
Can you imagine if that's the pool that you have to pick your friends from?
It's awful lol.
Men ARE luckier than women. You just have to realize it.
Gets little homeboys over here through the anger phase way faster
I guess. But think about it. What would it be like for a woman out there trying to make their way?
Just imagine trying even to find a husband that doesn't just sit around playing video games.
It's like this. If you are a high-value man you don't really have much competition.
But every woman has to compete against every other woman.
Whoever downvotes me is a beta cuck
100% feel bad for women man. The more I grow up the closer I get to more women the more I recognize how fucking hard it is to find a good social group as a women and honestly pity them. I honestly think any red pilled man who sees the world as it is without a million filters and biases is gonna end up feeling bad for women because the emptiness of women's peer relationships is, for the most part, unavoidable, widespread and unmistakable.
Well articulated. It's got nothing to do with all the #metoo and feminism crap-- I'm not talking about the red pill anger phase (shit I never went through luckily lol) or anything.
I'm saying imagine you're a woman, or you have a daughter that's coming up these days.
It's a worse world for women due to the same reason it is for most men these days.
I don't care really since it doesn't concern me.
You're a weird dude
Your translations are a little off, you didn't spot the added nuance. They don't just want a dominant masculine man to take charge and get what he wants, which is what you think about when using RP philosophy. Instead they want a man who knows what they want, who is better at leading both lives. In that case you're supposed to create value not for yourself but for her as well. There's a reason why TRP doesn't breed long term relationships.
And I think it's because of this slight nuance in mentality, where you actually just look at it from an individualist standpoint.
TRP does breed long term relationships provided you want them.
Point of it is, be the best you, be with who makes you happy, and be happy. That's it. If some girl makes you happy, congrats, a lot, I think probably most guys, are looking for that.
That said, there is an intrinsic difference in purpose between the two subs:
TRP is about self improvement, it is about becoming the key that can open a lot of locks, and in particular, the locks that would bring you happiness.
FDS is about being a trap lock that can both identify and capture the key it thinks will bring it happiness. FDS is at its core, about neediness, if you think that the women there are the kinds you'd like to date, I'd say... lurk more, the place is full of the mentally ill, cept its not warning coloration mentally ill, but still, venus flytraps at best.
Neither sub is really about love, but if I'd say TRP makes it more likely to find it, for in the end, its about getting the tools to go and find it.
FDS is about passively waiting for it to come, and hopefully its the one you trap, and if you get bored, bail. It is not a place of self improvement or even self examination. Its a hugbox of "yas slay queen, you deserve better".
That said, as men, we are limited in that, their approach, well, it could never even work for us, absent significant money. Even then, odds are you wouldn't like what you passively catch.
Don't you think that the flytraps are there because of all the keys that fly around opening other locks?
These strategies just perpetuate a divide between the sexes, and soon dating will only be about control. I don't think that's the future that anyone wants.
I think it's important to look for a more balanced approach which can still be about the man being in control (since it's pretty clear that women want to be led) and at the same time grant the woman the value that she wants.
If you're planting the seed in her mind that she could lose you at any point or even go so far as to emotionally manipulate her, it would be best to use it for a sustainable ideal that includes her benefit rather than doing it just for your own. And when you find someone better to not just up and leave her with frustration, but have an adult conversation trying to iron everything out.
It's a sort of respect for the future one should uphold himself to, I'd compare it to the native american idea of giving back to the earth when you took something, to preserve an equilibrium. We should have this respect towards every relationship too.
Well, I agree, this is a great comment. Thing is, this already exists, let me elaborate.
Roughly, I think its fair to divide TRP into two camps, Game(as it was described and popularized by Strauss, Mystery, etc), and Natural Game (As described in say, Models, everyone should read this book).
Approach 1 is smoke and mirrors. I've done it, I think most guys have done it, and it, well, leads to really bad breakups, because it is, essentially, about pretending. At some point, the material, routines, etc, run out. I think, when you talk about control, you mean this, and yes, the game approach relies on negs and pull and push and the like to try and foster codependency on the girl. And I'm not gonna lie, it works... until it doesn't. And, when it stops working on a girl, the relationship absolutely disintegrates.
Approach 2, well, you aren't pretending or planting anything at any point, I mean, she will get that same vibe that she might lose you, but its not one born of machiavellian manipulation, but rather one that is born from the fact that your charisma and SMV is so high, and she sees how other girls respond to you. Now, this is what approach 1 tries to emulate, but, when it occurs naturally, it doesn't create resentment. In fact, the resentment mostly comes from things being an act with approach 1.
But a big difference is also in the kinds of girls you attract and keep in both approaches, simply put, approach 1 encourages one to find, and keep, if not mentally ill, rather codependent and needy girls. Among other things, because since everything is a performance, and there tends to be an undercurrent of neediness, the guy will tend to hold onto whatever floats by. Not to mention Game is sorta designed to maximize those tendencies in the girls.
Approach 2, well, has one being a lot more discerning about girls, changing the factor between girl that likes you, to girl that you like, itself means the girls you tend to get, are more stable. And you sorta want them to be sorta independent because, well, you have all of this cool shit to do that is completely unrelated to them to do. Just hitting the gym and following your passions takes a while. There is no need to pretend to be unavailable or fake anything because, well, you tend to be unavailable. Similarly, there is no need to stand in front of a mirror telling yourself you need a mentality of abundance, because there are tons of girls hitting on you/responding positively.
Which means, the girls you end up committing to, for any period of time, tend to be girls you actually like, and thus, there is a natural tendency to try and be in good terms with them, because, well, they are cool to have around regardless of if you are fucking them.
This is a long ass post to say: I agree with you, but I felt it required elaborating on the underlying things.
Honestly, I've found, after being with this community for a while, and doing... a few things, starting with Cocky and Funny by D'Angelo, that all anybody really needs is to hit the gym, read Models and How to make friends and influence people, and, well, go outside.
We tend to act like women are outlandish monsters and we build them to be so in our minds. And I say we, cause at some point, I did too.
Hanging with them enough truly changes your perspective, most of em? They smell nice, are soft to the touch, good to cuddle, provide excellent cardio and endorphins, and generally, make life better.
That said... any high is a potential trap, and women are probably the highest high I've had. The trap, which is always there, is thinking we ever get to relax, go watch tv, and stop... well, being alpha, I guess.
I've discovered that we don't. The reason making the gym, passions, going out, etc, habits is so important is because, if we break those habits and regress, the supply gets cut. Its just how it works, and it does sorta suck, but eh.
We evolved for a world where we'd have to hunt and fight our whole lives, every day. The idea we get to be comfy and have what we want is a modern one and it sorta... well, fucks people up.
I have less free time than I've ever had in my life, and yet, I have never been happier. Thinking back, that has been the case when things are going well. On the other hand, the times I've had tons of time on my hands... I've never been more miserable. Sorta odd how it works, but boredom makes girls miserable too, so...
Cheers.
how long did you do infield approach 1 before you came to this conclusion? I feel like my experience with approach 2 has yielded very few results because I"m either not nearly as good looking or more socially retarded with women than you or both and so I feel like even being older. Approach 1 seems like a necessary starting point and that Approach 2 is a natural transition but suddenly being natural is silly plus what is REALLY natural ? ok I'm not planning on memorizing every line and be a canned robot. is that what your def of Approach 1 is? cuz I think that's just an extreme/zealot version.
You are thinking about it the wrong way. The thing is, it is one of those things where the answer doesn't matter, think 42 and hitchhiker's, what matters is how you arrive at the answer.
So, do this:
Hit the gym. As a habit.
Join a dance class, or similar, something that gets you in touch with women, so you get used to their presence, talking to them, and so on.
Stop thinking.
That last one is important. You are not doing approach 2 if you are thinking of terms of whether girls like you, approach 2 requires you to think in terms of whether you like the girl.
This isn't a trick, changing that, changes, well, everything. Don't act as if girls are a prize. I'm sure you've heard about putting pussy on a pedestal, and not doing so. This is what it means. Be completely indifferent, girls are not the prize, you are.
Now, you'll think that that's patently untrue, because you are trying to get girls, but, a better approach is thinking that you are trying to be happy.
Gonna put it another way, if you just want a girl, any girl, go outside right now and proposition a homeless chick. Would that make you happy? I'm guessing no.
Well, let's move up then, go and hit on a 1 or a 2 that's not homeless, but is the kind of deformed hambeast that gets human contact only when her parents change her food. Bet that wouldn't do either.
Point being, you got to get out of the mentality that "any girl will do", or that "you want girls to like you". Mostly cause it repels them. And yes, they can feel it.
What I'm getting at is, are you really that ugly, that stupid or that retarded? Or is it that the girls feel the neediness and are repelled by it? For most people, and trust me, I was there, it's the neediness. When girls feel like you'll take any girl, well, would you want a girl that any guy could easily have? No, it reduces the value of that girl, to 0. The more can have it and the easier it is, the less her value.
Point being, whatever you say, doesn't really matter. To be honest, how fit you are, probably doesn't matter that much either. What matters is what your tone of voice, body language, and etc, say about you.
That's why approach 1 centers on trying to give the impression that you are a cool, confident, desirable, and desired, guy. But, if you truly think about it, all of the things you pretend, come naturally when you change to approach 2.
If you are thinking on terms of whether you like this girl, you are naturally qualifying her. You are naturally being non needy, as you divide your attention among the group. You are naturally result independent, for whether you get the girl or not, doesn't really hit you, and, well, you get what I mean.
Now, getting there is the hard part, but, when you do, well, it feels amazing. Going into a club with the attitude that you are looking for a girl you like, well, attracts them.
But this has run long, but I hope it helped you. All of this is hard to convey, but really, read models if you havent, and really, really internalize it.
As for the question you closed with: the thing is that, when you change your mentality, and girls start, well, in a way, chasing you (it's not like they throw themselves at you, but they do flood you with chances, and interest, and attention), you realize that, what you say, doesn't actually matter. It's all in the how you say it.
So, the material isn't gonna hurt, and might even help, but... it's pointless. Instead of it, you could be working on yourself. That's what I meant.
Here, I'll give you something really good, since I get the vibe that you don't know "what" to say:
Say something that terrifies you. Not as an act, like, share a fear, a worry, a concern, show vulnerability. This both displays power, and gets most girls to open up.
I was gonna give examples, but it doesn't matter, anything will work as long as its sincere.
The principle of why it works, matters more:
Low value men and betas, build thick, unimpregnable armor, and tend to get testy when something could hurt them, or humiliate them, or whatever. They tend to be stuffy, and feel, well, fragile.
When you share vulnerability, you are saying you, well, you don't fear this girl. And when you share a part of you, well, she feels like sharing in return, it's just how people work. Someone that gives someone else their fears freely, in a confident way, is saying: I'm strong, you can trust me.
Well, that turned into a novel. Hope it's of use, good luck and keep at it bro.
It’s not about being led.
I don’t respect weak people who need constant instructions- Male or female. I require people around me to be assertive no matter what. I don’t want a wimp but neither do I want some control freak either (because that’s still stemming from weakness) . It’s about balance.
Therefore I have respect for someone who knows how to think for themselves- and that cuts out nagging & arguments...since they already respect me enough to read what I expect/want from them.
Women don’t benefit from being passive lol ...look around at society women being doormats having babies to trash men who have no desire to grow up. That fucks everybody- Male or female...hence why smart women have to be ruthless strategists. Assertiveness in women is essential or you could quite LITERALLY get yourself killed by a man or abandoned with a young baby.
Most men get constantly ditched because they’re insecure & try too hard to triangulate & artificially inflate their value...like the men here at TRP. They scare off any potential high value interest, that otherwise might of took them seriously.
TRP is not a game plan to benefit society- it’s 90% about men pumping & dumping. It only benefits males but males don’t have the babies. That doesn’t benefit society since most men don’t use protection nor do they care what womans led underneath them 9/10
If a man is using TRP to get a good woman it ain’t gonna happen ...only a woman with hidden issues /low esteem is gonna stick around for that. And women with low esteem who are super passive tend to have high N counts- despite what you think. They are more desperate for validation & do not make good mothers (too passive & weak willed). High maintenance women are pickier...& they expect more from men which keeps them on their toes & prevents them from slipping into mediocrity
They may not see it at first but it’s bound to leak out. No smart woman who’s wife material is going to be a doormat- she’s going to have high standards & spot the tomfoolery. She is not going to see value in a guy running TRP tactics- it’s going to scare her off.
This is a really interesting distinction. I noticed the reference to the man’s effort to read her and her wants and expectations but didn’t fully grasp the people pleasing aspect of it.
Now perhaps this is simply being agreeable in the bedroom but it also makes me wonder about the need for female validation. Not that these men are needy or insecure (quite the opposite) but they are definitely working hard for their spoils.
I can’t remember the comedian, may have been Bill Burr or Patrice O’Neal, but the gist of it was that it takes a lot of skill to be a player. It takes practice, energy and resilience. Whereas women don’t have to do shit to get laid. They just have to show up.
TRANSLATION (for the entire sub): Be the prize.
I read some stuff on FDS for entertainment. I actually agree with a lot of the stuff on there.
The whole subreddit is obsessed with marriage. No one is talking about true love or romance but rather what kind of value can a man provide to a woman and how quickly can you get a man to marry you.
It is all very honest but the whole thing is very transactional and gold-digging... effectively glorified prostitution and manipulation. It emboldened my resolve to never get married.
Men are divided into low-value male and high-value male. If you are doing things right then you are a zero value male as you are enjoying your life and not spending energy and effort supplicating these gold diggers.
I think this girl is just describing her fantasy Alpha Bucks and you seemed to take a bait.
(Not denying some TRP truths either tho)
It's simply laughable that there exists a sub for "female dating strategy." Sounds like hamstering to convince themselves that they too put some work on getting males to like them
I remember walking into the room with my ex on speakerphone to her best girl friend, having D and Ms about life and her friend was complaining about her beta male boyfriend pining for big dicks, and basically goes off on a tirade about just how much she “LOVE A BIG DICK, just fucken love it!”
And how she needs one to take her right now, and my ex is looking at me embarrassed and shoos me out of the room... while I’m silently laughing my head off and miming taking a girl doggy style and spanking the air...
Let’s just say the friend broke up with her beta male boyfriend shortly after that... felt sorry for her though as she was welllllll past her prime at 31yo and her face was developing the look of a miserable old pug dog.
We would title it. Once your a top 5-10% male with these traits you can spin 5-10 plates.
Last time I’ve been browsing their subreddit it looked like an echo chamber for people hating anal sex.
today's woman thinks of improving herself in the following ways:
solipsism says that they're already perfect and don't need to improve. they want YOU to improve to meet her standards... while you shouldn't have any standards.
you guys know what to do... just keep doing it.
Good post mate.
That entire subreddit is a goldmine of RP truths. I think the "lie about your N-count" one is my favorite. They openly acknowledge men prefer virgins (although they do bitch about it).
" So I’ll be the first to admit that I get curious. "
GAY!
Damn, secrets out now.
kNoW yOuR wOrTh siS!!!
I've seen more men bashing than anything and yet they are not quarantined and we are?
Modern society gives special help to people who are less capable in life.
Great translations. All these points(Abundance, OI, purpose, dominance, social skills/calibration, quick wit, confidence, success and a healthy good physique) are the bedrock for being a high value man for yourself and for the benefits they bring.
FDS is fucked up in the sense that upon reading their "sidebar" they seem to want a "high value beta" male. A guy that is overly caring, considerate, will bend over backwards for them, is successful, etc. These women remind me of what profiles as a female lawyer or investment banker. A dominant, career obsessed woman looking to wear the pants in her relationships. Not feminine.
They're basically redpilled men without the logic or reasoning capabilities to realize they need to improve themselves to get what they want.
You’re confused. I have dumped all the men bar one mutual ending, who chased me and pursued a relationship
Don’t have a shortage of men wanting to commit or have my babies
However most men are high risk & cannot convince me to sacrifice my independence/sanity especially decades of life- because 90% are untrustworthy , another 5 % are gay
I am unwilling to pour so much time into a man unless he is 100% worth it- it’s too much investment for such a high risk & low probability of yielding value in return.
Even with all the self improvement & careful choices in the world - most men are not playing fair & square in this game - hence why FDS is purely about female benefit . We see attractive successful loyal women being disrespected or abused by men who are lower value than them & lucky to get a chance all the time. It isn’t just down to our ‘choices’ then is it. It’s also men’s responsibility. Take a look at crime stats
Men refuse to step up & change- therefore we respond to that by not playing by your bent rules . We have the babies- you don’t. Therefore we have to prioritise ourselves in a mans game - until it’s no longer his game (society isn’t benefitting from Male dominance- even men)
Literally sounds like you're describing 90% of women. So I guess it applies to everyone. I was lucky and found the perfect woman for me. I obviously would never have gotten her if I didn't try to be all I can be, which the redpill helped with. And we both emphasize self improvement and communication. It's fucking great. Best of luck to ya, just try not to lose your soul completely like a lot of redpilled men and women do.
Also, no shit that we commit most violent crime, we have more tesosterone. Part of the redpill is playing to our strengths and recognizing our weaknesses.
But this is just about sniffing the aspect of sexual competency.
I have binned 98% of men who I got into a relationship with. Including tall masculine attractive men with six packs, men who were good in bed/were witty etc. Thus sexual competency alone does not make you high value to me. It’s a plus yes but it’s not enough to save you from being cut off. It is one piece of the puzzle.
Being high up the chain i have easy access to men that are skilled , attractive & want to please me. And yes a good deal want to take me seriously- but that doesn’t mean I see them as valuable enough to marry. If I was convinced I would not have dumped them- they were lacking somewhere. If they’re some insecure TRP man underneath...I will sniff that weakness & it will repulse me.
You’re judging this from a fickle male perspective where only looks matter- women are looking for more than that. Good chemistry & relationship skills that indicate he’d be a good father /long term material that won’t kill me or abandon me with a baby. A man that won’t constantly disrespect & cheat- because that would lead to a broken home. Because a high value woman is not going to tolerate that. It’s too much risk - she will put her self respect over a low value Male any day. She’s avoiding the broken home at all costs& taking no prisoners.
And high value women are picky to avoid that scenario. But it’s like dodging constant bullets because too many men go against the tide & are entitled - expect loyalty & respect longterm but won’t show it back . Look at Jay Z cheating on Beyonce(a glorified pickmeisha). Where there is such a huge unbalance- there is going to be fireworks later down the line. It’s inevitable. Men need boundaries. TRP is grooming more men to end up in these scenarios.
Because realistically most these men will get bored & seek long term relationships eventually but they will not possess the healthy attitude to maintain one with a HVW- thus she will dump them because she can afford to (women have more potential options than men). Most these men are not good looking or rich enough to keep up the facade forever & most seem ignorant to the fact it’s rare to find genuine chemistry. Yes we all see ppl we are attracted to on a daily basis but most the time it doesn’t go beyond that. But the men here assume there is a never ending abundance of hot women you have a shit load In common with willing to take you seriously. That’s not real life though. In real life you will age and these women will get snapped up easier. Women just simply have more options open to them to do that.
Also if they’re lacking in intelligence, including emotional intelligence & the ability to be vulnerable- that will also put me off. Why would I want to procreate with a stingy control freak who’s scared to open up & plays constant insecure mind games? How exactly are we going to communicate? Nope it’s yet again going to scare a HVW off & make her run into some other guys arms for safety
What women want is balance. And I have met men that almosssst got it, we’re both masculine & able to open up....but as usual were lacking somewhere. I don’t want a wimp but don’t want a man with a fragile ego & a need to overpower women like those on here either.
This is just zooming in on the aspect of sexual competency which is essential to a lasting relationship but it’s only one piece of a much bigger pie. Sexually competent men are replaceable for a HVW. Women don’t just value a man on his dick performance
Just because you tick some of these boxes by manipulation does not make you high value/ irreplaceable to most women. You can’t fool a HVW long. As stated- I have binned off sexually competent masculine men as I can afford to be picky & I have a higher threshold than ‘just work out & be competent in bed to spend the rest of your life with me’. Sorry that’s not enough to save you from being upgraded . A relationship is not all about just sex because without mental stimulation/respect I am going to get bored & replace you. That’s what it is to an LVM though.. & it’s why they get weeded out.
What a waste of time.
Nothing can be learned from these"people" it is like asking a fish how to go fishing.
On the contrary. We make a lot of hypotheses here, but there's nothing like getting confirmation for our predictions.
Women don't even know what they want, let alone know how to communicate it. It's the reason you don't ask your mother, sister or female friends on how to get women. They'll tell you the wrong answer right to your face and not even know they're doing it.
Whether women can tell you or not is irrelevant. The truth always leaks out through behaviors.
True but these aren't genuinely observed behaviors. This self reported behaviors. I think there's a lot of honesty in the OP and I think the majority of TRP principals apply in this situation.
My general disagreement with you is believing a woman when she says basically anything about herself or her behavior.
Women won't tell you the truth. They tell each other the truth all the time. On a sub where they're anonymous, they have no reason to worry about n-counts or what you think of them.
That doesn't really explain all the other subreddits where they all lie to each other to make themselves feel better.
“Be yourself” Not entirely wrong. They just leave out the part where you need to remove every delusional beta apprehension that keeps your true, alpha male nature locked away. Be your true, idealized self.
and confirmation is by their reactions, not their statements. Highly recommend Patriece O’Neal.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
And rarely do men get to read/hear in such an overt and direct way. They all want the dominant masculinity that TRP can provide for those that want it. But if you were to tell a chick that you are, you’ll get ghosted instantly. You must demonstrate and prove your dominant masculinity is ubiquitous and not just an insecure facade.
The reason that this was posted to TRP is BECAUSE it confirms TRPs predictions... This is called selection bias. There are thousands of other posts on that subreddit, what percentage would you say confirm TRP predictions as well as this one?
An entire subreddit dedicated to female dating strategy and coincidentally, all the posts confirm TRP?
Okay, you got me. Show me a non-red-pill female dating forum in which women lovingly date fat ugly bald guys and prefer it when you say "I love you" on the first date.
I'll wait here.
So we are taking what women say online at face value now?
All of them, are you sure? Even the ones that are completely fake? Is this stat similar to Kim Jong Uns 100% approval rating?
You sperging out or do you genuinely not understand generalizations?
I'm sperging out...
If you see shit data and see confirmation of your theory that only proves that you're seeing what you want to see. Especially if you cherry pick one post out of thousands
They aren’t necessarily saying they want to be caught, but they are telling you the best kind of worm (bait)
I honestly don't agree with your comment and feel exactly the opposite, i.e., when even the fish are like "yup, that's gonna do it, reel me in," you know you're doing it right.
But I heard this phrase the first time ever and I had a good laugh. The next time I am in a situation where I realise I'm not going to get any answers, I will remember to utter this out loud!
everything after "they were in shape" is just hamstering from the girl. Some of her 'points' have contradictions in them. IE: "If the guy is charismatic he's good in bed but also if he's stoic (not charismatic).
It's literally all her hamster.
Stoic does not necessarily mean a lack of charisma
9 upvotes on his comment is not a sign that it's of value, it's an indicator of the lack of understanding of redpill concepts the members of this subreddit have.
You fail to understand different situations require different protocols. When dealing with tragedy, stoicism is the protocol. In times of peace, charisma is the protocol. You have to know how to act in the proper situation.
I didn't make any comments in regards to stoicism or charisma. It's not even the focus of this chain of comments. Did you respond to the wrong comment accidentally?
Check Domebeers’s comment.
His comment was about how all that matters is looks and everything else was hamstering, the stoicism part was thrown out as as an example. Not the focus. My comment about him not understanding redpill concepts was because he thinks hot guys will always do well by the merrits of their looks and that is incel speak. Not redpill theory.
The common denominator is that you can’t show weakness or insecurity.
Also "If you want a chick to like you, don't like them"
You might be onto something here.
do overweight balding ugly guys that also do all of the above also give off big dick energy? Or are they seen as frauds or something else?
women think backwards. They backwards rationalize all their behaviour. Ego protection, blah blah blah.
So she wants to fuck a guy, for whatever reason. It could be as simple as "I'm horny". She's a women so she can't be honest with herself. So she starts inventing reasons why she wants to fuck a guy. She only fucks guys with 'big dick energy' in this case. So every guy she wants to fuck is backwards rationalized to have 'big dick energy'.
I thought that sub was just memes
Read up until the witty/sarcasm part. Honestly this is trying way too hard for me. Focus on money and hobbies. Let women chase you.
I can totally understand a chick shit testing and maybe a little bit sarcastic in a playful way but too much of that without bringing enough to the table (or even with it.. sometimes sarcasm translates as resentment and anger issues) I’ll just ghost and may give her my two cents on why I’m not interested.
Women can literally solve SO MUCH of their relationship problems by some simple self reflection and corrective measures.
Being fuckable and good in bed isn’t enough. When I date I’m dating to find a wife and mother to my future children. To me, there is no other point in dating or establishing relationships with women. I’d actually take a “vanilla sex life” with a good virtuous woman over some sex freak who can’t even prepare healthy meals, keep a clean house, help raise our kids properly etc.. its kind of funny how much emphasis we all place on sex while negating the other far more important aspects of a relationship.
That being said I agree with most of this post.
Amen, brother. Sex is, and always was important, but at this point, respecting who I choose to spend the rest of my life with is just as important. Great sex with someone I'm unhappy being with used to be tolerable, but I'd prefer alright sex with a great woman.
This is all just too much trouble.
You're doing it wrong.
Don't look for evidence to support theories.
Make observations and form theories that fit the evidence.
Both. Make observations to form theories to fit the evidence. Then look for more evidence to support that theory until it is cemented as truth.
Fine but only one of those things matter and the other is pointless dinner conversation at best.
The MGTOW and WhereAreAllTheGoodMen subs have been onto FDS for a while.
Personally I'm sick of hearing about the sub, so much of what is posted there is absurd.
But yes I agree, the ultimate irony of the sub--aside from the fact that it's yet another instance of women thinking they're geniuses by copying shit that men do--is that they think they're helping women land HVM, when all they are doing is proving every single concept about dating that the Manosphere has been discussing for at LEAST a decade.
They're arrogant, stupid, and self-absorbed, though, so they will never get it.
People need to see this.
Today's feminist wants traditional responsibility from the man, but want only liberal freedoms for the woman.
Shout out to Gamelova. I got you my friend, and I agree wholeheartedly. People will see this.
These are good points, but a lot of this has to do with height and physical appearance as well.
But they don’t wanna spins shallow when they say it.
In short, be a man.
So flowers, poetry, and a box of chocolates will still work, but only if I'm naked and swinging my male-average member around like a party favor?
(minor ninja edits)
I have better things to do than to perform for some 'possible' relationship material. I'll work out because it benefits me personally. The rest, no thanks, I'm not a monkey, but then I'm MGTOW and pretty much have relationships with women on my terms only or not at all. I guess that's 'abundance mentality' but who's keeping track?
The problem is that as men we need to have an abundance mindset. A high value male is not his physique, or financials. It's his demeanor and ability to stand by his decisions and be unmoved by the chirping of the outside world. Women who proactively seek men with financial security and land them, end up seeing the actual high value male on the side while being kept by the weak minded but financially stable male. Abundance is the key to being free because once you realize you don't need anyone or anything except yourself, everything else is bullshit. It's not confidence, its not giving a fuck and doing what needs to be done. Someone doesn't agree? Not your problem. She doesn't want you? Lmao fuck it there's 3 billion of her. Move on and never look back. And when she comes back, you handle business but never put her past a fuck buddy. That is a high value male.
The real question is, have you met a high value female???
I will never understand why you people choose to waste your precious time on that sub. Seriously, go do something more productive.
Some people prefer their trashy in the form of reality TV, some prefer to read it in a subreddit they despise...
Yea, I also think some of the things they attribute to high quality/ value man is building a better beta.
Even a hamster wheel spins properly twice a day
Thanks for the translation of girlspeak OP, but let's not fall into the trap of believing that everything they say is true if only we could understand their language.
Much of what women say is simply because it sounds good or to make themselves look better or feel better.
The other day I was having a discussion about a relationship that I had a long time ago with some girl I dated before I met my my wife. After I told her all the details about how the relationship went south, my wife just chuckled and said that the girl in question was using a book called "All the Rules" by Ellen Fein. I read the book right after that and sure enough, there was every tactic in it that she had used on me. The book came out exactly one year before I had met her. My wife said it was made of the same b.s. that teenage girls read about in mags like cosmo, etc.
My take away from all this is even though they identified all the things women traditionally want in a man... it ultimately wasn't enough for them.
Even if you Max big dick energy women are children it's not worth it to put any effort for them, I personally don't like having a mission and be charismatic just work 9-5 shit fuck eat be healthy and have fun
Having fun and not worrying about shit could also be considered a mission.
That is why no one will remember your name
Is this supposed to be some revelation? This is literally been the standard forever, in media, at home, everywhere. Of course you should be fit, unless you're disabled, you have no excuse to be out of shape. Be interesting, be confident, don't be an asshole, don't be creepy or needy. This isn't a revelation guys, and if you think it is, you've got some work to do.
No of course not. If anything this post is just to laugh at how fds types say that we’re full of shit then go and post stuff like that.
But then again, so many people are unfit and uninteresting so its worth talking about.
Interesting.
I use to browse it, but I made a comment in the MGTOW sub and was immediately banned from femaledatingstrategy. Talk about literal Hitler.
Wait...what irony? It seems like a significant cross-over of philosophy. It seems they agree with the tactics whole-heartedly.
...so what's the news here?
Well, take what they say with a grain of salt.
If you take a look at their Handbook, there is a section about demanding men to treat them like a queen or "highly invest on the girl" from the start (with money and quality dates). And all around there are advice to withhold sex until the guy has "proven himself".
It just looks like the "strategies" of this sub are for post-wall woman settling for a beta provider, which is highly contradictory, because it's supposed to be a way to get high SMV guys.
Fuck women. I'll be all of these things, but still disregard them or break their hearts. This is literally too much work. Too much burden on my shoulders.
Exactly. Fuck these hoes hearts is the conclusion I’ve reached after reading the Burden of Performance by Rollo. Great read.
Lmao @ hasn’t been laid in six months! FDS proving their own awareness of misogyny, or at least their awareness of misogyny attracting them!
Sounds like she fucked alot of chads.
More proof that main stream culture does not know what a "neg" is. Based off of everything I've heard from the type that uses that word, they think a "neg" is teasing someone in a mean way or being critical of someone but in reality that's just a miscalibrated mistake. Remember, the correct response to an actual neg is positive.
Also, something of note. Notice how right from the hooooorses mouth we can see she expects double standards through out. It is fine for her to be borderline insulting but if she feels that way then shit's going to get vicious. Be like superman. Let those dumb jabs of hers bounce off you. Be invulnerable and she'll become vulnerable.
As I grow older, I wonder to myself "what can a woman provide for me, that I can't or don't already have, besides sexual pleasure?" Why try so hard to impress a woman? I choose self-improvement, for well, myself.
I dropped in on their forum the other day just to see how the other half lives. Some of it was fairly entertaining (poking fun at beta 40 year old divorced men, etc.) and is somewhat similar to the humor that happens here. At the same time, for a subreddit that has "strategy" in the title there's very little strategy going on there. The most salient advice given is "here is an example of a low value male; avoid men like this" and, conversely "this is an example of a high value male; engage men such as this." There's nothing in the way of self-improvement, or self-acknowledgement of why they may be stuck in the situation that they—as users of that particular subreddit—may have found themselves in the predicament that they do, surrounded by shitty men. My visit to the forum was enlightening in the sense that I realized that if the female users of the FDS subreddit were women of quality, they probably wouldn't hang out there—and then, following from this, the similar and accompanying realization that the same is likely true of TRP users, except that TRP redditors seem generally more interested in self-improvement.
There was one post that I noticed, however, that was rather telling. It was one regarding the "green flags" that a man might send out (as opposed to those trite, hackneyed "red flags" that women groan about ). Most of these were generally decent qualities that a man may have, but mixed among them was "Vulnerability."
The more experienced among us know that showing vulnerability (and its cause and cousin, weakness) is actually the death knell of a relationship for men. At first I thought that this was just another example of women saying they want one thing and—whether they know it or not—actually wanting another, but it is actually deeper than that I think. When women say they want a vulnerable man, they don't mean that exactly. (Some of our more word savvy and Latin-familiar users will recognize the word for what it is here: vulnus + able; that is the capability or ease of being wounded.) What women actually mean when they say they want a vulnerable man may mean that they want a man who they can control; not necessarily a man who is weak in the face of other men.
Lol, no negs allowed, but she can neg you all she wants because its her sharp sense of humor.
Who cares what these fat cows think?
That's what they are you know. No remotely attractive woman needs a dating strategy.
Wonder how many men did this «lady» fuck and suck to get so precise at anticipating which men would fuck her good.
Nothing new on this plane. Go to female pua forums like in the 201x you will see the same:
1) How I convince my crush [insert random high value guy] to come together with me 2) How I get rid of a female friend of a crush 3) Strategies for dates / club / school etc game, mainly focused on delaying of sex, texting with 10 other guys at the same time
It's called red pill because it is the red pill (one of them) ;-)
FDS is, and always will be, just a weak offshoot of RP strategy. It relies on us still being connected to the effeminate matrix and giving a shit about them the way that they want. Our egos are not wrapped up in their shit, and we have abundance mindsets.
Lol, big dick energy isn't about how good men are in bed XD
That sub can be summed up as: [email protected] all the hawt guys you want, you deserve it grrrrrl power
and also simultaneously
where are all the good men? I’m over 30, drink too much wine and cry myself to sleep every night
Hmmm so if FDS is redpill equivalent, what is RPW?
Trp>RPW MgTOW>FDS
Bluepill men. Women are by default redpilled in nature. I don't know why they still need that sub.
You could not be more wrong. Women don't know what they want OR need, and current culture only exacerbates this problem. It's why they're so susceptible to RP techniques.
Being red pilled in nature does not mean you are not susceptible to red pill game just as how being a sociopath does not mean you are invincible to sociopathic game.
Thank you for providing us with something good because we had some useless stuff on here lately!
If you think pointing and laughing is high society, then we have a serious problem here.
lol this makes me not wanna improve myself just to spite them.
Imagine being genuinely threatened by FDS.
Who said anything about being threatened?
It's how simpletons speak. They only can discuss things in terms of good, ungood, double good and double ungood. Retards like this are a character of the human race.
LOL.
The only ones feeling threatened are FDS by us, because RP techniques WORK. FDS' delusions are threatened by RP truth.