I am sick of hearing women wanting a “traditional man” when they aren’t willing to be traditional woman.

TheChocolateBarsGuy · 2021-07-04T22:04:20+00:00

If there was a male equivalent of that subreddit it would be called hate group and be all over the media 😂

Ceruleanknight1 · 2021-07-04T20:03:55+00:00

If I have a girlfriend and she wants me to do all the traditional male things but won't do the traditional female things, kicking her ass out

dragonjock27 · 2021-07-04T23:00:14+00:00

Anything that a feminist sees as a “traditional man” she’ll immediately demonize as sexist and bigoted.

LegendaryX42 · 2021-07-05T02:02:40+00:00

Women can literally air laundry lists on what they want in a man but if I say I want a women who cooks I'm a fragile insecure <insert more buzzwords here> manbaby who can't take care of myself.

EvolvingMan1994 · 2021-07-04T22:10:34+00:00

I'm sick of hearing women complain about wanting a "traditional Man" when they aren't even willing to be a traditional woman.

They want a Man that pays and provides for them, yet they are completely forgetting that nowadays most Men have limits too. So they want a traditional Man to pay, provide and take care of all the financial responsibilities while emotionally comforting and sexually satisfying them all the time and doing half of all household responsibilities too?

But if he works every day and provides for most or all of their lifestyle, aka the traditional way, he'll still end up being "not Man enough" or "not good enough" or "unromantic" or "Beta Male" or some dumbass reason or bullshit of an excuse so the woman can break-up 'feeling' that she deserves better and her high on hypergamy mind will tell her that she can and will find a better Man with a more wholesome package.

I'll make it make sense: Almost all of you want a Disney fantasy to come true. A fantasy wherein he's both alpha and masculine at times and soft and submissive at your convenience. A fantasy wherein he takes charge and leads and also where he follows your commands and surrenders to your leadership. A fantasy wherein he treats you as an equal when you want and pedestalizes you at your wish. A fantasy wherein he's masculine selectively and you're feminine at your convenience. A fantasy wherein you are cooperative and obedient when it suits you and ultimately refuse to care what a Man wants or values because it's all about you.

So basically, you want it all. Yet based on your current attitude and past behavior regarding Men, you deserve nothing. How's that for some sense?

SamaelET · 2021-07-05T00:09:30+00:00

When a feminist woman ask for a progressive man, they simply ask for a traditional man but even more simp.

LokisDawn · 2021-07-05T00:16:02+00:00

who the fuck has ever asked for that. i can't keep track of all these competing female narratives. first they say that men have enormous egos and can't handle dating a woman who makes more than him or who is a rich woman. now they say that men are actually the real gold diggers and that men are leaching everything off of woman and want woman to do everything while also paying for him. so which is it? it's impossible for both to be true at the same time.

literally they make up fictional bullshit to circlejerk over and get mad about

White_Mlungu_Capital · 2021-07-04T22:37:46+00:00

Lol, no clue where this idea that traditional women did not work came from.

They did, they worked the farm in rural areas, they worked in factories in cities, they secretarial work, they did admin work, they were nurses in hospitals, teachers in grade schools, they taught sunday school to kids. Even the stay at home mom's back then still made all kinds of arts, crafts and baked goods that they sold to other in their community out their house running small businesses. In WW2, you seen they had women building airplanes when their husbands were overseas in war in the army, they were doing all kinds of work and jobs.

Modern women just got lazier and lazier and don't want to do the duties of past women.

imjusthereforresearc · 2021-07-04T20:03:34+00:00

I've never heard a man say what she is saying. But I've heard plenty of women say what you are saying.

Ashamed-Owl-5368 · 2021-07-05T02:50:28+00:00

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asura227 · 2021-07-04T23:40:46+00:00

Can we address the elephant in the room? I understand that you want a traditional man and that's okay. However, you can't just gloss over the fact that women have engaged in a concerted effort to dismantle all of these traditions as being oppression against women. We will not gloss over the fact that women have engaged in this effort for at least forty years.

So, before we even get into what kind of man i am or not: If the traditional way of doing things is oppression are you saying that you would rather be oppressed? Was there some realization that illuminates the idea that traditional living is not oppression? What traditions exactly do you intend for me to follow? Are you also going to hold yourself to a traditional standard? Traditionally speaking, is your hymen still intact?

So lets speak plainly. You don't want a traditional man. What you want is a cuckold who will pay for everything. I do not believe that you will be capable of expressing gratitude if you found such a man because you act like you're entitled to his resources, and you haven't even met him yet. You will not be faithful because your moral compass in any given moment only points to what you desire in that moment. Right now, your desire is to be able to live with a degree of financial security. Instead of using the intelligence and strength you were born with to obtain the financial security you desire you create a false virtue that claims the problem is men not being willing to give you the financial security that you feel you're entitled to. I guess that's a modicum better than women who use various forms of flesh peddling instead of an actual career that allows them to be valued for more than their body; but hey, the ends justify the means don't they?

MeasurementRealistic · 2021-07-04T22:16:45+00:00

Must there be a crosspost for every single dumbxchromosomes post?

CompletelyIncorrect0 · 2021-07-05T00:53:19+00:00

It’s hilarious that everything said on that sub can have the genders reversed and it becomes more true.

Zpointe · 2021-07-04T23:24:42+00:00

Lmao. I'm at a point where my life is far easier without a woman. I'll get one when I feel it's the right time. But women in the western world...Christ. What a mess 😂

beniesixx98 · 2021-07-04T23:08:05+00:00

I mean it works both ways , stop expecting shitty people to change , they won't change unless they want to . If y'all can't work past the issues the don't date .

Czar1470 · 2021-07-05T02:09:08+00:00

I got banned just for asking a simple question

LastRounder · 2021-07-05T09:11:51+00:00

Lol, what did they expected?

Traditional woman is caring, kind, empathetic, faithful, takes time to look good, because she likes it, her husband likes it and also she represents their family in society. She likes kids and loves them, she is willing to be self-sacrifital if it is needed for her family. She is very responsible and does a lot of work to promote her family in society, not mentioning all that she does to support her family from inside.

Now let's look on modern "woke" women.

That vverweight, gross, capricious, slutty, demanding, selfish, irresponsible spoiled lazy children.

They are almost 100% contradiction of the idea what is "traditional" woman. In fact, though proclaiming to be "liberated" and "progressive" they seem to look like degenerates when compared to "most opressed" traditional women. They do not worth of a toenail of True Southern Lady of old, but demand traditional men.

MegaAlex · 2021-07-05T09:56:16+00:00

I think its best to share responsibilities. Landry, cooking and the dishes, cleaning and fixing things. There's a lot more but you get the point. I think some people would prefer some chores over others, and it's for that couple to decide. But it's unreasonable for one person to do everything. I hope when my times comes that I don't shy away form my responsibilities.

Women_Hate_Short_Men · 2021-07-06T09:02:21+00:00

thread full of women who picked attractive guys with shit personalities got fucked over and are now coping and seething all men.

personality detectors women claim to have for not dating any non-6ft+ men since they are coincidentally always “creepy” didn’t work i guess

rabel111 · 2021-07-04T23:15:30+00:00

This is a typical bait and switch that expects men to fulfil the so called traditional male roles of protector, provider, romancer, mechanic, handyman, thug squad, that includes deferring to women in issues of reproduction and child raising (the expereince of men has never been limited to these strawman gender roles), while also fulfilling the nebulous but invariably gynocentric feminist inspired neo-masculinity roles that revolve entirely around the lives and experiences of women.

In reality and historically, most men and women share roles between genders more than feminists are willing to admit. The day to day demands of necessity push all these metro/marxist ideological gender bending mind games into the waste basket of useless sexual politics. People get on with work, life and love, because men and women, men and men, women and women, people have more in common than they are different, and life is too short to waste on power games thought up by disaffected sociopaths with expensive college degrees in how to hate.

ghostslikme · 2021-07-05T02:54:27+00:00

The amount of self proclaimed strong independent women who want the man to take charge and take the lead and pay for dates etc. I have come across is baffling.

Good_Stuff11 · 2021-07-05T02:13:52+00:00

I have never met a man who said he wants a woman to cook and clean and do everything for him. Men’s standards are actually incredibly low for women

mimiczx · 2021-07-05T04:32:42+00:00

FDS lite is at it again... 🙄

Agitated_Kiwi_7964 · 2021-07-05T04:57:18+00:00

Fuck that sub. I got banned for posting "and women can't be pedos?" After a post about "men being pedos".

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-07-05T05:46:38+00:00

Both this and the quoted post have a point. There are men like this out there and there are women like this out there. Both need to be called out for hypocrisy.

0ofs · 2021-07-05T06:01:53+00:00

When men say they want a traditional woman, staying at home and not going to work is part of that. What the hell is this bs theyre spewing. You arent a gold digger if you actually hold up your side of the deal and do the house work.

OctaviaPinfold · 2021-07-05T14:12:44+00:00

Traditional means stereotypical in practice, and almost always stems from weird beliefs and disinformation spread by deeply religious groups. Nobody wants that apart from those groups that are still around, and even people in those groups change.

What men in general want that counts as actual traditional is affection, love, respect, support and loyalty, the same as women, the basics of any monogamous relationship, men just don't talk about it much because they're ridiculed by women if they do.

NameGiver0 · 2021-07-05T16:25:29+00:00

Women and responsibility go together like oil and water.

aakaakaak · 2021-07-05T02:00:58+00:00

You know what I'm really sick of? People using generalizations to shit on one another. Women do it. Men do it. Just stop it. Don't be a "man". Don't be a "grown ass woman". Just be an adult.

Total-Success2207 · 2021-07-04T23:39:34+00:00

I’m sick of people just going on r/ two Y chromosomes and getting encouraged to say super offensive things.

Holiday_Ad_5867 · 2021-07-05T04:07:44+00:00

This is his choice.

Rhatboi · 2021-07-05T02:40:28+00:00

Traditional man: works, pays for food/water/bills/clothes/child insurance, take care of wife (an adult) and kids, pay for food/dinner when going out, and be expected to lead, protect, and provide for everyone in the household.

Traditional wife: watch kids, housekeep, cook, do laundry.

With as much as women put on a man's shoulders is it too much to ask for a sandwich? You want all this shit, but lose your shit when we just a damn snack? I'm glad the whole "traditional" shit isn't the norm anymore.

Ceruleanknight1 · 2021-07-04T19:50:14+00:00

Both points are valid.

sicrm · 2021-07-05T01:18:40+00:00

being a traditional women isn’t a switch you can turn off and on.

either you are or you aren’t. and if you aren’t, good luck getting any traditional guy to seriously date you.

coloradocaniac · 2021-07-05T03:48:54+00:00

"Make it make sense."

Don't load a missile you're not willing to evade if the worst case scenario happens.

Marriage by far and by any metric is a far worse idea for men nowadays than it's ever been for women.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttttttttttt the fuck up and go read some red pill talking points, TrollXOP, you self-absorbed harpy.

Odd_Cryptographer492 · 2021-07-05T05:58:57+00:00

The Modern women who doesn't want to be traditional women have some serious disadvantages in their life's. 1+1=2 two parents two salaries two savings account two pensions you can't beat the maths for the best outcomes. Women will put off marriage and kids untill 30s and wonder why traditional men will pick the younger women in looks beauty purity and womb time. The 30s is the wall which these modern women panic because as their choices and options run out. Let these ladies do their own things because at 40 it's no man land. These women can't compete against the younger women and get butt hurt over it. Gentlemen keep your purpose as a man as your priority your pyschial emotional well-being work your ass off the more resources you have the more options you have with women

jumperwalrus · 2021-07-05T08:57:18+00:00

I got permanently banned from that subreddit for suggesting to someone that all 'cishet men' aren't lazy.

darkstar1031 · 2021-07-05T12:19:44+00:00

So, just some healthy advice, stay the fuck away from /r/TwoXChromosomes. it's a cesspit full of extraordinarily toxic people.

LoFiGai · 2021-07-05T05:07:48+00:00

Rarely do i hear men complain about their wives working + doing household work. This is just a gaslighting argument trying to paint all men in a negative way. Obviously if both of you are working full time careers, then it's not a "traditional" relationship in the first place. Being traditional only happens when when theres a breadwinner and 1 source of income, the other person should work for the household

Never heard any man say she needs to work 40 hrs a week and clean the house

YourFavouriteGuy · 2021-07-05T06:09:36+00:00

Legit nobody said that

Nobody wants a traditional woman but also wants her to work

And she's not a gold digger unless she's marrying for purely the money (in which case she would divorce the man, not very traditional)

Fucking pure idiocy coming from r/TwoXChromosomes as usual

asura227 · 2021-07-04T21:02:17+00:00

I don't exactly identify as traditional but I'm gonna make sure that any man who dates me doesn't wear speedos are take his shirt off around other women. It's advertising his body to other women.

Some people are gonna call me controlling but I just have certain expectations for men. I'm just having standards.

Skinnyguy202 · 2021-07-05T04:55:22+00:00

It can go both ways can’t it lol

brcn3 · 2021-07-05T06:37:16+00:00

So, everyone wants to be in a trad relationship? Perfect!

JazzPhobic · 2021-07-05T09:01:18+00:00

"Make it make sense" okay.

Golddiggers care only for the money, not for the man.

If they are together out of genuine love and it just so happens to work out on one sallary, its not gold digging.

The problem is gold diggers dont even try to be subtle. You can be traditional all you want but you dont get to be entitled to money. If you wanna know examples, just go to the fds reddit.

These people arent even trying.

TAPriceCTR · 2021-07-05T09:32:14+00:00

Amen. If you are not a competent homemaker you don't deserve a competent bread winner. Karen straughan once point out that the job of an employed partner is to maximize income while the job of the stay at home is to minimize outgo.

-Merasmus- · 2021-07-05T10:30:48+00:00

"Yeah i want the same income as men" "So youre gonna pay the same amount aswell right?" "No."

laid_on_the_line · 2021-07-05T10:41:13+00:00

I really don't get that either side, women and men, only always complain about the biggest idiots of the other sex.

Yea, some guys are babies and want a "traditional women" because they need someone to cook and clean for them because they are lazy asses. But on the other side there are also enough littles princesses who demand to be "homemakers" and still demand 50% of house work to be done by the guy plus the "traditional" duties like yard work and shit.

If both work, you share your fucking tasks at home equally. If one only works you share your tasks at home according to how much gets done in the day.

My mom always said being a homemaker is boring shit after the children are grown a little, but even when we were small she still had time for coffee with the neighbours at 1030 every day and the house was spotless at 1800 with dinner on the table. She also teached us to take care after our own shit, which I think is pretty important because it is just not feasible today that just one person is working except you life in shitholes like the US where daycare costs are fortune.

vasekgamescz · 2021-07-05T13:59:37+00:00

They just don't know what they want. They want masculine men without any toxic masculinity. They want confident men without any ego. They want actions without consequences except for ones that benefit her.

Luchadorgreen · 2021-07-05T00:53:52+00:00

Where are these men they’re bitching about?

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-07-04T22:11:07+00:00

Most women just want a guy who cleans his bathroom and doesn't sleep on an air mattress on the floor and doesn't wear basketball shorts outside of the gym.

Oh and a guy that doesn't hate women and want to control them and also doesn't think Arby's is a good location for a date.

Real easy stuff here folks.

Ipman124 · 2021-07-05T02:38:27+00:00

This is a take

yololoololoo · 2021-07-05T05:20:13+00:00

Be traditional man Die in war

Be traditional woman Used as a machine

Conclusion: Traditional ain't the way

Diaverna · 2021-07-05T11:54:49+00:00

100%

Xx24reminder · 2021-07-05T22:09:29+00:00

How about screw tradition

Langland88 · 2021-07-05T23:38:43+00:00

I have a girlfriend who can cook and clean. However, I never ask her to do any of that. I actually try to make sure she isn't doing any of that and yet she does go out of her way to cook for me a lot of times. I never ask for it and I try my best to intervene or at least find a way to help out. I feel like women like ones in that subreddit need to learn how to cooperate with men and learn how to bring out the best in men while learning how to do some of those traditional things out of their own goodness of their heart. A lot of us men aren't as traditional either as we are willing to help cook and clean when necessary. I feel like there is still this stereotype being sold by media to continue to divide us and into a battle of the sexes primarily for monetary gains but it continues to exist.

40moreyears · 2021-07-05T04:12:42+00:00

It would behoove everyone to stop with the “traditional” expectations. That’s dead. Time to evolve. There’s a new traditional. It doesn’t involve cleaning a fucking house or cooking dinner. There’s Uber eats and cleaning services. There really needs to be New expectations. We know what women think these days. We need to adjust our own thinking so as to not be disappointed.

santaniatheist · 2021-07-05T10:50:17+00:00

First of all, the women who do work

a) don't make as much money as the man

b) don't work as much and/or as hard and/or as long as the man

ThrowWideTheGates · 2021-07-05T11:00:58+00:00

I’m just glad to be gay, so I don’t have to dip my toes at all into any of this weird back and forth about gender roles or whatever.

It’s definitely true that many women also still hold all these traditional expectations for men while trying to be free from their own expectations. If they don’t want these household expectations placed on them, then they shouldn’t place all these occupational and financial expectation on guys.

If being gay wasn’t so socially stigmatized, I’d say being gay is the way to go. As far as equal responsibilities and expectations go, it’s just so much simpler just dealing with another guy and not having this other baggage along too. Don’t get me, there are definitely gay guys who also have similar types of attitudes and baggage, but it’s still easier to find guys who don’t.

Njordin · 2021-07-05T12:40:54+00:00

I am sick of reading crossposts from twodumbchromosomes. They are just inciting rage and serve the same purpose as the original post: venting off.

Thats cheap guys. We already know that they are misandrists and the original post gives nothing substantial to discuss.

Hey_itsmeguys · 2021-07-05T12:54:28+00:00

Traditional women care about their men. Gold diggers don't.

There. I've fixed the huge gap she crossed to come to the conclusion that somehow men hate traditional women and think they're gold diggers.

ShelterBeautiful · 2021-07-05T13:08:23+00:00

Odd... I’ve heard women complain about the lack “gentleman” or “traditional men”. Not the other way around.

This is clear projection.

Title	I am sick of hearing women wanting a “traditional man” when they aren’t willing to be traditional woman.
Author	benderXX
Upvotes	1508
Comments	280
Date	July 4, 2021 7:43 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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