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[–]Monkits 312 points313 points314 points 14 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link
This is a good thing.
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 16 points17 points18 points 14 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Very much so. I prefer to keep my girlfriend's and my bank accounts, bills, etc. separate for this very reason. There's nothing more attractive than a girl who can balance her own check book (and has her own money she works for).
[–]firex726 11 points12 points13 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Same for me and my GF but we don't keep a tally of things either.
If shes short on cash I'll spot her a $20, and months later I might need a $50.
She is bothered by the money since I make a lot more then she does, but I try to down play things.
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Exactly the same situation here. We split certain things, like rent and electric, but we both have separate finances and live more like roommates in that aspect. The 'two become one' bullshit is far past in our society and we both find it empowering to be two distinct people coexisting rather than one unit.
[–]firex726 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, we split it down the middle as well, but I have been lately downplaying certain bills since I don't want her dropping 60% of her income on them when it's only like 25% for me.
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We grade our rent for the same reason. Good on you guys for being an informed couple.
[–]Osiiris 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Your post actually makes me sad. I support mens-rights but I guess I'm a romantic in that respect.
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I dunno. I just Like the idea that two independent, viable people choose to be together because they actually enjoy each other's company. That isn't to say couples that pool assets don't enjoy each other's company and aren't equal financially. I just think independence is attractive in a partner.
[–]Osiiris -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As an introvert 'independence' is a pretty high requirement for me aswell. It was your dismissal of the statement "the two become one" which imparted the most distress. While I can understand a separation of sorts during the period before children. Once you have them the assets which you were saving for alone time I feel would be better spent on the children. But what I am seeing is that these sorts of relationships result in parents trading time with their children and support for their children away as a means of maintaining that lifestyle. It is my belief that pooling your assets is a necessity for developing a lifestyle where you can give-up the 'you' and embrace 'we'. Because regardless of your sociological and/or political affiliation, I believe, that your ability to support them is paramount over all else. This does not include the projection of what ever values you may hold dear, because whatever you think is right, you cannot prove objectively as being so.
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If I were talking about a wife I had kids with, then I would probably be for pooling assets for the family. This is my girlfriend though. I'm 25. Not ready for family yet and if I tried it'd just be playing house.
[–]Osiiris 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
'And the smart breed less' So saith Idiocracy.
[–]itchd 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Likewise here. She pays the rent, I pay the electric, cable, cell phone(s). We each pay our own car payment. It's actually quite nice. This is the first relationship that I've been in where we've done this. Usually it's 50/50 split & it never works out. Inevitably, someone runs out of money.
[–]adamsfan42 -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i can think of a couple more attractive things. like being skinny for starters, but i guess im just a shallow ass hole
[–]truthjusticeUSAway 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can't it be both?
Also, my name is Adam. You are my fan.
[–]adamsfan42 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
we can only dream.
[–]MrJAPoe 26 points27 points28 points 14 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you, but I believe that the manner in which the presentation was given was in a bad light
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[–]generalchaoz 282 points283 points284 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The lighting is pretty poor
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[–]walkingtheriver 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
http://i.imgur.com/VNS1E.jpg
[+]MrJAPoe -48 points-47 points-46 points 14 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link
The main slide says that women don't need men and are "empowered"
I see this as a pro-women, anti-men kind of seminar. This could be completely taken out of context, however. I'm just reading from what I can see from the original picture
Edit: Ok, I realize I may have come off a little narrow-minded and misogynistic. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry
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[–]MrJAPoe 31 points32 points33 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That's one thing I don't like about this subreddit: there's usually little-to-no context. I hope we seem level-headed and not obnoxious assholes
[–]7oby 17 points18 points19 points 14 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
here's the context: OP only posted this picture and has had an account for 2 hours. never posted anything else ever. Maybe this is all bullshit.
This may be the source: http://www.wife.org/man-is-not-a-plan.htm
but it seems to stem from an old saying: http://financiallybrilliantwomen.com/2011/10/20/1-mistake-women-make-money/
[–]MrJAPoe 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
On REDDIT? Who would do such an abhorrent thing?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
He is looking at them
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Personally, I don't mind being an obnoxious asshole when it's warranted (or even for the hell of it). But being a (serious) bigoted asshole is just not cool for any gender.
[–]MrJAPoe 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's occasionally just cause for this, but I'm going to call you out if you're being a dick/bitch. I would also like to quote my mother: "You never hit a lady, but a lady will never hit you"
She doesn't mean beat the shit out of her, but everyone is entitled to hold their own against anyone else
[–]Maschalismos 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Quick tip: dont obsess about how we seem to others. Instead focus on our goals and whether or not we reach them.
I used to worry about how society viewed me as an MRA. Then i realized; it is society that needs to change, not me. Let them view me as they will. Eventually my views will be part of the mainstream.
[–]monkat 20 points21 points22 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What? Women don't need men for money. Empowered is just used as a buzzword. I'm not sure why, since it's rarely used correctly, but people always react positively towards it.
The idea is to foster independance among women. That's a very good thing from any reasonable perspective. That's not to say that a lot of men couldn't use the same talk, just that independance is good.
[–]MrJAPoe 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I get where you're coming from, I would just like to know if this presentation is coming from a place of reason or is trying to place women on a pedestal
[–]monkat 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
trying to place women on a pedestal
It's from woman-to-women from the looks of it. That would be what we call a circlejerk, and if you don't like those you're probably on the wrong site! Kidding aside, the only thing that makes you assume that a circlejerk is going on is the word 'empowered,' which I already explained.
[–]MrJAPoe 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wholeheartedly agree. I hope I also made myself seem skeptical by my observation of lack of context
[–]lemhi_divide 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look, the from women to women thing might be a good thing: not a self-glorification of a bunch of successful people in the same room but someone who has sacrificed to get ahead and say, "I did it, you can too! You don't need to be dependent!"
It's way more powerful to lead by example.
[–]Aikidi 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women not needing men and being empowered isn't misandry, that's only pro-women, which is fine. Thinking that empowering women to take control of their own finances is misandrist is pretty misogynistic in itself.
I did not mean to come off like that. I'm sorry if I offended
[–]drinkthebleach 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey, if that 'empowerment' is just working for yourself and contributng to society, fuck yeah. We can't really tell without seeing the whole thing.
[–]MrJAPoe 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Empowerment is a good thing, yes. I just dislike when it is used as a replacement for "supremacy"
[–]KingNick 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]ILikeTerdals 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just to let you know, I agree with you even though others seem not to. The seminar is obviously to empower women to pursue their own financial gain rather than for a man. Thumbs up to you
[–]drinkthebleach 48 points49 points50 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
In 1st grade a girl refused to learn how to count because her mom told her a man would do everything for her one day. Good to know the schools aren't taking that anymore, especially in later education. Made me smile.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I understand the financial aspect, but learning how to count?. That's disgustingly ignorant.
[–]drinkthebleach 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It was 1st grade, dude. I also thought you could cure the flu if you danced around enough.
[–]danthemango 126 points127 points128 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
the best forms of Men's Rights Activism doubles as feminism
[–]thegirlwhowasonfire 68 points69 points70 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. The best policies for equality are the best policies for everyone.
[–]Moustachiod_T-Rex 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a really good point. I could almost see that being in the sidebar.
[+][deleted] -18 points-17 points-16 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Except when that financial plan is getting pregnant for child support. Then feminists change their mind.
Edit: Am I being downvoted because I'm wrong or because I hit a sore spot with feminists?
[+]NBRA -34 points-33 points-32 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, fuck you. Stop making excuses for female supremacism.
[–]DubiumGuy 29 points30 points31 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
MRA's should be about equality for all regardless of what genitals you have down below. That means embracing those who class themselves as feminists under the classic definition of the term. That is, people who want women to have the same rights and opportunities as men. This is in contrast to those extremist feminists who are mired in misandry that MRA's have to push back against.
[–]Stratisphear -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude. Troll. Just downvote and move along.
[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 14 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
True story: About 12 years ago a female financial planner was interviewed on a local news station in a city where i used to live. First words out of her mouth was "Many women lack financial planning skills, because men don't let us learn them. But we should learn it anyway, because its empowering."
At first I was angry, but then i cackled, tented my fingers, and plotted other ways to keep females from book learnin'.
[–]Lucaribro 25 points26 points27 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Printed type! Don't even speak of it, lest the serfs get any ideas.
[–]TheDarkHorse83 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Many Americans lack financial planning skills
As evidenced by the large number of people with big debts that they can't pay off.
Many politicians lack financial planning skills
As evidenced by the large debt that the county has that it can't pay off.
[–]no1elsehasthisname 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Been saying this for years yet no one listens or understands the simplicity of those statements.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree, i was just relaying what the woman said on the show
[–]TheDarkHorse83 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you. I was very amused by your villain-like reaction and I'm still chuckling cackling.
Have a second upvote.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It absolutely does happen that husbands take charge of the finances to such a degree that wives doesn't get to participate, or build their skills, even though they want to. But it is rare these days, because most men are conscious of it and see why it is bad - thanks to feminism, mostly.
What is not rarer, is wives similarly taking charge of traditionally female domains, to the degree that husbands don't get to participate.
For some, like cooking, it's not such a big deal. For others, such as social activities, arrangements and purchases, it can really harm a man. Child rearing comes in a special category, since not only does getting pushed out out of that hurt the husband, it hurts the child also. To the degree that feminism has adressed this at all, it has done it far less efficiently, and thus far fewer women are conscious about it and see why it is bad.
[–]Alanna 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women taking control of personal finances is nothing new. Historically, women often managed the household, which meant they budgeted the husband's income for food, clothes, rent (where applicable), servants, debts, etc., and then let the husband know how much he could spend on incidentals.
[–]Dranosh 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you mean to tell me that all those men that ask for a receipt at work because their wife handles the money are actually wanting it for themselves and love portraying themselves as incompetent fools who can even add and subtract?
[–]gingerkid1234 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Something I've always found sociologically interesting is that my mom, a housewife, manages the family's money. Essentially, she's in charge of the family (for most things outside financial planning too), and my dad brings home paychecks. It's a bizarre feminist take on being a homemaker.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That seems like the traditional take, honestly. You're in charge of the household, including its bookkeeping. But that's from the days when they treated "homemaker" as a profession.
[–]Alanna 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a very traditional take on it. If you read Jane Austin, for example, women were doing the same thing in Georgian (1700s) England.
[–]a1blank 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My parents are in the same sort of situation. They're happy that way, from what I can tell. They've been doing it for 30 years and it's still working fine.
[–]a1blank 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My parents (who are still happily married after 30 years) seem to be an anomaly, I suppose. My dad is the breadwinner, but it's my mom who makes sure that the budget keeps working.
[–]MjrJWPowell 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mine, too. When my mom would leave for a length of time, my dad had to call her up to ask her which accounts were used to pay what bills.
[–]Deadeyeguy 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't help but imagine a Da Vinci Code style mystery, uncovering the sacred knowledge of financial planning, and other work related info, hidden by the self-serving patriarchal Illuminati.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My mother became a surgeon so that she would never have to rely on a man.
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[–]Aikidi 70 points71 points72 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's pro equality, which I'm a fan of.
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[–]Tralan 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well... it can be so long as we don't pull a Feminism later down the road.
[–]BallsackTBaghard 55 points56 points57 points 14 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
Do they need a presentation to understand that?
[–]jayce513 66 points67 points68 points 14 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Some do. I have met many women who have no other goal then to find someone who is successful. I have actually heard the words "I'm only going to college to meet a guy, he will take care of me" and "I don't need to worry about money, that's my husbands responsibility"
[–]Jerzeem 36 points37 points38 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
My sister refers to this as, "Getting an MRS degree." She thinks it is pretty ridiculous.
[–]the_girl 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I've heard that this is a huge thing at MBA programs. A ton of women go just to meet successful husbands.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Who the fuck wants a helpless woman? It has always baffled me that this kind of weakness almost seems like it is attractive to lot of men.
[–]firex726 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Physical attraction, if they're hot enough many men will opt for a helpless women over a secure one.
[–]typhonblue 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
helpless in life, helpless in love, masters of hate
[–]Moustachiod_T-Rex 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree, but there are men out there who want trophy wives.
I think it goes way beyond physical attraction. If you are a dominant person, (or you are insecure) you may like "weakness" or dependence in your partners. This can extend to financial/ life-path type dependence.
NOT that is always the case (I went to high school with girls who specifically went to college to get married), or only a product of women treating men as a lottery ticket. A lot of women "dumb down" to be more attractive (less threatening) to men. And some domineering women like "softer" more dependent men. But it's not always a bad thing, either. Sometimes that's what works for people. Why do some people find this attractive? Beats me. But there are a lot of characteristics that people like that I don't empathize with.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like many women here in Utah. It's embarrassing.
[–]Tralan 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Baby Factories looking for successful Baby Batter Vats to take care of Mexican-Level families.
[–]Ididerus 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How about poor, uneducated resource-depleting families? Most Mexicans who have been here for a generation are doing far better than a lot of the white-trash I meet.
[–]Tralan 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true. Mexican families are traditionally large, is all i meant. As are traditional Mormon families. However, in typical Mormon families, only 1 person has an income.
Indeed. Similarly, I've never had my girlfriend so objectified as to when my mom met her for the first time.
[–]LtCthulhu 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Care to elaborate? Sounds interesting.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In high school I had girlfriends, but in college I dated a girl who was easily the most attractive girl I've ever been with. Brought her home to thanksgiving to meet my family, and my mom would make little whispers about how beautiful she was, and how she's already hoping that it works out for us as a couple. Commented on her nice body, tan skin, beautiful face, which made me a little uncomfortable. Of course she called her "nice and sweet" as well, but it was very obvious she was absolutely caught up mostly on her appearance. And then over the next couple years while we were dating, whenever we had family or friends over she would always mention how "gorgeous" my girlfriend was, never failing to mention her good looks. Even female friends and my sister seemed to be very caught up on her appearance.
Sometimes I would think to myself..."but...she has a great personality, too!!! I don't just like her for her appearance!"
The whole relationship was a real eye-opener. Both in the objectified treatment of attractive women (from an outsiders perspective I would still say there are more positives than negatives), and also the judgement of me as a man based on how attractive my girlfriend is --my status went up immediately simply because I had a physically attractive girlfriend.
At the end of the day, as much as it sucks, I still think that most guys would prefer their daughters/sisters to marry a man with a solid job. And most girls would prefer their sons/brothers to marry an attractive girl. It's hard to uproot that biology.
[–]-RobotDeathSquad- 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can you expand on your point?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And you know what? There are plenty of guys that are willing to marry women knowing they're like that as long as they look good and suck dick. Sure, I think it's stupid and would never do it, but hey, everyone's got someone for them out there.
[–]Amunium 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's true, I don't mind if other people want traditional gender roles as long as both parties agree. Want to have a relationship where the man works and makes money while the woman takes care of kids, cooks meals and spends money? Fine by me, as long as I don't have to participate.
– But you don't get to fucking complain about patriarchal society, wage gaps, male dominance and "women in the kitchen" if you want this, and you have to factor it into statistics that sometimes this way is the woman's choice.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, you would still have the right to complain if the choice weren't offered to everyone. I'm of the opinion that in 2012 there are very few girls in the US who aren't aware of their options.
But theoretically, just because I want to stay at home doesn't mean anyone else whould have to or have NOT to.
[–]mutsuto 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that is disgusting
[–]wavegeek 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
AKA "She's enrolled in Marriage 1"
[–]BallsackTBaghard 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What is MRA and MRS?
[–]Sarikitty 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MBA is short of Master of Business Administration, a degree required for most reputable business positions.
MRS is referencing Mrs., as in Mrs. Smith, a title used in English for married women.
The joke is that instead of attending college to earn a degree that will lead her to success in the business world, said woman is attending college simply to meet a man she can marry who will support her.
[–]ExpendableOne 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
How many women do you believe stop working after having children and how many of those do you think had that as part of their life plan all along? How many women do you think meet men and not only become depended very quickly but also come to expect a certain lifestyle that is provided by their partner's income? How common is it for women to accumulate a serious amount of dept(student loans, credit cards, etc) and then enter into a relationship with the intention of having her debt become "our debt"? How many women depend on the income, spousal support and child support payments of former, generally male, partners? How many women still go out on dates expecting the man, or the person taking on an initiator role(typically expected of men), to pay? How many women still expect that their man spend and spoil them? How many women dream of a big expensive wedding, for which a man still ends up picking the bill on? A lot of this stuff does happen and it happens a lot. Probably a lot more so in the older generations but that mentality is still absolutely present in younger women as well(I would argue unanimously even, considering all minor cases, the wishful dreamers and all the different cultures/religions where this type of mentality is still going strong). Even if this was still a small fraction of women, or even men, who still felt this way, it would be a worthwhile message.
Hypergamy is a very scary, but real thing.
[+]Aikidi -10 points-9 points-8 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Just isn't mens rights without being condescending towards an entire gender, I guess.
[–]LtCthulhu 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So you think that it is okay to marry a man for his money?
You suck.
[–]Owl_mo 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They didn't say that?
[–]BannedFromSeddit -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Will men finally get the point about stopping sexual harassment?
I mean, how hard could it be?
[–]LtCthulhu 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think men as a whole don't try to perpetuate sexual harassment. There are a select few of them who continue to commit it. Try not to generalize, and you will help solve the problem.
[–]Tommassive 13 points14 points15 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Right - I'm sure those Sugar Daddy websites out there don't get any hits.
[–]LtCthulhu 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That shit is so absurd.
[–]fujimitsu 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's consensual.
Meh.
I'd rather someone use such a service than import a quasi-slave bride.
[–]Alanna -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, there's websites for that too. shudder
[–]firelord1973 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not really, if your a older guy who is smart enough to have been sucessfull, why not use that sucess to secure a young pretty to bang, yes of course she is using him for the cash, and he is getting nothing more than a paid whore, but by that time the cash easy to get and no doubt means little to him.
[–]LtCthulhu 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she is using him for the cash, and he is getting nothing more than a paid whore
I think that is absurd.
[–]sligowaths 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is that? Both people in that kind of stuff knows exactly what each other is after.
[–]picopallasi 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Financial planning is important for anyone, self-reliance is also important.
[–]the_girl 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
A friend of mine (happens to be gay) from high school ended up going to law school and being really successful, and eventually married a nice photographer/professor guy.
I was talking once to his new husband, with whom I was commiserating about the difficulties of making a living in the art world.
I asked what his advice was (since he's about a decade older than me and a professor at a respected art school) and he laughed, "Marry a rich lawyer!"
I was confused for a second, then realized he was talking about my friend, whom I've known since I was 15.
I felt really confused and strange. I felt suddenly sorry for my friend and offended this guy would see him that way, but also weird that this guy was so much older and was in a position of respect.
My views of maturity and fairness changed a lot that day.
[–]Revoran 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is it possible the guy actually really loves your friend and was just making a joke?
[–]the_girl 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh yes of course, they are very happy together. I just never expected him to say something like that, especially since I was expecting "mentor-ish" advice since I saw him as an older, respected academic. It just made me realize that people's motivations and desires can be entirely different from what you'd think.
[–]CoolLordL21 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His joke may have had more to do with the bleakness of finding well paying art gigs than anything else.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would've bitch slapped that fool.
[–]MRMRising 91 points92 points93 points 14 years ago (89 children) | Copy Link
It should also read; "Having a kid out-of-wedlock and signing up for Goverment benefits is not a financial plan."
[–]nycjohndoe 11 points12 points13 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
While I understand your sentiment that since "gov benefits exists I'll get knocked up and someone else will support us" is morally wrong, social support institutions (gov benefits) exist for a good reason. The implementation needs work to be less sexist, but maximizing the available resources requires planning and is the duty of the person to themselves and their kid, if they find themselves in that situation, male or female.
[–]neilmcc 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The welfare state has been a massive failure. It doesn't need to be a little "less sexist." It needs to be gone. The greatness of a free society is that people are free to make moral choices to help the poor. The state inevitably corrupts. Trying to fix the system will never work because it is corrupt at it's core.
[–]nycjohndoe 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'd disagree on your premises a) greatness requiring free people to make moral choices and b)that the system will never work because the system is corrupt at its core.
there are tyrannies of the minority and majority. pure democracies become one type. it is not the system that is inherently fallible but each component of the system, its people.
even given that all systems decay into entropy, the human condition allows for improvements to be made and in effect renewing as opposed to maintaining. This whole movement should be about improvement. The combined effect of each improvement adds up to radical change.
[–]neilmcc 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
its people.
The founders understood the nature of people. It was to be a nation of laws, not men, because they knew men were not angels.
What do you think feminism is? It's the selfish instincts of women and the white-knight instincts of men acting through the unrestrained state resulting in the system we have today.
Only government which is restrained prevents people's worse natures working through the violent apparatus of the state, resulting in destruction and inequality. You can not make unrestrained government better- if you'd pick up a history book you'd see again and again that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
[–]nycjohndoe 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
if you'd pick up a history book you'd see again and again that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
history shows that of the men who framed the federal constitution and those in the the state houses which later ratified it, have multiple 'understandings of the nature of people'. the framers and founding peoples of the US were not some monolithic block. They were composed of various groups primarily concerned with maintaining their own local power through throwing off the yoke of foreign rule. It should be plainly apparent to any student of history in the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy inherent in our founding declaration.
regardless of individual agendas, the genius of the system compromised and agreed upon is in its malleability and its recognition that mankind changes and the gov't must be adaptable through due process to reflect the current environment.
again i challenge your belief that the state is unrestrained. what is the MR movement if not a civil restraint on the state?
what do you think the MR movement is? is it the selfish instincts of men seeking to destroy the current social support system or is it a rational group of people who recognize injustice that can work toward direct effective and efficient solutions rather than spouting irrelevant appeals to authority or banal quotes?
[–]neilmcc 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oncerned with maintaining their own local power
Sort of plays into my point, no? However flawed the men were, the underlying reasoning of a restrained state was right. How you suppose the men of this age, who are leagues below the founding fathers in character and intellect, are going to fix this broken system?
How is welfare good in any way for men or women? It has destroyed the social fabric (the family) in this country.
In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925," "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents." Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what's the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery — a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.
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Liberals have no place in the MRM. Welfare programs are the single most racist and destructive policies ever enacted since slavery. Similar trends can be seen among poorer white families of all races- Sweden, the mother of all welfare states, has illegitimacy rates comparable to blacks in this country. No MRM in their right mind would believe in preserving this system.
[–]bucketh3ad 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The intention's good, but the implementation has been an expensive, exploited failure.
There is a way to take care of those who are struggling in our society without giving an incentive to women to get pregnant for financial gain.
[–]nycjohndoe 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
are you really willing to say that government social services make having a kid a positive net present value (vs. not having a kid)? if so I'd love to see you prove it.
if you are stating that current divorce law penalizes men, then I agree.
[–]bucketh3ad 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you really resorting to a straw man argument? If so, it's pretty obvious why its so easy to dismiss.
Here's what I mean: child support can be and is exploited by some women for financial gain at the expense of wealthy fathers, and it is enforced by the state. That whole system is broken, bottom to top, even when it "works."
[–]nycjohndoe 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
strawman? Your statement was as follows
you mention financial gain. I do have a problem with that and my point referring to that is valid.
child support can be and is exploited by some women for financial gain at the expense of wealthy fathers, and it is enforced by the state. That whole system is broken, bottom to top, even when it "works."
In restating your point you choose one aspect of divorce law exploited by a subset of parents and conclude that the whole system is broken. that generalization is flawed. The specific subset of exploiters can and should be eliminated by enacting smarter policies. which, atleast according to this sub-reddit, is beginning to happen thanks to a vocal/tech savvy subset of the MR movement and some clear thinking legislators, politicians and family courts.
[+]Gavmeister123 -56 points-55 points-54 points 14 years ago* (78 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, because people plan for that. Honestly, I have no patience for arguments that pin blame on those who have children unintentionally. I know MR has a strange obsession with the idea of the greedy bitch who uses her uterus as a paycheck. But the truth of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of women who have children out of "wedlock" are young, non-white, lower class girls who suffer from the lack of birth control/basic sexual education in this country. and before you bombard this page with 'evidence' cited from the guardian, ultra-anti-feminist bloggers and aol news, just understand that you're a fucking idiot.
Edit: No please no more downvotes guys you're hurting my feelings!
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I have no patience for arguments that pin blame on those who have children unintentionally.
The MRM takes issue with the possibility of women maliciously monetizing child support laws in her favor, and indeed the entire child support system in general, but certainly not accidental children. I'm pretty sure most MRAs don't say "oh, out-of-wedlock birth? Must be some bitch making a man an ATM." It's probably more along the lines of "oh, out-of-wedlock birth? That's unfortunate. Here's some resources, and while we're on the subject... [cue discussions/debates over child support laws/family court]"
[–]bigbadbyte 11 points12 points13 points 14 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Wait, when did the guardian become a not legit news source?
[+]Gavmeister123 -8 points-7 points-6 points 14 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
when has any mainstream news source been legit?
[–]bigbadbyte 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
So, what news source would be "legit" to you?
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Onion.com
[–]Gavmeister123 -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
democracy now! is a good place to start
[–]Alanna 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh, yeah, no agenda there. /s
[–]Gavmeister123 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hahaha
[+]Gavmeister123 -14 points-13 points-12 points 14 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
anything that isn't interested in making money, do you trust the people who sell you things?
[–]7oby 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Wow, this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I also don't trust mechanics because they charge me money to fix my car. I can rebuild a carburetor myself!
I don't have an issue with journalists needing money to afford to live.
[–]ssjaken 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The huffington post doesn't pay its journalists.
[–]7oby 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but it has ads all over, so someone's making money
also it's owned by AOL
[–]YHWH_The_Lord 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so huffpost is slave labor... good to know.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's not the same thing and you know it.
Damn I can't believe this was upvoted.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's very much the same thing. Unless I'm misunderstanding what's going on, the claim is that the conflict of interest between good journalism and making money is at odds. While that's true, it's also true for auto mechanics. Just because there is a conflict of interest doesn't mean it will necessarily corrupt the process.
[–]Gavmeister123 -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
conflict of interest don't corrupt things? I thought the stigma was that mechanics always lie to you and overcharge you
[–]Gavmeister123 -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That last part is an excellent straw man, because I'm obviously completely AGAINST journalists needing money to afford to live.
[–]7oby 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well you have a bit of a catch 22. Journalists need money to live. But, if they accept money for their journalism, that means that they are also interested in selling you things, and therefore must be lying in order to move product, and that therefore they aren't journalists but advertisers. In the end, journalists cannot be paid and remain journalists.
If you'd like to show a journalist that is paid but isn't "the people who sell you things", I'd be interested.
[–]Gavmeister123 -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nomchom is also a champ
[–]Gavmeister123 -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Democracy now! Counterpunch Some Bloggers. I was really only referring to anything like a mainstream newspaper or a TV station.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Just so you know, you're not at -30 because of this:
the truth of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of women who have children out of "wedlock" are young, non-white, lower class girls who suffer from the lack of birth control/basic sexual education in this country.
It's all the other crap you're spewing. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you call them an idiot and come into a discussion with your claws out. You can be totally right, but it's not going to be heard.
non-white, lower class girls
Look at rates of illegitimate births before the welfare state for blacks- it was a few points lower than whites. Only since the welfare state have the poorer fathers become disposable and the rates of illegitimacy exploded.
Yes- the liberal nanny state is the most racist institution to exist- something that broke down the black family to an even greater extent than slavery.
[–]Gavmeister123 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm just really high and I got tired of typing. I'm glad you appreciate that part of my argument.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'm just really high and I got tired of typing.
I'm pretty sure that's what the cancel button is for.
[–]Gavmeister123 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
hah yeah I know but I actually wanted to say the other part
[–]Lucaribro -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And now everyone knows what a tard you are. Well done.
[–]Gavmeister123 -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
because I'm high? marijuana is bad!? PLEAASE ENLIGHTEN ME
[–]Lucaribro 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Because any stoner that's worth a shit knows how to maintain without sounding like, well, like a fucking stoner. There is a reason why pot smokers hate "stoners." Because dipshits like you run around on every forum and online game going "duuuuude, I'm so hiiiigh" and make normal pot smokers look bad.
Great, you're high and have no filter between your brain and jizz trap. Come back when you're sober so you can fully grasp what an ass you are.
[–]soundsofsilver -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha what the fuck? I don't see anything offensive or ass-like or tard-like or whatever you guys are saying about Gavmeister's op. Is /r/mr the uptight center of Reddit or something? Time to get SERIOUS ABOUT OUR EVERY WORDS GUYS!!!!!
[–]Gavmeister123 -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you. I'm not a stoner, I was just anticipating some huge anti-weed rant so I wanted to fuck with you. but as for "duuuude I'm so hiiiigh" I don't really know what you're talking about. I mentioned it once. Actually, I'm not even stoned right now I'm on painkillers. But thanks for defending the integrity of pot smokers everywhere, we thank you haha
edit: lol@the fact that you called me a "tard"
Planned Parenthood (or other options available in just about EVERY city nation wide), condoms, pills, plan b and even abortion.
Adoption agencies.
Get with the program, bub. There are TONS of choices and if it's a choice between living in poverty and living on the dole or giving your baby to someone who can financially take care of the child, your ignorance shouldn't be so large to think putting a burden on "the rest of us". Get over yourself.
The child's natural birth mother is often times NOT the ideal choice to raise said child.
[–]DuchessofYanks 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
While someone may have an unintended pregnancy, they have 100% choice on how they deal with it.
[–]7oby -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Not if they're too young to get an abortion without parental consent.
[–]DuchessofYanks 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Still have the choice whether to keep the baby or not.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Abortion is not the only option.
[–]futbolsven 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In the case of abortion, if consent is needed from the parents, a judicial bypass always needs to be made available. (unless my memory is failing me)
[+]Gavmeister123 -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, just "deal with" being a single parent without an education or access to legitimate sources of income, hokay
[–]DuchessofYanks 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Yea I guess adoption and dropping the baby anonymously at the hospital aren't options available to women. My bad.
[–]soundsofsilver 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jesus what the fuck? Is it that much of a burden of society to let a woman take care of her fucking offspring that she carried in her body for 9 months and shares her genes? I mean, this is somebody's life we're talking about, not statistic or a figure or make believe. Most people in this situation probably have fucked up enough lives without having to deal with being pregnant and winding up without a child. I mean, sure, it is a good idea, and we should advocate that women do it if they are in such a financial situation, but it is much easier said than done.
[–]Gavmeister123 -5 points-4 points-3 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The first one doesn't always work and the second one....that's just fucked up...
[–]DuchessofYanks 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
How does it not work? And regardless of how you feel about it morally, it's still an option. Some think that abortion is fucked up and many don't.
[+]Gavmeister123 -7 points-6 points-5 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Adoptions involve people adopting babies, what if there are no people adopting babies, then there are no babies being adopted omglawl
It's ridiculous that you're actually arguing for women to leave their babies abandoned at hospitals lol
[–]DuchessofYanks 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't matter if people are adopting babies or not, I'm talking about giving up a child smart one, not adopting one. Women do this whether I argue for them or not, and it's their decision to do so if they choose.
I don't know how old you are but you're doing a really poor job of convincing me that you even have a legitimate argument with your use of words that resemble that of a 12 year old girl.
[–]kragmoor 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i just read up on the slaughter incident because i am living under a rock, she is really reminding me of jessi
[–]Gavmeister123 -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
hah it was sarcasm man I was making fun of you. But damn, I guess I'm just too high for this shit. You do have a point with your argument though, I just don't see why it has to come to abandoning babies when one could just as easily propose more sex education and birth control. But what does a 12 year old girl kno abt shit lyke ths lawlz
[–]dravik 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I had two of those girls in a class with me in high school. They held deep discussions over the number of kids and the spacing between them that would maximize benefits. That was their life plan. They both dropped out of school the next year.
[–]lemhi_divide 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a function of poverty (or what passes for poverty in the US), not of gender specifically.
I know married couples who do the same.
I agree that I don't think most women have babies as paychecks, but 40% of kids these days are being born to unmarried moms, 60% for moms under 30. They can't all be "non-white, lower class girls suffering from lack of birth control/basic sex ed."
The Guardian is actually fairly liberal, and usually fairly feminist. Perhaps you meant The Daily Mail?
[–]MRMRising 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...And another bigot who thinks she is a victim, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
[–]overcontrol 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, because people plan for that.
Actually, they don't even need to plan for it really. They can wing it. That's the sad part.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
google "single mother by choice"....then have a big cup of STFU
[–]Gavmeister123 -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Damn, you totally got me. Upper and Middle class women choosing to adopt children (which costs a bunch of money, btw) are all doing it to get a paycheck from the gov't. Thanks for opening my eyes!
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You sure can see only what you want to...
A fucking jackhammer couldn't open YOUR eyes.
Haha stop feeding me bro
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I know MR has a strange obsession with the idea of the greedy bitch who uses her uterus as a paycheck. But the truth of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of women who have children out of "wedlock" are young, non-white, lower class girls who suffer from the lack of birth control/basic sexual education in this country. and before you bombard this page with 'evidence' cited from the guardian, ultra-anti-feminist bloggers and aol news, just understand that you're a fucking idiot.
I'm not an MRA, and I'm sorry you got downvoted, but this comes off as a a strawman, so that might be why.
[–]Gavmeister123 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
the edit was a joke
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No it wasn't. I call things online a joke when I'm embarrased by them too.
[–]Gavmeister123 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha "please no more downvotes guys your hurting my feelings"? You think that was real? You might as well be an MRA because you're just as stupid. Why wouldn't I just edit again and delete something or just delete the post?
But please don't be mean when you respond to this you'll make me feel bad!
Ok
[–]Ennuiandthensome 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Doctor doctor! It hurts when I do this!"
"Then don't do it."
[–]zaferk 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
YOU IGNORANT PRIVILEGED CIS MALE, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE EDUCATED TO LOGICALLY CONNECT THOSE TWO THINGS!!!!
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Wait, why didn't you just get an abortion?
[+]Gavmeister123 -9 points-8 points-7 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm kidding, you guys are right. You're really smart and know everything and can judge everybody's situation's perfectly thank you.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It was just a question.
[–]Gavmeister123 -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yeah i just clicked on the reply button for your comment in addressing all the other butthurt on here. Yours is actually legit. And yeah, an abortion is definitely the route I'm for, but access to affordable birth control and sex education is the smarter route overall. preventing vs. correcting an issue
Oh, absolutely, I was just asking about your individual case :)
Schools really need real sex ed classes instead of abstinence only. Really sad that people still teach abstinence only in 2012.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
See, I feel the same way about this presentation that you guys do about those stupid anti-rape campaigns saying "only you can stop rape".
I would never rely on a guy for money and none of my girlfriends would either. There is a very small subset of women who would do this and I don't fucking appreciate being lumped in with them.
[–]wavegeek 20 points21 points22 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
My daughter went to an expensive private school. A lot of the girls would not study and do homework. One day a teacher asked one of them "How are you going to be successful in life if you don't study and get a good job?" The girl's reply was "I'm going to marry a rich guy and enjoy myself like my mother."
According to my daughter about 1/3 of the girls in the class nodded approvingly.
Gold digging is not as rare as you would like to think.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Keep in mind that she went to an expensive private school, so the likelyhood of meeting someone like that is much, much greater than in a middle class family. Or maybe even poor families.
Seriously, I can count on one hand the women I know who would even entertain a thought like that.
[–]Revoran 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is really an argument between two people who only have anecdotal evidence.
We have no way of knowing for sure what percentage of women are "gold diggers". In that case, best to give women the benefit of the doubt, I would think.
Well, I'm a woman so it's a little more than anecdotal.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I went to a pretty large public college and it was largely the same way. About half of girls I knew dropped out when they got engaged, even if their grades were good. Granted, I was greek and so were all of my friends, so it might have just been a sorority thing.
[–]trentshipp 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well duh, they already got their MRS degree!
Maybe. I'm from a very blue collar working background and most of my friends that went to college paid for it themselves, making it unlikely they're going to quit because they found a rich dude.
[–]cold08 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is a big difference between "only you can stop rape" and "if a girl is too drunk to take her pants off and you have sex with her, you just raped her." The first tells me that I am a rapist which is offensive because I am not a rapist and I resent the fact that the campaign assumes I am. Even though I would never have sex with someone who was passed out, I am glad that colleges say things like that at orientations. I'm not lumped in with the rapists and some people need to hear that.
In the same way, "A Man is NOT a Financial Plan" is very different than "Women should learn to manage their own money."
[–]CoolLordL21 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You want to know what's worse than being lumped in with people that aren't financially independent? Being lumped in with rapists.
It's not just women who aren't financially independent. It's women who are actively trying to find a man to use for money.
[–]typhonblue 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thats not exactly the reason why people hate 'men can stop rape campaigns.'
They hate them because they ignore female rapists and their victims. And put responsibility for a human problem on men.
Really? I find it a lot more offensive that they think men need to be reminded to not rape the same way we remind someone to empty the dishwasher.
But okay. That's why I hate them.
[–]cold08 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no, they are offensive because they assume all men are potential rapists
[–]zodar 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wonder how many thought, "well, it depends on how pretty you are."
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"being an ugly woman is kind of like being a man- you're gonna have to work"
-Daniel Tosh
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Down with MRS degrees!!! (I'm a woman... my fellow woman AND men used to make fun of our friends ((or usually friends of friends)) who chose to go to the local Christian college because really, that's all it was: for MRS degrees. Or also to get "a ring before spring!" Ugh, disgusting. Be your own fucking person!)
[–]SmartAssX 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we get a copy?
[–]Trotrot 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good, I guess?
[–]kearvelli 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is fucking cool.
[–]mynameishutch 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That projector is very poorly scoped.
[–]Liverotto 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Translation: Robbing a man is not enough you must diversify your investments.
[–]statusone 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess it depends the way you look at it. Was she offensive in her tone or style of presentation? Did she spit out coy sexist remarks? Or was she just trying to raise female awareness to money management?
[–]pcarvious 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did the content match the perceived title?
[–]NewAlt 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I support this. It's ridiculous that it needs to be said but it's sound advice. What's the men's rights aspect that I'm missing?
[–]otakuman 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's ridiculous that it needs to be said but it's sound advice.
As ridiculous as having to have a "Reason Rally" in the U.S. To put it Tim Minchin's words, "A rally for the fucking obvious".
In any case, this is good.
[–]altmehere -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What's the men's rights aspect that I'm missing?
Objectification of men as walking wallets.
[–]lemhi_divide 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Isn't that what this is fighting?
[–]altmehere 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never said it wasn't, simply that it is related to that aspect of men's rights.
I would also contend that it's worth posting because it's worth celebrating that such issues are getting attention, regardless of whether the MRM was involved. I don't think there needs to be an additional men's rights aspect.
[–]otter111a 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
can we get the rest of those slides?
[–]Mantonization 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a little insulting how not fucking over your partner is dressed up as 'empowering'.
Other than that, yeah, this is nice
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think this is awesome! What is also awesome is that, besides the guys looking for a housewife (I'm from the South, it's still very common. Girls getting their degrees then just marrying a man and keeping the house. Which is TOTALLY fine, if that is what they both wish) typically women that I see at college are not like this at all! I know it is a stereotype, but one that I hope (just from what I have seen, AKA no research) is fading since the female dependency on males for money is also decreasing.
[–]Dark_Moose 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think my brain broke when it saw that.
[–]betaprime 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
For every one of these, there's this.
[–]LtCthulhu 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Its satire.
[–]betaprime 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Source?
Or at least I hope it is. Because the author wrote another book called "how to keep your baby mamma from getting all your cash", or something along those lines. Its the make equivalent. I detect some kind of shenanigan going on.
[–]MrJAPoe 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I find the failure to see the distinction between equality and female supremacy appalling
Indeed
[–]robak69 -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As a man I think being the provider is great. It boosts my self confidence. I think women should feel OK with this depending on how well they know the man and if they've had their own discussions about the relationship.
[–]HairyMerkin -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nice try, woman posing as man.
I was the sole provider for a while in my relationship (just due to circumstances) and I have to agree, it felt pretty empowering knowing that I could take care of both myself and my spouse. Granted, she was constantly looking for a job and now that she has one and I'm on summer break she's the sole bread winner now. I guess it's really situational in terms of what causes people to feel certain ways about the situation.
[–]DroppaMaPants -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looks like it said it was done by the SRS Senior Manager.
[–]LeSpatula -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Does this say "SRS Senior Seminar"?
[–]TotesAndi -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are some girls in my Child Development class that need to see this.
[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
SO BRAVE.
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well it's true, WTF is wrong with this. Many women expect a man to provide for them. Stop being a victim about FUCKING EVERYTHING AND USE YOUR BRAIN!
Hey...hey, fuck you.
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