What's up with the dislike towards MBTI?

Professional-Ad-457 · 2021-09-28T09:12:50+00:00

Guys who study any aspect of personality or body language tend to use it to straight up manipulate other people, wheras women study it to understand or get along better with people (for positive not nefarious reasons i.e. to build rapport not to trick them into bed quicker) or to avoid and spot dangerous people.

Technical_Moth248 · 2021-09-28T07:35:39+00:00

I think the issue is that women tend to actually take something positive away from it and use it for self improvement while men seem to move toward using it as an excuse to be awful and justify their bad traits as you touched on. I've spent some time in various groups relating to different MBTI types (I'm an ENFP 😊) and it might just be that it was fb, but I found them to be absolute cesspools full of terrible men that hid behind their type and posted typical LVM garbage. I don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with knowing your type in general and telling others, but I get why it's a red flag to be too into it for a lot of ladies here and I don't disagree.

Zeniite · 2021-09-28T18:12:14+00:00

Psychologist in training here. Nobody in my field would ever, ever, ever use MBTI to construct an assessment battery. I’ve had one client bring it in to a therapy session a couple years ago to try to get validated re: whether his type really suits him or not and I can had to explain how unreliable it is and how the results can easily differ simply depending on what mood you’re in, how well rested you are, etc and it’s far too reductionistic of personality while also lacking depth. It’s fun when you first discover it, yes, but I personally consider it useless in determining whether two people would be compatible partners or friends. I also think it’s unwise to overly-identify with personality types that are so lacking in depth because some people will use it as an excuse for why they can’t be held accountable for their actions or hurtful words. If you really want to get to know a person’s inner workings, make them get a Rorschach or MMPI done. Those are super revealing measures.

Technusgirl · 2021-09-28T08:04:22+00:00

I think it's only an issue when they use it as an excuse to do shitty things or to excuse their bad behavior..I like it because it helps me know who I'm more compatible with.

jupitarianrise · 2021-09-28T14:51:23+00:00

I think a lot of women tend to justify men’s behaviour through their MBTI (or astrological sign) and I have a problem with that. “Oh he must be this and that… because he’s an INTJ! 😍” “Oh he criticizes me everyday… because he’s an earth sign! 🥰🤡” when all the time, the guy is simply being a jerk.

women try to understand men and justify their behaviours, meanwhile men objectify us

Also men who know about those usually do to manipulate other people (especially women) so it’s a big red flag to me.

Horror_Maize_6546 · 2021-09-28T09:57:05+00:00

I love MBTI but I've been already with two men using it a lot as you're saying here -- justifying poor behaviour. No thanks. I never used my type that way, I'm not even sharing it.

EDIT men generally enjoy finding excuses for what they are/do (we know they're mostly raised that way and blah we don't need to dive into this). MBTI may be an excuse just as any other, that's it. If you meet somebody who states his type right-away, like in his social bio, or after a couple of chats with you, I'd say run. To me, it will trigger a gut feeling forever from now on.

WorkaholicParty · 2021-09-28T10:32:10+00:00

It's also a sign of a man who probably spends too much time on a misogynistic platform and internet in general. Would you want to date a male redditor 🤢🤮? Also men they do not need more excuses on why they act emotionally distant and disrespectfully.

Like somebody here said, men and women are socialized differently. Women want to level up and be a better person, men are looking for tips to manipulate, they think they can look for the secret language of women and find things "that has them". As if we were a Rubik's cube. It's like astrology and spirituality, while everyone can be toxic in these environments men who are into it are a particular red flag for me.

I can see a scrote saying 'we both are NTs, we do not need stupid things like weddings, gifts for you, nice gestures it's OK for me to spend a whole paycheck on a gaming station though cause it's self care".

ThrowRA_lantern · 2021-09-28T11:05:48+00:00

When MBTI becomes a topic of conversation:

Them: “What type are you?”

Me: “I’m not that into MBTI but I always type as INTJ when I do the test. But I see myself as acting like an ENFJ especially when I’m in public.”

Them: “No your not an INTJ. You can’t be because I’m an INTJ.”

OR

Them: (proceeds to make jokes about the female counterpart to their type. In this context of INTJs, they paint me as socially inept, dismissive, rude, deluded, basement-living unicorn with a god complex while they’re the “cool dark mysterious” male INTJ)

I initially made a different comment on this post but it was too wordy. Essentially, this all took place in law school, where most of the arrogant, spoilt, anti-social men type as INTJs or ENTJs and think their soooooooo special (but I’m pretty sure law school is flooded with xxTJ types) and use it as an excuse to be absolute pricks or marvel at their own “uniqueness” and “potential for greatness”. THEN they project their shortcomings onto their female counterparts. And they literally use their MBTI to identify with movie villains (like the Joker) or notorious tyrannical politicians of the same MBTI type (why do they take pride in this???)

coccinellids13 · 2021-09-28T15:49:57+00:00

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Vmchik · 2021-09-28T11:32:58+00:00

I might be going against the grain here but the MBTI is not recognized in the psychology community. While I used to love the idea, I did some thorough research and learned that licensed psychologists see this the same way they see astrology. This is because in a study, participants results would vary depending on how they felt at that point in time. It wasn’t concrete and highly based on temporal individual determination of character. I had a similar experience where I had been an INFP for years and suddenly became an ENFJ once I developed my self esteem and confidence. This change is what caused me to do my research and learn that most people in the study’s MBTI changed in 6 months especially if they go through a mood change. I do like the test and find it interesting, and you can take this comment with a grain of salt if you want, but that’s just my main reason for staying away from these types of men besides the cult like behaviors I’ve seen in MBTI communities, especially with men.

divination__ · 2021-09-28T17:04:20+00:00

I agree with you, to me MBTI and astrology serve the same function socially - a shorthand way of discussing your personality, your perception of yourself and of others. I don't think it's really a red flag, although it is a very corporate thing to be super into them, so maybe that could be off-putting. To me it's a red flag if a guy is really into MBTI but hates astrology because that just screams misogyny lol, you'd have to have absolutely zero critical thinking to not realise that the two socially serve the same purpose, though MBTI is packaged more "scientifically" and astrology is mystical and therefore seen as "feminine".

Ironsculpture · 2021-09-28T07:34:00+00:00

There's nothing wrong with MBTI. The problem is with men using anything and everything as an excuse or justification to behave in unacceptable ways, be it a personality test or "love languages".

throwaway-fds · 2021-09-28T13:42:24+00:00

It's on the same level as astrology. It's pseudoscience. It is fun, I liked taking the tests and I like making astrology jokes or seeing who is what, but it's not something to be taken seriously.

TheNightWitch · 2021-09-28T14:58:08+00:00

It’s pseudoscience, and about as valid as a Buzzfeed quiz. And much like horoscopes, confirmation bias makes people feel like whatever answer they got was a legitimate representation of themselves because every answer is calibrated to do that. People are complex - we can’t be sorted by a ‘this or that only’ survey instrument, so all the answers are invalid. People also self-select subconsciously answers that feel like the answer a better version of themself would give. It’s designed that way.

It’s a red flag the way Astrology reliance is a red flag.

Outrageous-Knowledge · 2021-09-28T11:58:32+00:00

I dislike MBTI the same way I dislike astrology. One is pseudoscience the other is “woo”.

hensbanex · 2021-09-28T12:12:36+00:00

like most things, men take it and act like it’s gospel instead of just a fun theory or idea. I think it’s about as reliable as astrology but just as entertaining to think about. i love both, but I dislike when anyone uses either of those as a way to avoid self improvement and blames the sign/type as “just what they are.” no one is fixed like that and if your personality is so weak that reading about an archetype is going to make you become it, that’s poor character

ussr_ftw · 2021-09-28T17:31:02+00:00

It's based on vague theories by Carl Jung, has very low reliability, there's zero scientific evidence behind it, was created by people with no knowledge or training in psychology and is bullshit. It's about as useful and accurate as a cosmo quiz. There is far more developed personality tests (OCEAN, MMPI) and in any basic behavioural psychology 101 class will tell you that the MBTI is meaningless.

shockingupdate · 2021-09-28T21:18:35+00:00

There’s nothing wrong with MBTI. The real problem is there are too many LVM in the world dragging down its reputation. Their prime directive is to swarm anything that could be used to manipulate women.

GlitteringContact8 · 2021-09-28T17:06:20+00:00

free therapist to my emotionally constipated "male friends".

So true! Drop energy leeches who are only secretly trying to get in your pants. My male friend brother project frequently referred to me as as mum. We were the same age. Gross!

wigsnatcher42 · 2021-09-29T04:42:15+00:00

I completely agree with you, I’m very into mbti and I think understanding it can help understand why some women act like pickmes, etc.

Unfortunately I’ve seen some males in the mbti community say some red pill-ish things though

InaneObservations · 2021-09-29T16:44:58+00:00

MBTI is astrology for men. Every single one of them is convinced they're INTJ masterminds, even if they cashier at TJ Maxx and the biggest mastery they've managed is Halo.

compscihelp111 · 2021-09-29T00:50:28+00:00

I would never date an INTJ man. They just seem like pretentious assholes with a god complex but most of them are loners with no friends or social life hence they cope by thinking they're superior in intellect 😂 Majority of them are social rejects who spend too much time on the internet being cynical and pessimistic. I've met INTJ men at my workplace and they look like inc*ls but take so much pride in being assholes with low emotional intelligence. They're also ugly neckbeards like Elon Musk. ENTJ men are narcissistic control freaks who want to dominate you and everything is on their terms. Unfortunately, they're usually attractive and charming so you have to look out for them.

I usually tend to prefer guys who are INFJ, ISTP, ENFP, ENTP, ENFJ. Especially ISTP men with well developed Fe.

ENTP men are hit or miss. Some of them are so immature and cringey edgelord wannabe sociopath's but a lot of the mature ones are so fun to talk to and you'll never get bored. They're entertaining and help me to relax and enjoy life. They have this childish clown energy that I find endearing but the immature ones begin to drain your energy.

ferociouslycurious · 2021-09-29T01:06:26+00:00

Yeah you answered your own question in the second half of the first sentence. I’m an INTJ and I have empathy…..

Title	What's up with the dislike towards MBTI?
Author	coccinellids13
Upvotes	98
Comments	93
Date	September 28, 2021 6:31 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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