"My male coworkers are insisting on taking “period leave”

Silly-Activity-6219 · 2022-05-16T16:50:22+00:00

Why not just give everyone a select amount of personal days each year?

TendieDinner777 · 2022-05-16T16:51:09+00:00

It sounds like she needs to find a company that she agrees with, because that’s her issue.

rahsoft · 2022-05-16T17:36:12+00:00

i think what people dont realise is that when one groups pushes too much for privileges going beyond reasonable( and Im not talking about this current issue) then that group will start to find themselves more unemployable.

employers already had past resentment for maternity leave to the point that they became more selective in who they employed, in the same way they did for people who were older( more possible sick leave) or disabled( more effort to include them or adapt the environment).

when something cost the employers more for one group without a tangible financial benefit, then they start to look at cutting costs somewhere...

its the same rose tinted glasses people use to claim that women are paid less for the same job with out thinking that if an employers could pay one group less , then employment of that group would be far higher than normal.

employers are NOT altruistic or saints, they look at the bottom line...

Update : want to add one more issue for those who want more time off

employers are using the bradford scale( found mine on my HR record) . its supposed to be for unplanned absences( but we know businesses say many things but dont adhere to them). Even the author of the bradford scale has condemned the way businesses are using them. This can and will be used against you regardless of any so called protection under the law

00knz00 · 2022-05-16T18:13:58+00:00

I need 26% more pay because women prefer men who earn 26% more than them.

Perplivesdontmatter · 2022-05-16T16:51:48+00:00

Don't give special privileges to one group.

jherrinathome · 2022-05-16T17:07:58+00:00

If this new policy is in addition to the companies existing sick leave policy then it clearly gives preference to women and should be changed or the sick leave policy should be expanded to cover additional days for men all employees, including men.

TheRavenGirl13 · 2022-05-16T19:36:35+00:00

I’m a woman, with debilitating periods (diagnosed with specific conditions). This is what intermittent FMLA is for (chronic issues, doesn’t have to be just periods). I don’t agree with this whole concept.

If a woman has to be out for those issues, that’s fine and it’s totally understandable but I don’t agree they should get special time.

auMatech · 2022-05-16T17:35:57+00:00

Why shouldn't men get period leave to be home and help their partners who suffer so much during their periods?

McFeely_Smackup · 2022-05-16T17:24:16+00:00

it seems like "periods are a crippling disability that every woman goes through every month" or "how dare you suggest a woman's menstrual cycle is a disability" depending on what argument they feel like having on a given day.

Solid-Perspective98 · 2022-05-16T16:59:52+00:00

Or simply increase the number of sick leave entitlement for everyone since sick leave is already based on an honour system.

mandark1171 · 2022-05-16T23:42:11+00:00

Two options, equality or equality

Equality 1) everyone has a guaranteed monthly amount of personal days and sick days... so if women need 1 day for periods men are given 1 day

Equality 2) you are to work equal number of days scheduled.. so Becky needs to take Thursday off because of her period she comes in Saturday to make up that day

tenchineuro · 2022-05-16T17:07:38+00:00

"My male coworkers are insisting on taking “period leave”

Wait, is she assuming their gender?

Logical-Tension · 2022-05-16T17:31:30+00:00

The reason many feminists agree with MRAs about the need for a paternity leave equal to that of the maternity leave, is that without it women have a disadvantage in their careers compared to their male coworkers.
The same logic can easily be used when discussing period leave.
Giving men the same amount of time off, so that they can help their wife with the kids, the house chores etc. doing her period would be a win/win for both. The tricky question is how to finance such a policy.
Not all employers are big companies like Amazone.

throw1954away · 2022-05-16T18:46:25+00:00

It's funny to me how menstrual cramps are the only uncomfortable/painful conditions that is considered as something which might inhibit your ability to work. Men can have painful health situations as well, which are not to be expected or considered normal. We can debate the physical pain level ad nauseum, but it seems a bit more psychologically distressing to have pain from an unknown source than pain that ~3.5 billion people can relate to and know the exact cause of.

In more practical terms, what if a man's wife has a debilitating period and his children need to go to the doctor, be driven to school, etc? He can't take a "period day" to support his family in such a scenario?

Don't get me started on this:

Moreover, they’re undermining the accommodation for people who do have difficult periods — the very people it was intended for — because now they get a day off when they feel sick, and non-period-having people get a day off for fun. That’s not equal and it’s clearly not what the law was intended to do.

Ah, so men can't ever be sick, and sickness = menstruation? Two bold claims with little validity or merit!

Oh, and while women rant about men taking period leave, there are women in Afghanistan who get whipped if their ankle is seen. I don't think these issues are on the same order of magnitude.

Ziogatto · 2022-05-16T17:00:20+00:00

How can they define women when supreme court justices can't define women? How do those bigots know those men aren't women? Bigots. Such sexism, disgusting.

2022-05-16T17:49:26+00:00

Lmfao

Gamernator-GX · 2022-05-16T20:14:14+00:00

For the weeks that women don't work while on leave, they don't get paid. Period. If we stop using the yearly salary basis and have all companies on the punch-in - punch-out clock, it will make more sense.

Paying women the same yearly salary as men for less time worked is wrong.

Paying women less yearly salary for the same job and position as men is wrong.

Paying men more yearly salary for the same job and position as women is wrong.

This will solve the period case, the pregnancy leave case and the "my young child needs my care" case.

Work attended and completed successfully equals proper earned pay.

No work equals no pay.

Fair pay for fair work.

QUANTITY of pay is based on QUALITY of work.

If you work well, you get paid well and get due benefits in proper time during all quarterly employee reviews.

If you don't do whats expected of you, equally compared to other employees in your position, you don't get promoted (may get demoted), and your pay doesn't increase (may decrease).

If your job performance stays the same over a long period of time without marked improvement (or degradation), your pay and position remain unchanged. You may be a good worker, but if you don't do anything that makes you stand out as an employee, your pay and position don't change.

Employees are not just judged by HR or management. All staff members write reports on the behaviors, work ethics and activities of everyone on their shift each week. Low ranking workers also make same judgments on managers and higher ranking positions to show equality and due justice between equal members of humanity.

No more general minimum wage jobs. Minimum wage is for teenagers who are babysitting your kids or mowing your lawn.

All jobs in entry level positions have an entry level wage (above minimum wage) based on the type of work and effort needed to do it successfully.

If you continue to work well, each quarterly employee review gains you promotions and higher wages.

Good workers move up the ladder faster, while bad workers and narcissists earn less and less, and continue to get demoted until they're fired.

Everyone gets what they deserve. Its equal, it's fair, the problem stops and nobody will feel entitled enough to complain.

Hopeful_Optimist_ · 2022-05-16T17:58:37+00:00

Americans can't define what a woman is. I declare everybody identifies as a woman.

Reggae4Triceratops · 2022-05-16T18:09:52+00:00

Periods suck... But my wife is not in debilitating pain and unable to work. Would she like the day off? Obviously, who wouldn't? Just give everyone more personal leave days. If they are having a worse than normal month they can use those days.

AzLibDem · 2022-05-16T20:46:49+00:00

"Women workers here use an honor system and take very seriously the need to only invoke this leave category when they truly need it for fear of ruining it for others.) "

Yeah, and only truly disabled people get handicapped tags for their cars.

TitanicPat · 2022-05-16T21:00:27+00:00

OK. If the game is days off due to biological realities of your gender. Then men should have their own days off for health checks for cancer since men's cancers receive less research and attention. The days off should be for mental health awareness because of that pesky 400% difference in suicide. Use the time to check in with male friends to make sure they're doing okay. And generally for men living shorter lives and retiring later.

I'm sure these women are consistent enough to go for it.

pasta4u · 2022-05-16T21:33:31+00:00

I remember another thread about spain or something giving women 3 period days a month if they are bad periods.

3x 12= 36 days. A work week is 5 days 36/5= 7.2. So they are getting 7 weeks a year off , almost 2 months of time off for their periods.

People say oh well it has to be a bad period. But how do you know its a bad period or not ? You know women will cry foul if they are required to give medical documentation to their jobs to get the time off.

I also said in that thread that of course women would also want the same yearly salary a man would get but the man would work 12 months and her 10 months. a person responded that women work harder in everything than men and do it in less time.

this is the mental gymnastics that some will do.

Strong-Release-5062 · 2022-05-16T23:10:17+00:00

If I was a lady with a history of a hysterectomy , that would be my own business. Hell yeah , I would take free period payed days off. I just hope that I am not the poor schmuck that is on call , and has to come in to cover the shift .

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-05-16T16:56:36+00:00

Men should have to work to make up for the fact that women feel terrible once a month in order to bear them children./s

combs1945a · 2022-05-16T21:57:28+00:00

Epic. I love it.

skispalax · 2022-05-17T02:20:55+00:00

Not putting my opinion, just some info: Periods are different for every female. For example I rarely get cramps and usually feel incredible on my period. Occasionally I get cramps so painful I scream (despite having a very high pain tolerance), and many of my friends experience this regularly. Some of them throw up from so much pain. I’m not exaggerating. Even though mood wise I feel great, the pressure from my period is uncomfortable and the muscles contracting constantly make you shit like crazy. Anyway, my point is… for some women periods are great, neutral, tolerable. For others it’s hell. The option for unpenalized days off because of period struggles is entirely reasonable I think. I can function perfectly on my period, but some of my friends struggle to get out of bed and they can’t help it.

_wrong_ad_ · 2022-05-16T17:58:47+00:00

Easy solution here. If a woman uses a period day during the month, they have to make it up on a weekend day. That’s the only way to keep it fair.

Impossible_Policy_12 · 2022-05-16T17:37:29+00:00

I heard - don’t know of is true - that a woman’s hormonal profile is nearest to man’s when she’s menstruating. Maybe men should have 30 days off a month?

a-aron1112 · 2022-05-16T19:08:42+00:00

Did nobody read the article? They gave males the same free sick day to use. The one guy is clearly a Dick for abusing the policy and taking it to extend a holiday and go on vacation.

happyness423 · 2022-05-16T20:04:53+00:00

Here’s an idea: how about your employer shouldn’t have to pay for you to not work? How about we don’t demand that employers lose money on workers? Why is this hard? Hourly workers have been doing fine.

Clemicus · 2022-05-16T21:55:09+00:00

Their working relationship is unknown. It's possible this co-worker doesn't like working with "A Reader Writes". So used the period leave as an excuse not to work with her as that is written in a way it can't be questioned

He took “period leave” the Friday in between, even though it left us in the lurch for a big meeting that day in which he had a key role. Everyone knows he did that just to give himself an extra long weekend, during which he openly went on a pre-planned vacation.

And the work culture is unknown.

(Women had started calling these leave days “mother’s day” to be delicate. When my male direct-report called out last week, he said he was taking a “father’s day,” but HR confirmed that’s not a thing. It’s still period leave, it’s just that men are also entitled to it.)

HR wouldn't put the absence down as mother's day they'd record it as period leave and as the OP stated maybe "A Reader Writes" has an issue with this specific co-worker

flibbidy_floob · 2022-05-17T00:44:21+00:00

Listen, I'm a dude so I can't have a period. But I still demand the right to have a period.

Ziigii · 2022-05-17T07:41:37+00:00

If these guy made it clear that he is in fact a trans woman there suddenly wouldn't be a problem? This is a clown world really.

NolanHarlow · 2022-05-16T22:36:41+00:00

Did you just assume their gender?!?!

Diligent_Advice616 · 2022-05-16T22:50:09+00:00

I mean it’ll just be the most productive day in the office I bet.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-05-16T20:01:28+00:00

Here's an idea: maybe advocate for more sick leave in general, which you can take any condition that impacts your ability to do your work, and doesn't require you to disclose why you're taking it thus minimizing judgement.

Oh wait that isn't as easy as invoking emotional appeals because women.

jmcsquared · 2022-05-17T00:47:52+00:00

Women: "Hey I am perfectly fine on my period! Stop insinuating that I am somehow a nutcase during this time. I'm just bleeding some, so what?"

Also women: Demands period leave.

angerproblemsTM · 2022-05-17T04:03:46+00:00

I hate the ‘period leave’ debate because it glosses over the main issue -

Painful periods to the point of not being able to work aren’t normal and aren’t okay. The pain should be nothing more than a minor inconvenience fixed easily with over the counter pain meds like a regular headache.

Everyone - employers and colleagues - should encourage women to see a doctors if their period pain is that bad that they physically need to take time off work - I’m in the same boat and I’m currently en route to being diagnosed likely with endometriosis.

realityshepherd · 2022-05-17T05:13:37+00:00

I certainly could use this additional leave to spend the day jerking off a number of times a year.

oafsalot · 2022-05-16T17:30:54+00:00

lol

Is it a special privilege if differences are acknowledged? Do we take sticks from cripples, glasses from the blind... Do we police who deserves to have sticks or glasses.

Some women are, by rights, disabled some days of the month. We can't really argue about it because it's true. What society does about that is never going to be fair.

I'm all for men claiming period leave though, I am some days just unable to do things and extra time off would be perfect for that.

gojiraa69 · 2022-05-17T01:29:19+00:00

If you're not feeling well, you are entitled to sick leave

There, I solved your problem. No need to waste money on new legislation

ShaidarHaran2 · 2022-05-17T01:31:14+00:00

Good for them!

A-sop-D · 2022-05-17T05:07:32+00:00

Come on folks, this one isn't hard. It's human rights. Everyone gets the sick days they need. In my location you need a doctor's note from the third day. No Limits. If someone takes the piss, there will be other areas they aren't performing and that'll be their undoing. Make this a thing and stop bitching about the slackers who will always try to game the system.

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-05-17T05:15:59+00:00

I remember that one. The man who took menstrual leave and called it "father's day" is such a troll.

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-05-17T05:19:54+00:00

A gem from that comment section

"Also, as a father and life-long cismale, I will happily give up an extra sick day to not have to deal with 40 years of menstruating and having to carry and deliver a child. Not to mention people who have no understanding of how your biology or sexual health works passing laws about it.These guys are being little brats and they need to cut it out*.*"

Man up bros./s

douche bag

freerossulbrich · 2022-05-17T05:33:57+00:00

Why not just let the market decide and pay people based on productivity?

Magical-Hummus · 2022-05-17T13:55:13+00:00

I am fine them having it. If they are ready for a smaller salary.

CaptSnap · 2022-05-17T14:47:07+00:00

If you give women and just women more leave, then how do you justify paying men and women the same? (for the same job)

tenchineuro · 2022-05-17T18:21:27+00:00

I'm questioning if this is real.

There's a single unverified source and this is claimed to be a letter from a reader. There is not enough information to verify anything.

I'm leaning towards the idea that this is a feminist site trying to make men look ridiculous.

Zeam_Beam · 2022-05-19T20:19:14+00:00

Im a girl and honestly, periods do suck. Mine get to the point where I can't walk due to pain and pass out because of bloodloss and pain. It's dangerous for me to go to school and work but this is a more rare case. I know tons of women who also get bad periods and have to take time off of school even though they really don't want to. Period days are a bit extreme, I totally agree but there are cases where sick days for people who got periods should be extended or if possible, work from home. As for the formula, I think it should be free anyways but that's a seperate thing.

there are also women who get totally fine periods that are light and painless. so, shouldn't be a work wide thing and just a select few people.

yourmomonmartigras1 · 2022-05-16T19:13:36+00:00

Damn you guys are losers. Guaranteed incels/ woman haters

s_slayer · 2022-05-16T18:17:10+00:00

You guys are insane.

SpiderMantisXB1 · 2022-05-17T12:15:41+00:00

This seems like a very petty thing for any real man to be worried about. Suck it up butter cup.

NutsLikeMelons · 2022-05-16T22:44:46+00:00

I wonder if it’s ok to ask a candidate for a job what kind of period symptoms they experience...

Silmariel · 2022-05-17T09:46:45+00:00

The law is insanity.

Any woman with dysmenorhea or Pcos can go to a doctor and get a medical declaration to show her employer, and take sick days every month. - There doesnt have to be a blanket law to cover those woman who have debilitating cramps. They ARE a minority. All women experience cramps, but only very few women have dysfunctional periods and subsequent debilitating pain each month.

As a woman I strongly resent making periods an illness or disease that requires time off from work. It is NOT. Our bodies are designed for them. - IF you, as a woman, experience pain so debilitating that you cannot function you dont need time off work, you NEED to see a doctor about your medical condition. - That is to be handled between the medical professional and the woman on each occasion, not by politicians or employers.

And lastly, I cannot imagine that stigmatising periods, yet again!! as something that burdens women and needs to be compensated for, does anything good, longterm, for women! Infact, I strongly suspect in the consciousness of young women, periods will simply, again become a "womans problem" and something that "weakens" her compared to a male counterpart. - Longterm, when the actual practicalities of having women workers, work 3 days less each month than their male counterparts, truely works itself into the companies buttom line, women will have a harder time competiting for positions, - and rightly so - - This is NOT a gift. It is a poisoned apple.

As others have mentioned; Give people select days off, from a pool that refills every year. Men, who lift up heavy shit and put it down, way more than women, can take days to recuperate their bodies, saving the healthcare system millions in the long term. Infact. I support giving people working in physical jobs that wear on their bodies 3 days off each month, - long before I'd support taking 3 days each month, for menstruating!

Title	"My male coworkers are insisting on taking “period leave”
Author	andejoh
Upvotes	519
Comments	198
Date	May 16, 2022 4:43 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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