Isn't the foundation here just the simple observation that women tend to prefer more masculine, dominant men?

Ercole-- · 2017-04-24T17:38:13+00:00

I've never seen someone "get it" so quickly. Most people come in here talking about how TRP doesn't mean anything. It's like you actually skimmed it for a second. I'm amazed.

BluePiller1776 · 2017-04-24T18:05:53+00:00

In my personal experience this is true. Nearly every woman is attracted to masculinity just like nearly every man is attracted to femininity.

Im not really a "masculine" man. I've never played sports. I dont lift. TBH most of my time is spent playing video games and working my tech job. I dont act in any way trp describes as mandatory to getting laid constantly. But guess what, I still have a happy and active sex life.

I'm really not attracted to the most "feminine" women either. I've always gone for the "tom boy" type of girl and I've been happy in all my relationships.

Now, these are just my personal experiences as well. I'm sure there are people who view the world as you do. But its extremely naive to suggest that the majority of the world views things like I do or you do. Everyone is different in their preferences.

creating_my_life · 2017-04-24T18:23:45+00:00

I would add a few things.

Many of us men grew up with the life lesson that you didn't NEED to be masculine to be loved. So this "simple" observation challenges the world view we were given, but aligns with the experiences many men have.

Second, "masculine" needs to be defined for men who have never seen it. This is what "frame" and "lift" and "groom" means.

Finally, more subtle things like AF/BB, the utter falsehood of "happy wife happy life", and many other small implementations REALLY can make a difference.

Your observation is true on the surface, but digging into WHY and HOW are the core value of TRP.

SetConsumes · 2017-04-24T17:46:41+00:00

That is a lot of it yes, women want masculine men, not men who choose their gender traits based on their feels.

Women don't give a shit about if he decided to be effeminate or not. It's unattractive to most women either way, women do not want a man that's less masculine than them. They'll settle for one however while looking for a more masculine man.

CaptJohnLukeDiscard · 2017-04-24T17:59:35+00:00

Opposites attract. That's the paradox of LTRs. Person A is the stable, easy-going one and Person B is the spontaneous, passionate one. That makes magic at first but can create havoc when you add dirty diapers, poor sleep, morning breath, heathens who put toilet paper on the wrong way, and sexy coworkers (who also have morning breath but you pretend they don't) to the mix.

alreadyredschool · 2017-04-24T18:09:04+00:00

Yes but you can't forget the solipsism. Some people genuinely prefer weird looking guys/women then they use their experience to disprove the trend. "Hey look at me I am attracted to fat nerdy kink girls and I have no problem attracting ugly ham planets DESPITE being a nerdy ugly guy myself, TRP is WRONG!" or "Hey look at me I am a weird girl that prefer shemales, men who look like women. I am not into attractive masculine manly men that means TRP IS WRONG!"

sublimemongrel · 2017-04-24T18:22:31+00:00

Yes, essentially. The disagreements arise wrt how that manifests, and what exactly those words mean.

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-04-24T19:25:41+00:00

But also about what masculinity and feminity even entail and also for how many this is true to which degree. We can't even agree on those basics.

It's much more about two different world views and also different lived experiences. Both sides accuse each other of living on bizarro earth.

It's about if it is okay to generalize a whole gender based on how you feel they are or is it better to rely on studies, to work against your biases and to approach generalizations more cautiously?

Do TRPers or women know more about the daily life of women and why they do things?

Does TRP accurately reflect the reality of how women in general are or are they just going for hot, but easy women and both have some personality flaws themselves (or he tries to impress her by acting like he has DT traits) that influence their ideas about women? After all there are some very obviously broken incels/MGTOWs that claim that there simply aren't any interesting women, but isn't it just more likely that women that are smart enough to be interesting just stay away from walking red flags; and MGTOWs are just like even more bitter and angrier TRPers so the question is if TRP is an accurate representation of reality or are they generally far out as well, but just not as far out as incels or MGTOWs?

TRP is also about how horrible feminism is and why it brings the downfall of society. Which just seems like a conspiracy theory and innate hatred against women to TBP.

TBP disagress that casual sex ruins women or their chance of getting a good partner or that the manosphere has a good understanding of feminism, but that's just seen as us being naive cucks.

So there's countless room for discussions, but it's much more about both sides having different experiences and different communication styles.

winterrider · 2017-04-24T19:54:44+00:00

Yeah. That is the basic, fundamental idea. And I see nothing wrong with that. Men like feminine women and women like masculine men. I think the problem with society is when men are misled into believing that women like feminine men. That is the problem.

Gorgatron1968 · 2017-04-24T19:56:59+00:00

In my personal experience women do want a man who is masculine but have never shown Interest in a dominant man. Masculinity means different things to different people. I don't think that "masculinity" can be broken down into terms of muscle mass rather masculinity is more about what a man is or is not willing to do stand for his principles and his beliefs.

soccerstar77 · 2017-04-24T17:57:15+00:00

Yes, but the issue is some people are in denial of essentially feminine or masculine behavior and qualities.

trail22 · 2017-04-24T21:04:11+00:00

I think the underlying issue is that men have to act in ways that goes counter to their morals and personality.

darkmoon09 · 2017-04-24T18:14:29+00:00

Pretty much. Most of the conflict here revolves around blue pillers/women/feminists/etc denying or downplaying the fact that women like masculine men. It's politically incorrect and makes women appear shallow, it makes women appear animalistic in their sexuality. So they deny it and try to comvunce guys that RP is bullshit and that women in fact like kind hearted "nice guys", you'll even have women try to convince you thay women aren't attracted to muscles and fit male bodies, or that women aren't interested in casual sex, lol.

Don't let them fool you. What they're essentially doing is trying to discredit/invalidate RP in an effort to defend female sexual strategy becusse it's easier for women to execute thier own strategy when they're able to put men into categorized boxes - the sexy alpha types who make her feel warm and fuzzy inside, and the good natured beta types who provide predictable emotional security and comfort. If suddenly you have more and more men questioning the status quo and wanting to develope thier own strategies and up their game, that's going to make it harder for women to put men into boxes and execute thier own AFBB sexual strategy.

So yes while RP is certainly aboit the fact that women are attracted to masculine men, it also points out that the sexual strategies of men and women are fundamentally at odds with each other.

This is all too non-PC and anti-women for mainstream society's tastes so they go on thw offensive against RP to defend the status quo.

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bala-key · 2017-04-24T18:06:03+00:00

Pretty much.

e7th04sh · 2017-04-24T20:12:19+00:00

The problem with TRP is how they define masculinity.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-04-24T20:35:11+00:00

Well I mean yeah ok but there are more and less direct ways get in women's pants. You could be "masculine" by fishing and working in a coal mine. It won't necessarily get you laid.

Now, talking with a loud voice and staying in conversation as long as possible, those are also masculine traits, but ones that will get you laid sooner rather than later. They also seem weirdly specific unless you've peronsally tested them.

cloppydogroll · 2017-04-24T20:36:58+00:00

Yup, but there's a slight bit more to it. Everyone isn't just Feminine OR Masculine, they fall in some gradient between being 100% one or the other. To add to this, men can be more feminine than masculine, and women can be more masculine than feminine. There are also highly balanced individuals who are in the middle, who will probably seek someone else who is in the middle also. There is a correlation between sex and masculinity/femininity but it isn't always the case.

Title	Isn't the foundation here just the simple observation that women tend to prefer more masculine, dominant men?
Author	mwarg
Upvotes	12
Comments	217
Date	April 24, 2017 5:35 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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