University of Washington condemns one of its own former professors for saying, “Half of the female STEM faculty in the U.S. were hired over more qualified men”

InformalCriticism · 2022-01-06T22:17:21+00:00

55,000 academic citations?! In computer science?! Good fucking Lord, talk about knowing your shit.

rabel111 · 2022-01-06T20:54:38+00:00

The Ministry of Truth strikes agan.

wwwhistler · 2022-01-06T22:44:33+00:00

"In response, the University of Washington’s Paul G. Allen School of Computer Science & Engineering admitted that they “cannot limit what emeritus faculty members say via private accounts” before admonishing Domingos’ claim as “meritless, sexist, inflammatory, [and] attention-seeking.”

it might have been attention seeking....it might Have been inflammatory....but it was neither meritless NOR sexist. as he has the data to back it up.

ipwr85 · 2022-01-06T20:05:50+00:00

Telling the truth is now considered a hate crime.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-01-07T00:13:55+00:00

I remember applying the UofW for grad school a couple years ago. My GRE score was 3-4 points higher than the average accepted for MIT.

I got my rejection letter within a week; normally it takes a month or two. When I eventually saw who got accepted, it was mostly women. Keep in mind for my major-Chemical Engineering-is higher than average for women in STEM at roughly 20-30%. Women still were overrepresented there, as well as intern programs for chemical engineers at a major industrial gas company-which I also applied to and was rejected immediately. The intern class that year and the year after had not one single white male; every one was either female, a person of color, or both.

I met some of these interns. Granted they were fresh out of college, but they didn't have better GPAs than me, nor did they have the technical or industrial experience I had, and when going over a simple heat exchanger project one didn't seem to know anything-but she wore very tight pants to work. Once I realized she was useless and not really listening to anything I said, and that management had in the past taken my projects and put other's name son it, I stopped helping her(I have no problem mentoring or training, but that's a two way street). I just went straight to the manager and told them they had the wrong heat exchanger because it was sized for glycol and not water.

You would think the next step would be to size the right heat exchanger for water-since we didn't cool with glycol-and get a quote, right? I offered to do all the legwork and the quote-, and they said nah have her do it. The project never went anywhere after that. She was promoted to plant engineer elsewhere, and now is managing accounts for the company. The other intern was my boss after they took my project saving the plant 30K a year and put her name on it, but she left the company after 2 years-which I told them would happen.

All the while, our operations engineer, who was fucking awesome, was being burnt out because she seemed to be the only one who knew how to do her job at her level and was covering way more plants than other operation engineers. She eventually left the company for Amazon.

These people don't care about diversity, or even getting good people. They have metrics for optics to look good, and they don't really look any further than that.

throwaway3569387340 · 2022-01-06T22:40:49+00:00

Pedro Domingos, a retired computer science and engineering professor

Ah. That explains it.

Ashley_Titor · 2022-01-06T19:21:52+00:00

He's not wrong though

drdeletus498 · 2022-01-06T23:03:55+00:00

I don't know about you guys but I'm in a very heavily male dominated field and within the past few years I've worked with some women who were clearly diversity hires. It's completely anecdotal but all but one of these 5 girls should've actually been hired. They have the worst work ethic in the company and underperform. Taking extra long breaks, coming in late consistently, not being on task while at work etc.

The other girl I mentioned is great and is an asset to the team, definitely better at her job than multiple men who have been working for 20+ years.

PeteyMax · 2022-01-06T21:56:57+00:00

Here is an editorial in Nature magazine:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00759-1

claiming that "white men still dominate in UK academic science." Their numbers? 76% of scientists in the UK are white. This from what used to be one of the premiere scientific journals.

As far as I'm concerned, the universities and scientific journals are dead, at least if you're looking for honest science. The only way forward is to start our own institutions and try to keep the axe-grinders out.

Matthew351111 · 2022-01-06T23:25:13+00:00

He is probably right but these days you get destroyed if you go against the woke narrative. Truthfully, it is probably more like 2/3rd or more.

raffu280 · 2022-01-06T19:19:31+00:00

Most of the "mainstream" media won't cover this or will join in denigrating him. Look for new news sources now.

jackwang_69 · 2022-01-06T21:21:37+00:00

This is how other countries will close the gap with the United States and then probably pass it.

g1455ofwater · 2022-01-06T23:23:09+00:00

The first time you're targeted by a Twitter mob, you're shocked. The second you just shrug.

It's refreshing to see some people that are able to learn this. Too many people start groveling to the feminist mob when they start their bullying campaigns.

Also the grotesque dishonesty from the university saying they aren't trying to cancel him. The express purpose of shaming and ostracizing him is to cancel him. If they weren't trying to cancel him they would just argue about the point he was making without getting into personal attacks.

Heavy_Grand2526 · 2022-01-07T00:50:28+00:00

Fired for speaking the truth. Stand up to tyrants like this. They want us to accept their false truths. Don't let the truth be silenced.

Daman_1985 · 2022-01-06T22:02:22+00:00

Sure, let's built the future world without truths and only lies... I'm sure it will be a great idea, right?

No_Seaworthiness9625 · 2022-01-06T23:03:09+00:00

And is probably not just this faculty

Frannysbutt · 2022-01-07T00:53:31+00:00

Why are you booing me? I’m right!

almostadaddy · 2022-01-07T03:23:51+00:00

Academia is an irredeemable cesspool of fools and evil liars.

Dynged · 2022-01-07T04:01:55+00:00

I mean, hes not wrong. That's pretty much the case with all diversity hiring initiatives.

IronJohnMRA · 2022-01-07T12:44:23+00:00

“meritless, sexist, inflammatory, [and] attention-seeking.”

He must have got pretty close to the truth to piss them off that much.

B_P_G · 2022-01-07T01:52:53+00:00

He’s wrong. It’s probably more like 90%.

jessi387 · 2022-01-07T03:17:07+00:00

More people need to start speaking up about this. In tech it’s the worst

vhisic · 2022-01-07T04:49:33+00:00

half is probably being nice about too. I agree we need to find ways to get more women into these positions and areas but quotas are not the answer.

LordMandrews · 2022-01-07T05:29:38+00:00

Is there any data to support his claim? I've hear plenty of anecdotal evidence but I feel like that statement is impossible to substantiate.

Huffers1010 · 2022-01-06T22:03:34+00:00

Can we find a better source for this?

Valid as it may be, it should be interpreted in the context of The Daily Caller being an extremely right-wing outlet which has published inaccurate information in the past.

If we're going to campaign for men's rights, I'd rather we did it without involving anything on the political spectrum of The Daily Caller. Yes, I know that more mainstream editors are reluctant to publish anything which might support us, but if this has happened, I would assumed it has been published elsewhere.

I don't view men's rights as an issue which has much in common any part of the traditionally-defined political spectrum - it's not a left or right-wing issue - and we should avoid unnecessary entanglements.

Training_Position642 · 2022-01-07T06:07:31+00:00

JORDAN PETERSON

MrSnrlub · 2022-01-07T07:15:23+00:00

Ah yes, but is it true?

MRA_TitleIX · 2022-01-08T22:04:12+00:00

If you find examples of female professors making the same remarks with genders flipped and not getting fired you have a Title IX case. Free and easy to file if you have the evidence.

2022-01-09T05:45:11+00:00

The woke-feminist complex will destroy civilization that they didn't create. Because the can't create anything. They can only destroy.

jinladen040 · 2022-01-06T23:06:16+00:00

Liberal Cancel Culture

gbands3ds · 2022-01-07T02:32:51+00:00

So the site doesn't work in my country but does he have any genuine evidence to back this up?

Because if not then frankly it is a sexist thing to say. It's just like how at one of my internships a woman got backlash for saying there were tons of extra women in other departments who could do a better job than the men in her department.

Golden_disrepctCo · 2022-01-07T01:30:26+00:00

If only if everyone herd of it then that would be a dream

Morden013 · 2022-01-07T07:10:08+00:00

Truth hurts.

John_Savage69 · 2022-01-07T15:04:40+00:00

Qualifications and objective metrics are tools of the patriarchy.

serial_crusher · 2022-01-07T15:14:47+00:00

50% is a pretty bold number. I don't doubt that it happens, but he needs to substantiate that claim with some evidence.

RusticSurge10 · 2022-01-07T16:13:57+00:00

"just ignore it. they might forget about it in a couple seconds."

TheMouseRan · 2022-01-07T17:27:05+00:00

University of Washington should say "PERHAPS, and regardless here's why it creates a more effective overall faculty team"

because in fields like engineering it does. I don't care how good your hammer is, I don't need a tool box full of fancy hammers. sometimes I need a wrench, or pliers, or some weird specialty tool that's only good for one thing.

Sometimes it's okay to have gender bias, sometimes it can even be good. I just wish we would ACKNOWLEDGE it

Instead UoW has alienated both men and women in their response.

Redeemed01 · 2022-01-08T03:37:29+00:00

https://spectator.com.au/2022/01/exposing-the-great-feminist-reset/

reddut_gang · 2022-01-10T03:36:15+00:00

that's the real wage gap

michaelpaoli · 2022-01-07T06:40:10+00:00

Uhm, ... isn't he technically correct?

I mean, isn't it true, at least generally, and if fair:

"Half of the female STEM faculty in the U.S. were hired over more qualified men and half of the female STEM faculty in the U.S. were hired over less qualified men." - I mean heck, if one digs deep enough, for any two given candidates, they won't be precisely equally qualified ... one will be more, one will be less, and if we split that all out by gender, one would expect, if all is fair, that half will be more qualified, and half less.

So ... maybe the statement was taken out of context?

Shadowdragon409 · 2022-01-07T00:22:03+00:00

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yourmomonmartigras1 · 2022-01-07T03:55:08+00:00

This could also mean men are hiring less qualified women just because they want a pretty face around the office... as if any of the men hiring these women are doing it for the sake of "social justice".

University of Washington condemns one of its own former professors for saying, “Half of the female STEM faculty in the U.S. were hired over more qualified men”

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