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Every Good Father's Gift

Tabby_N

September 28, 2017
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A Nice Thread Discussing Men and Compliments

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[+]NibblyPig 8 years ago* [recovered] (34 children) | Copy Link

Some confusing comments here, I think what this is trying to say is that a man will sacrifice himself and his own well-being for the sake of supporting his children and giving them the best chance.

I would say it'd also work well with a mother and son but using a man, at least in this sub, hits very close to home and resonates with the community because we have seen some of the depths of the abyss that men are forced to go to so that they can provide for their children, sometimes at tremendous cost to themselves.

[–]youcantstopmyzed 62 points63 points64 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This picture hits me hard cause with me and my dad it’s me giving him the blocks/pixels.

[–]NibblyPig 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oof

[–]thisguyhasaname 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ouchie

[+]CasinsWatkey 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

owie

[–]Cattman423 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/bonehurtingjuice

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfection.

[–]Luis_McLovin0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I said, the real /r/bonehurtingjuice.

[–]Luis_McLovin0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I prefer the real /r/bonehurtingjuice.

[–]beerhiker 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry son, all the blocks from the wallet region went to your mother.

[–]HellstromC 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ouch.

[–]Big_Bad_Wulf[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Minor thing but I noticed the dad's lost pieces are all behind him. He's literally putting up a strong front to tell his son its all right.

[–]stevrock 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Or theyre a "chip off the old block".

[+]ThaChippa 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ga'head babe, talk at me.

[–]DrSpacemanSpliff 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think he's getting the whole block

[–]stevrock 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think youre being pedantic

[–]Poofysmoof 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This picture hit me hard because it's the way I feel. I was born into a family that got broken up early and I was then raised by a single mother, as the story goes broken families produce incomplete individuals. I'm the incomplete individual but I've worked very hard to make sure my son is the man I'll never be.

[+]RedSugarPill -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You obviously haven't met fathers from "the me generation": Destroying family values since Vietnam.

[–]Aeternalis_ -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Traditional family values are rubbish

[–]PillTheRed 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Is that why people in more traditional roled marriages are more happy then non traditional ones? I would argue these traditions are actually just the natural order.

[–]Aeternalis_ 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

If people want to follow the traditional roles, that's on them, but forcing people into set roles is idiotic.

The best thing for men to do is not marry right now.

[–]JediOfTheShire 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There's no forcing. Not in the USA anyway.

[–]warsie -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes there is, lol. Social pressure is forcing

[–]honorocagan 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Only if you're weak.

[–]warsie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Goalposts movement.

[–]DustPalacePapa 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

u/warsie is obviously without spine. lol.

[–]warsie -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

kek

[–]youcantstopmyzed 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahahaha found the sjw

[–]PillTheRed 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No one is forcing anyone into them, and now you are changing what you said. You originally made the statement that the traditional roles were stupid. Now, you changed to talking about people being forced into them and marriage. The reason I see it as irrelevent, is because I don't see anyone being forced into those roles. We live in a free society where the ONLY way to live that way is by choice. I agree about not getting married, but I don't see how it applies to this topic.

[–]Aeternalis_ -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No one is forcing anyone into them

You've never been to a red state, have you?

You originally made the statement that the traditional roles were stupid.

They are, for the most part they're a relic of a past time.

[–]PillTheRed 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So now you're on to assuming things about me? That won't work out well for you, I promise. I've lived all over the country because I was a paratrooper in the army for six years. I've been to many red states, probably more than you. I wouldn't say something that worked so well was stupid. It is my opinion that is the closest you can get to nature in a relationship, and will both be happier because of it.

[–]Aeternalis_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a source for people being happier in traditional relationships? I'm legitimately curious.

[–]PillTheRed 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2014/03/09/recent-studies-prove-traditional-gender-roles-bring-greatest-happiness/

I'm on my phone and at work. There is one, but I know I've read a lot of other studies saying the same.

[–]liv-to-love-yourself0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That literally is about sex and has nothing to do with happiness? Like no shit people in traditional marriages have more sex. When that is part of your job no shit you do it more.

That is stupid and one dimensional to equate sex and happiness.

[–]Aeternalis_0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'll do some research on my own, thanks for the link.

[–]Lord_ThunderCunt 230 points231 points232 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This hits.

My dad worked so hard to keep us under a roof. I always respected him for that but I have a chip on my shoulder because I didn't think he cared. On an emotional level. And that's ok. Food and shelter are more important than my feelings.

Girlfriend came home the other day, turns out my dad thought I would be something great.

Thanks dad.

[–]Flabbergash 35 points36 points37 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same. Perspective is a great thing. I was a little shit when I was a kid (no illusions), I spent alot of time hating my dad when I was younger for being told off, punished, but now I realise that he was doin the best he could with broken tools - he's a great man and now we have a really great relationship!

[–]Poofysmoof 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He loved you very much, why do you think he worked so hard. It's a fine line we have to walk in caring for our sons. We show too much it's natural for our young developing men to think we are weak, we show too little they think we don't care. I'm trying hard with my boy, but it's a struggle.

[–]Banatepec11 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

My dad hit me a lot as a kid for no reason most of the time. He would mentally abuse me (say messed up things) made me feel like shit, but yeah worked hard to keep a roof over my head. He never cared, but hey he kept a roof over my head.

Thanks dad.

[–]rocelot7 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, I think he cared. In his own shity way. I'm not saying forgive or forget but people can an enigma.

[–]Banatepec1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

That last part, what do you mean? Thanks.

[–]rocelot7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its what you don't know really. The often the true reason why someone engages in their behaviour can often go unmentioned and thus unresolved.

[–]harleypig 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't required that we like our children, only that we love them.

[–]josh_legs 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Girlfriend came home the other day, turns out my dad thought I would be something great.

Then you turned out to be lord_thundercunt.

I guess being a lord of anything is pretty great. So technically I reckon dad was right.

[–]underwrite2 points 8 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I get the point you're trying to make but it's not "ok" for your dad to make you feel like he doesn't care about you emotionally.

[–]screamingcheese 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

'Ok' or not, some fathers just don't know how to emotionally relate to their children, perhaps because their father didn't, so they express their love the only way they know how. Sometimes, making ends meet is so draining, there's no time or energy left for 'quality time.' It took me years to figure out that my father was doing his best to bond with me because he never had a role model to demonstrate it.

Sometimes we need to stop looking for right and wrong, and start seeing things from a more objective, holistic perspective.

[–]milleniajc 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At the same time, if it ever becomes our turn to raise children we should fight the flaws in our upbringing and try to succeed where our parents failed. We can't blame our parents for us falling short when we are grown ass adults. It's tiring to connect after a long day at work, but you don't need to build an entire emotionally-healthy relationship in one afternoon. You show that you care by asking about a school day, showing empathy for their struggles, bonding over stuff to some capacity when there is time; making up the difference on the days off. There's a difference between "I didn't think he cared about me at all" and "I know he cared, but he was so busy at work".

[–]underwrite1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Okay, but I still don't think that justifies brushing off the fact that a father made his children feel like he didn't care about them. Yes, it needs to be understood in the social and historical context, and I'm not saying he was a bad person, but if you just say "oh it's okay" then how are we supposed to get better? I would feel like a complete failure as a human being if my child felt this way.

[–]deciples 466 points467 points468 points 8 years ago (79 children) | Copy Link

it is shameful how we have denegrated fatherhood.

[–]trollly 144 points145 points146 points 8 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link

Have we? Because I'm a father and I don't feel that way at all.

[–]Denebula 86 points87 points88 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, dude. It starts here. GIMME UR BLOCK HEART

[–]tonny23 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And sell it on the block market

[+]jockojones 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm here to block any attempt at a pun thread

[–]chainsawx72 81 points82 points83 points 8 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link

Wait til mothers day when we honor mothers and fathers day when we honor single mothers

[–]trollly 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link

No skin off my back. Fathers who abandon their children are scum.

[–]chainsawx72 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No, people who abandoned their children are scum. Why do you make it a father's issue?

[–]trollly 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, and I'm not.

[+]analfanatic -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not just a father's issue. But almost all of us knows someone in our personal life who was raise by a single mother. Not as many know someone raised by a single father.

[–]Cryhavok101 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also know plenty who wish their dad had gotten custody and are in therapy because of their single mothers.

Fortunately, both your point and mine are anecdotal.

[–]JoeBender1 44 points45 points46 points 8 years ago* (41 children) | Copy Link

My father didn't abandon me.

He was run off by my Femi-nazi Mother.

EDIT : Two Words. Restraining Order.

[–]trollly 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Assuming that's an accurate account of what happened, your father still chose to get with a woman who wasn't going to be a good partner or mother. That shouldn't be condoned either. We need to bring back the notion of personal responsibility.

[–]Datasfirstnut 44 points45 points46 points 8 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

Good, then let's allow men to terminate their parental obligation similar to abortion and fight for parity within family court.

[+]trollly -16 points-15 points-14 points 8 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

fight for parity within family court.

Indeed, let's. But, again, if men were simply more selective in choosing partners and invested more in relationships they do have then it wouldn't be a problem. There's also evidence that courts don't favor mothers and that most fathers simply don't pursue custody.

then let's allow men to terminate their parental obligation similar to abortion

Again, we need to bring back the notion of personal responsibility. Your kind would see our society crumble.

[–]DarthCerebroX 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

There's also evidence that courts don't favor mothers

Source?

EDIT: I'm pasting my comment from below up here for visibility... because these studies are actual evidence showing bias in our divorce/family courts..


If you want actual evidence.. then you should be looking at studies such as the ones conducted in this article..

https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/22457-studies-show-judicial-bias-against-dads

A study conducted in 2004 found that although the tender years doctrine had been abolished some time ago, a majority of Indiana family court judges still supported it and decided cases coming before them consistently with it.2 A survey of judges in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee found a clear preference among judges for maternal custody in general.

Or this one..

Another survey, this one commissioned by the Minnesota Supreme Court, found that a majority (56%) of the state’s judges, both male and female, agreed with the statement, “I believe young children belong with their mother.” Only a few of the judges indicated that they would need more information about the mother before they could answer. Fathers, one judge explained, “must prove their ability to parent while mothers are assumed to be able.”4 Another judge commented, “I believe that God has given women a psychological makeup that is better tuned to caring for small children.”5

"Fathers, one judge explained, “must prove their ability to parent while mothers are assumed to be able.”4 Another judge commented, “I believe that God has given women a psychological makeup that is better tuned to caring for small children.”5"

Or this one..

Judges’ self-reporting of their prejudices against fathers was consistent with practicing attorneys’ impressions of them. 69% of male attorneys had come to the conclusion that judges always or often assume from the outset (i.e., before being presented with any evidence) that children belong with their mothers. 40% of the female attorneys agreed with that assessment. Nearly all attorneys (94% of male attorneys and 84% of female attorneys) said that all judges exhibited prejudice against fathers at least some of the time.2

*"Nearly all attorneys (94% of male attorneys and 84% of female attorneys) said that all judges exhibited prejudice against fathers at least some of the time.2" *

Or even this one...

Similar findings have been made in court-sponsored gender bias studies conducted in other states. The Maryland study, for example, found that most attorneys perceived that it is either always or often the case that “[c]ustody awards to mothers are based on the assumption that children belong with their mothers.”7 A follow-up study conducted in 2001 “still indicates a preference to award mothers custody.”8 The majority of attorneys, both male and female, agreed that fathers either did not always get treated fairly in custody proceedings, or that they “often” did not. 6% of judges, 17% of female attorneys and 29% of male attorneys went so far as to say that no father ever receives fair treatment in a Maryland custody proceeding.9 Surveys of judges in Maryland, Missouri, Texas and Washington found that a majority of judges were unable to say that they usually give fathers fair consideration in custody cases.10 This matched the perception of members of the bar.11

I encourage you to read that article.. it cites the actual studies there so you can look them up if you want to.

When you start to look at studies like those... it becomes all to clear why the numbers are so heavily skewed in favor of women/mothers..

I have tons more links/studies/statistics on my home computer but I'm on mobile right now so I can't share them with you yet..

I appreciate the fact that you want to come here and debate with us... but please, if you're going to try and backup your claims with evidence.. then at least make sure it's actual evidence rather than opinion pieces or the same old bullshit rationalizations we hear all the time..

[–]trollly -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce/for-men/divorce-for-men-why-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time

[–]DarthCerebroX3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You seriously call that "evidence"?....those are nothing more than the normal bs rationalizations used to justify why women are given custody 80% of the time.

[–]trollly-1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well, from the first paragraph, it's literally the law to not favor mothers over fathers in many states.

[–]DarthCerebroX5 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol... You mean just like it's the law for the government not to discriminate based on sex?

But then you turn around and have these stats in our criminal justice system..

On average..

  • Women are 50% less likely to be convicted of a crime than a man
  • Men are given 60% longer prison sentences than women for the similar crimes
  • Women are also 50% less likely to see any prison/jail time after being convicted because they are awarded generous plea deals or given suspended sentences.

But remember though... it's totally illegal to discriminate or favor women..

Just like our criminal justice system always finds bullshit justifications for giving women preferential treatment , so do our divorce/family courts..

And the reasons they often use are pretty much the same bullshit that was listed in that article you linked

Incase you want sources for those stats.. I'll paste info below


Here is a good article about the sentencing gap between men and women

https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/sentencing-gap-men-likely-go-prison-mrzs/

Now, I'm sure one could argue that this is a biased source, but the article links directly to the studies themselves (which are credible sources and most of the studies done on this subject use the actual data from our justice department). EDIT: they don't link to the studies, just cite them. I'm trying to find them right now tho)

According to a recent study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, men on average receive 63 percent longer prison sentences than women who commit comparable crimes.

Here's the huffpro article talking about the same study... which obviously, huffpro is about as anti-male as you can get... so if they are reporting on it as well, then it's not some made up stats.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1874742

If you’re a convicted criminal, the best thing you can have going for you might be your gender.

A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven’t looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.

So even huffpro is reporting that women are twice as likely to avoid prison time even after convicted, and that women are almost twice as likely to avoid being convicted in the first place.

Give me a little bit and I'll see if I can find the links to the actual studies themselves... but it's hard because the search results are usually buried under dozens and dozens of opinion articles.

I do have the links on my home computer so if I can find them right now, I can always share them later when I get home.

But honestly, those two links alone (with completely opposite biases) reporting the same information should show you that those numbers are correct and I'm not just pulling them out of my ass.

EDIT: I encourage you to read the full goodmenproject article as it is very insightful.

‘A lot of times these issues will get drowned out because of highly public fighting between Men’s Rights Activists and feminists, which winds up overshadowing the legitimate concerns that many MRAs have,’ explained Adam Hollingsworth… ‘The sentencing gap should be a large issue not only for Men’s Rights Activists, but for feminists. It is a clear example of how our justice system treats women as if they have less agency and are thus less accountable for their actions.’

[–]DarthCerebroX4 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If you want actual evidence.. then you should be looking at studies such as the ones conducted in this article..

https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/22457-studies-show-judicial-bias-against-dads

A study conducted in 2004 found that although the tender years doctrine had been abolished some time ago, a majority of Indiana family court judges still supported it and decided cases coming before them consistently with it.2 A survey of judges in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee found a clear preference among judges for maternal custody in general.

Or this one..

Another survey, this one commissioned by the Minnesota Supreme Court, found that a majority (56%) of the state’s judges, both male and female, agreed with the statement, “I believe young children belong with their mother.” Only a few of the judges indicated that they would need more information about the mother before they could answer. Fathers, one judge explained, “must prove their ability to parent while mothers are assumed to be able.”4 Another judge commented, “I believe that God has given women a psychological makeup that is better tuned to caring for small children.”5

"Fathers, one judge explained, “must prove their ability to parent while mothers are assumed to be able.”4 Another judge commented, “I believe that God has given women a psychological makeup that is better tuned to caring for small children.”5"

Or this one..

Judges’ self-reporting of their prejudices against fathers was consistent with practicing attorneys’ impressions of them. 69% of male attorneys had come to the conclusion that judges always or often assume from the outset (i.e., before being presented with any evidence) that children belong with their mothers. 40% of the female attorneys agreed with that assessment. Nearly all attorneys (94% of male attorneys and 84% of female attorneys) said that all judges exhibited prejudice against fathers at least some of the time.2

"Nearly all attorneys (94% of male attorneys and 84% of female attorneys) said that all judges exhibited prejudice against fathers at least some of the time.2"

Or even this one...

Similar findings have been made in court-sponsored gender bias studies conducted in other states. The Maryland study, for example, found that most attorneys perceived that it is either always or often the case that “[c]ustody awards to mothers are based on the assumption that children belong with their mothers.”7 A follow-up study conducted in 2001 “still indicates a preference to award mothers custody.”8 The majority of attorneys, both male and female, agreed that fathers either did not always get treated fairly in custody proceedings, or that they “often” did not. 6% of judges, 17% of female attorneys and 29% of male attorneys went so far as to say that no father ever receives fair treatment in a Maryland custody proceeding.9 Surveys of judges in Maryland, Missouri, Texas and Washington found that a majority of judges were unable to say that they usually give fathers fair consideration in custody cases.10 This matched the perception of members of the bar.11

I encourage you to read that article.. it cites the actual studies there so you can look them up if you want to.

When you start to look at studies like those... it becomes all too clear why the numbers are so heavily skewed in favor of women/mothers..

I have tons more links/studies/statistics on my home computer but I'm on mobile right now so I can't share them with you yet..

I appreciate the fact that you want to come here and debate with us... but please, if you're going to try and backup your claims with evidence.. then at least make sure it's actual evidence rather than opinion pieces or the same old bullshit rationalizations we hear all the time..

EDIT: I'm curious now.... After seeing the results of those studies, has your mind opened up to the possibility that maybe... just maybe... our family courts really are biased in favor of women? Or do you still believe the myths (that have been disproven) that men just chose not to fight for custody or that judges are just doing what's in the best interest of the child?

[–]JediOfTheShire1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What kind of culture do we have? Traditional family values in the US say that the man brings home the bacon and the mom cooks it and takes care of the kids.

Already, who is fulfilled more in that setup by having custody of the kids. If dad gets to see them on weekends/evenings then that's his normal amount of happy. If mom's don't have them in the home at all, their purpose in the family unit is unfulfilled.

In the case of divorce, then, it makes logical sense to give kids to mom and have Dad pay child support. Then, both parents can fulfill as much of their purpose as possible.

The issues with that system stem from a new understanding of the family unit, and we need to be holistic about how we approach the subject because we are now more holistic in our approach to parenting.

[–]meeelting 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, let's. But, again, if men were simply more selective in choosing partners

You mean like how women need to just stop dating abusive men? Stop pretending that making bad decisions around your partner is a gender specific issue.

[–]trollly -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly like that. And I am not being ironic here.

I'm not pretending that it's a gendered issue. You simply have a victim complex if you're jumping to such a conclusion.

[–]meeelting3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Is that why you're blaming an entire gender for the actions of individuals? Do you do the same thing with skincolor?

[–]trollly1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm blaming both genders. Women also choose partners poorly.

[–]meeelting3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's great, but you're not exactly making that opinion apparent when you write things like:

if men were simply more selective

your kind would see our society crumble

etc. Perhaps you could choose your words in a way that more closely respond what your views are.

Let's talk about this:

You simply have a victim complex

My mom tried to take sole custody of me despite my dad being a great guy. He continuously got fought back by the court, he had to repeatedly move closer to my mom who kept moving away while he was fighting the financial issues caused by her, and she kept scaring me about him while literally beating me now and then. The police didn't listen. The courts didn't listen. The "mother" was in the right. She's bipolar and didn't get help until her late 50s.

She threw me out 6 months before I turned 18. She had issues and I had become a not-so-easy to handle teenager from having a shit childhood and moving all the time. And that's when I finally got to know my dad, who stepped up when I had nowhere to go. At that point he was just some distant man called father to me. Now we're great friends and I can clearly see how hard he fought for me when I was a kid.

There's TWO people involved in making babies, and tons of both good and bad reasons to keep a baby. People don't always take the best decisions, and blaming decision making won't help the people who got caught in the middle. People don't always see problems coming. Some people arent that' bright either, and they're the ones most likely to have kids. It's us as a society to help each other out.

[–]Yamez 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Any time you qualify a statement with the words "simply" or "just", be aware that whatever you have said is wrong.

There is nothing, nothing at all, that is straightforward that it can be simply explained, or just resolved. Any issue, upon closer analysis, will be shown to be more complex and nuanced than you--a mere human--could possibly hope to grasp in its gestaltic entirety.

Men cannot simply be more selective in choosing their partners because there is absolutely nothing simple about choosing a partner--even unconcious choices are more complex than that. Men cannot just be more choosy, because the result would be that no man chooses.

Personal responsibility is key, but it hasn't gone away and reducing another person to "your kind" when making an argument and suggesting that one "just" or "simply" does something reveals you to be profoundly unreflective, ignorant on a cosmic scale as well ideological, unflexible and unaware.

[–]trollly 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A.ka. Nobody is responsible for the consequences of their actions, everyone's a victim of circumstance, and you're going to try to give lip service to personal responsibility anyways.

[–]Yamez2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

A.K.A I didn't say that at all. In face of the grand scale of the universe and it's utterly overwhelming complexity, the only hope any person has to demonstrate their individuality and significance is to assume personal responsibility for those things that exist of the same scale as themselves.

Take responsibility for your actions and the immediate consequences, to do any less would be both a moral failure and an existential failure.

What I DID say up there is that propounding the belief that personal responsibility somehow resolves the labyrinthine mess that is the emergent world belies only your ignorance of the that world and makes you seem childish, bitter, ignorant and pretentious--that thinking any issue with nuance, like all issues have, can be "simply" resolved demonstrates exactly how "simply" you think.

[–]j3utton0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're venturing into /r/iamverysmart territory. There's some truth to what both of you are saying. Let's stop calling each other names.

[–]Yamez1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm sorry. I've been very angry about that particular issue lately.

[–]HellstromC 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You a are sick little douche bag, trying to deny father's rights.

[–]trollly 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm not the one abandoning my child. That's you people.

[–]HellstromC3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Actually feminists have on dozens of occasions -- most recently in Canada and Florida -- opposed shared parenting bills.

Every single study shows that shared parenting is in the best interests of the child, the father, and even the mother, yet you feminist scum continue to oppose it. You support abusing children.

Why? Do you really hate men that much? Do you really hate children that much?

[–]trollly1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And I oppose abandoning your child in the first place.

Say what you want, I'm not the one siring bastards.

[–]HellstromC2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

abandoning your child in the first place.

Wut?

Opposing shared parenting: the feminist track record

Dozens of studies show shared parenting in the best interests of the child

[–]trollly1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Actually, a two parent household is in the best interests of the child.

[–]HellstromC2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Um, that's what I said...

[–]trollly1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, you said that divorcing and having shared custody is optimal. That's obviously not true.

[–]HellstromC3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, you said that divorcing and having shared custody is optimal. That's obviously not true.

I said that IF you get divorced then shared parenting is optimal. Obviously intact families are best.

[–]theothermod2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Whoever keeps reporting this person because of disagreement, please stop. That's not what the report button is for.

Keep your comments in-thread.

[–]kancitbassdud12 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, because people never change? And it's always easy to be a perfect judge of character?

[–]trollly -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't a problem for me.

[–]DarthCerebroX 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

your father still chose to get with a woman who wasn't going to be a good partner or mother.

I'm curious... do you make these same remarks regarding single mothers that got knocked up by thugs, assholes, abusers, and serial unemployed losers.. who then end up living on welfare and government benefits programs which basically force the taxpayer to financially cover the costs of that child ?

[–]trollly -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You fucking know I do, man.

[–]tksmase 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nice try! We all know everyone is entitled to one perfect partner and the dude from the story went out of his way to choose wrong. Well, bad for him. While we’re at it, blame domestic violence on the victim, too, because there’s no flaws in your logic.

[–]trollly -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice try! We all know everyone is entitled to one perfect partner and the dude from the story went out of his way to choose wrong.

I'd say it's everyone's responsibility to not reward people who behave badly in relationships. That's what you're doing when you enter relationships with poor quality partners. He probably did go out of his way to choose poorly, for all we know. So many people these days don't consider the future when making decisions. Such a person wouldn't be so dissimilar to one being 'run off by a Femi-nazi Mother'.

While we’re at it, blame domestic violence on the victim, too, because there’s no flaws in your logic.

You think you got me there, but my views on this issue are quite consistent with my original point. It's widely known that in many cases of domestic abuse, the victim does not cooperate with police and defends the abuser. This should be absolutely discouraged. If kids are involved in an abusive household, then the non-abusive parent has an absolute responsibility to leave the relationship as soon as possible. Failure to do so is immoral.

[–]tksmase 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah such a spirit! What an edgelord

[–]trollly -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If advocating for personal responsibility is edgy, then you can call me Coldsteel the Hedgeheg.

[–]iNQpsMMlzAR9 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being responsible for the decisions of others isn't personal responsibility because it isn't personal. What you're describing is just-world hypothesis, which is merely rationalized apathy.

[–]laseraphinenoir15 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You’ve got a good head on your shoulders. Your kids are lucky. My dad abandoned me and my grandfather stepped up to be the greatest man in my life. Your kids will appreciate what you do.

[–]Musician427 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why can’t you just say parents who abandon their children are scum? I’m a single father because my ex-wife left my daughter and I a decade ago.

[–]BlackBoxInquiry 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It’s sickening.

[+]Proteus_Marius -117 points-116 points-115 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Be much more careful in your use of the royal "we".

I've never "denigrated fatherhood" in my life and my friends would pitch a howl if the idea was suggested openly. Perhaps you owe us an edit.

[–]HackedAgainDamnit 192 points193 points194 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Probably "we" as a society. The reason this sub exists, you know?

[+]Proteus_Marius -82 points-81 points-80 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay, deliver your defendable source.

According to the Pew Research Center, fathers are looked upon a bit more favorably than your claim.

This sub exists according to the sub's sidebar and not because any of us enjoy this shit.

Edit: Sorry Pew Research Center; I used your data poorly with these louts.

[–]Spmckenz 40 points41 points42 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your source only claims that men say they spend more time/energy on fatherhood, not that other people's perception of fathers in general has increased. I know you're a troll but at least work for it a little bit.

[–]Proteus_Marius -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know you're a troll

No, you don't.

[–]double-happiness 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you actually read your own source??

...more and more children are growing up without a father in the home. [...] Roughly half (48%) say they spend too little time with their kids. [...] When it comes to caring for a new baby, 53% of Americans say that, breast-feeding aside, mothers do a better job than fathers [...] About one-fourth (27%) say it’s more important for new babies to bond with their moms [...] Among those who took time off to care for a new baby in the past two years, fathers took a median of one week off from work for this reason, compared with a median of 11 weeks for mothers... About half of adults (49%) say employers put more pressure on fathers to return to work quickly after the birth or adoption of a new child...

[–]Proteus_Marius 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not all good news for fatherhood; true. But it's news we should know and understand.

And yes, I look at Pew research regularly, thanks for asking.

[+]Levy_Wilson -66 points-65 points-64 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The media, the government (including courts), and feminists. If you do not fit into either of those three groups, there's no "we".

[–]Miscrotesoft 55 points56 points57 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

"Don't we technically own the Panama canal"

- you, clearly demonstrating you understand the use of "we" as collective reference to a group of people. You chose to argue semantics over this just to fight with people, is what it looks like

[–]Levy_Wilson -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We, the country, the American people. A question of ownership and concrete information. The usage of "we" as it applies to this situation is about an opinion that a majority of people in the US do not hold. It's hardly the same.

[–]Miscrotesoft 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you personally have concrete ownership of the Panama canal?

Also, you think the only way in which people denigrate fatherhood is by the opinions they hold? Have you looked at the front page of this sub today?

an opinion that a majority of people in the US do not hold.

Actually, if you look at your buddy's links to the Pew data, you'll see that over 50 percent of people polled believe that mothers are inherently better caregivers than fathers.

[–]layorz 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be careful with this "us", winner

[–]irx4u 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment is just you acting offended and writing an unwarranted and overly defensive reply just for the sake of starting an argument. Whether or not that was your intention, that is how it comes off.

Can’t stand that.

[–]asillyduck_ 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't think those good mothers and fathers aren't in collusion or permissive of this denigration? Were they passing between each other at work and the breakfast table petitions to sign? Before it got here. Yes, WE the full royal we of all of society. Suck it up. Get over it. Lets roll our sleeves up and fix it.

If they were, did they revise and inspect deeper into the issue to find the true driving force and petition against that? Because there is one.

[–]FarmTaco 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

lol, wtf?

[–]Proteus_Marius -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You might consider using complete sentences more often.

[–]FarmTaco 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let me guess, i 'owe' it to you? rofl, get the fuck out of here, nobody owes you shit bucko.

[–]Proteus_Marius -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. You almost completed two full sentences today, so it seems like you're off to a great start.

[–]FarmTaco 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rofl, you must be super fun, i doubt you even have friends. Do you think anyone cares about sentance structure? On reddit? Go back to r/incel

[+]Kickyourass52 -101 points-100 points-99 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ill beat the living daylights out of a velociraptor to loss it off then set it loose on you fcik nut

[+]robobountyhunter -44 points-43 points-42 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

omfg i can't tell if you're a comedic genius or if you're being serious 😂😂

[–]GenerationBlue25 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The answer is neither of those things

[+]robobountyhunter 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. I mean look at this guy's name and post history. It just seems like his entire account could be a big joke or he's just a dickhead lmao

[+]Kickyourass52 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you too

[–]ObnoxiousNormalcy 207 points208 points209 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad you included good in the title. Fuck you dad

[–]TickleMeSmallz 81 points82 points83 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, you are a part of your dad, and the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon

[–]Iamnotelephant21 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hah. That song is such an inside joke between me and my dad. Just last night he asked me when we could go out bowling.

"Well, the new jobs a hassle and the kids got the flu, but its sure nice talking to you dad."

Heavy euro accent laughing "Ya ya, vary funny asshole."

For a man who didn't meet his own father until he was 23 on an entirely different continent, my dad is and was an amazing father. Both of my parents were and still are great parents and grandparents. These threads always make me feel bad for those people who don't have their parents around for whatever reason.

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[–]Korinthe 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All it takes is one small moment to slip up and do irreparable damage to your children.

You risk letting that moment happen if you are overly emotional and unstable from the onset.

Get some help with your rage.

[–]Ragnrok 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Break the cycle, get a vasectomy

[–]Ed_ButteredToast 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen brother.

[+]Saidsker -21 points-20 points-19 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

At least we'll always have the holy father.

[–]peanutunion 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that brings no comfort to atheists such as myself

[–]Saidsker 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Church is always open. Free wine bro

[–]peanutunion 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah man I have zero interest in church. It just doesn't represent a good message for me. If it works for you thats great. But it doesn't for everyone

[–]WolfeBane84 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but he said there would be free booze.

[–]Race978 134 points135 points136 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Is that the piece of his butt?

[–]JSON___ 113 points114 points115 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

"This was my father's. And my father's father. Here son, take a piece of my ass."

[–]nibiyabi 42 points43 points44 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You are eerily close to an ancient Roman (or maybe Greek, or both) tradition of passing down antimony pills. Antimony is a heavy metal which, if ingested, aids digestion or reduces abdominal discomfort or something similar. Now, these pills were very expensive and your body would only absorb an extremely small amount... so, you fish through your poop, get it back, rinse it off, and use it again. When you die, you leave it to your son, then he leaves it to his son, and on and on.

[–]Glitsh 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wait....is this....for real?

[–]VersatileFaerie 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I googled it and found a very short page on Wikipedia about it, so I guess it is true.

[–]WikiTextBot 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Antimony pill

An Antimony pill is a pill made from metallic antimony. It was a popular remedy in the nineteenth century, and it was used to purge and revitalise the bowels. In use, it is swallowed and allowed to pass through the body, after which it is customarily recovered for reuse, giving rise to the name everlasting pill. The antimonial cup yielded the same effect.


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[–]VersatileFaerie 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good Bot

[+]calafragilistic 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Now it's called gum

[–]1badls2goat_v23 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

sorts through morning poop to find future offsprings' xanthan inheritance

[–]speenatch 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This puts Gunnerkrigg Court in a whole new light.

[–]blue_horse_shoe 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or [from seeing my father over time] "here's another fuck that I don't give"

[–]Dreadwatch 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm guessing his heart.

[–]alman3007 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely the butt.

[–]Dreadwatch 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well shit.

[–]HackedAgainDamnit 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know my Dad worked his ass off to give me a better life, makes sense.

[–]mcavvacm 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In my case yes, I inherited his flatulence.

[–]JonathonWally 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same, it’s freakish how it’s the exact same.

[–]erietemperance5 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dad probably took out the "pain in his ass" and gave it to his kid.

[–]irx4u 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

u/Race978 asking the right questions 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[–]ElectronicDrug 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ayo gurl break me off a piece of dat ass

[–]fffjayare 119 points120 points121 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

literally just saw this on r/im14andthisisdeep

[–]BobbTheBuilder 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is gold, and I thank you for sharing it 😂

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[–]Tabby_N1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Probably, I saw it on imgur. I debated whether to post it there or here, but it seemed like a good message so, here it is!

[–]cabe565 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Love this.

[–]LennonForPresident 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this gave me a wild flashback to the Instagram comments girls post

[–]DeathbatMaggot[🍰] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Where my dudes at who grew up without a father?

Fuck you Shawn

[–]Graybealz 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My old man ran off when I was young too. He actually sued my mom for custody, then didn't show up to the trial.

However, I just had a baby girl about 3 months ago. If there was a picture that would go with this, it would be a little baby holding that same block to give to the son, now father. It's a wonderful feeling, that makes it all the more difficult to understand why someone would run off.

[–]DeathbatMaggot[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's where my anger (used to) come from. Whatever, I dont give a shit about not paying child support. But no calls? No letters? No texts? Nothing. I haven't heard from this man in years. I'm an adult now, there's so much he's missed out on. How could you not want to be involved in your child's life?

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[–]Moist_Gracie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang it. I have a really funny joke to answer this question. But this isn't the subreddit for that.

[–]got_sweg 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I gotchu. Fuck you John and Tom

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, my mother recently heavily hinted that my father raped her. Shit's messed up. That's a big part of why I'm in favour of abortion on demand, TBH.

[–]seafood10 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm a Dad to a 7 year old boy and love this

[–]LoganPhyve 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. I will always sacrifice for my children, son and daughter.

I look back on my own father and realize he was hard on me because he wanted the best for me.

What are we, if we cannot pick up our children when they fall down. It takes true strength to do that. My father was and continues to be a strong man.

[–]seafood10 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I too look back on my Dad, he drove from Newport Beach to Pico Rivera and then later El Segundo every single day in LA Traffic, I could not do that whatsoever but he did it and rarely complained.
Me, I am a whiny bitch but I look back at him and remember what a true man is like and change my tune quickly.

[–]Tymalic 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I guess I just got my pieces from other places.

[–]TheInevitableVoid1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Mother was a microwave oven.
Father was a baseball game on the T.V.

[–]stevrock 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My papa was a rolling stone.

[–]barabrith 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I grew up with a deadbeat mum and dad. They were both terrible people. I can't wait to see just how much of an amazing dad my husband is going to be to our little boy, due any day now. He's going to knock it out of the park.

[–]NebulousASK 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember daddy's hands workin' 'til they bled

Sacrificed unselfishly just to keep us all fed

If I could do things over, I'd live my life again

And never take for granted the love in daddy's hands

-Holly Dunn

[–]TheSteamWolf 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, man. I love you, Dad. Just... need a sec. Something in my eye.

[–]DustPalacePapa 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The most beautiful post of the day has become a haven for trolls spouting opinion. Sad.

[–]bennykillam 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My best friend grew up without a dad, hearing how much it’s effected him has made me grateful for things I wouldn’t have been otherwise. I love my dad. I’m grateful for his sacrifices. He is what I aspire to be. Dads of Reddit. Thank you for being there for your kids. Thank you for taking everything you are and giving it to them. You guys are superheroes.

[–]Sanash_G 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oof good thing he didn't give him that tacky hat

[–]jamesjr1224 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How many sons does that dad have?

[–]Tabby_N3 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe hes giving his son the final piece? The son looks like an adult, so maybe hes giving him the last thing before he goes into the full world.

[–]jamestheman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imma need the algorithm used here to calculate percentage of blocks per dad needed to create block dad vs ratio of blocks lost over time as a function of sadness+anguish divided by time squared.

[–]atred 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love my father!

[–]kolop1 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I've always hated this photo. I don't think fatherhood is like giving up pieces of myself.

[–]WaltKerman 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

That's definitely not what it's saying.

[–]kolop1 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is. The son has a hole and the father gives him a piece of himself to fill it. He has already given up many pieces of himself, because his son keeps needing these holes filled.

It's like his son needs this father to pick himself apart so he can survive. It's clearly killing the father.

[–]Dontworryabout_it 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well a father sells his time and effort in order to fill his son's stomach. He is literally using up his life to give life to his son. Not to mention all the other things a father (parents in general) sacrifice for their children.

It might not sit well with our sensibilities, but it's accurate.

[–]kolop1 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but your should not being giving up pieces of yourself. It's like this son can't stand on his own and is draining his father. How old is the son here anyway? 30?

[–]Dontworryabout_it 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Children can't stand on their own til they're in their late teens at the very earliest. Until then, they take the vast majority of their parent's resources. That's what this is showing.

And just because you're giving up pieces of yourself (ie time, effort, all your sacrifices) doesn't mean you regret or resent it. He's a good father because he wants to give all that he is to his son

[–]kolop1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. People act like I can't have an opinion on a piece of art. It's art and you can see it however you want, but you can't tell me how to see it.

[–]Godspeed311 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Life itself has a 100% mortality rate. The fact is the blocks will be taken away whether he has the son to offer them to or not, and the son in turn will have to lose or pass on his blocks.

[–]kolop1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You can't tell me how to interpret art. You see it how you want and I see it how I want.

[–]Godspeed311 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yea I am not saying you are wrong, just that I don't think there is anything evil, wrong, or sinister about the father giving the son one of his blocks. He does so out of necessity in my opinion, as it is not his son's need that is killing him, but life itself.

[–]kolop1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's your opinion. You don't have to go on and on about it. I don't really care.

[–]Godspeed311 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What prompted you to share your opinion that you hated this photo?

[–]kolop1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I shared my opinion. I didn't tell other peoples theirs were wrong.

[–]Godspeed311 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, I am not saying you are wrong. Sometimes people have to talk about their differences of opinion to understand each other, and many times after doing so they are actually in agreement. I don't even know what the blocks represent, I am just sharing thoughts with you about why it doesn't have to be taken that the son is mooching somehow. I am glad that you don't feel like being a father is draining to you in the way you see portrayed in this picture. Happy Friday!

[–]kolop11 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Cool story bro.

[–]Godspeed3111 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]ApertureBear 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who hurt you?

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. The father is filling in missing pieces of his son before he fills in missing pieces of himself. It's selflessness. You have a really negative outlook.

[–]redmagistrate50[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And why not? You give them your time, your resources. You try to pass on your values, your culture, your story. You don't lose all of it, but you're not getting that time back.

My dad has given me literal years of his life, whether they were as simple as taking me camping, or holding me while I cried my eyes out over lost love. That's his time, a chunk of his life he happily gave to me.

And I hate the reminder this picture brings that my dad will eventually fade away, like every dad. But every moment he gave me is precious, every value, every joke we shared.

[–]kolop1 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cool story bro.

[+]Rabbi_Rustko 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My pa gave me crippling alcoholism

[–]Plutonium_man 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol glad I get to keep all of myself for myself since I won't be having children

[–]Alcatrax_ 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what I'm sending my dad on Father's Day

[–]rainbowsforall 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a son, but my father worked incredibly hard to provide for my brother and I and encourage is in our education. I don't know I got so lucky to have a father like him. He's the reason my brother go into fixing up old cars, and is now about to go to grad school for mechanical engineering. I think I've got more of my mother in me but my father was still incredibly important in expanding my political views and teaching the importance of hard work.

[–]thewonderdo 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This hit me like a truck. I've given every bit of myself to my son and to be a good father but my ex-wife fucks me at every turn with her sabotage and bullshit

[–]Terribledragon4Hire 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great cartoon. Speaks volumes. However to more accurately represent my life I would like to see a daughter, son, and wife all lined up each needing pieces and the father giving them to each one, again looking like he is missing peices

[+]NoOneSeesTheWizard 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry potato brain here I don't quite understand, can someone explain this to me?

[–]sonickid101 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This father is offering his son a missing piece of himself (maybe information or advice) that he can give his son in order to fill a void. While at the same time having voids of his own that went unfilled throughout his life. If I had the guess it goes to show that even unfulfilled fathers can give their children a better life than they had.

[–]brokedown 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This image depicts the passing of the patriarchy to the next generation of white cis male oppressors.

/s, obviously

[–]by_myself 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always had an uncomfortable time thinking about my father. I know that he worked to pay the bills, keep a roof over my head, and make sure that I had clothes, but I have this constant feeling that he rarely ever took the time to raise me.

When I was younger I remember we went hiking, we collected rocks and put them in a polisher. I remember him bringing home a small lego kit for my brother and I when we were younger, and we went on vacations every year. But I have very few of these memories and a lot more memories of him looking after his own interests.

We never seemed to have the money for a Nintendo, but dad would buy radios or radio equipment that cost him several hundred dollars from time to time. We didn't have anything to do in our community, the climbing suicide rate was getting a lot of attention before we finally moved away. I would do chores around the house, and shit like vacuuming the entire first floor of the house would earn me a measly $5 CAD towards a discounted Super Nintendo that was replaced by the N64 by the time I could afford it. Dad never played games with me, he almost never helped me with my homework, he never taught me important lessons like the value of honesty, or even how to drive when I got older. We moved around the country a lot as he moved from job to job, we ended up living somewhere where I was bullied incessantly to the point where I had to be homeschooled, my father didn't teach me how to be strong or to stand up to bullies - if anything my brother and I used to get in trouble for getting into fights, so I was afraid to fight back.

One year I really wanted a lego mindstorms kit. I asked my parents for one. My dad got me a Zilog Z80 encore. I had no idea what to do with it, he handed it to me and fucked off. He didn't get me something that was easy enough for me to use, and he had no interest in learning how to use it with me. It went back to him after I couldn't learn how to use it, and since then I've always wondered if the presents he bought me and my brother weren't for us at all, but were for him - that made so much more sense.

I love my dad, but he wasn't like the dad in this picture. I hope that other people's father's do better.

[–]yallapapi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like this

[–]ZeroSternritter17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can never be half the man my dad is !!

[–]Lidiored 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That last piece is money to attain freedom.

[–]SirSausagePants 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I had a good dad.

[–]TexanMcDaniel 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why I don't want kids

[–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing a man truly has besides himself is his son (if even that).

It's saddening.

Glad I've been close to my dad all my life. I've always had a huge appreciation for him, but recently turning 21 and seeing the reality of shit makes me so much more grateful for the guy.

[–]ShowMeYourTorts 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This really hit me in the feels for some reason

[–]aviationmaybe1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

me/irl

[–]imguralbumbot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Epileptic_Ebola 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a high res image - this could make a brilliant birthday gift

[–]enginemonkey16 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wut?

[–]JayJayEcks 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fiction.

[+]SpaceGhost_Jizzila 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my father used to kiss me on the lips and laugh

[–]deephurting666 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes me glad i had a vasectomy young.. Fuck marriage as well!

[–]aircoft -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is sad but true....

[–]expert02 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What does this have to do with mens rights?

[–]DrewFlan-5 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why is this posted here?

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