Why was Mister Feibleman 'expelled despite audio proving she begged for sex'¿
It is known that conviction rates for domestic violence and sexual assault are on the rise. Since violent crime in general is on the decline (as predicted from falling testosterone levels), I propose those conviction rates stem from a legal system stacked against men.
The knee-jerk reaction against this is suggesting some sort of proof. Usually audio/video recording or signed contracts. In my opinion following the advice to "get consent" is a terrible idea of giving the man a false sense of security in his mind while damaging the actual prospects he has in reality.
Legality of consent proof from videos & forms:
>A person who has freely chosen to have sexual activity with another person once does not give general consent to sexual intercourse with that person
>Consent may also be withdrawn at any stage during a sexual encounter. Recently I dealt with a case where the victim consented to sexual intercourse with her partner but asked him to stop when it became painful. He didn't stop. The accused was convicted
>[Pre-recorded consent evidence] is unlikely to be determinative when considering the issue of consent.
>What about a woman giving consent and then withdrawing it? Well that is still a lack of consent. A woman can give and can withdraw consent at any time, even once it's started
> Such video or oral evidence is not determinative of the question of consent, the actual encounter may have been different in nature or take place after the complainant had changed her mind.
But wait, there is more! In addition to being completely useless for defense, proof of consent is detrimental to proving proving innocence for the man:
> The recording may be used against the defendant to show how intoxicated the woman was, or that there was an element of control or coercion in the exchange. It may also be used by the prosecution to show that the defendant had doubts as to consent or knew he was taking advantage and deliberately trying to protect himself from an anticipated allegation. What's more, if there is any hint that the woman did not know about the recording, and that the defendant may obtain sexual pleasure from the video, the defendant could find himself facing more charges (such as voyeurism).
Source: Two Lawyers.
'But those are UK lawsers, it is different here in the United States!'
To that we examine the case of GirlsDoPorn. The creators had both collected written consent in the form of signed contracts and video recordings of the girls reading the agreement. Still got sued -and lost- for ironically supposed breach of contract.
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The vast majority of cases is less dramatic and noncriminal of course. The same principle applies for these legal cases. No matter what the woman signs about splitting assets, or how expertly prenuptial agreement is drafted by your lawyer. The family court-judge will throw it citing 'duress, unconscionable, representation, unforseen circumstances' or retroactively invented new caveats.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that if this "it's rape unless there's enthusiastic consent" thing ever comes up it's because the people involved are both terrible and stupid.
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This is the feminist line that women have ZERO agency.
She has myriad ways of ENSURING he knows (without any doubt) whether or not she's into what is about to transpire. But, in the courtrooms it's very often seen that women can be wishy washy and flaky.
There are certainly cases where men had all green lights and verbal "enthusiasm" and she's still going to call it rape the next day. I'll use your words "rare" but it happens enough men need to be aware of it.
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Feminists take her agency AWAY by saying she has 100 reasons why her "yes" on Friday can be a "no" on Sunday.
So what do we do? Bring in Sharia Law to protect women from themselves because there is so much power imbalance and coercion around they can't for the life of them make a personal choice about sex?
This is all about sexual freedom for women and control of male sexuality.
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If you asked a large group of people how the consent process works, it's nothing like the process you or feminists (same thing?) are proposing.
I would bet the vast majority of sexual encounters do not EVER even include the word yes. Consent is strongly implied and that's good enough for 99% of people in 99% of situations.
"Oh, this is getting pretty heavy. Can we do the sex now please?"
YES!
"Oh, I am having fun. Are you? Should we continue?
YES!
"Okay wonderful, just sign here... here aaaaaaand right there..."
Okay, I'm not horny anymore.
Consent for most people involves traditions, customs, body language, escalation and (yes) even a bit of push-pull. I've had women give a "slow down" signal, and I desisted. 60 seconds later, she's on my lap grinding away again. Gee. Do I chalk all this up to some "ABORT MISSION - MIXED SIGNALS" or do I use intuition and be attentive so I could get LAID once in a while? Escalation can be more like a dance than some "verbal consent agreement". And that triggers a lot of progressives, social constructionists and feminists because to them, consent is not nuanced at all. But, in practice, it is. And that's the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
People need to absolutely stop this idea of consent like someone is signing a fucking mortgage or something. It's NOT how consent plays out in real life and everybody knows it. And when it goes sideways, they just say:
You didn't get proper consent.
Very Very few people get "feminist approved consent". Ever.
And even if they do, if she feels differently about "her wanting it" or the details surrounding her "submitting", then the next day he's a rapist anyways even though he got "feminist approved consent" the night before.
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Don't be confused.
It's a parody of what women actually CLAIM. That an insecure puppy dog of a male begging for verbal consent every 15 seconds is a complete and utter turn off.
Women:
Women get to enjoy escalation in silence.
Women also get to enjoy the power to say what was CLEARLY consensual is now, 24 hours later rape "in her mind, today, the day after".
That's why these cases don't go far in court. Which is good.
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Because she can be clear on Friday night and switch to "unclear" Saturday morning.
Consent is slowly becoming retroactively revocable now and that is what feminists want.
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Rare.
You use that word a lot.
You mean like a woman doing the exact same job as a man for less pay rare?
Maybe that rare...
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Yes. There is a law. And if women COULD be paid 77 cents on the dollar "for the exact same job" wouldn't those evil patriarchal capitalists be hiring only women, and maybe children, and the odd senior they can exploit?
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