There was a highly upvoted post here a few days ago about how if you were not getting laid you (and only you) were to blame. People pointed out that while this may be true at a personal level, the environment also plays a huge role at a societal level.
Here is an example of that in action looking at speed dating, see: https://www0.gsb.columbia.edu/mygsb/faculty/research/pubfiles/867/datingFULL-EK1.pdf
The full article is 32 pages long and written in dry academic language which I know very few people here have the time to go through. Also the article is from 2005 and if anything things have only gotten worse since then.
So here is a nice write-up with cool graphs: https://flowingdata.com/2013/06/12/what-the-sexes-want-in-speed-dating/ which I recommend you read instead.
The whole article is very good, however for brevity I will focus on one single aspect showing the impact of the outside environment on group outcomes. The authors found that in events with larger group size (i.e. the number of men that women see at the event and vice versa) the women were significantly more selective, while the men's selectivity was essentially unchanged.
More concretely in events with 10 men and 10 women both men and women had a roughly 50% chance of saying "yes" to any given partner, i.e. on average the men and women both wanted to see 5 of the 10 people again. However in events with 20 men and 20 women, the men still had a roughly 50% chance of saying yes, meaning they wanted to on average see 10 of the 20 women again, but the rate of saying yes for the women fell down a cliff to 32.5%, with them just wanting to see on average 6.5 of the 20 men.
Note that these were completely randomised events from the same study, it isn't like the 10 man/women events took place in a different place under different rules to the 20 man/women events, but with the exact same rules and people were assigned to the 10 or 20 date events randomly, so we know that this difference in selectivity is caused by the increased pool size rather than anything else.
I think this ties in very nicely in showing how dating apps have made the whole landscape much much worse by massively increasing the pool of matches available to women. Just like how bigger pools made them more selective in speed dating, these apps make women more selective in real life which just serves to make finding a partner harder for the group of "men" as a whole.
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Do people actually think an oil rig and a nursing school are equivalent environments?
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I don't disagree. But what is easier, doing the best in the environment you're in, or remaking society? An alternative option would be to move environments, but there's limits. Maxxing your looks, status, and game will always be the best option.
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Yes this is redpill stuff. A woman's hypergamy recalibrates to her environment. You don't have to be the top 10-20% of all men, you have to be on there in the environment you meet her and the environment she's used to. Whether that's the village, at work, in your social circle. It means your chances are going to be far lower on tinder or at a party for male models.
Women that are very active on social media using it for the wrong purposes becomes damaged goods because it becomes her environment. She gets so much validation on it she gets a false sense of self worth and the standard of man she should hold out to.
Edit: people are asking why this is even a thing, how is this not common sense. This is one of the differences between men and women, and that's women are wired by Hypergamy. Hypergamy is about seeking an upgrade. Women always want the best they can get. Don't get lost with the definitions of Hypergamy, because ultimately it functions like this; as soon as a woman gets it in her head she can do better than the man she's got, she will fall out of love and lose attraction for her man. It doesn't work the same for men. Men will still love their wives and be attracted to them even despite being fully aware they can do better. If men had hypergamy as their hardwiring you'd see them unanimously dump all their wives as these women turned 30-35 saying they don't love them anymore. That would be a universal standard if men were wired the same way women are.
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but anywhere you go, OLD is available. Even women that aren't on it know it exists and they can go on it to get a more attractive guy than they would in real life.
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Not everyone uses it.
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it's pretty much universal. I also don't see how this study proves that 'environment matters'. it just says women become more selective as pool size increases, but that is always true everywhere.
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You're confused how the argument that environment matters if a study that's shows an environment with more pool size makes women more selective? If you can't put 2 + 2 together here I can't help you.
Women growing up in 5000 BCE among tribes of between 30-120 people were judging their options based on the men available to them. They weren't judging men based on what was going to exist 8000 years later or men that were in tribes they've never come across. Hypergamy calibrates to its environment.
The distinction matters for explaining why women seem so much more entitled with higher standards. Their standards are lifted to the environment globalism has provided. It also matters to men trying to compare themselves to their success rates on tinder. Might as well try to pick up at a male modeling party.
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" Their standards are lifted to the environment globalism has provided."
yeah so with OLD being available everywhere, switching environments won't do anything in itself, though I think culture matters.
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