Seriously, help not insults.

egalitarianmod · 2022-11-23T00:22:57+00:00

If you see actual woman bashing, please report it. We can't read every comment.

EmirikolWoker · 2022-11-22T21:47:38+00:00

Can you link to examples of what you're talking about? It would be useful to see what you're talking about.

63daddy · 2022-11-22T23:14:34+00:00

I see some inappropriate female bashing but it’s nothing compared to the male bashing I see in other subs.

What I also find is that due criticism of feminism is often viewed by some as woman bashing when of course it’s not.

coffeeinvenice · 2022-11-22T22:07:47+00:00

I've been on this sub for a while and I see a lot of woman-bashing or what could be considered woman-bashing

Can you provide some specific examples? I am not doubting your assertion, I would just like to get more details.

TiredGothGirl · 2022-11-22T22:17:25+00:00

Agreed, with most of this. I havent seen much bashing going on, though. I'm a middle-aged woman. I come from a strictly matriarchal clan. Most of the women in my family pretty much require a subservient SO. Those women treat their men like shit, then they wonder why most of them can't keep a man (They always blame the man). I grew up watching my father and other males in the family get treated with a complete lack of respect, including severe verbal abuse.

I swore to myself when I was a small child that I'd never do that to any SO of mine in the future. I haven't, either. I was with my late husband for 25 years when he passed. Most of the time, I treated him with nothing but love and respect (I'm human, so I did have fuck ups, at times, but quickly apologized and resolved the issues).

My mom, sister, many aunts and many cousins have between 2 - 9 divorces. I was one of the very few that had only one marriage that had been long-term, stable and happy. I've recently remarried. My current husband believes in an equal partnership, even moreso than my late husband.

When we work TOGETHER, respect each other, value each other's opinions (even if we dont necessarily agree) and talk things through, we can accomplish so much! Men aren't better than women and women aren't better than men. We are human and fallible and need to cooperate with each other to get shit done.

I wish everyone was like that, but it simply isn't a reality. We all need to do better, BE better. Yes, it is unfortunately a matter of much easier said than done. We can't fix society and stereotypes. We CAN fix ourselves. If we better ourselves and treat others with respect, maybe one day it will change society and stereotypes and make things better.

Hey, a girl can dream, right? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edit: At least not much bashing in THIS particular sub. We all know the reality of it elsewhere.

ConsiderationSea1347 · 2022-11-23T01:09:50+00:00

I don’t mean to defend the negativity but I think a lot of it comes from frustration with the double standard when it comes to the universal condemnation of misogyny and general acceptance and even support for misandry on social media. We should do our best to stay focused on how to help each other though and sometimes that comes in the form of politely telling one another that we said something that isn’t appropriate.

AlienAmerican1 · 2022-11-22T22:53:56+00:00

What are you talking about?

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-11-22T23:17:01+00:00

All criticism of this sort NEEDS to come with examples, otherwise is completly pointless and worthless.
You saying that you see ''women bashing'' things here means nothing to us because that can mean anything and is always blown out of proportion, is meaningless.

We need actual real concrete examples of what you mean by that otherwise not worth even engaging with this and you will be downvoted to hell.

lordluke10 · 2022-11-22T22:02:57+00:00

What woman bashing? The only bashing i have seen, has been of people coming to this sub in bad faith and getting rightfully slammed for it.

Bobocuk123 · 2022-11-23T14:54:29+00:00

I use this subreddit to get news and information about Anti-Feminist news showing what they do wrong. The same can be said about feminist groups, because feminists DIRECTLY affect the news that are seen on Television thus making it affect more people in the long run.

There was a pshcological theory or law that said when the news shows something uncommon or rare too much people will precieve that thing as common, and when something common is not represented enough it is seen as rare and non-existent.

This is why I use here to see the other side of the story. Non or anti feminist side of things so I can get both point of views, both arguements, both sides, etc. You get the point

So, no. I don't think saying harsh things in this subreddit is bad because other feminist subreddits already hate on this place a lot and attack here a lot already.

And yes, I do think we should not be insulting and pushing back the other side just because they think otherwise.

As a Muslim (This is a story, not as a religious thing) there is a thing called Zekat (Turkish, not Arabic, don't know the arabic name) which is a kind of donation made to the poor by the rich. But only Muslims are to recieve this.

The Zekat used to be also given to non-Muslim people during the times Muslim people were low so that other people would see that there is collaboration and good things in Islam too. This made more people convert to Islam.

This is what we should do, help eachother, support both them and us equally but fight for the right thing no matter what, showing what we actually strive for: True Equality and a better future.

4chams · 2022-11-23T15:10:46+00:00

Proof or you are talking out ur ass

ostangestar · 2022-11-23T00:21:54+00:00

I haven’t seen posts bashing women in general. Just bashing specific women

ZekalMacabre · 2022-11-23T00:42:32+00:00

Feminist bashing is not woman bashing. Women are great, feminists are cancer.

There is a LOT of disaffected people here and many of them are here because of women. You don't get to tone police others.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

While I get your intentions are good, your post was not.

Simply put, don't tell others what they should or shouldn't do.

HannibalsProtege · 2022-11-23T01:25:01+00:00

You need proof before you come out with an accusation like that.

The part where you forgot to include are subs like r/bluepill r/TwoXChromosomes r/WitchesVsPatriarchy and the now defunct FDS; which routinely bash subs similar to this on a regular basis. Just for holding them accountable for their backwards ass positions which they cannot right defend.

I commend the moderators here, who delete woman bashing comments, the infiltrating trolls, and give space to women here who poignantly engage in civil debate and seek to learn, not persecute. You don't get that from the aforementioned subs who will indiscriminately ban you from merely being in this or any sub like it or commenting in male oriented subs.

I will agree with you that we do need to lift each other up, and stop picking at our seams. The definition of toxic masculinity to me is reinforcing negative stereotypes to further ones goal, like snake oil salesmen who hawk their E-books on how to be a man, while pushing down other men. Those fucking ****** dick pricks can eat my ass real good!! There's more to being a man than, just lift weights, eat protein, stop masturbating, no porn, go buy land, learn game, level up etc etc.

What they should do is mentor, and listen without judgement; something a lot of them could learn to do. Their half-assed, low hanging fruit generalizations is not a reality check, but the epitome of stepping on your friend to impress a girl. Please don't come with that same mindset for future reference OP ✌️.

KDulius · 2022-11-22T23:14:09+00:00

[Citations needed]

Visibbleman · 2022-11-22T22:09:52+00:00

And no receipts of course. What a joke

omino23 · 2022-11-22T23:49:14+00:00

Your claim of "woman bashing" is laughable without some examples. I have a feeling you think that criticism is "bashing" when it is directed at women. Women are our equals, they can be criticized and it isn't "abuse" or "bashing" or "violence". Stop that BS mentality.

I am more curious about your claim "they are also really good at helping each other out." I would love to see an example of women actually helping each other here on reddit. Got any examples to back that one up?

MiddleReasonable647 · 2022-11-22T22:32:03+00:00

If women are being “bashed”, it’s based on their feminist hatred of men. I have never seen blanket bashing of women for being women.

AdviceYouNeed4Real · 2022-11-23T14:39:00+00:00

At some point you have to stop compromising and just railroad some people.

sabazurc · 2022-11-23T18:42:16+00:00

I would be happy if that was so easy and that was what feminists felt as well but that's not the case. Source of hatred or bad relationship is not men's rights activists but them.
I have been on some of their subreddits as well and they will ban you if you criticize them.
They do support each other sometimes but that does not mean much from my perspective. Reason is that even Nazi Germany Nazis might have treated most of the other Germans well(as long as they agreed with their views) but that did not mean their ideology was not horrible.

All I have seen from feminists since I had internet is them bashing and attacking men's rights movements, trying to suppress them as much as they can...for decades. MGTOW ban on reddit for example is a good example of that. Oldest example I can remember would be Erin Pizzey.

Punder_man · 2022-11-22T21:46:09+00:00

And then everybody clapped and we all sat around the campfire singing kumbaya...
Yet another feminist concern troll..

Move along everyone..

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-11-23T00:25:56+00:00

Check out diabla, 4thwave, FDS and Twox.

el_jefe1978 · 2022-11-23T01:21:10+00:00

If I had any awards, I would have given them to this post. This is ridiculously important for the movement to grow.

A_British_Villain · 2022-11-22T21:56:52+00:00

I agree with the idea that men should be building each other up, men spend too much time tearing each other down which is the type of childish behaviour I would normally expect to see from females.

OP has a touch of the white knight going on, trying to defend feminism while not being a woman seems a little odd.

Woozuki · 2022-11-23T03:46:45+00:00

On the contrary, I'd be fine to continue the mOdErN wAhMeN-bashing and also lift up men.

We can chew gum and walk at the same time.

(MR Mods, before you get upset, I'm just pointing out that we should continue shaming malefactors against men who happen to be of the female variety, not the entire gender, obviously. Reddit site mods - go whack off and play some more vidya).

RabidusRex · 2022-11-23T08:22:09+00:00

I'm sure 95% of the guys on here would agree with you. The other 5% are being used as bait with their sexist and hateful comments to make this sub out to be a nest of extremism... which it clearly IT NOT.

I'm also sure most o' ya'll dudes would agree that the female-centric subs on reddit (and reddit at large) are filled with mod-approved, media-celebrated male bashing, and we're tired of the double standard.

It is what it is.

el_jefe1978 · 2022-11-22T23:05:11+00:00

In under an hour, I've received various comments some good, some less good. I apologize for not providing proof, but it's all good. I get that most of what I spoke on is a reaction to their reactions, my only point is focus on uplifting us. If you're just venting, then vent, no problems there. How does this make me a beta male simp, though?

2022-11-23T01:20:31+00:00

This is so important, especially when MRA are portrayed as misogynistic groups. Such comments act as a barrier to get more people into the MRA movement

FrancisCastiglione28 · 2022-11-23T18:29:20+00:00

You’re right, it doesn’t progress things. But it’s really just a response to the constant man-bashing that is so frequent these days. Men are valued less than ever, throughout all of history. Maybe young men wouldn’t have so much disdain toward women if they weren’t being treated like garbage.

Fresh-Loop · 2022-11-23T03:18:36+00:00

Your specific examples aren’t misogynistic.

They may be highly opinionated, but they aren’t anti woman.

SamaelET · 2022-11-22T23:39:07+00:00

Are you talking about feminist bashing ? That is not women bashing.

Are you talking about the bashing of specific female individual for their actions/speech ? That is not women bashing.

I saw real woman bashing, but those comments usually get downvoted or ignored. But I agree they don't have their place in this sub.

Edit : I do agree very much with the uplifting part. Men need to stick together and play for the team. I have been saying this for ages. Only by being selfish and tribal can men survive in modern society.

ThinkingIsAnIllness · 2022-11-23T11:54:36+00:00

Posted it something similar on the feminist subreddit...

Got down voted and insulted :)

chankletavoladora · 2022-11-23T16:28:46+00:00

100% OP is a woman that considers criticism woman bashing. Never seen here anything remotely close to the men bashing that occurs regularly elsewhere.

user9347556765455678 · 2022-11-22T22:50:47+00:00

Omg i hate this sub some times. What OP is talking about is the only reason I stick around. There are cases where people are awesome and uplifting and I'm proud to be a part. There are times like this particular post where people are seeming to look for a fight.

I'm not the most macho man. I have a harder time fitting into men's spaces than women's irl. I was just downvoted to oblivion the other day for voicing that some men do only talk about sportball and guns. I worked with them for 5 years. But whatever, downvote me again, I'm some kind of troll i guess.

tabris51 · 2022-11-23T06:48:52+00:00

Yep, i had seen stuff like that on “IncelsWithoutHate” sub too. To the point of body shaming women. When I pointed out they are doing the same thing they hate being the target of, id be given a lecture about how it is okay for them because they are oppressed haha, complete 180.

There will be bitter people on mans rights and feminism subs. It is up to mods to clean those out. It doesn’t help that they get upvotes tho

MRAModsAreMisandrist · 2022-11-23T09:36:49+00:00

Saying the truth about women isn’t bashing. It’s on women to improve

MiddleReasonable647 · 2022-11-22T23:09:43+00:00

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EvidencePlz · 2022-11-23T01:26:54+00:00

There's literally zero woman-bashing going on in this sub. You don't even know what it means or what real woman-bashing looks like., or you are just pretending not to know. Constructive opinions, and opinions based on historical, scientific and statistical data is not woman-bashing.

I see posts like yours from time to time on here and let me just remind you: we aren't stupid and we are very familiar with the deceptive, manipulative and gaslighting tactics used by the likes of you. Suffice it to say you need to up your game a few notches as very few people here will fall for your tricks.

SadGruffman · 2022-11-23T01:40:30+00:00

Hi.

Been here awhile. I have the same complaint.

To those who keep posting “link to proof” can you just take a step back and understand you are literally part of the problem, not believing a man pointing out an issue without proof in his own goddamn community?

Magical-Hummus · 2022-11-23T08:48:50+00:00

I agree on that.

TheDroopiestOfDawgs · 2022-11-23T08:59:23+00:00

I think if all the comments you're talking about are getting deleted or removed that kinda aligns with this being a fair sub not promoting women hating, there's always going to be extreme people, the difference to this sub then say r/feminism is that blatant sexism isn't accepted

Snivelingincel · 2022-11-23T10:45:58+00:00

I think we should do both

AManWithBinoculars · 2022-11-23T11:11:56+00:00

How many of you have been banned in feminist Reddit. Yet the op is here complaining that posts are not getting deleted fast enough

IronJohnMRA · 2022-11-23T12:58:18+00:00

How on earth did this post get so many upvotes, and reddit awards? Must have been brigaded.

kiadragon · 2022-11-23T13:30:57+00:00

Love the gatekeeping.

There is very little actual woman bashing here.
You might be reading what our interpretations of female nature are and take them as bashing. (Which makes your comment a bit sock puppet sus. But lets not be paranoid.)
A lot of feminists take our pointing out certain facts (men self delete more, are homeless more, etc) and reinterprete that as 'bashing'. Which adds to the sus.
Everyone needs to vent from time to time, which is also interpreted by feminists (looking hard at OP) as bashing.

I suggest you take your gatekeeping demands and put them someplace precious. Then don't take them out again and wave them around the room like an unwanted penis at church bingo night. Earn some stripes for the cause before you think you get to give orders to the group.

wolfcola2000 · 2022-11-23T14:01:33+00:00

Well part of “MensRights” is taking up for the fellow man because of the Uber hypocrisy that feminists have towards men. The other thing that you don’t mention is that there is never an “all women” comment. Meaning there’s no sweeping generalization of all women doing a certain thing. Unlike the women who continue to bash “ALL” men. You are naive to think there will ever be a common ground between 2 sexes.

bezm12 · 2022-11-23T01:17:41+00:00

Why don't you go post some bullshit on the feminists pages and leave us alone. This is our place to express what we want.

2022-11-23T01:18:47+00:00

YESS THIS!!!

coffeeinvenice · 2022-11-22T21:48:08+00:00

Agreed.

KnackwurstNightmare · 2022-11-23T00:12:13+00:00

Pics or it didn't happen...

MxNimbus433 · 2022-11-23T03:37:58+00:00

My big pet peev with this sub is you get downvoted to shit for suggesting anything at all might be worse for women, it's basically how feminists react when you suggest anything might be worse for men. Women's rights and men's rights are both 2 sides of the same coin, both being oppressed by gender roles, now if they could just realize it and stop bickering...

AppropriateStop3311 · 2022-11-22T22:38:33+00:00

A wild beta orbiter appears!

Nerdy_Girl444 · 2022-11-23T08:36:22+00:00

I've seen bashing feminists, not women who are innocent. I understand if you remained with such impression. It's easy to misunderstand. I cannot help myself as a female, but to roast feminists for the evils they do to men and society.

Greg_W_Allan · 2022-11-23T06:51:49+00:00

Nobody is compelling you to participate here.

AengusK · 2022-11-23T08:40:42+00:00

This sub has needed a post like this for a long time. I dunno if it will change anything, but it's nice to see you not get downvoted to hell

DebateUnique · 2022-11-23T06:48:42+00:00

Please, leave you tree hugger, you clearly don’t see what’s going on in todays society/politics. this subreddit is for you and your son (if you end up with a women ;))

Garfish16 · 2022-11-23T04:57:07+00:00

This comports with my experience. I used to be a feminist and I think in a lot of ways feminists and men's rights people are pretty good mirror of each other, even though both groups hate that comparison. The main difference is that within feminist communities there's more camaraderie and sisterhood than In MRA spaces.

IMO it's because so many people around here are right wing lunatics who think the free market and competition can solve all our problems. The free market isn't going to lower the incarceration rate, increase health and safety standards in the workplace, or make dating less of a shit show, but camaraderie and freturnity could.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2022-11-22T23:01:43+00:00

El Jefe. Take these light bulbs to the back and don't break them.

state-fursecutor · 2023-03-12T21:00:31+00:00

Nah. This is our space and we'll vent as much as we want. You can leave.

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2022-11-23T05:10:38+00:00

Let’s not have a double standard.

5shad · 2022-11-23T04:13:52+00:00

I don't hate women, I love women but I will not simp. These days men have become some sort of disposable item that you can just discard and replace. Women, social media and news tabloids, shit on men in the worse possible way and get away with it. Calling out women on their bs is not woman-bashing and an occasional 'dig' is not woman-bashing.

I don't like the way you use your words. So basically this sub are mostly woman-bashers and that makes dumb, weak and incompetent. The moment there's a push-back or some kind of retaliation, men get called all sorts of things and this is one those many examples.

O-Ceallaigh · 2022-11-23T14:26:41+00:00

Don't bother trying to talk to them. Almost every comment is just a dumbass carrying around a fuckton of anger.

"CARE TO SIGHT YOUR SOURCES?" (sights sources) "THATS ALL YOU GOT? PFFT THATS NOT ANTI WOMAN"

Most of them are just teenagers who'll grow out of it anyway, this isn't a sub for rational discussion, it started out that way but now it's just for women bashing disguised as "Feminist" bashing. It's gotten even more toxic than the feminist subreddits at this point smh

Title	Seriously, help not insults.
Author	el_jefe1978
Upvotes	400
Comments	298
Date	November 22, 2022 9:42 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/z2607c/seriously_help_not_insults/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/seriously-help-not-insults.1140543 https://theredarchive.com/post/1140543

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