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[–]Classic_Common_9163 228 points229 points230 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While it is a numbers game, one is too many if you learn nothing from it. A hundred is ok if you learned from all. The key is to treat it with the scientific process. Do you have a sufficient sample size, what is your question and theory, what feedback did you get?
[–]OThinkingDungeons 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't bash your head against a wall hoping for one or the other to break.
While tonnes of courage to stomach rejection is important, the point is to build up skill and resilience for the ultimate goal.
[–]SummerSplash 76 points77 points78 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
Rejected for what exactly? To start a conversation, to go on a date, to go to your home? They're all different.
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
I updated my post. Anyway what I mean is basically trying to get a girls number. So basically getting rejected in the first 5 minutes of meeting her.
[–]LackingTact19 138 points139 points140 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you're coming off pretty strong. Asking a girl for her number within five minutes of meeting her is a pretty hefty escalation so their reactions will be just as strong, and usually consist of telling you to go away because they're freaked out that some stranger is pestering them.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link
I’m starting to realize this too. I am mainly talking to girls on the street while I am trying to get to my destination so I don’t have much time. Also I don’t like getting anything other than a number. honestly I feel like it holds more weight and shows she has interest unlike asking for ig. It’s so weird to me I have never run into this problem of asking for a number too soon. Usually I just get it. Hell there have even been times where I literally just said “can I get your number” and I got it. And that was the whole conversation. Idk what’s happened I think this is a combination of no longer being a teenager and being in nyc.
[–]LackingTact19 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Both those last two things most likely. NYC is an interesting place for socializing from talking to everyone I know that's lived there. It's a busy city and can be difficult to make connections with people since it's such a crowded, busy place.
[+][deleted] -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
How many rejections in a row is too much?
[–]pokemonpokemonmario[🍰] 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean too much ? It's not like going into debt you loose nothing by being rejected
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn’t mind if I lost money honestly. It’s my mental health taking all of the hits. Like how can I even stay as confident as I was on rejection #20
[–]pokemonpokemonmario[🍰] 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You're too weak to be approaching girls. Even the best pick up artists don't get more than a 4% hit rate meaning the most attractive men on the planet get rejected more than they don't by quite a bit. I'm just assuming here when I say you're probably not a millionaire, probably not shredded, probably a little shorter than 5"10, average or less face and low self-esteem.
You're attached to the outcome of your interactions with women instead of approaching just for fun and not caring if you get the number or not.
Sounds like you need to start improving yourself and maybe think about taking a couple therapy sessions to get the ball rolling.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too much for what?
[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
0-15 in a row is normal past that you need to fix strategy.
[–]Aristox 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Unless you're like over 50, asking for a number is kinda weird nowadays.
People use Instagram generally as a way to keep in vague contact with someone and find out about them via stalking their pictures etc. The distance and lack of commitment that comes with it is a feature, not a bug, that's why people prefer it
Giving a phone number is seen as a next level up in terms of intimacy etc and hot girls would need a burner phone if they were in the habit of giving their number out to everyone who chatted to them.
Instead of asking for her number, ask her out on a date, then if she says yes, ask for her number to keep in contact.
Asking for number without having a date set up sounds cliché and inauthentic like you're just going through the motions that you saw in a tv show from the 90s
[–]Sensitive-Permit-877 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I disagree men create the standard and the standard should always stay a number. Again we need to stop simping to the IGs. If all guys asked for numbers instead of igs the women would change
[–]Backheelfields 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol totally agree, they need to change tbh. At the end of the day whether youre asking for an IG or a phone # youre just another notification on her phone. It easy to come off too strong but i wouldnt worry too much about it unless ur asking to screw or something
[–]Aristox -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol okay buddy, good luck making the rest of the world bend to your will
[–]throwawaynibs 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yo, have you looked at a Covid map recently? Maybe they think you’re a plague rat. Probably best to not to approach strangers during a Covid surge. Just sayin’ maybe that’s part of it.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is actually a very good point. But as of rn there is no way for me to meet women in a semi decent “warm” setting. At least not ones I’m attracted to. I don’t have any pics I can use to make a decent tinder either. Never really jumped on the social media wave always thought it was weird seeing people so busy taking pictures instead of enjoying the experience felt fake.
[–]djflowerpower 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. I just went back online and created a profile…bc COVID. I haven’t been going out much after the second week of December bc “Omarion.” Lol. Meeting someone in person is soooo much better, but I figured why not. I would suggest taking some decent pictures for your online profile. Learning to use the timing setting to set up a picture of yourself is helpful. You can set it up from a distance (so you don’t have just selfies as options). But I would say overall, keep some optimism and give it time. There is a lot of competition in NYC, yes, so it may take longer than you’re used to, but try to learn from it. In NYC a cute face is a dime a dozen, so you may need to adjust your game a little.
If I’m outside grabbing a tea or food, I’m already taking somewhat of a risk being outside. As long as you’re not in my face, like face to face with me, then I would entertain a comment that may lead to a convo from a potentially cute stranger. With mask on yes, but if the convo starts I may introduce myself by pulling my mask down and smiling. This might be something you can initiate too. I mean where else would I also meet someone? If we’re both on the same boat, why not.
I also understand that not everyone will feel comfortable rn. It’s about gauging the other person though, again. Body language is important. Being single during COVID has been it’s own challenge. I know myself and a few girlfriends who are still open to meeting new people.
[–]MartMillz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most singles are at least still interested in dating if not suffering from loneliness. I wouldn't advise anyone to just quit entirely.
As a native NYer, it sounds like you may be coming off too strong too soon. There are a lot of creeps out there so you want to gauge her interest first. Try to smile first, flirt, and start a verbal exchange / a back and forth and then asking for a number. I will agree with you and stick to asking for a phone number and not IG (I hate being asked for my IG). It is a process and you should be gauging the response you get / body language. Even if she has a bf, she may decline, with or without a smile. We tend to not smile in general- to not lead you on. If you’re cute, then you may get a smile. :)
Hell, I’ve even given a not so “good looking” guy a chance recently bc he approached me at an open house. We made small talk about the apt inside and joked and then he admitted he saw me go in and the only reason he went in was to ask for my number, bc he was not really looking. I blushed and told him, “wow: well I think you deserve to have my number for that effort.” He was totally not even my type, but I felt like he deserved a reward for that effort and honesty.
[–]tequilapurell 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If someone randomly asked for my number on the street I would say no, even if it was the hottest guy I’ve ever seen. Go for people you make little connections with first.
[–]bmunger718 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea a number is more solid guys need to only accept that fuck that ig Shit cause you don’t wanna become a fan. Then it just causes them to social proof you by looking up your ig.
[–]SnuggleBunni69 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I found this post looking through this subreddit and feel like I should give you some advice. Lived in Brooklyn for many years and wife is from Queens. Girls in NYC don't want some random dude on the street trying to talk to them and asking for their numbers. It's creepy shit and doesn't work. Do everyone a favor and figure out a new way to meet people. I cannot stress enough that this is not the way to go about things in New York. People are busy and just trying to get from point A to B.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
not really a girl sums you up within 10-30 seconds.
[–]Backheelfields 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its brazy!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
how long should you talk and establish a connection before going for the number ig? I'm a beginner and am kind of busy.
[–]Dakessian 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe try to build it up. I feel like five min. Is too fast.
[–]Woujo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't ask for a number in the first 5 minutes. You need to build a connection first.
[–]Alextryingforgrate 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
If youre getting answers like please leave me alone you are clearly doing something wrong or plain and simple being a creep.
Like how does the interaction go in the first 5 minutes. What are you talking about and if its closed yes/no questions you wont get anywhere. Begging for her number is going to just make you look weak as well. If your going to answer with hows the weather type shit you're not going to get anywhere. Also how do you dress like is your stuff clean, how is your hygene? Like what else is going on with your interactions.
Like What else is going on becuase i also have a hard time believing that you are doing nothing but striking out.
Maybe check some online course like from James Marshall. Ive going through his stuff and its helped out me out immensely.
[–]IllDeleteThisUNsoon 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I first pull up in my white van and ask if they want to get in for a ride. If that flops, which it typically does, I go for the number.
[+][deleted] -40 points-39 points-38 points 4 years ago* (26 children) | Copy Link
I will say looking back at it this girl prob had like no interest in me at all. We were walking on a busy street at night and I had came from behind basically saying what’s up. I am pretty sure that scared her and I very much did apologize for scaring her. Who knows maybe she turned around and was scared of my face. I’d like to think I’m not hideous and I have had much reason to believe the opposite but who knows maybe in NYC I’m a 3/10. Anyway I did something I really never do and I did say she was fine a couple of times. Honestly getting desperate at this point. Ik I messed up here but at least it was something different so you can’t say I’m not at least trying anyway. So I ask for her name and she says nothing. I ask for it again thinking she didn’t hear me because it is crowded so who knows. After That I ask her if she’s not feeling me and she says “nah” which I misinterpreted looking back at it. I then ask her if she has a boyfriend and she says yes. Now I’ve been with girls who have had boyfriends not to brag or anything I just thought you should know to understand why I continued. So next I basically say “I’m better than your boyfriend tho” in a joking way. Honestly looking back at this I don’t know why I just didn’t say “I don’t mind sharing” like I usually do. That right there was the point of no return. and she stops walking turns to me and said that. As far as dressing I dressed very comfortable but very clean as well. Honestly a pretty decent fit you would prob see in a magazine minus the sweats. I am very clean as well I use limes to alter my ph balance so I never smell and I also put on Versace Eros everyday. What happened today was very bad on my part but I just regained some confidence and I really just wanted to try something new. Before this every girl was letting me off too nicely like they genuinely felt bad which is a weird feeling considering most of the time I’m trying to hookup. Not buying any courses tho.
[–]TheCaribbeanRedditor 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're being a creep and then getting upset you're not getting results? Lol.
You obviously have no calibration. You should have just thanked her n walked away, instead you continued pestering her.
Change your approach, establish comfort and rapport, and know when to exit a set if it isn't working out
[–]Alextryingforgrate 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I will say looking back at it this girl prob had like no interest in me at all. We were walking on a busy street at night and I had came from behind basically saying what’s up. I am pretty sure that scared her
Yup thats about the whole story right there. Dont be calling chicks from behind on a dark street. Most people get a little more scared at night its sort of a normal thing since we cant see to well in the dark. So if you're going to be doing day game get in front of them, even during the day. Even myself as a 6' dude unless you call me by my name im not stopping for anyone just calling out hey. Stop being lazy, you want someones attention you best go work for it. Because hey is just lazy.
Anyway I did something I really never do and I did say she was fine a couple of times. Honestly getting desperate at this point. Ik I messed up here but at least it was something different so you can’t say I’m not at least trying anyway. So I ask for her name and she says nothing. I ask for it again thinking she didn’t hear me because it is crowded so who knows.
No your first assumption of her being scared shut her down and she wanted nothing to do with you. See next point.
After That I ask her if she’s not feeling me and she says “nah” which I misinterpreted looking back at it.
did you learn anything from this point?
I then ask her if she has a boyfriend and she says yes. Now I’ve been with girls who have had boyfriends not to brag or anything I just thought you should know to understand why I continued. So next I basically say “I’m better than your boyfriend tho” in a joking way. Honestly looking back at this I don’t know why I just didn’t say “I don’t mind sharing” like I usually do. That right there was the point of no return. and she stops walking turns to me and said that.
Fucking wow. You really have the balls to say that to a chick then wonder why you get the answer you get from chicks?! Dude seriously seduction is about making a connection not belittling some dude you never meet. Even if a chick just got into an argument with her man is angry with her man and physically has a knife to his throat saying the shit you just said to her will only push her towards her man. I really dont know what your thought process is behind that whole interaction and i dont want to know what you're thinking or how it was going to work out in your favor given that you have already scared the fuck out of her and creeped her right out.
Not buying any courses tho.
Do yourself the favor stop buying Versace cologne and LV garbage go pay for an experience with people that know how to be properly social and get some help dude.
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[–]Glucksburg 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Let me ask you something different. Take a step back. How are your interactions with people more generally of all genders? Have other guys or women you're not attracted to given you similarly uncomfortable vibes? Have you been able to make friends more generally in NYC?
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
I haven’t made any new friends in nyc. Mainly because I don’t really crave any type of male companionship. Of course I have friends in mass and male family but as far as going to hang out with the boys I rather not. I worked at a plumbing place for a bit and I pondered taking the guys up on going to the club together. But after having a falling out with the boss I just decided not to. As for female companionship I don’t want platonic ones. Feels like I’m playing therapist and sometimes girls share some real crazy stuff. Although I am cool with family women. I also do know girls that are here that i have known since 3. And we are very comfortable with each other. I saw some a ago while I was walking the street we talked a bit but I had to go. Maybe next time if I see them at church I’ll try to connect with them more. A platonic relationship with them would not sound bad. They are just fun to be around.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Just hang out at coffee shops or get a cute dog, girls that like you will come and pet your dog then your closing ratio will go up.
I wish I could video tape the model chick I fuked after her dog played with mine, shut these basement dwelling beta blue pill asshats up.
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[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Listen My dog got me laid many times. I live in a very busy competitive city. Hell he can do wag a dog and walk someone else’s dog and get paid and get laid if he doesn’t wanna deal with owning a dog.
The girl pets your dog then you start chatting its an easy transition from just cold approaching, at least you can comfort build and qualify.
Does it always work out no but his close ratio will go up. Also girls love playdates for their dogs. I have fucked models with my dog. My dog plays well with other dogs and allows me to work my charm. If you have a dog that bites then it won’t work.
I am giving out gold nuggets here go shit someone where else. lol
[–]Glucksburg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What happened with you and your boss, just out of curiosity if you don't mind sharing? Trying to get more information to help you.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don’t wanna give this guy any energy so imma keep it brief. I am an electrical apprentice. I have no plumbing experience. My mom saw I was having trouble getting a job so she basically told my uncle to make him hire me. He was itching to get rid of me since day 1. He wouldn’t even let me drive the van and when I was with him he just had me wait in the car so We don’t get a ticket. He didn’t want/need any more helpers in the company. He just wanted plumbers and “experienced” drivers. Didn’t give me a chance to prove myself either. So after 3 weeks he just says “it’s slow and I have no work for you. I’ll call you to let you know when you can come back in”. It’s Been 4 months and I still haven’t gotten a call.
[–]Glucksburg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ouch that sucks. Are you getting paid and looking for another job?
Yeah I work as an electrician now. Also I don’t think I made it clear but my uncle wasn’t the one I was working for. My uncle owns some properities so he had asked some guy he contracts to hire me.
[–]JD42305 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This might go against the grain of this board, but I would stop relying on cold approaching women on the street, and if you do, be extremely careful to be as non threatening and instead be as warm and friendly and self aware as possible. Honestly, sign up for the dating apps and have good pictures. Of course you're getting rejected, you're stopping girls at night on the street, you're insulting them (whether playfully or not) by insulting their possibly imaginary boyfriend. If you're going to approach a woman on the street, which I think is an archaic way of getting women, you have to always be aware of your situation and your body language. Imagine being a woman walking down the street, and a man calls to you from behind. It doesn't matter how attractive you are, that immediately raises their alarms. How often do they get hit on or threatened by random men on the street?
Nobody witnessed how your approached these women, but I would say just approaching women in general on the street is highly unlikely to give even a 5% hit rate, and yes, it likely makes things completely different being in a big city. I'm a big dude, and even I am on high alert walking the streets in the city. Imagine being a small woman in the largest city in the world, the amount of crazy and threatening things they've seen. A small town is likely an entirely different ballgame and you are likely to get more reception there. So, even if you are not approaching in the best way, I would say any man is unlikely to get good results. Hit the gym, get in dating sites, go to bars and be as friendly and normal and funny as possible. Your results will be 100 times better.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This will be noted. Thank you for your comment. I started to have a very pessimistic view on the world as a whole once my friend died. So I guess people can see right through me or I am outwardly showing I’m not a very warm person.
[–]Glucksburg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
OP how old are you? If you're approaching women significantly younger than you then that might be part of the problem.
Also have you tried dating apps or joining social sports clubs ? There are so many in NYC.
More importantly, don't write off friendship with other men and platonic relationships with women. The reality is most people date those they meet through mutual friends or through family. And having a support network in a new city can only help you.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I just turned 20. Not big on social media there don’t really have an pictures for those apps. Usually whenever I go somewhere I find it really cringe to be taking a photo. So most my photos are with other ppl or I’m the one taking them.
[–]Glucksburg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even so, you're only hurting yourself by not trying to expand your social circle before looking for hookups.
[–]Alextryingforgrate 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She is walking forward so do you want me to jump right in her way to get in front of her? Also wdym stop being lazy work for someone’s attention? Would you rather I did a triple backflip into a somersault
She is walking forward so do you want me to jump right in her way to get in front of her?
Also wdym stop being lazy work for someone’s attention? Would you rather I did a triple backflip into a somersault
Yes, and well a back flip will get anyones attention over just "hey, you"
Idk if your being sarcastic in this third point. But I guess I would say instead of focusing on what she says I should pay more attention to body language.
No there was no sarcasm implied. When a chick is not showing any interest and even answers your question about not being into you, the right thing to do is leave her alone. Yes pay attention to the whole package.
Look im just trying to help out with the information that you have given me in this thread. Other questions in this posts are showing me a lot more about you as well. Like you seem to be well adjusted enough to have friends and people to go out with. Im sure there is an old or new coworker you can go out with that can wing with you. Going out alone isnt a bad thing, having a friend with you at the same time helps a ton. Im sure there is a FB group for seduction in NYC try and hit that up and find someone to work with. Again James is someone that can cut through a lot of your problems instead of having to come here to a bunch of different opinions he has abunch of other people working with him on his workshops so you get a lot of insight from people that do nothing that tareass around the world hooking up with chicks. Or you can trust 35 different nobodies that think they have done things. Im just going to leave with this, that i took his Barcelona workshop in Spain, where they speak Spanish. After a week me feet fucking hurt from literally chasing women, getting numbers and going on dates. So if i can go to a country that i dont speak their native toungue and go on dates im sure there is something they can do for you.
[–]JohnnyLazer17 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Ik mma” - you should’ve opened with that.
[–]Lexi4you 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m a girl and I’m sorry but what you did comes off as very creepy and the whole interaction is one big red flag. Please don’t do this anymore. Try talking to women in more casual settings like a bar/pub or club, not out of the blue on a road. Sends off the wrong message. Pro tip: if your second question is “do you have a boyfriend” then: 1- sounds like potential stalking behavior 2- if she says “yes” take the hint and leave her alone.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thank you this will be very much noted. I genuinely feel bad rn because she didn’t really say it in a mean way at all. Just my first time hearing something like this. I must have really scared her.
[–]Lexi4you 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for listening and taking note! That’s always good
[–]jamminamon 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your approach was bad. Your timing was bad. Your initiation was bad (situational awareness). Your conversation is bad. No flirting, telling her she's 'hot' is not flirting. She's giving you obvious signs she wants no interaction yet you persist.
I'm not saying talking to people on the streets is a bad idea but at least come with some substance like something relevant to your situation that you both can relate. Cold approaching someone and going straight to the questions more or less won't get you anywhere unless you are really really really ridiculously good looking.
Even I, as a guy, find your interaction boring. No connection, flirtation, not funny, or interesting. Recall your interaction and imagine your first impression on her. What did you do to catch her interest? What impression do you think you left on her? From that impression do you think you had a connection worthy of asking her number and meeting up again? When she looks at your number what memory have you left her to WANT to meet up with you again?
Maybe since you're new to NYC you could use that as a conversation starter. Make a funny/witty joke. Ask about recommendations (could also be a lead). Compliment her outfit/style (people like it when you pay attention to details). Don't straight up ask if she has a boyfriend. Like just don't, ever. That's a creepy and uncomfortable question because we all know where it's leading.
[–]i_like_octopus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yikes
[–]TheLegendofMikeHawk 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Wdym “this isn’t for you”? Like you should die alone?
[–]touseef499 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He just meant dont think about rejections, you are obviously not gonna keep track of 999 rejections.... he made it up coz you wanted a number. Just keep putting yourself out there man.... you got this.
[–]Nalayak_Launda 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No. Work on improving yourself. Hit the gym, earn more money, make your behaviour more attractive.
[–]Kennywise91 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or Hookers
[–]Thierr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make sure you're doing it where you can shine. Night game / clubbing simply won't work as well as for example day game or online dating for some people. Find what your niche is.
[–]TheLegendofMikeHawk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean that, if you can't make yourself appealing for at least 0.1% of woman, you are doing something horribly wrong and it's likely yes, you will die alone. The craziest thing about that though, is that nobody cares. It's up to you, and only you.
[–]Backheelfields 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I tell myself that everday, life is too short
[–]TheLegendofMikeHawk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Church.
[–]queen_2030 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I usually have success meeting people through friends and online. I think with everything going on in the world quite a few people are not willing to open up to strangers as much anymore.
[–]Global-Bridge-6787 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I think this is a common refrain but I still recommend people try to approach strangers, obviously within reason and based on environment.
Thats true but sometimes I think the quality of people you meet online on apps is for sure lagging compared to the people u meet in persons
[–]miamiric3 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
IMHO, day game/street game just doesn’t sound like it’s working for you. No biggie… it’s just probably time to try a different venue (like bars) where women are actually expecting to be approached.
However, regardless of venue, you should recognize that the vibe you’re giving off is probably less playful and more intense/outcome dependent (which can be pretty scary for women since there’s no way for them to know your intentions and if you’re a potential stalker/rapist/etc.) Thus, the safest option for them is to just turn you down right away. However, if you’re a fun guy who walks up with a smile on his face, opens with a joke, and is just enjoying his best life, odds are so much lower that you’re a threat. (Plus, you seem like someone they might actually want to hang out with even if things don’t pan out romantically.)
The best way I’ve found to increase your odds is to get into a more playful mood, which you can do by getting warmed up first. The simplest way to do that is to go up to random people—both guys and girls—on the street and compliment them on their outfits (but only if it’s a genuine compliment). “Yo, I love your shirt.” “Your shoes are sick.” “You all look gorgeous tonight.”
Now, the key here is to walk away immediately. That way, you’re simultaneously conditioning your mind to be outcome independent and conditioning yourself to give off a positive, uplifting vibe to everyone around you. Note: You’re not complimenting any of these people to talk to THEM. You’re complimenting them to orient your OWN mind.
As you keep doing this, you’ll get a lot of surprised but strongly positive reactions where you’ll hear “thanks so much, man” from over your shoulder as you walk away. And you can walk away knowing that you just made someone’s night. You’ll also get some people who don’t hear you. And some people who do hear you but are confused. Don’t worry about them… just keep going.
Eventually, once you’ve given a lot of compliments that day (~5-20-ish if you want a number), you’ll have it baked into your vibe that you’re a positive force in the world who makes people feel better about themselves. Which means you’ll feel better about yourself. And you’ll be looking forward to talking to the next person. And boom… you’re in an upward mood spiral.
NOW, you can start talking to people with the intention of asking them out. But make sure to maintain the positivity and outcome independence. And make sure to maintain that vibe by continuing to give out outfit compliments for the rest of the night. (Though, now, you don’t have to walk away immediately after compliments. You can stick around and chat if you’re so inclined.)
Hope that helps!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for this comment. I will try doing something like this in the future.
[–]jackedguyinmelbourne 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When I first started it took me 6 months of approaching every day to get my first date!
And I kept improving myself, my game, until I managed to get 6 girls from the street to my apartment in 2019, not to mention dates and pulls from clubs.
It is up to you to be determined and stubborn or to quit like a pussy.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guy gets it that’s what I’m talking about JACK. “Inserts this is about drive it’s about power”. Something which is not spoken about too often is you have BELIEVE. You have to believe you can do this maybe not right now but you can if you out in the work. Stay hard
[–]TiberZurg 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I lost my virginity after 700 approaches, my friend. But girls were already into me after like 200 approaches, I was just too afraid to make a move so I had to get to keep trying until a girl made a move on me lol. Keep trying! You'll get better and better, and hotter girls will be into you as time passes. In the old days people said it takes 1000 approaches to get good.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What a fooking legend, I'm on my way to achieving this as well. even though I just started and I am on my 5th approach lol. I'm not giving up!
[–]TiberZurg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You got this! It's a long journey but very rewarding. Sometimes it can get very difficult, but if you have the will you'll get through those times and come out a better person. What helped me was going on long trips and just going out almost every night. You can do 5 - 10 approaches in one night. When I lost my virginity I moved to Barcelona and I said: I'm going out every night until I lose my virginity, and I did. I still want to get to 1000 but I'm now just riding out the corona crisis. I could do it in 1 month. Maybe this summer I can...
Also... Thanks for the award!
No worries, I know that this will be a very challenging jouney (even more in my case because I have no friends or go out at night) but I'm actually exited to do my best at it. There are really few things that scare me like this so I know I must go through this process.
The only thing is that most times I have to walk for HOURS before I get myself to approach the first girl and it is very tiring and time consuming. I feel like when I'm done with this I'll have the lower body of a bodybuilder lol.
[–]TiberZurg 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, I know how that feels. But it will get a lot easier in time. It's awesome that you're facing your fears, I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun! If you can find other people that you can do this with it can also help a lot, in some cities there are facebook groups.
[–]norwegiandoggo 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
That is a really bad self-defeating question to ask.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Idk about self defeating at some point you just gotta stop. For your own sake. All those rejections could really mess up your mental state.
[–]norwegiandoggo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
It's on you to have a proactive positive mindset about rejection.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
What is positive about rejection?
[–]norwegiandoggo 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's the second best way to learn how to be good with women. Because it allows you to know your sticking points. What you need to work on and improve. It is a relatively fast way to learn why you fail. Especially if you ask help from other guys who are good at picking up women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That’s the thing idk why I am failing. I had success until I moved. I feel like I need to do a complete personality overhaul. And that’s just to much for me I’m not a good actor someone could most def just see through it.
[–]Delicatestatesmen -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I read the post and the info: Here is some help.
1.) Don’t cold approach it rarely works… The reason is you have zero basis to talk or get to know them.
Instead warm approach wait for a sign or a choosing signal to engage or atmosphere that allows it. The only place for cold approach would be a place where its warranted like a singles meet and greet or a dance club or bar and even then its not great.
Things have changed need to look for someone to smile at you or look at you or come in contact with you or speak to you- warm signals of attraction then you can open.
Its ok to ask for number fast, but get their name and find out if they want to grab a drink sometime. Don’t ask if they have a boyfriend or feeling you. Perfectly fine to say your new to area looking for friends. If they have a bf just ask if he is ok with her having friends, of course you don’t want to be friends but you can engage for a few times to see if she is really single, play it smart.
[–]norwegiandoggo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a much more helpful question to ask..why you're failing.
For guys to help you with that, you need to break down what you did in some detail..mostly, why you chose to approach that woman (selecting the right woman to approach), the setting (choosing a good setting to approach), and how you did it (your method of approach). If your selection, setting, and approach is good, then you are much less likely to be rejected. Especially the harsh rejections like that woman gave you will become exceedingly rare if you nail these three components.
[–]Alextryingforgrate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
did you have a lot of friends before you moved or was it all people that you knew before?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk what you mean in the second half. I had like 1 real true friend who I really messed with. It’s prob messed up to say this but a lot of ppl prob saw me the way I saw him but to me they were acquaintances. He got killed 2 years ago. So no real friends but I still talk to a 2 acquaintances who now I’m really valuing as friends. These are the ones in mass.
[–]Alextryingforgrate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure either getting a little late for me. So yeah you had people to hang out with in Mass. So you had a social value. Like in NYC im sure there is some FB group for PUA or seduction or a singles club something to make a couple of friends with even if its platonic chick friends. They always have other friends. Like even for now just take a break on trying to get numbers and just try to make friends with people, who knows you might just get lucky with out trying.
[–]foghatyma 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Non-compatible women are basically filtering themselves out instead of robbing your time.
[–]iamnotcray 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The lesson. Figuring out what didn’t work
[–]Seaboynew 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Are you dudes very ugly or weird ? Or do you hit on every girl you see. I went to a local mall once and asked 6 girls for their number ... I got 3 and the other 3 had bfs... 300 sounds outrageous
[–]JD42305 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I would say most of this board is unlikely to be very attractive. There is a large segment of this PUA scene that truly believes it doesn't matter what you look like, but it's a numbers game. And then they get fooled into these fake pickup artists that have hundreds of videos of them picking up paid actresses. And they will never look inward and realize how awkward or threatening they are and instead insist they need to press harder on the gas pedal and get more aggressive and approach more women.
[–]Seaboynew 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That is sad . i wouldn't say im handsome but I'm probably like a 6.5. Im also tall and I dress fashionable . I have also been hit on maybe 5 times in my life too. Like id shoot myself if I asked 299 girls out and they all said no.. He'll after 50 id just ask a chubby girl out who would probably say yes.. Honestly.. I feel super sorry for these dudes...Maybe they are deformed or something
Edit. Also yeah..Girls don't feel comfortable getting hit on by guys who make them feel threatened or creeped out . The key is to make them feel comfortable at all times
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[–]Seaboynew 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Night game is the best way to pull hotties .i just talk to them and give them a sexual look . Its night and they are horny so they let you fuck because they know u want them badly .. Ive fucked plenty of girls way out of my league from meeting then at concerts or music festivals at night. I saw a hot girl during the day at a festival and approached and she gave me the stink eye. I saw her again at 10 pm then she was rubbing her ass on my hard on and teasing me...Night game is the best
I was gonna chime in and say yeah you only really need to under 10 approaches to close and get a few numbers. I couldnt imagine doing a hundred lol. My max is one a day.
cold approach high rejection and large number of approaches needed before success I would say 10 rejections to 1 ok.
[–]Seaboynew 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its easy af to meet people in nyc..
[–]NJBarFly 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any friends? Go out with them and have them tell you what you're doing wrong that's turning women off.
[–]random_question4123 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve moved almost exclusively to dating apps but recently I picked up a girl while hanging around downtown. I was trying to find my way to the train station and I was absolutely lost and in a huge rush. I was speaking to some other girls (that I was not remotely attracted to) asking for information, and the girl I picked up was eavesdropping on the conversation. In other words, she was pulled into my world. She laughed when she came closer and I smiled back.
Turned out we were heading to the same place. That led to a conversation for a bit, she was probing and asking questions. At the back of my mind, my focus was on making that train, not picking up a girl. I ended up running and leaving her behind because her train was in another 20 minutes or so. Didn’t get her number, didn’t ask, didn’t care.
Ended up missing the train but I saw her again at the station. She was on a call, which she dropped to speak to me. We had some laughs, found out more about ourselves and talked about good food restaurants and I used that as my method of getting her number (instead of providing a few recommendations, why not just give me your number and you can text them to me) and presto! It worked.
Although she was attractive, I wasn’t really attracted to her and I haven’t hit her up since, but that’s not the point anyway. Take what you will out of this.
[–]reddituser_05 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You in the big city now. The women are top shelf. If you don't look like a male model, lower expectations. A NYC 5 is probably a Mass 10!
[–]aerosmith760 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm from mass as well, I don't care what anybody says it is tough sledding here in the northeast
[–]YoBeaverBoy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And no way in hell they are all loyal to him.
This line got my attention. What do you mean by that ? You'd accept to be a girl's affair ? You do you but that's a big no-no in my book. If you'd get together with a girl who's cheating on her partner, there is no guarantee she won't cheat on you as well since you know what she's capable of.
[–]KawlN 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not to mention a possibly violent boyfriend finding out and looking to take it out on you...
[–]ClavasClub 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If someone said "can you please get away from me" that means something so drastic happened the girl didn't make an excuse to get away or if she did she said it and you didn't get it hence why you didn't mention it in the post. I don't have that much dating experience but I would never imagine a girl asking me to get away from her... I'll usually understand waaay earlier in the convo if she's interested or if there's any merit to continue talking to her. Anyway I think you come off as needy or creepy and that's further pushing your frustrations making you come off as even more needier.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
NYC is one of the hardest places to game, but it’s also full of fashion models making it one of the best places. Try approaching models around Soho or areas with modeling agencies, you’d be quite surprised how receptive they are.
[–]Seaboynew 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Eh... Its actually extremely easy to be honest... I was there last week and their are tons of tourists near times square. So their is always new blood.I was checking out this one Arabic girl and she was smiling and waved at me and was playing with her hair quickly. Also their are tons of people in NYC so you have the numbers on your side.
I guess so. I’m only talking about what I’ve heard tbh. I’ve been there but never gamed there. I’d love to go there just to game models though lol.
Its easier to game models in LA tbh. But ive never tried in NYC. Just tons of thots in LA with no self respect . easiest place to game in The US is the Midwest like Milwaukee Wisconsin and Cincinnati Ohio . I had women approaching me and everyone is so friendly there . Almost Every girl would respond to my approaches . Also most of the girls were white and blonde in those areas in the downtown
YES. I live in Chicago and the women are INCREDIBLY receptive. Chicago also has some of the most beautiful women in the country and we have a decent modeling scene. This summer I want to travel to NYC / LA / possibly Miami and do game there. Lmk if there are other cities that are good
[–]Seaboynew 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah ...I totally forgot about Chicago . Women were receptive there too. I just think the Midwest is by far the easiest places to game. Women are friendly and dont have impossible standards. I was scoring with tons of hot blondes. I was walking in Milwaukee and some hot blonde girl went up to me and said wassup and introduced herself. Indianapolis is a great place too because their are tons of friendly blondes. Ive been to Miami and thought it was overrated and humid af. San Jose /san Francisco California aren't bad places if you like Asian women .
[–]UnparliamentaryTea 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
NYC can be a tough place to talk to anyone on the street. Even as a man, think of how many people on the street stop to ask for the time, directions, or money. The women I know in the city tell me lots of stories of men trying to get their attention to flirt with them on the street, so it makes sense that it’s harder to talk to them compared to other parts of the US, especially given the horror stories of muggings and worse. It’s usually easier in bars and clubs where people are going out to have a good time and meet people.
Also remember that people in the city have the reputation of being extremely direct. It’s nice when they’ll practically tell you to take them out and hook up with them, but not as fun when they give a negative response.
Usually I wouldn’t suggest online dating but it seems to be quite a bit better for guys in NYC compared to other places (then again there are a lot more women than men in the city), so consider that as a supplement to in person game. Finally, it sounds like you’re still a young guy. You’re in a city with hundreds of thousands of the most beautiful women your age. It can be tough to be younger as there are model-looking 30 year old millionaires potentially competing with you, but you also have time to improve your game and yourself as well. If the rejections are starting to pile up too much, you can take a little time to focus on yourself and your own needs and goals. Remember to enjoy the journey, it’s not all about the destination
Eh... Its actually extremely easy to be honest... I was there last week and their are tons of tourists downtown. So their is always new blood.I was checking out this one Arabic girl and she was smiling and waved at me and was playing with her hair quickly. Also their are tons of people in NYC so you have the numbers on your side
[–]kj9876543 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hi /u/4ever_Bronze your post has triggered my to write a follow-up to a similar question I posted 3 years ago. So here is my answer to you, but in a separate post: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/rv9ff1/a\_followup\_to\_1000\_approaches\_lots\_of\_instant/
Thank you for this post.
[–]i_love_crazy_hobos 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
None is too much. Every approach is a win. You need to work on changing your frame to seeing this as a positive. Make very slow progress over time.
If you’re getting insulted and called a creep now; try to find out where you’re fucking up and maybe get called a creep a little less next month. Keep making incremental improvements and realize that this is about you recreating yourself. It’s going to take a shitload of work. This process is a fucking bitch for all of us, but if you’re out doing it every day it gets much easier. You have to keep failing, to be able learn what the right and wrong steps to take are.
Also you gotta find some wings to go out with, who will help you see what you’re doing wrong. You’re in NYC which is great. There will be a massive pickup community there. Go online and find it and find some wings to meet with.
[–]svengeance_for_sven 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The female population has moved to an appointment-only model for being hit-on.
[–]rustoof 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't want a BS answer but it's not something that can be answered like that. I could fire off 10000 dms to Instagram models and get 0 results.
If you're making quality approaches, you're actually attempting to close and you have good logistics then I would say 20 rejections in a row is a problem. But again your standards might be too high. But your standards for how low you're willing to stoop might also be too high.
Are you willing to identify a woman's vulnerabilities and use them against her to make her crave your approval? It's fine not to do that but you're gonna need more approaches. Are you willing to take a woman home who is pretty drunk? You definitely shouldn't do that but it's gonna mean you need more approaches. Are you willing to provide a party girl with drugs with the understanding that if she doesn't want to go through withdrawal she needs to put out? If not your gonna need more approaches.
Are your logistics solid? Do you live walking distance or a short uber from night game hotspots?
There is a lot that goes into this. And if you're not willing to put in a lot of time and effort, make some questionable moral decisions and experience heartbreak from both sides then you're gonna need a lot alot of approaches.
I know a security guard at a local store who approaches every woman hotter than a 5 and is not willing to spend any time or money but just invites them to "chill" he probably gets rejected several hundred or more times to each lay. But he's doing 50 plus approaches a day. I get maybe 3 or 4 rejections for every date but I calibrate super hard, and know they're not gonna be down before I ever put myself out there. So on that basis I also get several hundred rejections for every lay, but they're really me ejecting when I know it's not worth the effort.
If it's worth it to you you'll do it. If it's not you wont.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I updated my post. I don’t think I have ever approached a girl who I believe is “vulnerable” especially not from dugs or alcohol. Also I don’t believe in “leagues” the only place I see “league” being applicable is when you are talking to a gold digger. Other than that any 6/10 man should be able to get a dime who is in a neutral mental state in about 30 attempts. Also I may only be 5’8 but I do receive a lot of female attention. I have had attractive women basically come up to me and joke about sucking my dick out of the blue, highschool teachers hit on me, and even had a girl almost run me over just to get my attention so she could offer me a ride to work. Of course I’m not attractive to everyone but at the very least I don’t see how I could be less than a 5 or 6 to any human being. But yeah considering this new info how many rejections is too much?
[–]foghatyma 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then there is something clearly wrong with your communication skills.
I always felt kinda weird but when I ask people if I am they say nah your good. So idk. It could be all these rejections are making me think a lot more about what I am saying and how the person is reacting. which may be making me seem more socially inept. But idk. I have found myself caring a lot more about what ppl think about me. In high school idgaf.
[–]sunkized 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Are you on the spectrum OP? I am and use to behave this way. I was obsessed with a yes and kept track of all rejections. Sadly I don't have good advice. I never gained real confidence. I just started doing drugs and it numbed me enough so I could finnaly not care about rejection.
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[–]sunkized 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What drugs do you take? My main are alcohol and weed.
Don’t really take any at all for the most part. Sometimes I get lucky and get a perc ik is 100% real. So once a year type thing. Weed has really started to bring me down. Not like how the percs do tho. The weed gives me so much anxiety and honestly brings out all my demons. Like I am having a constant mental battle to not off myself when on it. It just makes me really sad. As for alcohol never really did it. Hated the taste of it and how ppl acted when they were on it. Also if I’m in a setting where alcohol is involved I can prob get some percs to and I don’t wanna mix them together.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I hope I don’t come off as too weird but I looked at your profile to make sure you weren’t a cop and I found it pretty intriguing. I never thought of how the lesbians were doing. Idk if you would consider yourself a fem or masc but looking at it dating would prob be hell for a masc. since high school I always knew gay guys who found their way in to gay circles were living pretty fulfilling lives tho. Honestly wished I was gay for some time. life just seems way better as long as you stay in those circles. Honestly please get off the drugs. To enjoy being really fucked up out of your mind your life has to be going well. Ik it may not seem this way but you gotta think about it like your neighborhood crackhead vs some billionaire doing blow. One is living a mundane life and for the most part just chasing a fantasy that makes his life worse and worse to the point where they need it to even want to live. The other is making boss moves and just trying to reach peak ascension( I use peak ascension To describe the happiest anyone can possibly be). Don’t think I explained this well but w.e. Really have no advice when it comes to dating for you. But if men find you attractive you are doing good if you want to be a fem. the women giving you dirty looks are just haters you don’t want to surround yourself with. If you are masc however you need to get more masc. guys liking you is prob a sign your too fem and will get girls who are fake gay.
Edit: even if you are taking drugs to get over anxiety it’s really just not progressive at all. Also idc what anyone says most confidence is found in middle school. I think every child is pretty confident at an early age but once you get to middle school the way your peers treat you will basically indicate your confidence level for life. Turning you into mainly an introvert or extrovert without much change in the future.
[–]sunkized 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you were gay your sex life would improve. Gay men complain about the same thing straight women do. That men just want sex. I'm just trying to cope and not off myself before the end of the year. I literally need to be strapped to a bed. I'm at the point I'm down to OD and rest
I feel like in more aspects of life tho. But you might be right im only looking in from the outside. Also I feel you on this although I’ve “upgraded” to just waiting for death.
Yes I dress too fem. I almost transitioned two years ago. After doing research I would never be able to have a functional penis. There are too many things that could go wrong. Also, I'm very short 5'1. Being a short male is torture. If I was 5'11. Screw it. I would make the switch and deal with having a 4 inch clit
Yeah dress more masc. Don’t transition pls this a very niche market. Most Trans people wouldn’t even date another trans person. In addition trans people face a lot of adversity and if your fam doesn’t support your decision you could end up in some terrible positions in life. Idk how old you are but wait until at least 30 before you off yourself. If you can’t find happiness at that age chances are you prob never will. I’m too much of a coward to off myself and I don’t want my fam to feel any guilt about it. So I’m just waiting to die really. This mentality of mine is prob turning women off the most.
[–]Head-Combination-299 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Im from Cali. Lived in and around Boston for a year. Boston dudes are DIFFERENT! Boston females are way DIF. Too. What part of MASS are you from?
AND If you are on your way somewhere, they are likely too. And maybe they do not wanna be late or rushed or feel pressure just cuz they gotta get somewhere and you are interfering with the schedule to try and get laid.
(( Friday I gave my number to someone. He was dang fine - ultimately was way too young for me to be speaking to and I had to Block him Saturday. He claimed to be an artists and I was kinda interested in that. But it was a lie to try and get laid lol - I told him I was celibate and he was asking about my dog and showed me his- he was a classic predator but I am a sucker for a puppy play date. ))
I tend to not give out my number. That and cuz Im really not interested in hook ups right now.
Ppl may simply genuinely not be interested in being pursued.
If you are eager to meet someone- try online so then you know where they stand as dar as if they are interested.
Also... They are passing on you. Ifs not really rejection. You're taking a BLIND gamble AND they are for sure probably telling the truth- they simply are not interested.
[–]mrantonie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I understand you're trying to help but you a celibate girl asking out ''younger'' guys (I guess you're in your thirties then) isn't having the same problems as a guy in his 20's who is getting constantly rejected by girls.
I also wonder how a guy you met friday goes from a ''dang fine artist oh my god'' into a predator after 12 hours of talking about his puppy what is going on LOL.
[–]Head-Combination-299 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who said I ASKED ANYONE OUT? That is not
The point is- When men approach me- I tend to say " no thanks."
I gave him my number only cuz of potential puppy play date.
My puppy collects friends but we dont do dog parks cuz she was bit and Im not about that shit.
Mr predator - The young one went from regular chit chat about his dogs and showing pics to taking about sex - aggressively and non stop. Out of nowhere and asking for it.
So I asked his age and it was revealed he was still a child basically.
Worst is- I have experienced this with males older and my age-
I do not think being rejected is a big deal- females are harassed al the time and its just too much.
The approach, timing and location matter as well as the fact that no one owes anyone anything.
[–]aidsjohnson -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man it’s just a numbers game. Don’t take shit too personally, women are emotional creatures and a no could easily turn into a yes if the circumstances are right. Don’t let those “no” bitches ruin your confidence at finding a “yes” bitch. Being a man is all about how well you take rejection and get back up, don’t worry bro. Good luck king.
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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude, you DON'T want an NYC girl...They are all fluff and no substance. If it's not in the city or nearby, they are useless. Constant complaining, crazy expectations, always thinking about status and very masculine when the speak....ugh!!!
You're dodging bullets left and right. Try to match with women 30-45 minutes away. Not even the burrows. Especially, if you're an outdoors person.
Good luck to you!
Long before I did daygame I walked up to a model years ago in Central Park and she was super nice. Women in NYC are not all rude.
[+]JacobMoogberg69 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One is too many.
[–]goldwave84 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Tell us more about yourself OP?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wym
[–]goldwave84 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]goldwave84 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Give us a background on you?
[–]raulonastool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a salesman walked up to you at a car lot and asked for your credit card information you would tell him to get the hell away from you, too lol. Don't go straight for the number. Have a conversation and talk to the girl first. "Hi, how are you?" with a smile on your face is a better pickup line than "can I get your number?"
[–]splendidEdge 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]tofutunasalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]No-Pay9075 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there is no number.
I mean, do you think if some guy who looked like Danny devito at his age now, but was approaching hot 18 year old girls he wouldn't get basically 100% of the time even if he had 'game'? He could make 2000 appraoches and get rejected every time even if he was super charasmatic and confident (had game)
So it's really all about the various variables.
A rejection either means you're not her type, or your 'game' is so bad that it makes overrides her physical attraction since she's now scared that you'll kill her or something lol
It really is a numbers game. Just keep going.
[–]joel1112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro just means you need to improve or hit on "lower level" girls, i like the latter, get attractive, gym, face, clothes and/or get more money
[–]SnooMachines1406 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
bro as long as you know you were polite then it is what it is. Part of cold approach is battling your inner self doubt. Women will say things that make you feel like a creep even if what you said was perfectly normal. You're gonna have to learn to tune what others say out and go with what you believe. The same thing happen to me I cold approach two girls at the mall this weekend they ignored me didn't realize they were and just thought they didn't hear me I asked their name and they looked back and said "why are you following us" I apologized and went on my way. At first I beat myself up thinking I was a creep but then I just learned to let it go. I did over 100 approaches and said the same thing and got better reactions so it most be something wrong with them not me, whether or not that is true I'm gonna believe it.
[–]cronasminate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I honestly didn’t think this was possible. I saw guys go up to girls in high school and they would say ew and I never thought something similar would ever happen to me.
This is why judging other people is a double-edged sword. You feel superior to them, but it traps you from doing anything because you never want to be them. What happens is the person just stays on their self-forged tower of superiority holding on to their ego.
This is why cold approach is superior. It makes you check your ego. No one is above rejection. It breaks down your preconceived notion of who you are and forced to accept facts for what they are. It forces you to think logically otherwise you'll just keep approaching for the slightest bit of approval and then never approach again in fear of being hurt again.
[–]Unoi8ub4 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find that when I meet a new fuck buddy for the first time (after having asked a lot of the people I had fucked) they seem to really respond to my body language and posture when I was around them. I look directly at a person when I speak with them, I do not fiddle with my hands or look away from them (I don't stare, I just make sure to make eye contact) I have a deeper voice which almost everyone seems to love. I figured out when I was a lot younger to actually pay attention to what people around me were saying and even more importantly how they were saying it and their body language while doing so.
Actually give responses to things that they say or ask not just a "yeah I been there"
Action, observation, interaction. Say hello and smile as you look them in the eye. Observe how they react to this gesture. Go from there.
Also another thing. You DON'T have to approach a woman every time you see her. Just say hello and smile and move on. More often then not we are all creatures of habit. Of you ran into a person once more then likely unless they move or you do then you will do so again. The second or third time you have seen them said hello or have a great day to them is when you then ask for a number. They have seen you around a bit, got to see you from different angles over time. They HOPEFULLY have not seen your ass in the news so by now for something stupid like speeding so you "feel" more comfortable to them.
Also do try to clean up your language if you swear a fair bit. Most people are not turned on or find swearing sexy or hot. Have a friend that doesn't that one..tried to warn them haha.
So it seems like you might be doing things wrong here… girls don’t really give their number within 5 minutes of knowing someone, because if you were a creep then i’d have to change number! Instagram or social media is much better since I could simply block you if things were to go wrong. Don’t go and talk to girls with a goal to get their number, talk to them to show genuine interest, and be happy if they decide to give you some sort of contact.
[–]loofyd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
here's a numerical answer : ∞
where " ∞ " means no upper limit
change your approach
rejection has different reasons, find yours
[–]damiancontrol 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop with this "numbers game" mentality and actually start calibrating and learning from your rejections instead of just "going for it" like these dweebs like to preach.
[–]ZealousidealFile1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Were your results different in other city/country, and Iin what way? Also don't mass approach that's berry harmful for your mental health & growth especially if youre getting way too much rejected
[–]anoyingprophet 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you're going about cold approach all wrong. Don't ask for her number first 5 minutes. Go up to a girl not with the purpose of getting her number, but for the purpose of finding out if the two of you have any chemistry. During the convo, if you feel a vibe, go with the flow. When you get to the point where the convo is coming to an end, ask for her snap or number, but it should be because the two of you made some kind of plan to see each other again.
The way you're going about this seems to me like you watch too many of those pua youtube videos. This method is not impossible, but it's likely you'll get a bunch of rejections, and the purpose of this method is really to desensitize you for rejection so that you can build the courage to talk to girls. It is not the most optimal way of actually getting results, because it's not an example of game at all.
[–]poly_nerdy_panda 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds to me like you need to work on your fundamentals or you're dressed like shit too, also covid... fundamentals meaning don't come off creepy, don't drool all over her talking about her looks how sexy she is etc.. smile and just say "hey can I come to talk to you for a second, I'm not trying to sell you something" (since your In NYC)
also if I were you I would drop doing street game altogether in NYC everyone thinks your trying to con them.. instead I would find where the girls are ie ballet, yoga, etc... you can lie and tell them you got in a bad car accident and your physical therapy said to do ballet for example. invite those girls out even if they are not your type!!
[–]Bellairtrix 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe try a diff setting like asking for someone’s number on the street vs the bars/cafe? I feel like people in New York wanna get to know you for more than 5 mins before giving their number. There’s a lot of people & creeps that you don’t want to come off as one.
[–]ForeignAttitude4471 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man, you're approaching girls in the middle ot their day routine and within 5 min you expect them to give you their number. Unless you're godlike beautiful/charming or you build an instant connection this shit ain't working with most of them
[–]Chicagoj1563 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I view seduction as a skill you are trying to learn. Getting caught up in your head about it when you are first learning doesn't make much sense. As long as you learn from each interaction and try to identify what you are doing wrong, you will keep moving forward.
I think you are too caught up in your results right now. But, the real question is are you trying to learn a new skill in social dynamics, or just playing the numbers game? Either way, try to get out of your head and be sure you are learning from each interaction. Try to focus on the process, or the skills you are trying to learn. Don't worry so much about the current results (again, as long as you are improving and learning).
[–]TreeCommercial44 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When I was single I had on and off months some months I had 5 successful dates in a row other months I had 5 first date fails in a row point being its all about compatibility sometimes you get lucky and meet compatible people other times unlucky and have a string of 1st dates that lead nowhere.
Don't let it get you down though if you haven't had any luck yet this is totally normal and part of the dating process. You're more than likely not ugly if you're getting dates and it has more to do with meeting people you're incompatible with.
[–]TurkeyBaconClubberin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My dude. You're in New York city. You either better look like a fucking rock star or have Jay-Z levels of money to attract a girl from New York.
They'd rather be packed 20 girls deep like sardines into a VIP booth at the night club surrounding 1 celebrity who couldn't give a single fuck about any of them. Than spend 1 solitary second of attention on a dude who's less than Jason Momoa hot or Warren Buffet rich.
JEEZ lmao. What is this NYC place you speak of ? Sounds worse than California (I know its new york lol)
[–]Inevitable_Meeting88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
remember cold approach is hard
[–]bigpizza87 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Check out this guy’s tips. MPMD is the man and he has a lot of self help/pick up advice. I don’t recall if it’s that video or not, but poke around his channel and I’m sure you’ll find something.
Also doesn’t hurt to be somewhat jacked and attractive
[–]Phoenix-King77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this is what you do. this is what I do and its like a 50/50
if you see a cool girl go up and smile and say hey whats your name.
how she responds will show level of interest. if she gives a blunt emma. then she probably is not interested. but if she says emma in a good happy tone she probably is interested. now if she says "my name is emma whats yours" she is most defiantly probably interested.
Then you as her are you from around here. This is so you know how fast you need to act on the date if you get that far
then after that acknowledge where you are at and end it. What I mean by this is like if your in a mall say
"I know your busy shopping so I'll let you continue but do you have a number or insta I can grab"
or if your at a club or social event say something like " I know your here hanging with your friends so I wont bother you but do you have a number or insta I can grab"
She will say no or yes. if she says yes win. if she says no just say "no problem enjoy your day" Don't try to force and have a super long conversation. a lot of guys disqualify themselves doing this becasuse she might find something she doenst like about you. you want to be more mysterious so doing this all in 30 seconds works well. It's really this simple. don't over complicate it
[–]SuaveFuck 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A LIFETIME would be too many. other than that, hey, if she's rude, all the better, thank her for letting you know how unsuitable she is and move on.
[–]GoldenFrieza_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know how many is too much but I've been trying for 10+ years and am at 865 rejections with 0 being a Yes, a 100% success rate at being rejected
[–]External_Lifeguard49 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No such things as too much rejection. Stop making the game about women and results. The game is about you.
[–]the_monkey_knows 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don’t hit on someone until after she’s intrigued/interested/attracted to you. Asking for a phone number within 5 minutes of probably generic small talk will be a huge turn off for most people.
[–]takeyourtime5000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any more than one. I dont take rejection well. It's like hitting your hand with a hammer. Ya you could eventually yet numb to it, but why.
[–]Phai_H 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn’t really matter.
Rejection is just part of the game.
Shooters shoot.
All you need is one to succeed.
[–]Ok_Ingenuity9277 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be process oriented, treat each interaction like an experiment. For some of them, pay attention to your body language. Others, pay attention to your voice. Some other times pay attention to her body language etc. It’s not about success rate, it’s about gaining experience, and you’ll level up with enough experience built.
[–]Jedi_Mind_Trip 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think 3 is the absolute limit... for one woman, over a period of time. I'm not certain about that, but I am certain that I have been rejected a ton, in a small town, and I am a conventionally handsome man. Just keep on trucking man, I think you'll find your way.
Your completely right I felt like that when I came back to Nyc. But, I’m telling you keep going cause Nyc girls are more blunt by nature, however once they like you they really like you it’s no game and they would even initiate the moves towards the bedroom. I rather get a real yes then a bullshit yes that really means no but I’m just trying to be nice.
[–]fungchangwang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too many*
[–]BigShuggy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With a single girl? One if it’s the kind you received. With multiple girls? As many as it takes for you to get it right.
[–]PaxHumanitus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rejection is irrelevant to me unless I’m in love with the person doing it. Thankfully that has never been a problem. I’m lucky enough in love now that I have three, nearly four long term partners who all have powerful feelings for me. I’m ethically non-monogamous, so they all know everything about each other and how our interactions have gone.
A bit of advice: Stop hunting and become the bait. Rejection isn’t going to happen if they’re coming to you.
Your more aggressive style is throwing people off. Refine yourself and your life in positive ways. Learn to broadcast confidence with your body language whether or not the confidence is real.
I know you asked for numbers instead of words, but if that kind of pattern setup can get me three, nearly four serious partners and a black book full of submissives, it can get you one partner.
[–]NewCommonSensei 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Infinity
[–]Evry1cansuckit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't even keep count, just learn and move on to the next...it'll work out
Bruh I don't know how can you feel like this, Like literally each time I get rejected I get uplifted and can't stop smiling because I actually got myself to do it.
You need to look each rejection as an opportunity to grow and improve your game, examine how everything went and try to see what you did wrong. At the end you're not getting mentally fucked up but the total opposite.
You will obtain what is called social freedom my friend, and that is way better than any used up pussy
[–]SteveMonroe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From the day I was born till today (17 years old Male) I've rejected someone 8 times.
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