Anti-Feminist Lawyer Plans Lawsuit to Force Women to Register for Draft

ShitlordAndProud · 2014-10-18T20:20:56+00:00

This is what we need.

And before anybody says it, I'm not in favor of the draft either, but as long as we have it, it should be applied equitably, especially if, as we're told, women can fight alongside men on the front line.

Anyone who opposes this now is just utterly shameless.

Space_Ninja · 2014-10-18T22:14:39+00:00

Hurray for equality! Real feminist should be all for this, since that's what they say they want, right?

Workchoices · 2014-10-19T00:38:47+00:00

How can it be anti-feminist if feminism means equality between the sexes right?

right?

oh.

existee · 2014-10-18T23:57:05+00:00

I think feminists would agree that the draft should be applied equally to all.

UneasySeabass · 2014-10-18T23:18:35+00:00

Why not try to get rid of the draft entirely?

infernalsatan · 2014-10-19T10:39:56+00:00

Anything that puts responsibility on women so they have to do the same as men is anti-feminist.

Did I just heard someone say feminism is about gender equality, not just favourism in women?

xNOM · 2014-10-18T22:41:38+00:00

There is already an NCFM lawsuit?

ugly_duck · 2014-10-19T02:48:31+00:00

For the past year, Hollander has been trying to find a female plaintiff between ages 18 and 25 to act as the lead representative of his case.

Are none of the Honey Badgers viable candidates? Or any female MRA that frequent this subreddit?

existee · 2014-10-19T02:22:58+00:00

Technically aren't they a pro-feminist? I mean they are pushing for equality between men and women.

NotARealAtty · 2014-10-19T02:31:45+00:00

Why does he need a woman to file his lawsuit? Why not a man who is being gender discriminated by being forced to draft.

MrsEtcheto · 2014-10-19T04:11:18+00:00

as much as I would hate having to sign up for a draft, sadly this seems like the best and possibly only way to get rid of the draft selective service bullshit anyway. There will be a huge uproar from women and feminist groups, itll be in the head lines and then maybe just maybe someone will have the good sense to go "instead lets force a lawsuit to get rid o it entirely". Demanding that women get treated to the same expectations as men is regrettably often the only way to remove those expectations all together.

the_hunchback · 2014-10-19T11:54:03+00:00

A much, much, much, much better solution would be to remove the draft altogether.

scanspeak · 2014-10-19T12:29:52+00:00

Any woman that opposes the equality of sexes regarding registering for the service should be given a white feather.

Phototoxin · 2014-10-19T13:23:03+00:00

I know logically, its not a good idea for women to be in combat, physical strength etc, however if this is the penalty for being a man then there should be some benefit, as it stands there isn't.

viciousvixen26 · 2014-10-19T19:07:49+00:00

Why don't they just get rid of the stupid thing and have a mandatory service requirement like other countries. At least one year civic/military service and call it a day. And in the interest of full disclosure I am a 92y Army Reservist who served for six years and am on IRR.

Ranger_Rose · 2014-10-19T03:27:24+00:00

Please correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression Feminism is about equal rights for women, meaning to be treated equally as men? This isn't an anti-feminist lawyer, he is vieing for women to be treated as men in this situation. Right?

aegorrivers · 2014-10-18T22:54:30+00:00

OMG! This is like totally not feminism. You just want women to die! Feminists hate the draft too, but it's like totally ok for men to be drafted and carted off to their deaths for two reasons:

It's like totes the fault of the patriarchy! Men are drafting other men! Like, didn't you know that if one person commits a crime against another person, if that person shares the same gender as the victim, it's not a crime anymore? Duh.
We like need to save all those women being oppressed by ISIS! How do you expect them to free themselves? We, I mean men, have the moral obligation to die for those women. Duh.

/end sarcasm.

LazarWulf · 2014-10-19T02:55:11+00:00

This doesn't sound like the act of an "anti-feminist" at all, more like quite the opposite. This sounds like a true feminist act. Equality for both sexes.

Workchoices · 2014-10-19T00:40:31+00:00

Equality!

throwaway · 2014-10-19T02:05:06+00:00

“It’s kind of like dating,” he explained in an interview. “First they say yes, then no, then maybe, then no.”

Not a pick-up artist, then, I suppose.

minkcoat · 2014-10-19T01:07:05+00:00

How about instead of forcing women to register for the draft, we get rid of the draft entirely?

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2014-10-19T03:15:56+00:00

Isn't demanding women are on the same level as men technically feminist?

cabose4prez · 2014-10-19T04:32:14+00:00

Question, if I am against women in the army how should I feel about this?

I like the equality but I don't like women in the army for various reasons, so I feel like I should be against this while appreciating the want for equality of this lawyer

SpecOps2000 · 2014-10-19T04:43:55+00:00

Do any other countries force women to do compulsory service? I know that's not what the selective service is, but I'm curious.

2014-10-19T04:56:55+00:00

I will become a feminist the day that women are drafted into an armed force. When there are women fighting on the front lines.

How lucky I am knowing that will never happen. :)

2014-10-19T04:59:56+00:00

oooh i'm gonna get into the body armour for ladies market.

izi_ningishzidda · 2014-10-19T05:23:23+00:00

What he is trying to do is PRO Feminist. I agree that sexual dimorphism is a major issue, but females can still serve as medics, chaplains and other base duties that would free up men to do more physically demanding labor.

When you get in the military there's still a minimum height/weight and physical ability restriction though.

These things should be decided b y military experts on a panel and if men get drafted at 18 women should too.

I am a female.

rapscallionx · 2014-10-19T05:32:41+00:00

People should research Roy den Hollander before they jump on board with his cause. He's kind of a retarded douche. His interviews are embarrassing to anyone supporting a mens rights cause, especially regarding the lawsuit involving ladies nights at bars and nightclubs being unconstitutional. I'm not saying that it's not discriminatory but he doesn't come off as an intelligent rational person.

Insula92 · 2014-10-19T06:38:43+00:00

The constitution says men and women are equal.

Except when they aren't.

FuriousMouse · 2014-10-19T07:33:34+00:00

As someone not from North America, I thought the draft had been abandoned a long time ago.

But why are women exempt ?? You are basically robbing young men of a few years of their lives which they could use to get education or other useful skills. And women are not required to give theirs?

murt · 2014-10-19T10:13:21+00:00

Good man Mr. den Hollander, the embodiment of "He for She". A man standing for womens rights while the feminists turn a blind eye to another inconvenient equality issue. If only Emma Watson was American, I'm sure she'd take up the case. The truth is that women don't want that kind of equality, and they don't want equal judicial sentences or equal child custody rights either. It's a very selective kind of equality that most feminists are fighting for.

CyberAly · 2014-10-19T12:08:41+00:00

If nothing else it should bring the issue some mainstream attention.

scanspeak · 2014-10-19T12:25:26+00:00

Women keep telling us they can endure pain better than men so I say put them on the front lines.

uton_gili · 2014-10-19T13:20:06+00:00

Sounds pro-feminist rather than anti-feminist.

2014-10-19T19:48:39+00:00

Maybe this is a little off topic, but I love how big of a hypocrisy the draft is compared to republican fiscal policy. With the economy, the republican party is absolutely obsessed with fairness to the benefit of those best equippped to handle the financial burden. Yet with the draft, they place the burden on those who they feel best handle the burden of warfare at the expense of fairness.

CatchPhraze · 2014-10-21T14:13:30+00:00

The catch is that woman had to fight for the right to even do active duty in american militia. So in a sense this is a step towards equality but its likely to upset more men then woman.

minkcoat · 2014-10-19T03:15:02+00:00

The comments on this story over at /r/politics are interesting. Almost unanimous agreement from men, women, feminists, etc. that the draft sucks but if it's gotta exist it should be equal.

MightierThanThou · 2014-10-19T02:22:10+00:00

I understand the idea behind this, but do you really think it would be good for our military in the event of the war that there were as many women as men in combat?

Women in the military, as it stands, require special treatment and resources that men don't. Women are not as strong as men. Women require separate facilities for hygiene and I imagine for sleeping quarters as well. That just complicates things.

Since women are obviously less physically capable than men, standards would be lowered to allow more women to get positions in the military that, if they were held to the same standard as men, they wouldn't get. That sounds dangerous to me.

We shouldn't allow politics to handicap our military.

HisokaX · 2014-10-19T00:44:21+00:00

Here's The Link. Women In the Infantry: A common Sense Approach

The major thing to think about when Wether female solders should be I combat roles is this. Being able to pass the initial screening of a combat school versus being overseas in a combat billet or job is completely different.

The argument that there are women working out in gyms or professional athletes that can pass the standard doesn't mean that you can hack in the field. A women would have to work much harder on diet, training, recovery to be able to meet the physical standards to graduate a class. From some of my teammates and friend in Afghanistan they didn't have those opportunities to maintain their physical capacity like a female athlete would need to keep up with the guys. Guys are much more easily capable of keeping that physical standard in austere environments. Granted most of them lost lots of weight and muscle mas while serving over there. I'm not saying there aren't women who couldn't do the extra work it'd take to keep up with the guys but it's not worth the extra millions if dollars to create the facilities for a few women to pass through.

Edit: Now that I found the link my point isn't need as much. Removed some stuff.

Sendmeloveletters · 2014-10-19T03:26:36+00:00

I want to get in on that suit about the bottle service shit. Should be illegal for sure.

besaolli · 2014-10-19T13:52:01+00:00

I joined this sub because I believe a man can stand up for himself when he is treated unjustly and still be a man. Today I am rethinking that decision. I have just read some of the most un-manly things I have ever read on this sub. It's embarrassing! Women should be in the military only if they want to! Forcing women into traditional male roles has nothing to do with a men's rights. Shame on us!

konoplya · 2014-10-19T02:11:32+00:00

yes, lets force others to do things just because someone is forcing us to do things. flawless logic.

Title	Anti-Feminist Lawyer Plans Lawsuit to Force Women to Register for Draft
Author	rsashe1980
Upvotes	757
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Date	October 18, 2014 8:09 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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