Here is the real problem

wtknight · 2023-09-29T18:24:56+00:00

Re-flaired CMV as this post is making an affirmative claim

Slipthe · 2023-09-29T17:54:20+00:00

I blame the internet.

For its escapism, but also for making a lot of things just seem worse than reality because of how things are fed to you algorithmically.

Safinated · 2023-09-29T17:52:32+00:00

Most people are coming here with personal problems like being unattractive and antisocial, and arguing that they are global problems. There’s been a bunch today already

nonplussedminus · 2023-09-29T18:14:25+00:00

There are definitely things that could be done to help alleviate or even fix these problems. You are just downplaying societal responsibility while emphasizing personal responsibility. It's like saying "Poor people just need to work harder on themselves." The whole thinking is very neoliberal.

Icy_Ordinary2025 · 2023-09-29T18:31:25+00:00

Thats like trying to solve world hunger. All the smart scientists in the world haven't figure out how to do it.

They have.

Capitalism won't allow it.

What can you do to solve your loneliness or sexlessness problem.

Agreed. It would be nice if folks could take accountability. Instead, they just rage online and spew hate.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-09-29T21:25:13+00:00

Every guy's solution or fix will not be the same as well. Some guy's will need to establish a social circle, others will need to hit the gym. Some guy's will need to improve their finances, travel to another country or even get plastic surgery. One size does not fit all and it's your responsibility to figure out what's your best play and no one else's.

MxMaster9907 · 2023-09-29T20:46:27+00:00

Dudes here be spending 24 hours on their basements playing videogames and complaining why they can’t find a gf

ShivasRightFoot · 2023-09-29T21:34:00+00:00

But you cannot solve a problem at such a global scale. Thats like trying to solve world hunger. All the smart scientists in the world haven't figure out how to do it.

You can only solve specific, definitive problems on a personal level.

TFW you have a complete absence of any sense of civic responsibility. This sort of parasitic disregard of your responsibilities to society is a prime example of what some people call degeneracy.

Also, the Redpill is literally exactly what you are describing in accepting the present state of social norms as-is and adapting yourself to it to accomplish your own goals. They distinguish themselves from Men's Rights activists in this way (or rather they are segregated theoretically this way, there is likely overlap in individuals advocating MRA while practicing RP).

Financial_Leave4411 · 2023-09-30T21:37:42+00:00

Here I thought the problem was that society is only focused on men.

Male loneliness, male virginity; clearly men want sex but women don’t so why is no one asking women what they want?

Men keep telling women what they want and that approach isn’t bringing women to the table. If men and society want women to participate by having sex/kids then they need to figure out what women want and offer that to women.

Otherwise women will continue to walk away, the birth rate will continue to decline and men will continue to suffer with loneliness and sexlessness.

mrcs84usn · 2023-09-29T19:16:32+00:00

I think the real problem is that not enough people give a fuck about men’s issues, and that includes other men. And the instances where men DO try to create male spaces (MRAs for instance), they are grossly sanitized, infiltrated by women, and/or demonized as misogynistic.

SierraMistSoda · 2023-09-29T18:55:20+00:00

You know men could always be in a relationship but they don't want to settle for less than what they want either. Watching porn of a hot women is better than a 300 pound girlfriend to them.

JNRoberts42 · 2023-09-29T18:02:31+00:00

Thats like trying to solve world hunger. All the smart scientists in the world haven't figure out how to do it.

Scientists figured it out a century ago. The problem is sociopolitical.

What can you do to solve your loneliness or sexlessness problem.

Their problem is sociopolitical.

Sea-Law4961 · 2023-09-29T18:29:39+00:00

No. The government has all the power to make long-term passive improvements to the SMP.

cracking down on OF and commercial(payed) porn
limiting social media influence
encourage city planning for third spaces
pro-masculine propaganda
recalibrate marriage/divorce laws

There's so much shit you can do if you literally puppet the entire media/political/economic/social industries. Except you don't b/c the US isn't a true rep democracy. It's ruled by the big companies and hidden aristocrats and the very power-conservative nature is baked into the system.

Amiskon2 · 2023-09-29T17:57:18+00:00

A lot of these supposed "social crisis in men" are not a thing, but manipulations to try to make men work and pay taxes for single women and their bastards.

For example, men are shamed by society for living with parents, even if that is probably the only way men today save money to buy a house. Just work 5-10 years, living with parents, and you will have enough for at least a down payment.

Yet society tell those men they have to work, pay rent, and then go to a lonely apartment... for what? To keep running a society that hates you?

macone235 · 2023-09-29T18:00:09+00:00

The issue is societal, not personal. A man becoming a higher value male just pushes someone else down the ladder, and then you will have a new man complaining. Your idea of problem solving isn't actually solving a problem. It's deflecting it like a hot potato until it burns everyone.

Laziestguy17 · 2023-09-30T17:32:30+00:00

Well we had a solution why all older generations throughout ages didn't give women rights now we can clearly see why they did it was it because they were dumb and evil ?no they knew female beings are Mother of all evil.Remove all female rights and we all Will have decent society

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waffleznstuff30 · 2023-09-29T23:26:01+00:00

Here's what needs to happen. Men as a whole need to decenter women, sex, and relationships. All the advice geared towards men and self help is geared towards dating and relationships and how to score...make yourself more appealing. It's not geared in finding fulfillment in life finding peace within yourself.. People need direction and purpose and you have a bunch of men disenfranchised because of the women's lib movement and the economy being terrible. But men can progress as well and find something new find new purpose and meaning self actualize. Men should form communities and support other men. Men should tie their value not by how many women's pants they slip into but who they are as people. Women are commodities to these folks which leads to that bitter resentment they feel. Because why do these people get them and I don't. And it leads to dissatisfied parties in relation to the other gender.

Raising boys self esteem/self worth would be crucial. Decentering sex and relationships and find value within themselves. Encourage hands on hobbies with other boys. Establishing healthy male spaces. Therapy geared towards men.

And I think we would solve a lot of the issues with sexlessness/loneliness.

Jasontheperson · 2023-09-30T01:32:50+00:00

Absolutely agree. So many dudes throw around statistics about women without thinking about the context. Like say a survey said that 75% of American women preferred men with beards. That's a solid majority, but in a place as big as the US 25% of 300 something million people is a huge population, like the size of a large metropolitan area who like clean shaven dudes.

Proudvow · 2023-09-30T03:05:10+00:00

Do you say that to everyone who complains about societal problems?

Or just the ones whose complaints you don't like?

Title	Here is the real problem
Author	AceOfSpadesGymBro
Upvotes	23
Comments	108
Date	September 29, 2023 5:48 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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