FR - Girls DO care about looks

Douglex · 2019-07-20T03:52:11+00:00

I became fearless when I realized that most women already made up their minds about me before I approached. Guys think you have to use a bunch of techniques, but you just need to know how to not sound stupid.

When a woman really wants you she'll do most of the work by positioning herself for you to make certain moves. It's up to you to know what the right move is.

HostileErectile · 2019-07-20T11:21:00+00:00

Be good looking and know how to speak without sounding stupid and you will 100% get laid.

Murfdigidy · 2019-07-20T04:02:12+00:00

Looks help, height helps, money helps, status helps, fashion helps and list goes on

BUT NONE OF THOSE ONE THINGS WILL GAURENTEE YOU GETTING LAID. As many have said before, unless you're in the top 5% of male attractiveness you fall into a category where you are mixed in with the majority of guys. So if a guy has the looks but his game sucks, Yea sure he'll have some luck but he'll miss out on alot too. If youre an avg guy but your game is tight you might be on par with the guy with better looks and even then because you're game is right steal that girl from the good looking guy.

So Yea looks help but they don't gaurentee you shit. What will gaurentee you better luck is using seduction and taking tips from this sub. No you won't get every girl but you sure as hell will get more than you did if you didn't use good seduction techniques. Looks only take yuu so far

quinnmcd · 2019-07-20T03:21:50+00:00

This situation happens all the time and you’re stating the obvious. Of course do look matter, but you’re missing the point of seduction techniques (teasing, negging, qualifying.) Seduction is more about turning a maybe into a yes. Looks get your foot in the door, but game and personality get you further.

Insanity_-_Wolf · 2019-07-20T08:36:42+00:00

Are we still on this, "do looks matter" bullshit? Ffs, what idiot was arguing against the notion? Look, in this instance the guy got pulled by the girl. That's not really what game is about. Looks, money, social status, height, etc.. ALL of these things matter (of course they do, children know this), but game is a seperate category. So why do develop 'game'? Because when all those things are gone (yes, you get shorter with age) the thing that stays is game.

At the end of the day, game is basically sales. You're literally selling yourself and if you start thinking of yourself as a product things sort of fall into place. Look at the most successful sales people, are they the most attractive people on the planet with the best toned bodies coupled with an amazing personality? HELL NO! Just like sales, game is a skill and it's worth learning not just for 'getting girls', but because it's extremely valuable in basically every other facet of life.

Back to the topic. So I get a hint of resentment from OP, why is this? I mean who wouldn't want girls just falling in their lap? I'd argue that it's a matter of control and quality.

Control: If I see an opportunity, I want to be able to seize it. Not lounge around wondering what another woman thinks of me. This kind of passive behavior is hugely effeminate and unattractive. My life philosophy is to be at the cause side of the cause/effect spectrum in life. Thinking otherwise leads to a grim victim mentality mindset which prevents you from taking action. When you live at the effect in life, you'll always find someone to blame for your problems.. and procees to do nothing about it. Fuck that, take action and grab life by the balls. It kicks you back, dust yourself off and have at it again with some freshly learned lessons.
Quality: If you're a guy and you're being approached by another woman, chances are that she's not exactly going to be your ideal type. 9/10 that I'm approached, it's by someome that I'm not interested in to begin with. You need to be able to get after what you want.

And, plenty of super attractive guys lose the interest of girls, because often they don't know wtf they're doing. I was out with a pro-athlete last night and he couldn't pull a single girl, despite having clear iOi's from them. He's a solid 9/10 and certainly a dime in other woman's eyes, but he couldn't stop talking about himself and that repelled every girl around him lmao.

Bottom line: It can be tough. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes girls will tear your heart out of your chest and fucking stomp it into the cold hard concrete. But you grow from it. As a result, you become a stronger and better person. That's just the price that needs to be paid if you've set your sights on the summit.

/rant

Alex_O7 · 2019-07-20T09:27:17+00:00

You have no need for tactics when a girl is that much into you.
Seduction is somthing that could help, but since most of the people don't know/use them, and we are not extint as species there are other ways to get laid of course.

If i was in you in that situation i would have played the role of the wing for both of them and maybe you would remediate a date with the other firend of that girl.

yoproldn · 2019-07-20T11:47:27+00:00

Why is it so surprising that women care about looks. You are human, you care about looks. Why wouldn’t they? I care about personality, why wouldn’t they?

Moldydrpepper · 2019-07-20T07:13:08+00:00

We all know looks matter, it's people like you that keep bringing it up lol

2019-07-20T16:17:53+00:00

We really need to kill this ''girls don't care about looks'' stuff.

I once went around some bars with a male model. Friend of a friend. Girls were acting stupid around him. It was real eye opening. Girls definitely care about looks but with a few key differences from how guys care about looks. Like guys generally don't care about fashion that much. A guy who wears cargo shorts and hockey jerseys everywhere will date a girl who wears Chanel... or has tattoos and wears vintage dresses... or a girl who wears Adidas track pants... or is corporate... and everything in between. But girls sort of want a guy who goes with her outfit/look. If she has a lot of tats, she is probably into dudes with tats. If she dresses in fancy expensive clothes, she will want a guy who dresses similarly, and so on. So having a lot of style can make up for a lot. But guys generally won't date a girl they find unattractive but has a great sense of style.

noprideinsomniac95 · 2019-07-20T16:29:33+00:00

I mean you don't know that guys life, this could've been the first time it happened to him in a long time, if ever.

Dextorian · 2019-07-20T20:15:44+00:00

Reason people should be picky about what they read in the internet. All this shit about looks don’t get you laid is complete shit! It’s all down to initial attraction, if in that first few seconds she doesn’t find you attractive nothing you say or do will have an impact!

OkCellist2 · 2019-07-20T10:37:50+00:00

Idunno if anybody really is arguing that looks don't matter anymore man, I think most understand that game and attraction is pretty multi faceted and complicated.

There's people who argue that looks or game doesn't matter, because they have game or looks (and the other one isn't important in their mind). I think it's more of a self defense mechanism when someone tries to say that looks don't matter, because they know they've kinda topped out and same with the other way around it's those guys who don't think game can be learned they just don't have it, and don't need it.

I could be wrong but I haven't heard many people talk about that for a long time

2019-07-20T11:24:13+00:00

I thought that was well-known. Sure, game matters, but looks matter too. Us guys are similar in that aspect too. How many times have you been all over a super hot girl who was quite bland? Also how many times have you met an average girl whose personality is so great you feel attraction towards her? Some people stimulate your mind, while others your body. Both can create attraction. The ideal would be to stimulate both, but you can still get some if you can do one, you just gotta play your cards right and play with what you were given.

nonsass · 2019-07-20T13:37:25+00:00

Looks are obviously the most important thing when it comes to cold approach. Game won't help if you're not her 'type' (physically)

And the amount of 'game' required (once she's chosen you) depends on just HOW handsome you are to her. If you look like a young Tom Welling, you'd need to be VERY autistic to net get laid with whoever you want

2019-07-20T14:23:02+00:00

I remember reading some article stating that one aspect of a stable happy marriage is based off of how your partner views your looks. Girls do care about what a guy looks like, but guys also car about how girls look too.

Now that being said, there’s no reason to give up and not talk to a girl. Everyone has preferences. Every girl is not looking for the solid 9.5 with mega muscles and blah blah blah. I’ve found a lot of guys I’ve liked are insecure about their curly hair, but I have a thing for it. You might not feel hot, but someone like you. Social skills are still 10 points higher than looks for me, but looks are still important.

Pandaman0110 · 2019-07-20T03:14:40+00:00

This sounds 100% true

Blickygottgestiffy69 · 2019-07-20T12:07:39+00:00

In this post. OP tells the truth.

Virgin copers still go on about how looks don't matter, and how their techniques (that do this day haven't worked) are the way forward

BonelessSkinless · 2019-07-20T04:25:35+00:00

Girls 100% care about looks. They look at your shoes first and then work their way up and scan up to the face restart top down and scan down. If your shoes and face are good with even a decent body you can get girls.

HaveTwoBananas · 2019-07-20T05:21:51+00:00

Height is a major dmv, but yeah girls obv care about looks. But taking care of yourself and trying to look good also boosts your self-confidence, which boosts your smv.

PolesWithGoals · 2019-07-20T07:59:12+00:00

It’s ALL they care about. It’s like Chinese people with backseat legroom in their cars

IllStep · 2019-07-20T14:04:13+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/7lLFoih

xanaxmuncher · 2019-07-20T14:06:04+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8o8os0/frnight_out_with_my_handsome_mate/

IllStep · 2019-07-20T14:15:59+00:00

Good looking guys just need to run 'don't fuck up' game. Basically, don't be super autistic

But at the same time, having amazing 'game' won't help if she's not attracted to you

lobitaway01 · 2019-07-20T16:08:29+00:00

I'm going out gaming tonight with my most handsome friend, so maybe i'll let you know waht happens lol

ThermiteMillie · 2019-07-20T16:33:16+00:00

Of course girls care about looks BUT what one girl finds attractive or even societies general definition of attractive doesn't mean that ALL girls are attracted to the same thing.

Angelrun · 2019-07-20T16:50:25+00:00

No shit.

leese216 · 2019-07-20T16:56:35+00:00

I feel like "good-looking" is so subjective because what I deem attractive, my best friend never thinks so. We have wildly different taste in men and it goes vice versa. Who she thinks is hot, I'm like, "meh".

There will be plenty of women who find you hot! The thing is seeing if you're attracted to them also. Only once in my life have I ever been attracted to every single aspect of a man i was seeing. There was not one thing about him I wasn't crazy for. And it wasn't just physical. It was emotional and intellectual as well. From top to bottom. That's always been my problem.

injesterstrust · 2019-07-20T16:57:47+00:00

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Frost_Fang · 2019-07-20T17:03:55+00:00

Tbh no. Nobody ever said looks are irrelevant to them and they also don't care about looks as much as we do. Guys mostly go for looks, but much less guys would date someone "ugly" than girls would. They value looks less, maybe cause they don't look for who to seduce next.

But when they are, in the club or whatever and plan to approach a guy, obviously they'll approach someone attractive cause they don't know anything about anyone in there and nobody is charming yet, so looks is the only metric they can base their decision of. What else could they do? Go for the guy with big ears cause he might be a good listener?

You shouldn't take "girls don't care about looks" too literally, it didn't mean exactly that, it just meant that it matters to them less than you'd think. Unless you think it doesn't matter at all, then you're just wrong.

msgs · 2019-07-20T20:12:45+00:00

Of course a person's looks matter, guy or girl! Personalty, confidence, intelligence also all very much matter as well. Control what you can control. Learn to put work in improve what you can improve. Learn to punch above your weight so to speak.

That's what this subreddit is (or should be) all about.

recyclablebanthas · 2019-07-20T21:09:26+00:00

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We really need to kill this ''girls don't care about looks'' stuff.

This whole conversation is based on bullshit misrepresentations of two valid views.

Looks are a factor
They're not the only factor and can be compensated for with inner game.

No one is going to sit here and really say that inner game is the only thing that matters or that looks aren't a factor at all.

But trying to say that looks are all, doesn't fly. And inner game isn't the only thing either.

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I became fearless when I realized that most women already made up their minds about me before I approached.

Damn true.

Though this happens not just due to "looks." Body language and a whole cocktail of non-verbal communication is coming together to result in an impression that each woman is either into or they aren't.

Finding out is like that game show where you try to pick one of three doors that has the car, rather than a goat. You won't know until you try and there's no way to tell from the outside beforehand.

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So many guys go down this whole road of thinking that they simply aren't going to be attractive to almost any woman, which is a turn off to almost any woman, and a self-defeating mindset.

......which is why people get so up in arms when someone says, "LOOKS MATTER," or "LOOKS ARE THE ONLY THING!"

DESTROYER990011 · 2019-07-20T05:19:16+00:00

I agree but looks will only get you so far. unless you’re RIDICULOUSLY handsome, you gotta have the badges to back up your looks. Have a good job, be a gentleman, be well dressed, show off some talents, make a name for yourself. Otherwise in my experience, they literally won’t care.

dollazdrankanddank · 2019-07-20T13:08:58+00:00

Can confirm girls care about looks. When i was studying for the cfa program for around 4 years of my mid 20s I would gain 30 to 40 lbs leading up to the yearly exam and couldn’t get the top 10 percent of hoes at the club that I am used to. I would then lose weight post exam in a few months. The minute I go back to 155 and a six pack and it’s pretty easy as pie. When I approach a girl, I often notice that some girls look to their friends for confirmation. Anyways if you are hot they tell her he’s pretty nice despite not knowing a thing about me except my friendly approach. Same approach when I am fat the nice part comment goes away. Anyways I’m currently engaged to a chick yanet Garcia type of chick. I’m about 190 now and she hasn’t left me. I’m really surprised and happy. Anyways I can easily lose weight, there is just less incentive to do so. But I will lose it when wedding time comes.

Caimthehero · 2019-07-20T17:00:17+00:00

Who the fuck told you that women don't care about looks? Maybe I've missed that but what I've seen are looks aren't the only important thing and they're not.

Can you get entirely through some sets just by being good looking? Yeah there will be a few but you're saying it like you cant actually become better looking.

Steps to become better looking.

BE FUCKING HYGENIC. I can't overstate how important this is. Unless you have god level game girls don't want to be with the guys that have Nasty teeth, Body Odor, Out of control Acne, or wearing dirty clothes
Get an attractive sense of style. Hint well fitting jeans, black shirt, and good boots (not cowboy) don't go out of style.
Go to the gym. Just fucking do it and stop being lazy. It's literally 20 minutes out of your day and you'll start seeing incremental improvement
Have a haircut that fits your style, sorry balding guys if it's noticeable it needs to be gone.

There ya go. Looks are important and anyone who has ever tried online dating would tell you that in a nutshell. That said you can't improve looks to the same degree you can improve game. Yeah some girls may be forever off limits to you because of height, looks, etc. But if you have a great life that girls want to share with then you'll always have girls interested.

If you want proof to what lifestyle can actually get you look up Dan Blizerian. He's the absolute best example of how lifestyle can slay for you and now he's known for it so girls literally flock to him to partake. It's circular

_lov3rboy · 2019-07-20T03:29:24+00:00

Game trumps looks

themanbat · 2019-07-20T10:44:57+00:00

Yeah looks are a factor. But I got laid way more fat and bold then I did in shape and shy.

Olliepop2398 · 2019-07-20T10:58:49+00:00

Groundbreaking stuff right here... /s

ImJustSo · 2019-07-20T13:27:49+00:00

It's embasrrasing and makes our sub look retarded lol. They care about looks at least as much as we do

Seeing comments like this is what makes this sub look retarded. The childish nature of your post and others like it make it look retarded. The lack of social development of the general population in the sub is what makes it look retarded, because in comparison to their peers, they are by definition retarded in growth.

Your post is retarded in its understanding of attraction and what it's like to be attractive to women. You didn't mention the most common phrase you'll read here: "Looks get your foot in the door."

I get checked out a lot. I get cat called by women and men. I get random strangers giving me compliments on anything noticeable about me, my hair, my beard, my clothes, my personality, my "look", or just how fuckin hot I am to them.

You think that I can't fuck up? You think I can't say something dumb? You think I'll have the energy to want to make the right moves in the right situation? You think everyone I meet doesn't already have an idea in their head about how I should act because of their eyes?

Example: Chick sees me and thinks fuck he's hot, bet he's a total dick, I love it.

She meets me and finds out I'm volunteering boy scout saves the world kinda guy that treats grandmas like saints. Does the chick like it? Fuck if I know, I don't have tattoos.

What if she thinks I'm a choir boy and I turn out to be married? Polyamorous? What if she finds out I date multiple women?

How attractive you are physically means fuck all, if you can't play your game. I started ugly. I got hot. I failed both ways. Then I got attractive and hot. Now, I succeed where I want, when I want.

Looks aren't "nothing" and they're not "everything". Trying to alienate one aspect of a person to point to only that thing as why they succeed is an infantile and immature view. It's totally unrealistic.

I am a total package, from the ground up. My shoes, my clothes, my hair, my beard, the way I walk, the way I talk, my social status, the behavior I pick. You think like a peasant, you act like a peasant. Then a king stands at the bar and confuses your shit.

Know what that guy didn't do? Say the wrong thing. I can guarantee you've said the wrong things plenty of times. Don't come here and act like that's our fault, because we're all here to help you. Ungrateful, whiney bitch.

XDarkstarX1138 · 2019-07-20T16:02:29+00:00

Looks aren't all that important, girls care about it to a certain extent. But overtime it tends to decrease in importance and personality becomes more relevant.

Title	FR - Girls DO care about looks
Author	injesterstrust
Upvotes	271
Comments	119
Date	July 20, 2019 3:07 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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