There’s nothing misogynistic about men preferring a virgin women over a non-virgin.

San7igamer · 2022-08-25T20:37:57+00:00

I mean as a virgin I'd like to share this first time experience with someone who also makes her first experience.

Backyouropinion · 2022-08-25T21:54:38+00:00

Unlikely to find a virgin, but maybe someone who has only had sex in long-term relationships and considers it a special thing between two close people.

Proof in that many women keep the low down on the number of partners they’ve had because they feel it devalues them for SMV.

DraatBill · 2022-08-25T19:32:13+00:00

I hate it when people try to tell me what i have to prefer. They don't even know how ridiculous that sounds. If someone prefers a sexual partner that is a virgin, who am I to judge? People can prefer whatever they want. It's just a stupid double standard.

Futureman999 · 2022-08-25T23:50:21+00:00

After half a dozen or so boyfriends or randoms, they've done it all and seen it all and are bored AF with you and your stupid dick. Romantic love like in the movies is unlikely, but by their late twenties a lot of women find out they don't like working all the time and marriage is sure starting to sound good.

In our grandfathers' day few divorced women could expect to remarry, or else have to settle for a much older and/or much poorer second husband.

urto37372 · 2022-08-25T20:32:30+00:00

men have preferences. they can prefer any woman. they can even prefer submissive women. it's their choice. they didn't coerce any woman into the relationship.

women have preferences, too yet no man gives a damn.

McFeely_Smackup · 2022-08-25T19:22:21+00:00

as long as women use "virgin" or "incel" as an insult against men, I'll judge them for their squandered virginity.

Malkor · 2022-08-25T19:21:28+00:00

I'm of the belief that its not that important.

Like - if you're with someone who wasn't a virgin two years ago, what does it matter now?

But like you say - its your preference. And as such, you should be allowed to look for who you want.

It does seem fairly simple.

superstonkape · 2022-08-25T20:56:27+00:00

As long as they aren’t hypocrites l couldn’t care less

TekatoZikame2 · 2022-08-25T21:01:43+00:00

Bitter truth has always been hard to accept for modern liberal women.

They want to have their cake and eat it too but sudden realization that what they call "high value men" are not attracted by what they represent, they throw a tantrum.

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-08-25T19:52:54+00:00

I think the thing that needs to be tackled is that women have Madonna-Whore complexes too.

And so men's distaste in women who have a promiscuous past, or are very flippant about sex, derives from this.

That men don't believe a leopard changes its spots, and that a womans previous relationships with men isn't an indication of relationship red-flags, not just in regards to cheating, but novelty seeking and loss of interest in sex, and lack of empathy or connection with men when having sex.

And a woman who holds no value to sex isn't going to hold any value to a relationship.

But I think women know these things and don't want it discussed.

ABBucsfan · 2022-08-25T19:05:35+00:00

Whats mind-blowing is that you even have to explain why you prefer it. For thousands of years up until maybe the last 20 years no explanation needed of why you'd prefer a virgin or at least with very few partners.

NeighborhoodNo4660 · 2022-08-25T21:07:36+00:00

Not misogynistic, buy about as likely as some woman looking for a 6ft dude with 6 figures

Oz70NYC · 2022-08-25T22:35:51+00:00

The sole reason our preferences are shunned and we're attacked for them is 90% of women can't live up to the standard. It's totally different from there own. Our standards are realistic and grounded in reality and data. Theirs is based on fantasy and the lies feminism embedded in their heads.

As a black male, 42 years of age and 6'4" tall...I refuse to even consider taking a woman serious who is under 5'8" and OVER 180lbs...yet 65% of black women in America are clinically obese. This is tangible data compiled and collected by the CDC. Because of my preference, I tend to date more non-black women. But I'm vilified when I make my preference known to BW, despite weight being a COMPLETELY CONTROLLABLE ASPECT of one's life. Because by and large BW are lazy and set in their ways, not all...but the majority...most are not on my radar and it eats them alive, especially since I fall in the top 10% of desired BM (over 6 feet, high earning, educated with no children)

Women want us to accept them as they are, devoid of accountability and despite their histories of poor life choices. Fuck that.

63daddy · 2022-08-25T19:48:27+00:00

Misogyny is a form of hate. Appreciating or desiring a certain attribute in someone isn’t hateful.

Throwawaysei95 · 2022-08-25T19:33:55+00:00

Well, it certainly would be hypocritical for you to want a virgin if you aren’t one yourself

Dapper_Revolution_65 · 2022-08-25T19:52:38+00:00

When it comes to sexual experience for a woman less is more.

Less chance of STD.

Less chance of previous abortions.

Less chance of her being a single mother that uses you as an ATM machine.

Less chance of her having an ex come back into her life.

Less chance of her having been subject to abuse and suffering from that in some way.

Less expectations from you in bed. If her ex had 9 inches and got 6... Well yea, that's not fun.

Less "baggage" of all kinds.

Less chance of a divorce.

Less new things to explore with them.

Less risks in general.

Less chance of you being special to her.

Your significant other having more sexual partners never benefits you in any way, and it can only bite you in the ass.

Suppose you are the 63rd man she has been with. Is 63 her lucky number? Is she stopping on you? Not likely there will be 64... 65... 66... You are nothing special to her. You are just another link in a long chain.

Dahalokely · 2022-08-25T20:23:14+00:00

”I prefer chocolate ice cream over strawberry ice cream“

”What is wrong with you scumbag?? Explain yourself!!!“

DonegalProd · 2022-08-25T20:42:07+00:00

Modern feminism basically says women can do no wrong and men can do no right.

pappo4ever · 2022-08-25T21:23:24+00:00

Marriage to a virgin is way more likely to endure than non-virgin, lots of statistics support this fact. Unlike men, the more sexual partners a women have, the more detached she is from the relationship, and more likely to divorce. We can't blame men for wanting a stable relationship to create a family.

Many of my girlfriends had affairs with ex-boyfriends and that ended our relationship. Had I married a virgin this would not have happened.

White_Ranger33 · 2022-08-26T01:13:17+00:00

Streets these days are most certainly Haram.

ForgotOldAcc-_- · 2022-08-26T01:14:43+00:00

There is empirical evidence that the amount of sex partners in a womans past is directly related to the probability of her cheating while married.

So obviously it's not misogynistic. Its being rational (which is incel behavior according to Twitter)

Original-Ad6954 · 2022-08-25T21:43:56+00:00

It becomes a problem with age. If you are a teen, yeah, that’s acceptable, but if you are an adult, It depends on the age of the woman. Not to disappoint you mate, but women nowadays have sex, and it’s good and perfectly normal. If you are over 24,25 and search for a virgin woman, you might enter grooming territory because most virgin girls are… young girls. And this whole virgin thing man… sex is sex. I have been with my girl for 7 years, since we were teens, she’s so much fucking better in bed now it’s insane. It’s like sport, experience helps. Y’all should stop focusing on such little things, there is much more to a person.

fwoomer · 2022-08-25T19:48:02+00:00

I mean, what's the difference between, "I prefer a virgin woman," vs. "I prefer tall men?"

Except, of course, that little thing about how losing one's virginity is a choice they made, and how choices have consequences. One's height isn't exactly a height by choice.

So, there is that.

ABBucsfan · 2022-08-25T21:33:16+00:00

I think OP prob could have said virgin or low partner count. Not sure if OP was stuck on the 0 partners part hisnelf or if it's just a bunch of the posters here. Def some room between never been with a guy and loves hooking up at bars with random guys

2022-08-25T22:43:42+00:00

Feminism has taught not just feminist, but a ton of women, that anything, even a statement, that does not make them the main beneficiary or victim is wrong. I was talking with someone just yesterday about a study I came across, on ncbi mind you, that men tend to be more empathetic and helpful, she refused to accept this. I'm just like, God damn, is there literally anything men can be better at that will be acceptable to you other than lifting shit?

ChaosOpen · 2022-08-25T23:08:02+00:00

If you're a girl looking for a guy who makes over 100k a year, is over 6 feet tall, and has a 6 pack, then you had better be a virgin.

LilFunyunz · 2022-08-25T23:22:34+00:00

the only way that this isn't reductive and dehumanizing is if you are a virgin and want to lose your virginity with someone who is also a virgin for some reason. otherwise you are prescribing a value to something that doesn't matter. it shows a trait that you might be controlling and kinda weird. I used to think it mattered when I was 17 lol, but I grew up. you should too.

to be clear, having a preference to avoid permiscious women is not the same thing as your stance. that is a valid preference because it is rooted in a personality trait that it's fine to disagree with.

preferring a virgin because they haven't had sex before is weird.

if it's a sexual kink, you better make sure your partner is aware and consents to it....but that might be hard for a virgin to be that sexually aware of themselves.

if you're afraid that the woman is worn out or dirty after 1 sex, then you are misinformed and should focus on educating yourself.

I can't believe this is the shit this subreddit is worried about these days. why don't we focus on real shit like the wage gap myth, suicide rates, work fatalities, conscription, circumcision, family court, domestic violence, criminal sentence inconsistentcies, etc.

women are the same before and after first sex. stop worrying about it.

RaskolniFao · 2022-08-25T23:28:02+00:00

virgin women are like unicorns, anyway

Sweet_Technician_531 · 2022-08-25T23:29:48+00:00

There’s nothing wrong with having Preferences.

Period.

You like what you like. Is everyone able to consent? Enjoy. Fuck everyone’s opinion

ThisFreedomGuy · 2022-08-25T23:31:03+00:00

True. Why is there a debate?

titanicboi1 · 2022-08-26T23:19:08+00:00

Who removed the text in the title

biscuitheque · 2022-08-25T21:30:13+00:00

Well I wouldn't pay full price for a used car

Foreign_Law3727 · 2022-08-25T20:51:49+00:00

I don’t think it’s the preference that bothers women as long as the man is also a virgin. Otherwise it seems like a suppression of sexuality for women vs men.

TheSoviet_Onion · 2022-08-25T21:34:59+00:00

Any preference men have that women do not like is apparently misogynistic.

There's also zero logic because the things that women get most triggered about are things that are actually choices and it is actually healthy to do as men prefer, aka not being fat, not having piercings, having fewer previous partners or being a virgin etc.

I've also been judged for not wanting a poorly educated future low income woman, while for women choosing men this is like literally their first and most important standard.

npcomp42 · 2022-08-25T22:21:54+00:00

There’s nothing misogynistic about preferring a virgin, but there’s nothing universal about it either. I prefer a woman who’s enthusiastic about sex.

TapatioRamen123 · 2022-08-25T19:37:27+00:00

Just be comfortable if a girl doesn’t want you because you’re a non-virgin. It’s an odd preference, and I’d maybe look into therapy if it’s an absolute deal-breaker, especially during these modern times. Needless to say, you are entitled to your preferences.

Jesperstarr · 2022-08-25T20:39:47+00:00

Why do you prefer virgins though

Londinium433 · 2022-08-25T20:06:15+00:00

It’s not misogynistic to have preferences, what’s misogynistic is when you expect something from a woman that you don’t abide by yourself. Women are frustrated by the preferences for virgins because there isn’t the same precedent for men, and also there is a lot of myths spread around like non virgins have bigger vaginas or the cum stays in and mixes with your cum - it seems that people just believe what they wanna believe.

John_doe_97 · 2022-08-25T20:45:40+00:00

I usually agree with some posts on here but this one I genuinely do not. What they did with whoever before they got with you is not your business unless it involves making sure y'all are both disease free. People shouldn't be shamed and judged for having sex for BOTH sexes. If we gonna get pissed at them for calling people virgins and stuff similar then we have no right to do the same stuff we are bashing them for.

themangoatking · 2022-08-25T19:42:55+00:00

Look what am I talking about! I banned for speaking my own mind? I never even said a thing on this community! https://imgur.com/a/Pioi6ir

Al_Modir · 2022-08-25T20:45:11+00:00

As a man I never was attracted to virgin women. I found them to be too boring and inexperienced and they inevitably don’t know what they want most of the time which makes it super risky to get involved with them emotionally. So yea I don’t personally see the attraction.

Aggressive-Funny-527 · 2022-08-25T22:45:00+00:00

There's nothing wrong with having preferences but that's definitely a self defeating one. Once you take her virginity you won't be as satisfied ever again because she'll no longer be a virgin. You're setting yourself up for sex that satisfies you less every single time you have it. Unless you never have a repeat partner and just have sex with as many virgins as you can find, severely limiting your pool of potential partners. Very few women of legal age are virgins and of those who say they are, most are lying or else they've just had a shit ton of anal and oral, which certainly isn't very pure. Plus you'll never know if she was actually a virgin or lying about it. It would be torture to take someone's virginity and then find out she banged the football team in high school. (It doesn't get loose without childbirth, dicks arent thick enough to cause that given the elasticity and lubrication, so you'll never know.) I suppose you could go for underage girls but who really wants to wind up on the sex offender registry with their name, picture, and residential address published for the world to see? But let's say you could tell for sure she was a virgin. Women who save their virginity do so for marriage. So you would be forced to marry this virgin before you could even seal the deal. You would have so few opportunities for sex that you would mostly be denying yourself sex altogether. So your preference limits you to endlessly decreasing satisfaction or very little sex at all. I don't think that hurts women, I think it hurts your sex life. It's all well and good to have fantasies but that's all this is is a fantasy. It's definitely not a preference because it's not readily available enough for you to know if you prefer it. But, on the bright side, sometimes a healthy dose of reality makes fantasies even more fun!

Affectionate-School3 · 2022-08-25T21:55:43+00:00

I love this sub and am an ardent critic of feminist overreach, but I find it reprehensible to prefer a virgin. It’s like you don’t want some other man marking her, like she’s property or territory.

Full. Fucking. Stop. 🇺🇸

pagan_psychonaut · 2022-08-25T21:38:02+00:00

Virginity is a social construct. It literally has no biological function. If you prefer virgins it’s because you are a creep.

WA0SIR · 2022-08-25T20:33:22+00:00

But it’s true even to their standards. Women have monetized their own bodies. So much so that porn industry brings in more money than most tech companies combined.

I say this to then say if women say their bodies are worth something. Then allow men to judge that by being the consumer. Who are they to be mad when men judge womens promiscuity to be worthless?

PooPooGreen · 2022-08-25T22:53:29+00:00

It isn't misogynistic it is just fucking stupid

You either prefer a virgin because you're an insecure child or because you suck at sex.

SuaveFuck · 2022-08-26T01:41:02+00:00

sorry, bros. i love you all and i love this /R/ but, fuck you, seriously. why is fucking a medical virgin in any way important to anyone of you? ah yes, as it has been said:

oh god, she has had more sex than me, she will mock me. first off, if she mocks, shes not worth the fuck anyhow, because she has a shitty character. i dont answer to "whats your bodycount" because i find this question intrusive and it creates more problems than necessary (she had x times sex? SHES A WHORE. he had 2 times sex? EW LOSER.)....thats why i have this playful thing that i always pretend im a 40 yo virgin and supershy BUT in a noticeably goofy way, as in "fuck hell yeah i know what to do with my penis" and THAT usually drives away from whatever judgement and bullshit shittests.

lets not hurt our feelings please, but just enjoy our passion and bodies?

im sorry, but yeah. to me every guy who basically insists on banging a 15 year old or worse is not a "pedo" - but a deeply insecure twat who, out of fear not to be on par and to not be in power, then desires to abuse that power with someone who isnt on par with HIM in return. see the flaw?

a MATURE girl (and there are some) that actually WANTS you wont care. or you can talk about it with her. it will be much better perceived as "i wanna fuck a virgin to hide my own insecurities", trust me. a lotta lot of the afflicted guys didnt choose to be "40 yo virgins". some of us have severe trauma that kept us away. isnt talking about that worth it?

now go downvote me. again, i love you guys, but that "virgin first fuck" thing is just psychopathic power bullshit imho.

sarcasticscottie · 2022-08-25T20:47:02+00:00

So obviously if your expectating your woman to be a virgin then your a virgin too, or is it OK for the men not to be virgins?

Mad_Maduin · 2022-08-25T22:11:09+00:00

Forcing that on "your" woman however, is mysognistic crap.

Also it should be expected from you as well.

Are you a Virgin, op?

It reads at least like it.

At best you are clueless, at worst you are mysognistic scum.

And I say that as a gay man who is for true gender equality.

bojackhorstead · 2022-08-25T23:01:08+00:00

Doesn’t have to be misogynistic to be weird…

Cfwydirk · 2022-08-25T19:30:02+00:00

What a lot of nonsense.

Why would you want a woman who doesn’t know how?

-Soggy-Potato- · 2022-08-25T20:39:49+00:00

It can just be a preference, everyone is entitled to what they want to pursue romantically.

It only becomes an issue when people take it beyond that, and start judging / criticising others based solely on stereotypes around sexual experience. At which point it’s not merely a preference, it’s a tool to dehumanise or shame women

It’s got a very sexist history, Virginity was and for the most part almost still is this ‘sacred’ thing, losing it was a woman ‘losing their innocence’ making them less desirable. All the slut shaming and ideas of someone being ‘used up’, ‘left loose etc, all ways of criticising or lowering the value of a woman based on a social construct. It’s dehumanising

A lot of influence probably comes from religion, shaming women who aren’t virgins as sinful etc.

There’s also the insecurity / immaturity aspect, their partner has a past is upsetting, they don’t like being 2nd to the party and the jealously of knowing that their gf has a past

And ofc the double standards surrounding Virginity or sexual experience, where it’s accepted or encouraged for men but it’s the opposite for women.

sunlitekid01 · 2022-08-25T21:56:00+00:00

Yeah.. no I am not in agreement with this one at all. I am a MRA through and through and do believe it's very misogynistic to prefer virgins. Coming from an Eastern culture where sex is taboo and not bieng a Virgin is a death sentence to a women, I think any man - MRA or not that reduces a women's character or her suitability down to an arbitrary quality like act of sex is being a misogynist.

You can say "men can have a preference" and sure that's true... but then you will also hv defend men that only "date within thier race" because if it's ok to reduce a women down to weather she's had sex, then it's OK to reduce her down to her race... or skin color or age or gender. All of these are arbitrary measures to justify internal biases.

Personally I will date anyone who wants to date me..virgin or not.. because sex serves a lot of purposes.. for men and women so it should not be used against anyone. This whole Virginity thing is a extremely backward cultural bias and the 1st step on the ladder of "affirming gender roles". Any gender role hurts our movement....

The1_And_Only_ · 2022-08-25T22:04:57+00:00

We can argue the semantics of word usage. I call it hypocritical, some call it misogynistic. Either way, I look at from the lense of the current reality/times we live in. I think this mentality only makes sense if you too are a virgin.

Maintaining your virginity these days is an extremely personal and serious decision. It comes with a lot of unique challenges that most people can't/don't understand. So, why would a chaste woman want a man that doesn't align with her personal beliefs/values? One that hasn't walked a similar path? That doesn't understand what it means to maintain "old school" values in the current social climate.

PerfectlyCalmDude · 2022-08-25T22:05:29+00:00

Correct, especially if the man is a virgin himself.

Ecstatic_Wishbone_30 · 2022-08-25T23:11:01+00:00

If you have such a preference ok but don't push it onto others. I'm sure there are men who prefer experienced partner. And the world isn't black and white. There aren't only virgins and sluts. There's pletny of women who had just a few partners and that doesn't mean they're whores. Btw in this day and age even 14 year olds have had sex already so if you want to date a virgin you're gonna have to date a 12 year old. But that would make you a pedo.

AverageHorribleHuman · 2022-08-26T01:13:06+00:00

I mean I don't know if it's misogynistic but I think it's definitely weird to prefer only virgins, unless you are one yourself.

Psychadous · 2022-08-26T01:24:36+00:00

This belief, a that a virgin women is more attractive to men is so true yet,

This is not a commonly held belief. Modern people look past false constructs like virginity which only aimed to prove fatherhood in past times. In modern times, it only serves to preserve a man's ego and to restrict sexual behavior via shame. It is nestled in the fear that if a woman has more than one lover, she will abandon one she perceives as less competent. So yes, it is insecure and anti-progressive.

the “preference” part is what I’m talking about.

This is fine. You are more than welcome to have preferences. But don't push them like they are commonly held. Preferences are subjective. Even very similar people will have different preferences in partners. I would wager that sexual promiscuity would be very low on the selection criteria for most people. Physical attraction, personality meshing, and commonly held hobbies are more likely topping most people's list. If virgin vs non-virgin cracks the top 3 on yours, it may be some time for self-reflection as to why.

The-beat-man · 2022-08-26T01:33:28+00:00

most women over 20 are not virgins get over it

Responsible_Can_2366 · 2022-08-25T21:12:36+00:00

It doesn’t make sense to want a virgin if they themselves aren’t one. If they are then that’s understandable

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-25T20:34:46+00:00

Just know that first sex will hurt her a lot. Penetrating a virgin vag hurts like hell. And then bleeds in most cases. This hymen we women have is useless and bring only disadvantages. I don't see the point of its existence. And those women born without hymen are super lucky.

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Onion_Guy · 2022-08-25T23:53:09+00:00

the fuck?

CliffordThRed · 2022-08-25T21:40:52+00:00

Everyone has preferences and that's cool. Preferring a virgin is cool, fine. But in my mind it is just a tad wierd to have it as a non negotiable or obsess about it.

jostler57 · 2022-08-25T23:19:19+00:00

I mean, it's also a piece of some religions to avoid sex before marriage, so anyone saying it's misogynistic to want virgins is also shitting all over those religious beliefs.

Halobruhv · 2022-08-25T23:22:36+00:00

So if a man wanting a virgin is misogynistic. What about women who say they like to take a mans virginity? What if a homosexual want's a virgin homosexual? Or are those preferences?

cistacea · 2022-08-25T23:46:24+00:00

I think it's untrue that virgin women are more attractive to all men, although they are more attractive to some men. I would say that preferring a virgin isn't inherently misogynistic, but it depends on the reasoning. If a man tells me that he prefers to have sex with a virgin because he himself is also a virgin and wants them to share their first time together, I don't consider that in any way misogynistic. If a man tells me that he prefers a virgin because female non-virgins are less valuable than virgins (but he doesn't think the same principle applies to men) I would consider that to be misogynistic logic.

whateverbitc · 2022-08-26T00:04:50+00:00

If they are also a virgin or see sex as something really special, sure, nothing wrong with it. But some men just fool around without any care and think women who do the same are "dirty" and "not marriage material" or whatever. That's the mindset people are protesting

RowanSomewhere · 2022-08-26T01:13:33+00:00

This is what you say to those shitbags:

"I'm a 'virginosexual'. I'm ONLY attracted to adult virgins, or to adults that have only ever had sex with me. Don't kinkshame, hypocrite!"

Aggressive-Funny-527 · 2022-08-28T23:42:40+00:00

Sorry for the confusion over the definition of "loser." What I meant was that younger, attractive women don't compete for undesirable men. The only women who compete for undesirable men are undesirable women.

Aggressive-Funny-527 · 2022-08-28T23:51:48+00:00

258??? Thats more than fucking Trump!!!!

Title	There’s nothing misogynistic about men preferring a virgin women over a non-virgin.
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Date	August 25, 2022 7:02 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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