~ archived since 2018 ~
Popular
Other
[deleted]
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
[permanently deleted]
[–][deleted] 4 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]nachetb -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If in the case your friend was a fat dude called Bob whom you wouldnt give a shit about, then she isnt your friend.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]nevertextgoodnight 106 points107 points108 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I've been seeing your posts and honestly you did pretty well for how you're learning
She said friends and you said no
I'd just work on more nuances in your texting. Less words, less punctuation
But most importantly you're catering too much to her feelings
"Understandable" "no hard feelings" You don't need to wrap things up in a nice guy package
"Ok I'd love to see you again but I'm not interested in just being friends"
Don't be afraid to put a little pressure on her. Make statements and avoid asking questions. Decisive and concise. As you're learning, think before you send a message "how can I say this in one sentence" If you're starting to use commas it's probably getting too wordy
It seems like you've learned a lot in just 2-3 days so hopefully you can get better results going forward
[–]FaithInStrangers94 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s with peoples hard ons for one line responses with no grammar and half the words missing? I’m not expecting essays but surely sending a few lines isn’t a turn off - are women out there thinking wtf he just sent a 4 line message… what an obsessed creep?
[–]Rock_Granite 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Don't be afraid to put a little pressure on her. Make statements and avoid asking questions. Decisive and concise.
I think I like this idea. Are you hoping to change her mind? What wording would you use to implement this?
[–]nevertextgoodnight 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No you cannot change anyone's mind you're just displaying value by making statements and not asking for validation in the form of questions
Responding to a statement takes more investment than just answering a question
To take it further, I generally leave question marks out of my texts so like
When are you free
Instead of
When are you free?
These are general concepts maybe I didn't properly answer your question
[–]Rock_Granite 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I was more curious about "don't be afraid to put a little pressure on her". How so and how would you word such pressure?
[–]nevertextgoodnight 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's rescinding your offer (your time and attention)
In this case she wanted to be friends and he said "I like you but I'm not interested in just friends" or whatever
Or if a girl is being flaky for scheduling a date you say "I'd like to see you but how about you contact me when you're more sure of your schedule"
You're essentially saying well my offer is on the table and I'm walking away now so you can let me know
[–]Rock_Granite 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes now I see what you mean by pressure. Good thoughts mate. I like it
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The ball is in your court move ;)
[–]DeJuanBallard -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't of said this better myself and I'm the biggest asshole in this sub.
[–]EternalBlaze18 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP you did fine. If I was a girl who received that text I’d feel grateful that you handled it so well. Most ppl throw out the let’s be friends line to soften the blow anyways
[–]SpookyKG 117 points118 points119 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Your first text - bad. 'I'd love to keep getting to know you more' - no, don't talk about your feelings. If you want to keep getting to know her more, THEN GET TO KNOW HER MORE. 'Yesterday was really fun. Next time is over drinks ;) ' something that moves things forward and isn't like "I <3 u"
She rejected you, prob was going to anyways
Your last text? Actually I think it was pretty great. It wasn't bitter and you moved on. That's fine. Nice job, OP.
[–]SDdude81 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your first text - bad. 'I'd love to keep getting to know you more' - no, don't talk about your feelings. If you want to keep getting to know her more, THEN GET TO KNOW HER MORE. 'Yesterday was really fun. Next time is over drinks ;) She rejected you, prob was going to anyways
Your first text - bad. 'I'd love to keep getting to know you more' - no, don't talk about your feelings. If you want to keep getting to know her more, THEN GET TO KNOW HER MORE. 'Yesterday was really fun. Next time is over drinks ;)
Eh it's fine. As you said, no matter what he said she was going to reject him.
And if she was interested, telling her about his feelings is not going to scare her off.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No matter what he said at the start wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
She made up her mind way before.
[–]Aristox 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
What do you think is the problem with talking about your feelings?
[–]SpookyKG 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People want to be made to feel things. They don't want people they just met throwing feelings at them.
[–]Zhai 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If he wants to get to know her more - he can do it as friend. You don't need to bang people to get to know them more. His phrasing doesn't support his stance.
[–]Aristox 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That may be true, but that's a separate point. Saying that he feels positively about getting to know her more doesn't say anything about sex, it just emphasises the desire with emotion
[–]SigmundFreud -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's not the end of the world, but if you do it too often she'll start to get suspicious. I slipped up with my first wife and accidentally claimed to be feeling two contradictory things; she saw through the ruse immediately.
Next thing I know, she's packing her things in a bag, crying that I never really loved her, and hurling insults like "sick fuck", "cheating asshole", "sociopath", "drug addict", "evil man with cold eyes", "harbinger of death", "fuckboy", and on and on. It's just not worth the hassle.
[–]Aristox 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like your problem is more with dishonesty than honesty. And also just sounds like you've got much bigger problems with that woman too. I don't think anything good comes from playing games and being dishonest. Hiding your feelings is pretty beta shit imo
[–]Zhai 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"She saw through the ruse?"
So you were misleading her, or straight up lying. Check your choices OP.
[–]arrow06 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Great last message. Only thing close to top that is the thumbs up Emoji. It Drives people crazy
[–]vroomvroomski 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, it makes you look salty lol. What he said is perfect, acknowledge what she said and make yourself clear. I know cuz I've tried both and only one leads to good results
[–]kathruins 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i would leave out the "no hard feelings" bit. it makes you sound a little inexperienced, bc its something that should go without saying.
[–]wwwflightrn 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
My typical response to the "I just want to be friends" is this:
"No worries have a great day"
And then I never talk to them again. No point in being friends. The chances of hooking up in those cases is pretty much zero
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
80% of the time. Thats what it really means, they don't wanna deal with you and then make the effort to be as bratty as possible until you dip. If you stay they can easily twist on to you
[–]FIFAPLAYAH 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Twist?
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make you look like the asshole for hanging with them
[–]TerminatorReborn 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Colossal waste of time and and emotional effort. I never even had this friendzone conversation, I can pick up when a girl is turned off from dating me: flaking when it comes late night dates for drinks or something, but actually goes after you to talk or do bullshit activities she would do with her friends. When it comes to this situation just dip bro, don't invest in a girl like this.
Being stuck in the friendzone should be a mistake you learn in highschool or at most early years of college, don't allow yourself to be in this situation.
[–]PatientAssociation62 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Perfect response. You rejected her offer of being "just friends" without being aggressive or butthurt over it. A lot of guys will either accept being "just friends" in hoping she will "come around" or lose their shit and go bananas.
I would have thought to have added "if anything changes you know how to get ahold of me" but I actually like your response better. It shows you are willing to drop her like a hot potato if she doesn't give you what you want. That sub communicates high value and lack of investment/neediness.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That works. For future reference, though, you don't even really have to respond to the friendship request. It's usually hollow anyways. You can politely agree to it knowing that you ain't gonna hear from her again anyways.
[–]Independent-Welder-3 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But im still talking to a girl that wanted to be friend with me, and we just see each other like 2weeks ago
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, there are exceptions to every rule.
[–]Zenis 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only thing I’d take out is “understandable”. Makes it seem like you think not being seen as a potential mate was an expected outcome. If anything, change to “I understand” or just leave it as gotcha.
But either way you’ll never talk to her again so who cares? Keep on rolling dude.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s the problem? You handled it perfectly. She’s not interested in a relationship and why would you want to be her friend? Being her “friend” means no sex for you.
[–]Independent-Welder-3 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
im stuck in the friendzone with a girl now, not sure what to do about it
[–]Legal_Development 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're attracted to her best you end it for your own mental health. Do exactly what OP did and be real with her.
[–]chatpal91 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The advice being upvoted here is all good advice for you.. take it to heart instead of looking for advice you "want" to hear.
Do you want to be her friend? No. You want to be her boyfriend, or FWB. So if she says there's no connection, or that she just wants to be friends, you respond with. "No hard feelings. I'm interested in spending more time with you, but respectfully not just as friends."
Why should you reply this way?
First, it's honest. You don't want to be her friend. If you tell yourself you want to be her friend, you're setting yourself up for pain for a long time as you convince yourself that by hanging around, it's because you "have a chance".
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for you OP. Well done
[–]TheMorningJoe 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The response was good, you respected her decision while having the self respect not to stay friends.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Next! You get no punay man. No need to respond just move on. All these people on here saying u should have said this or that don’t understand when a girl says lets be friends she doesn’t care if u disappeared. Move on-
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“I’m not interested in friendship right now, but I appreciate the honesty. Best of luck to you.”
[–]renny811 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is not a bad text but your frame is all off. Personally it seems like you’re coming off as a nice guy, which isn’t bad but you gotta do it the right way. As long as you maintain a flirty and non-needy vibe you can get away with being a nice guy. We can’t literally tell you what to say but this text reeks of neediness, I would’ve just liked her comment and moved on.
Also for future reference, talk about sex during the convo. Don’t play it safe, and you’ll probably never get this “friendzone” shit again.
[–]FruitCreamSicle 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Walking away is the best way to exit the friendzone she’ll either never contact you again or will in a few weeks or a month either way it’s a win win
[–]Sandvicheater 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only friend-zone i will accept from a girl is friends with benefits other than that I bid them a good day.
[–]mystylejay 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, your answer is good. But the answer is only half of the game. What you are doing next is what it really matters.
My one role is never tell what I am doing(verbal communication)Just do it. People will perhaps understand(analogical communication)
IF you had a crush on her, and you desperately need to see her, then stop seein her. You would be just hurting yourself.
IF she was just "a" girl and you think you can be good friends, then go for it. Especially if she might help you in hooking other girls;)
IF you are not really interested in friendship, then just give up. Slowly and kindly(analogically)You owe her nothing.
I honestly think your response was good. It was respectful and confident. Look, that’s what I’d call a “soft ask” - you express your feelings frankly and directly. But leave the decision up to the other party without any pressure.
This works if she’s confident she’s into you.
NOW in my experience, sometimes this is just a smoke screen and they are interested. My current GF told me “I’m not interested in anything, I just want friends” and I said “yah, me too, I’m in the way to your house”
We ended up having sex that night.
What we forget about seduction is that words/body language don’t actually show the same behavior. Someone can say “no I don’t want it” but they actually do. The trick is learning to read the room and know what the woman wants. Also the key to seduction is never letting her feel uncomfortable.
Idk, I don’t like saying “ignore words” but the truth is you need to “ignore words” sometimes.
[–]bigbearog 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“mEn OnLy WaNt OnE tHiNg” is the type of reaction I get when I do this. I think it’s perfectly fine though. No need to spend time on someone who isn’t interested when you can spend time building with someone else
[–]motherseffinjones 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When I get those messages. I tend to say I’m cool with being friends because friends can still fuck ( I know it’s a long shot but what do you have to lose). It’s worked a few times for me but the success rate is pretty low lol
[–]truenseeker 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same, and If they’re still not dtf later, they might have friends who are.
[–]ghrinz 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d avoid using love/hate strong adjectives that directly points toward her, if you want any kind of relationship. You don’t wanna be dependent on a woman, but the other way. Be abundant, display abundance.
If she says not looking for relationship, I’d usually say, that’s works out better as I’m also looking to keep things casual until… give your requirements in a LTR.
[–]revente 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did well.
But it seems to me that you should shift your mindset and focus on options that are still open instead obsessing about one that just closed.
[–]Creevy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great response.
[–]LanterQ1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your second text is great
[–]lovethehuman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks.
[–]homeslice567 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job! Respectful and clear
[–]bllewellyn_1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should have said nothing after "gotcha." Go no contact. Move on to the next girl and don't get yourself friendzoned again.
[–]ExtremeTaco1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did a good job mate I am also new at this sorta stuff and when I expressed my interest and was met with the “not interested in a relationship” thing I tried to cope with just being friends even though it’s not what I ever wanted to begin with and ultimately she stopped talking to me anyways. Lesson learned on my end it’s always a bit shitty but it definitely helps you learn and grow as a person which is never a bad thing.
[–]poly_nerdy_panda 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
being friend-zoned doesn't mean she won't fuck you, you must be more sexual in your game like tell her ass looks good in those jeans or whatever you think. I fucked around 40 different chicks who friend-zoned me maybe a bit more. The few times i stuck out is because either the girl drank way to much that night or she was just a horrible person and i rather not
[–]ListNo9585 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Block and ghost on to the next one
[–]Count_Giggles 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"i have enough friends"
[–]rhofire -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You should have just ignored it. Focus on the other woman who want to date you.
[–]lovethehuman 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn’t ignoring have been petty considering I have been talking to this person for a little bit at this point?
[–]Narudatsu 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah you're right. Sending one final text to say you're not interested in friendship is the right and polite thing to do. Creates an immature/bad habit
[–]AnotherSnow 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah a short response is in most cases resonable, for those were it isn't it's just pure drama. Stay away from drama
[–]rhofire -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nobody cares. Well, except you.
[–]dretsom 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If he cares he should just send it, because according to you it clearly doesnt matter whether he does or doesnt send it. If you think about it just send it. It shows who you are.
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It matters for his sel-respect.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This isn't really advice that's useful.
'Give up everytime you hit a minor roadblock until you find a girl who is so into you that she practically does all the work for you.'
That's what your advice amounts too.
[–]rhofire 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
a minor roadblock
The girl is not interested. What is your advice?
[–]Thin_Protection5616 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I already commented it
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Firstly asking to "get to know her more" is a bit cringe. She knows what you want. You know what you want.
She says "I'm not interested in a relationship, but I'd like to continue the friendship"
You say "That's great because I hate relationships, but friends with benefits sounds great. I never fuck my friends over but I'd gladly fuck you over and over and over!"
if she balks at that I'd say "Well if you don't care for my emotional needs, so we're really not friends at all! I suppose you don't mind if I fuck someone else... so Goodbye!"
[–]Alpha-011 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
your reply can work but is very rude and it depends a lot on how she sees you.
IN GAME, you have put two tactics. very important advanced game.
Not giving a fuck and messing up a set intentionally.
Leaving the table, first
the reason why to leave the table is ONLY IF you have shown insecurities, clingy and neediness
you don't necessarily need to demonstrate she can feel that
The only problem is that it will only work with specific types of women on specific occasions. THE REAL PROBLEM is the way you felt and demonstrated to her. if your confidence was 100% that would never happen. So if your confidence was 75% which is good, BUT NOT for HER.
The other thing with confidence is that not only you own it but she needs to feel that.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, if it's got to the point where you're getting friendzoned, it's either because you couldn't attract her, or she just has a low sexdrive / immaturity.
in other words, you should never find yourself in this position in the first place - but if you do - the only way forward is to be polarizing. Go for broke. Either you'll end up having sex, or you'll burn your bridge here entirely.
Both are wins.
Why? A yes to sex is good. A no to sex is not as good. but it's those damn MAYBES that will kill you.
[–]Alpha-011 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude, you just say everything. I completely agree. Since other girls don't behave like that with me I always assume is her fault and insecurities, lack of maturity, pre-judgmental behavior, and too much game/structure.
[–]badboyyy112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
why so nice OP? I would've left on read and deleted the number. Don't bend over backwards to someone who is rude to you. Remember, No more Mr.Nice guy aka be more asshole-ish. Probably the sole reason she lost her attraction for you -- you being too nice.
Fix it or you will have more problems like this in the future. Think about it seriously
[–]ImpressiveGrocery959 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hilarious.
She wasn’t rude. She communicated clearly, like an adult.
[–]tommybruh -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Better to left her on read and she will understand
[+]Thin_Protection5616 -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Your last text was shit too. Generally, you are too explicit and need to focus more on subtext and feelings.
'Cool, let's split a friendly bottle of wine soon'
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Lmao or you could just not waste your time and find a girl who actually likes you.
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right! Couple of these suggestions come off kinda assholish of manipulative. The approach was HIS style and now you move on
[–]ElTuffo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, and I’m not saying this happens often, it happened only once in my life and I was 33, but I've turned a text like this into a friends with benefits.
She was actually cool to hang out with, I actually really liked her, so I took her up on her offer to be friends. Two “friendly” dates later we hooked up (the dates were actually hanging out with her and her friends), and kept hooking up for another few months until I met my now wife and cut it off.
It helped that I had a couple of other girls going at the time, this keeps things in check. This is probably not going to work for most people out there, so I’m not suggesting to following my lead thinking something could happen, it’s very unlikely, but it’s not impossible. She ended up confessing to me later on that she liked me, she was just really hung up on her ex at the time and not ready for relationship.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So find a 'yes girl.'
It's not a bad strategy for newer guys tbh, but it's not optimal game either. The best girls arent simply going to say yes to whatever you pitch.
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why would you want someone who doesn't like you? That's just over investing your time for someone else's validation. Not criticizing, I just don't really see the point in worrying about game so much.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't actually disagree.
If you have other important shit going on, you shouldn't be devoting too much time to game.
However, many girls aren't simply going to be yes girls, and much of game is about turning maybe girls into yes girls.
In some respects, it feels much more gratifying to pull the maybe girl than the yes girl, similar to how accomplishing anything difficult is more gratifying than accomplishing something easy.
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok I gotcha. Basically polarization.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
it feels much more gratifying to pull the maybe girl than the yes girl
So... ego validation. Got it.
OP, that's not a road you want to spend much time traveling on.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, there are exactly two different types of goals in game.
One is simply horniness and wanting to get laid as much as possible.
The other is wanting to sleep with hotter and higher quality girls.
Thanks for helping me making this point, you moralizing phag
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You seem to be confusing goals and motivations.
Speaking of which, what is your motive for posting here? Is that ego validation as well? Is that why you make a point to insult everyone?
[–]Thin_Protection5616 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I could make that exact same point of you.
Why do you present yourself as morally above it all?
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm full of flaws, both practical and moral. I make no claims otherwise.
I come here to nudge rookies in a healthy direction.
[–]rhofire 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
What is that going to lead to, in your experience?
yeah this is 100% a way to waste OP AND the girl's time
if you don't want friendship, move on. don't lie and try to be manipulative.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
The odds are slim since he already fucked it up.
But it generally shifts the frame without getting into a frame battle while leaving the door open for sex. Also, it lowers the bar of compliance while also being cheeky.
In my experience, it might lead to getting her out again and then he can run game to make something happen.
Your answer wasn't terrible terrible, especially since he already blew himself out with the sappy first message. But I'd still give it a shot since he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point.
But in general, just doing direct game will result in sub par girls, albeit with less time wasted. Depending on your goals (i.e., if you just want to fuck as many girls as possible without worrying as much about quality), that might be ok.
[–]rhofire 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What you're saying sounds like you're one of those guys who can't take a hint.
[–]rhofire 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
So, you're saying you applied this in real life and the girl ended up willing having sex with you?
[–]Thin_Protection5616 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
No, because I don't say retarded shit that causes girls to say they just want to be friends.
The last time a girl said she wanted to just be friends, I said something along the lines of 'cool, let's hang out x day.' when she hesitated, I unfriended her. She immediately asked why. I told her that I'm not friends with people who can't make time to hang out with me. She then immediately agreed to hang out. Didn't close, most because she lived 30 miles away, was a virgin who was 10+ years younger than me, and I couldn't be assed to go through the trouble of trying to fuck her.
Generally though, I operate through subtext and do pretty well with those types of girls - but I have to develop more comfort than attraction. Would much rather play a longer game to fuck the types of girls I want rather that banging girls who've had 10 dicks inside them already.
[–]rhofire 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
So, it's not from your experience, it's just your imagination.
rather that banging girls who've had 10 dicks inside them already.
Make that 11.
Also, how do you determine how many guys a woman has been with?
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Ya, like I said, it's a slim chance but he has nothing to lose.
In some cases, blood. In other cases, I ask (and once made a girl get an std test after fucking her and realizing she wasn't a virgin)
If I think I won't like the answer, I don't. Like I said, I tend to shoot for girls with lower notch counts. 6th sense I guess.
I also live in a more conservative country than you likely do, so it's not too uncommon to run across university girls who are virgins.
[–]rhofire 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
You need to learn how to take a hint.
I tend to shoot for girls with lower notch counts. 6th sense I guess.
Please give me an example of when a your 6th sense told you how many men a woman had been with.
I also live in a more conservative country than you likely do,
I've lived in many countries, and I've never been to a place where you can tell how many guys a woman has had.
But, please enlighten me.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Have you learned the language in any country that has a conservative culture?
If not, you're basically shooting for the small small fraction of local girls who throw themselves at foreigners. Nothing wrong with that, I'm Eskimo brothers with a fair share of guys on the party streets too.
The last two girlfriends I had, including the one I'm currently dating, met me as virgins despite having had boyfriends they didn't sleep with.
Have you ever fucked a virgin?
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I have.
Nothing wrong with that
Of course, as long as you're satisfied with weak game.
Yes, I have. But, I don't sleep with virgins, it's never been my thing.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He lives in his mom's basement. But he is so confident in his texting that every girl drops her panties just seeing his texts.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is the reason dating market will always be unbalanced. Losers like these will just keep giving chicks attention. Dude, develop some self-respect and stop being a loser.
Says the guy who has an extra IG account just to follow models......
[–]koolex -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I would probably say, "Gotcha, I'm only interested in a romantic relationship so if you ever change your mind let me know"
I would leave the door open if she ever changes her mind
[–]Iodolaway 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
if you ever change your mind let me know
Weak response
[–]koolex -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How so?
[–]Iodolaway 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Because you're holding out for scraps after she's finished fucking around. It should be: "Gotcha, but I'm only interested in a romantic relationship. Best of luck."
Short, sweet, to the point.
Your version makes it sound like you have no other romantic prospects or possibility to find such prospects in your life. It sounds as if you're trying to let this door stay open even though she's already closed it. It comes off extremely weak.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She won’t
[–]koolex -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Like 95% chance she won't ever get back to you but if you do this with dozens of women some do get back to you months or years later
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Send her a pic of your dick
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Everyman1000 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you guys feel about asking her if she can introduce you to any of her cute friends
[–]gillmanblacklagooner -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be simple and polite.
[–]Alpha-011 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The reason why you guys are in the friend zone and don't know anything about a woman having no girlfriends then if you have, they will just slip from your hands IS THAT you have lots of self-limiting behaviors/thoughts your ACTIONS are aligned with those false beliefs.
Relationships ARE NOT 50/50 who d'heck told you that boy!??? @JoeBeezy123
your first text was pretty bad BUT THE REAL PROBLEM IS NOT THAT (go to number 3)
[3.] YOUR REAL PROBLEM was that you're want her too much when she was chill. Your LEVEL OF INTEREST should always be LESS THAN HER. You cannot expect prime food in a restaurant when you're only giving dimes, first, she needs time to know you, then the more she shows you reciprocation, then you validate her A LITTLE BIT, not the opposite. (examples: kiss, flirt, premises, dates)
[4.] YOUR BEST WAY NOW is either give her ONE WEEK and text her OR no contact AT ALL until she replies.
[5.] YOU THINK IS ALL F*CKED AND THIS IS THE END but TRUST ME if you start to talk to her and creep her out, tell your emotions then it's more close to the end.
[+]slaybrownbeast -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
waste of time, either do not reply or reply “k”
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
jesus, what a loser.
[–]n31s0n -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In my opinion:
Dont use "gotcha" nor "understandable". You absolutely should not have said what you said. This is how I would have responded:
"Alright, I see you. Till next time"
You dont have to tell her that you are not looking for a friendship. You can just excuse yourself away from her if she hits you up and she will take the hint. And if you do decide to keep seeing her, she may change her mind about you.
But dont be scared of rejection. Accepting rejection and moving on is the key improving yourself.
[–]ZenitPM -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are fine and probably dodged an unknown bullet down the road.
[–]Designer-Stranger155 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s good in a way that she wants to be friends with you. I’ve been on dates with woman where they obviously never want to talk to me again.
[–]he_retic -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No you have to 1 up them and be sarcastic. If they say they just want to be friends say “oh yeah friends? I’d love to be friends”, just so ur going over the top and making her question whether you’re really genuine or mocking her, that way she’ll keep testing if you’re really just friends or want more
Ok
No. I clearly stated my reasoning for posting was to ask for advice. I want to improve in case something like this happens in the future.
[–]Ruby0990 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You might want to avoid showing any sort of resentment but also not caring at all. I would change just this part “but I have absolutely no hard feelings towards you” with “but I’m glad we had a nice time together” or something like that. It’s a really ‘balanced’ kind of answer, you’re keeping it vague about how much you were into her even if you wanted more than a friendship. At the same time, you are showing you’re not desperate about it.
[–]theseoulplayer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya did good kid. Ya did real good.
[–]Lifedeather 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At first I thought you said any type of friendship and I was gonna get mad and rant about the whole stereotype of girls and guys can’t be friends unless sexual, but you said that type of friendship after rereading so it’s all good 👍
I see people to say "it's so shitty to date someone just forba relationship, but sometimes once you get denied and rejected, still trying to be friends is just too painful or awkward. It doesnt mean you hate them or have any hard feelings towards them, it's just hard to remain friends like that with someone you liked
[–]maxpossimpible 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty good honestly. Good for you respecting yourself
[–]1000miles_if_i_could 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe I am overly sensitive here. But OP‘s last text gives a bit passive aggressive vibe to me. I wouldn’t say “that sort of friendship” but just “a friendship”
[–]Sup3rHD 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what
Ghost her and talk to other girls.
yesterday was really fun. I’d love to keep getting to know you more if you’re interested
This is not how to keep attraction
[–]Ragnarok992 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have seen many girls post something like this on their profile saying that men should always stay as friends because they dont Owe you a relationship blah blah blah
© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.created by /u/dream-hunter
[–][deleted] (36 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (23 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]nachetb -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (36 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (35 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (32 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (31 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (30 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (29 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (22 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (11 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (6 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (8 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (6 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]nevertextgoodnight 106 points107 points108 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]FaithInStrangers94 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Rock_Granite 4 points5 points6 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]nevertextgoodnight 16 points17 points18 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Rock_Granite 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]nevertextgoodnight 14 points15 points16 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Rock_Granite 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]DeJuanBallard -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]EternalBlaze18 13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SpookyKG 117 points118 points119 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]SDdude81 43 points44 points45 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aristox 10 points11 points12 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]SpookyKG 14 points15 points16 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Zhai 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Aristox 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SigmundFreud -1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aristox 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Zhai 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]arrow06 -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]vroomvroomski 21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]kathruins 26 points27 points28 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]wwwflightrn 54 points55 points56 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 14 points15 points16 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]FIFAPLAYAH 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]TerminatorReborn 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]PatientAssociation62 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 26 points27 points28 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Independent-Welder-3 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Zenis 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Independent-Welder-3 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Legal_Development 13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]chatpal91 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]TheMorningJoe 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Delicatestatesmen 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]renny811 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FruitCreamSicle 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Sandvicheater 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]mystylejay 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]bigbearog 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]motherseffinjones 7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]truenseeker 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ghrinz 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]revente 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Creevy 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LanterQ1 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]lovethehuman 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]homeslice567 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]bllewellyn_1 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ExtremeTaco1 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]poly_nerdy_panda 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ListNo9585 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Count_Giggles 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire -2 points-1 points0 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]lovethehuman 19 points20 points21 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Narudatsu 17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]AnotherSnow 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire -3 points-2 points-1 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]dretsom 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 11 points12 points13 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 8 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Alpha-011 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Alpha-011 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]badboyyy112 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]ImpressiveGrocery959 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]tommybruh -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]Thin_Protection5616 -13 points-12 points-11 points (40 children) | Copy Link
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 23 points24 points25 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]Chance_Zone_8150 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ElTuffo 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 -1 points0 points1 point (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 5 points6 points7 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]ItsYaBoiPaladinPedro 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 13 points14 points15 points (25 children) | Copy Link
[–]SpookyKG 14 points15 points16 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 4 points5 points6 points (22 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 2 points3 points4 points (20 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 4 points5 points6 points (19 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 5 points6 points7 points (18 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points (17 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 2 points3 points4 points (16 children) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 0 points1 point2 points (15 children) | Copy Link
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points (14 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Thin_Protection5616 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]koolex -4 points-3 points-2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]Iodolaway 7 points8 points9 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]koolex -4 points-3 points-2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Iodolaway 6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]koolex -3 points-2 points-1 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (6 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (5 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Everyman1000 -4 points-3 points-2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]gillmanblacklagooner -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Alpha-011 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]slaybrownbeast -6 points-5 points-4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]n31s0n -3 points-2 points-1 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ZenitPM -3 points-2 points-1 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Designer-Stranger155 -5 points-4 points-3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]he_retic -4 points-3 points-2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]lovethehuman 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Ruby0990 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]theseoulplayer 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Lifedeather 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]maxpossimpible 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]1000miles_if_i_could 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Sup3rHD 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Ragnarok992 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link