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Yeah but just saying maybe putting the emoticon after a space after the period would look a lot better.
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I'm not going to say you're fun. You're a frustratrd little shit, that's what you are.
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Get some more of these and feminists will suddenly want the whole thing removed.
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What state is that? In my ultracuck state you can get gangbanged every day for a year and still be entitled to half+alimony.
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[+]Futureman9991 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
I honestly think this is what has gone wrong with relationships in general. Women forgot how to appreciate and respect men for what they're good at and what they accomplish and contribute, but somehow they remembered to keep on exploiting us.
I suspect it's because third wave feminism would not allow women to acknowledge men's accomplishments because that might overshadow their own.
So we end up with "relationships" which are purely about sex, and women can't help reminding us how much easier it is for them to get, and how much more handsome and perfect their past partners (where are they now?) were than us. The message: "This is just sex. If you want love, marry me." But love doesn't work like that. You can't just have a big expensive wedding and expect love to spontaneously appear.
I've never been gay, but it seems like gay men are having better sex and relationships than straight men now.
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Women used to be property for a man. He was responsible for her care.
We have not empowered women, instead, women are now owned by the state. They are responsible for their care. The state will force a man to lay for her when possible to save on costs.
Old school feminism was for equal rights.
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For men, there is no incentive to marry. The deck is stacked against you the minute you say “I do”
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I think in some cases it's partly justified - if in a marriage both parties agree that one of them will stay at home and clean the house, raise the kids etc - whilst the other one works - if the marriage then breaks down after a few years then the stay-at-home spouse can't realistically just click their fingers and find themselves in gainful employment overnight - so there should be some sort of payment to support them, but I don't see why (as in some cases) this should last a substantial period of time. There should surely be a limited set of time and after that period elapses the payments cease.
Childcare is obviously a different issue and I think if you've got kids from a relationship it's fairly obvious you should pay your share for their upbringing.
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I agree - and I'm not saying they're forced to - but that choice is usually made by both parties in the relationship. If my wife wants to give up her job and stay at home and raise the kids and I agree to that then I'm kind of complicit in her losing her earning and her earning potential - It seems a bit cruel if we divorce 7-8 years later to then go Ha - screw you you're on your own - because I agreed with her that I'd be the sole bread-winner. Again, I'm not saying I should be required to pay some sort of maintenance for life - but I see nothing wrong with the idea that a court could tell me I'd need to pay some money each month for a set period of time (perhaps 12 months etc) whilst she looked to find work and get herself established.
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It doesn't matter if it was a choice. It doesn't matter if it was financially the best decision.
The only thing that matters, after the divorce the stay at home spouse needs a living. It's very hard to insert yourself back into a career after taking several years off to raise a child. The working spouse benefited from the stay at home spouse in many ways, and now they have to feed the stay at home spouse until they get back into the job market or get remarried.
Alimony payments are not indefinite, the judge will determine how much and how long the payments need to continue to keep the stay at home spouse on their feet.
There's no excuse for anyone to be surprised by alimony in 2019. This isn't a new idea. The rules have not changed. It is not sexist, stay at home fathers are also awarded alimony in a divorce. It has been very clear for decades - if you let your spouse stay at home to raise your kids, then you will be paying alimony in the case of a divorce. Expect it. Plan around it. Don't cry when you let it happen to you, even though you knew it was coming.
Marital property is always divided 50%
Child support is always paid to the parent with primary custody
Alimony is always paid to a stay at home spouse
You need to understand all three of these things and plan for how they might affect you before you get married. Prenups exist only to protect the assets you acquired prior to marriage - there's not a single pre or post nup in the world that will protect you from those three things. If your prenup says "I won't pay alimony," then the judge is within their power to void and trash the entire document.
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