As a young man, i am scared to take up the mantle of men's rights.

SarcastiCock · 2013-06-28T11:27:34+00:00

They never were your friends.

Kjerome · 2013-06-28T12:15:40+00:00

It's just... i feel so naive now - i really thought feminism was actually there to include men's rights and help solve the issues we face and the like.

But they just didn't care, it's true what you all are speaking of though.

I was used and abused - when i realized what a crock of shit i was supporting they dropped me.

Kjerome · 2013-06-28T14:47:37+00:00

I really do thank you all for supporting me, i initially thought of running back to them after my temper cooled but i stopped for some reason and decided i wanted to be sure before doing anything else.

This lead to me posting here, and well...

You've destroyed everything they said to me, sadly they even cried over a men's right group campaigning for more funding to combat prostate cancer and detection, saying the money could be better spent on breast cancer.

It's this shit i'm realizing now that i overlooked so casually, and it's really making me... sad i guess - but also coldly angry at being deceived and led along in fear of being shamed.

You could liken my predicament to a goat chasing a carrot, a reward being offered but always out of reach to further the rider's agenda.

It seems i have a LOT of reading to do now.

masterofthehaus · 2013-06-28T11:26:32+00:00

In regards towards male circumcision they saw no adverse effects

If it ever comes up again, ask them if the 100+ boys per year in the US dying as a result of the procedure is 'no adverse affect'.

Mr_Rivers · 2013-06-28T12:29:12+00:00

They used you buddy, plain and simple. As soon as you were not useful to them any more, they dropped you.

Reminds me of a lot of divorce cases..

Imnotmrabut · 2013-06-28T11:50:55+00:00

Well - Psychologically these women are immersed in a mind set and world view that they have learned and internalised. The reported behaviour indicates that either they are happy using their advantage to control others ~( Slightly on the Sociopathic Side)~ else they are all educational fuck wits!

Evidently you are ion a learning curve and you are upset now. You have every right to be upset when you figure out that people who claim to be your friends are in fact shown to be abusers and gender jailers.

You have more time now to encounter people who share your ideas, ideals and values. The Idiots you have been dealing with are trapped in a mindset that ends up crushing people - you have an open sky, so learn how to enjoy it.

2013-06-28T12:41:05+00:00

Be brave little brother. True friends are on the way.

2013-06-28T13:31:13+00:00

Unfortunately, being a male concerned with men's rights earns you a stigma that mainstream feminism perpetuates. It's one of the reasons why the MRA actually exists. It would be brilliant if feminism, with all its lobbying power, a power supported by both men and women, would spend some of that advocating for men's rights.

Kjerome · 2013-06-28T16:32:34+00:00

i tried to make the comparison of a women being forced to have intercourse and the vagina would become naturally moist, that earn't me much glowering and huffing.

You handled that perfectly. They're huffing at the fact that they got schooled.

PerniciousOne · 2013-06-28T14:26:32+00:00

Once your eyes have been opened to the matrix it is hard to become plugged back into society.

As many people have said here, they were never your friends, and may have been looking at you as a male-feminists, or a doormat they could walk over, or use as needed.

Because they believe that you are "privileged" they can not see any issues that you may have because you are male. They do not believe that men have any issues, and since you are the closest male you should ultimately be responsible for their actions.

Feminism is about transferring any accountability and responsibility from women to men.

HoundDogs · 2013-06-28T21:12:11+00:00

Going to go through your post and write thoughts. Read or not, up to you.

CIS male

Red flag. "Cis" is not a real word except in the chemistry world. It's the radical feminist word for "typical" and it is commonly used in a derogatory way towards the typical person.

happy and content with the current treatment towards women

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these "friends "couldn't articulate what "treatment toward women" they were upset about. It sounds like more of a dismissive argument than anything else. With the exception of abortion laws being contested, western women have incredibly privileged lives. They're just insulting you so you keep your (very valid) feelings to yourself.

As a group we've often traveled to meetups and protestations to combat and show our support that legislation against abortion and the like is sickening

I'd like to point out that most MRA's (myself included) are not "anti-abortion" I support a woman's right to choose. That said, I also support a man's right to choose whether or not he wants to be a father....however that does not mean he has the power to FORCE a woman to have an abortion, but merely opt out of parenthood.

i ended up losing my temper.

It's a common reaction against irrationality. It's quite obvious now that your "friends" hate men and they are twisting the ideology of feminism to suit their hatred and they are using it against you. You triggered their defense mechanisms by questioning their beliefs and their deep seeded hatred towards men.

In regards towards male circumcision they saw no adverse effects

This is utter, nonscientific nonsense. Children die from circumcision. In the western world, where hygiene standards are much higher than where circumcision studies are done (Sub-Saharan Africa) there is NO PROVEN BENEFIT of circumcision. This makes the risks of circumcision far outweigh the benefits in western cultures. Your "friends" don't know this because they don't care to know... they have their talking point that they think is valid and that's all they need to dismiss your concerns and make everything about "the womyn".

they claimed that if a man is erect that they can't logically be raped or sexually assaulted - i tried to make the comparison of a women being forced to have intercourse and the vagina would become naturally moist, that earn't me much glowering and huffing.

No surprise. They're huffing because they aren't used to having their opinion questioned not because anything you said is invalid. The "erect penis" argument is absurd anyway, you shouldn't have even had to bring up the female equivalent.

Men perpetuated domestic violence on women AND children far more than women, and as such they were obviously less inclined to parenting which they also reasoned explained the treatment of fathers in the legal system.

Women are statistically more likely to abuse children than men. That's a fact. Now an argument can be made that children spend more time with women, true, but I'm betting your "friends" don't even realize that women perpetuate most of the violence against children.

This is not to say that men are innocent, however again, it's becoming more apparent that these "friends" of yours don't care about these issues, they care about female supremacy (their own supremacy) and the way they morph and mold common feminist talking points is proof of this. If they really cared about domestic violence they wouldn't be approaching the argument they way that they did.

giving them a lift when they were moving into Cambridge, when they couldn't drive there god damn Persian cat to the vets to check out a hairball.

This is the crux of it. You're dealing with extremely shitty people who have immersed themselves in an ideology for the purposes of EXCUSING their shitty behavior and their terrible personalities. They were using you until the risk of having you around (i.e. the chances you might stir-up/question their fucked up view of the world) outweighed the benefits of having you around.

It sounds like you supported a lot of the things that they supported as feminists...i.e. equality. That's great. I think, though, you will find a much more balance approach to many of these issues in mens rights. Not to say that you won't run into "women haters" but you're much more likely to find more well rounded people who care much more about facts, truth, and actual equality than most feminists. I think both feminism and Mens Rights have a place in the world, but the people you ran into were neither of those....they were just shitty people.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-28T11:47:03+00:00

Forget 'em. They're bigots.

literallyschmiteraly · 2013-06-28T13:13:55+00:00

It's not easy to leave a cult, and it doesn't matter what the ideology is, the final discussion is always something like what you experienced.

You will suffer a bit and then you'll be free, and when you look back at them you'll see petty, small-minded, miserable people that you grew out of. And then you'll forget them entirley.

KRosen333 · 2013-06-28T16:55:09+00:00

Hey man..

Don't let them get to you. You are young?

:)

One of those hard lessons you learn in life - there are your friends - people who like you out of a quick convenience, and there are you friends - people who love you like family.

These girls, they didn't care about you. You don't need to care about them, either. And I promise you in a few weeks, when you can look back on it with a fresh set of eyes....

You'll be saying to yourself "what is wrong with me? what took me so long to get away from those little monsters?"

/internet hugs man. Not because gay, but because you should matter too.

Rattatoskk · 2013-06-28T19:37:38+00:00

You acted in good faith, OP. What you didn't expect was the depth of indoctrination you were facing off against. You literally did not stand a chance with the direct route.

Why?

Because these people who you regarded as free thinkers are NOT. Feminism is a thought process. It is not based on science or anything substancial.

I Feel you.

I had my wake-up call a few months ago, when I couldn't wrap my brain around elevator-gate. I was in a heated argument defending feminism with what I assume was an MRA. He challenged me to look at the wage-gap, to REALLY look at it, given it's source material (U.S. Census).

I was going to show him. I was going to drop that info in front of him and show him up.

But, I found that I was the one who had been believing a lie. The wage gap is completely manufactured! And I had to eat my hat and publicly apologize. Like a man.

I wondered how much of it was lies. I drew at straws for a few weeks to defend the indefensible, thinking that the wage gap was a misinterpretation.. an OVERSIGHT.

Nope. That number is just a political tool. It hasn't changed in 30 years, and it's a convenient lie.

The more you find out, the more transparent the lies become. It's a load of misinformation. It's our generations "The sun revolves around the earth."

Speak truth to this, and expect the same treatment as Copernicus.

Anyways, Welcome to the club.

SilencingNarrative · 2013-06-28T14:34:20+00:00

The reply they all gave me was chilling.

You are right to be scared to take up the mantle of men's rights. What you did was call a good number of sacred cows to account, and what you witnessed was how quickly you could be surrounded and cast out as a result.

The main sacred cow you approached was that of male disposability. The life and well-being of men is not valued as much as that of women. If it were, society would not be able to go to war on a moment's notice. And that thought scares the hell out of the average person. Which is why everyone from traditional conservatives to liberal and radical feminists react exactly the same way when you try to raise the issue: they laugh at and marginalize you.

It is possible to call sacred cows to account, but you really have to know what you are doing. You have to patiently study men's issues at some length before you will be ready. If you simply blurt out your thoughts as you have them, thinking other people will honestly engage you, you will be quickly routed and shamed.

Fortunately for you, r/MR is a fantastic training ground. We are beset by all manner of hostiles who engage us constantly, using a wide variety of dirty tricks. You need to try out your arguments here, against determined opposition, and with the support of your fellows, to learn how its done.

After a few months of doing this, you may be ready to practice some engagement among your family and friends. You need to start small and pick your moments.

Bohica69 · 2013-06-28T13:10:57+00:00

Enjoy your life. Don't get married. Fuck young, hot, fit women and live well.

2013-06-28T13:14:04+00:00

I have been talking to people about men's rights regularly for about 7 years now. People's responses have never stopped suprising me. You never know what will just set people off.

VortexCortex · 2013-06-28T14:11:19+00:00

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle"

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Those folks weren't really your friends. Sounds like they were just using you. You think you know someone...

Why do so many people seem to hate [MRAs]?

2013-06-28T16:31:35+00:00

In my experience, I've found most young women (<40) to be extremely self-centered. First they were disney princesses, then they were favoured by crusading elementary-school teachers, then they were taught by their womyn's studies prof that their sense of entitlement was justified. They are products of a twenty-year indoctrination program that has been honed over the course of fifty.

It is sad that you lost your friends. A central tenent of the so-called "progressives" is that everything must be politicized and conformance with the hive mind is required and enforced. This behavior is quite typical.

As a young man, know that our socio-political system is a rigged game and not in your favour. Feminist thought dominates our political discourse and it fingers YOU as an oppressor, regardless of your actual actions. Know this and own it.

If you would permit me to advise you, in your response to your acquaintances (ex-friends), be calm and courteous in your demeanor but firm in your convictions. If they wish to engage you, listen politely, state your facts and conclusions, and ask leading questions. You will not convince them outright but you may plants seeds of doubt in their minds. A screaming match has never convinced anyone of anything.

KRosen333 · 2013-06-28T16:57:14+00:00

It's just, i lost all my friends - and i'm confused as to why they reacted the way they did, i want to campaign for recognition towards men's rights but i'm scared of those women and the like denouncing me.

Ha. If they aren't denouncing you, you are doing something wrong.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Howard_H._Aiken

"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats."

nwz123 · 2013-06-28T17:21:35+00:00

As a group we've often traveled to meetups and protestations to combat and show our support that legislation against abortion and the like is sickening - and they've accused me of that?

They know that, objectively speaking, you aren't a supporter of those things (hence your actions at protesting them). They SAY that you are, however, as a means of exercising power and control: by branding you X, they effectively cut off your voice and label you as 'the other.' Your opinion no longer holds weight, not because it's 'good' or 'bad', but simply because it dared to go against the hive-mind.

As a rule of thumb, don't look at what people say, look at what they DO. It's clear that if they're willing to apply the SAME rules to men that are abhorrent when applied to women (ie the circumcision issue), then their aim isn't to fight oppression...it's to simply change the roles of the 'master' and 'slave'.

If you have any time, look up the whole 'creationism vs evolution' debate on youtube/the internet to see the same thing unfold. Their actions have nothing to do with truth. It's simple in-group/out-group behavior mixed in with the usual affects of power (corruption).

Maschalismos · 2013-06-28T14:36:56+00:00

Don't be scared. Your ability to stand up for what you believed to be true gave you something extremely valuable. You got a look into their soul, their minds, and their identity. If you never speak up like this, you can go YEARS without discovering who the people who you hang out with are really like.

Most young collegiate feminists are not bad people. They by and large have a type of idealism society needs, and actually will agree with you that some things are fucked up with regards to how men are treated. Most just don't think its a priority to fix any of it until female issues are fixed, or they think that slight anti-male discrimination is justified when it helps women.

These ones will argue and debate and discuss with you to your heart's content. You can teach them and they can teach you.

But your so called friends? They are the other type of feminist. They just want to shame people who disagree with them because it makes them feel superior. It isn't about ideologies, it's about confirming that they are right. Their highest pleasure in life is bringing you down to their level of misery. They are the equivalent of conservatives who shame women for getting an abortion or talk about gay people make Jesus cry. They want you to be silent and miserable, because that makes them feel important, and outside of their "social justice" or "equality" pursuits, feeling important is something they have lacked their whole life.

SteveHanJobs · 2013-06-28T14:38:04+00:00

Welcome to the cause, my friend. While women fight to be MORE equal, men are just fighting to be taken seriously and that is a hard pill to swallow.

pragmaticbastard · 2013-06-28T19:30:12+00:00

Wow, now I really don't want to take this issue up with my best friends girlfriend. She is a strong feminist and boarders on feme-nazi in the sense that if you disagree with her, you are wrong and part of the problem (even though I'm feminist myself in forwarding EQUAL treatment).

Even the other moderate feminist females in our group butt heads with her. Those types are the kind you have a hard time talking reasonably with and why I'm not more vocal about my feminist support.

ENTP · 2013-06-28T19:55:43+00:00

they claimed that if a man is erect that they can't logically be raped or sexually assaulted

Now let's gender swap.

they claimed that if a woman is wet that they can't logically be raped or sexually assaulted

Can any feminist can give a convincing case as to how those two are different?

ExpendableOne · 2013-06-28T20:07:34+00:00

If you take an unpopular stance on anything, you are going to lose friends... especially if those friends are scared that associating/supporting with those views might actually cost them socially, sexually or professionally as well. It's a simple fact of living with other people in a society. So, really, there's only two choices. Either be who you want to be, and be prepared to lose friends along the way, or hide that part of you from others and wait until society changes enough for you to come out with your beliefs(which, may not even happen in your lifetime). It's a pretty bleak situation but, it's not likely to change any time soon for men(this is one of those things where men simply cannot have it both ways the way women do), so you kind of just have to prioritize what's more important to you: your beliefs or social acceptance.

2013-06-29T01:48:37+00:00

I've heard it said several times that, in order for feminism to be successful, the participation of men is required. Why then, do they downplay the issues that affect men? Why do they mock men who care about problems that affect themselves, or men who are sympathetic to the men's rights movement?

I have a hard time holding my laughter when I hear people saying that feminism is for everyone, and that it cares about men's issues.

Modern feminism is not about equality and it isn't inclusive to men. It's just another self-serving, us vs them mentality. Your "friends" have already shown this to you. Obviously, they were never your friends to begin with. Real friends care about YOU, not about what you have to offer to their self-serving ideology.

Irrelevant_Tosser · 2013-06-29T02:09:19+00:00

Essentially they said, "you are not disposable, and if you don't believe us we are throwing you out of our group."

2013-06-29T02:17:01+00:00

Dude trust me, you are lucky. For one, you have your own opinion, and not blindly agreeing with what the believe. You are also lucky that these are just friend, or ex-friends, not family, like a mother or an aunt. Also I'd like to comment on the fact that becoming erect isn't a universal "ok". Its an reaction to stimulus, like when nipples get hard in the cold. On the fathers point, I totally disagree with the stereo type that "its always the fathers fault" etc. but, just like you if i share my opinions, i become a women hating villain. Its not that Im against better treatment for women, its just I want equality. Feminism is more of a mob mentality, like the an aryan brotherhood group. Most of the issues feminists have, no longer exist in the US. Gender Equality is pretty much equal, but of course there are pros and cons to each side. We can change body types fast by merely changing our diet and women have to make lifestyle changes, but try thinking of that when you drop $25 bucks to enter a club and that ugly chick gets in for free.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2013-06-29T05:09:08+00:00

Well, they actually mocked me - and then accused me of being a CIS male, happy and content with the current treatment towards women (As they put it, it doesn't affect me).

Then they probably made an argument to the effect of "patriarchy hurts men too," which is an argument that depends on the treatment of women affecting men. So much for logically consistent argumentation.

In regards towards male circumcision they saw no adverse effects. I tried to explain i had no issue with the actual circumcision itself dependent on the medical ground required - but it shouldn't be performed on an unwilling child as it reduces the sexual pleasure and may seriously damage the sexual organ for minor health benefits (which CAN wait until the child is old enough to give consent!)

It seems that their idea of "adverse effects" is "effects which are adverse to me/women." This is no more than the Instrumentalization of men (see Martha Nussbaum's Objectification) - seeing men in terms of their use to women. Combine that with the "men are dogs, they'll do anything to get off, they'll always make sure they get their own pleasure" stereotype with "revenge on men for patriarchy" and add in the "female sexuality is holy and special and so much more mental and deep and male sexuality is just simplistic nerve stimulation" stereotype... and well, the idea that male sexual pleasure actually matters ceases to be relevant.

There response to sexual assault however pushed me over the edge, they claimed that if a man is erect that they can't logically be raped or sexually assaulted

Like I said - the idea that male sexuality is just a matter of nerve stimulation. Its pure biology, a reflex... as such "if he's hard, he must want it."

Your feminist "friends," when making that argument, contributed to rape culture in a very big way.

But when you see men as objects, it doesn't matter whether or not they consent. Objects don't have minds or wills, after all.

Men perpetuated domestic violence on women AND children far more than women, and as such they were obviously less inclined to parenting

Here we are - feminists backing traditional gender roles ("women are better nurturers/natural parents").

Yeah, here's the thing: you are consistent in your opposition to the gender system. Your feminist "friends" are not.

2013-06-29T05:54:38+00:00

If you want to advocate for the MRM in your daily affairs follow these simple rules:

1) Be presentable. If you aren't naturally an "attractive person", work out(but not too much so as to be overly imposing).

2) Try and be friendly, and keep it short and simple.

3)Stick to facts that you know to be solid truths.

4) Know when a person is a bigot. If someone is bigoted they are beyond hope. No amount of facts will work, and all they will do is repeat the same thing with a louder voice.

5) Know when to let go. The people you called friends weren't. Because of your gender, they do not view you as a human being. They view you as a sub-human being.

Don't associate with such individuals, and if they wish to apologize at a later date, make them earn it.

AryoBarzan · 2013-06-29T08:25:27+00:00

Now i didn't lose my temper in the traditional sense But i let loose in a floundering of accusations towards them, of how they were dismissive towards male circumcision (Which, i do NOT support being performed on young children unwillingly) and the downplaying of sexual assault and domestic violence against men!

You know, I've argued with quite a few feminists on reddit alone who have attempted to convince me that feminists not only "care about men", but are certainly interested in "fighting male circumcision". Ironically enough, I have yet to single feminist protest in favor of banning male circumcision or actually doing fuck all for men. Not a single one.

This is why I've learned to ignore what people say and judge actions. ACTIONS speak volumes over words. I'm glad you now understand how cancerous, hateful and manipulative feminism really is.

p3ndulum · 2013-06-29T10:19:18+00:00

they claimed that if a man is erect that they can't logically be raped or sexually assaulted

If that's the case, then a woman can't be raped if she can have an orgasm while being raped.

supadupa82 · 2013-06-29T16:45:17+00:00

I completely understand. I have seen the same reaction from my female friends. Even my fiance claims that saying "Mens Rights" is offensive! My comment to her was that I am for sexual equality, and that if its OK to say "Womans Rights" it should be OK to "Mens Rights" Her response was a shouted "MEN HAVE ENOUGH RIGHTS! TAKE RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM!" In that moment I felt truly ashamed of the woman I love. We dont talk about that subject anymore.

YorkistTory · 2013-06-28T14:22:24+00:00

You're part of the silent majority, most people agree with you. Get friends who aren't nutters in the future.

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DavidByron · 2013-06-28T16:56:10+00:00

Well no doubt you will get advised to "find new friends" but it's not always that simple is it?

Yes it is costly to stand up for what is right and make a statement when someone around you is making sexist or racist comments, especially so if others appear to back them up. You don't have to make a big argument about it though. It's enough to just trip up their prejudiced line of thinking. All you have to do is say, "that's sexist" or "that's racist" or even "that's not right". That's all. You don't have to debate it, you don't have to argue. All you have to do is make it known that their prejudices are being noticed.

intensely_human · 2013-06-29T03:06:35+00:00

Is that Cambridge, MA, mate? Or Cambridge, England?

notcaptainkirk · 2013-06-29T18:17:12+00:00

Welcome to the world we live in. Anyone who doesn't toe the feminist line is a misogynistic pig and anyone who hurts men is a hero. It's sick and twisted. While there were heros of feminism, they are spinning in their graves with the current crop of misandrists (not a default word in Google Chrome, I have just discovered) who run the movement now. I compare it to the MADD movement being taken over by closet abolitionists.

Stay strong, if these people bailed on you for this, they were never your friends. You were just being used for your kindness and belongings (ie vehicle). Friends are people who stick with you through thick and thin. Even when you are in the wrong, which you most definitely are NOT here.

Future advice, do not argue every single point in one sitting. And if someone refuses to acknowledge the grotesque nature of male circumcision while talking with you, at least you've planted the seed. You won't change ANYONE'S mind right away. But you can plant the seed of doubt.

Djengiskhan7 · 2013-06-29T18:46:29+00:00

GLad to hear that you are seeing the light. One thing you should really reflect on is the asymmetrical codependent aspect of your relationship with these women and what that says about you (and them) as people in personal relationships outside of feminist activism. My guess is that you have displayed a lot of codependent nice guy traits in romantic relationships as well. I highly recommend you check out the book no more mister nice guy and read about codependence and narcissism at therawness.com. Maybe also check out theredpillredditt.

Don`t be afraid of their reactions to you. The tide is turning and in a few years they will really be feeling that their side is starting to loos and yours is winning. Just stand strong. Tease and mock them and show them you are unaffected by them (which you should learn to become).

Djengiskhan7 · 2013-06-29T19:13:30+00:00

I am sure they will follow your Facebook page to see what you are up to. Post MRA videos and stats and articles that argue your case and piss them off and make them go into their most irrational mode. When they are in that mode they alienate people.

Mythandros · 2013-06-29T21:02:27+00:00

They were never your friends to begin with. You were a useful male to have around to do stuff for them, that's it. They never cared one whit about you, as their behavior proves.

You were being used.

mikesteane · 2013-06-30T10:14:09+00:00

You're talking to the wrong people. Use your energy to talk to people in the middle of the road. Many have simply not had the enormous discrimination against men pointed out to them and, as soon as it is, they can no longer sit on the fence. Use your time and efforts efficiently and avoid anyone who has a fixed political point of view.

doules107 · 2013-06-30T12:21:54+00:00

what does CIS stand for? i have always been curious about feminist lingo

2013-07-01T11:34:40+00:00

I don't publicly anounce my position on mens rights, womens rights or sexual politics at all for the reasons that I may be shot down and my reputation dragged through the dirt and as a young male with no job it would really suck if any potential employers saw "Sexist" plastered over my name when they do an internet search on me.

these reasons actually can be given for many males on many different topics of mens rights.

lefo1340 · 2013-06-29T08:39:25+00:00

Hahahahahahhahahahahaha. Maybe now you'll see. Probably not though.

r_rships_account · 2013-06-30T04:06:00+00:00

Well, now that you see their true face, what are you going to do?

Are you going to waste your time being an "ally" on their made-up issues, or are you going to stop being a goddamn mangina and stand up for what you believe in, alone if necessary?

HardCoreModerate · 2013-06-28T17:58:52+00:00

you lost all of your friends because you acted out in an angry and aggressive way. It has nothing to do with your point of view. Of course, people here will try to reassure you and prop up your point of view because they are all ostracized too. They will encourage more behavior that causes you to become belittled further.

Instead learn to think independently and stop following extremist driven agendas. It is okay to express viewpoints to someone they might not agree with if you do it in a constructive way. If they are extremist they wont take kindly to it. Conversely if you express your point of view in an extremist way or parrot "talking points" of a movement, well then you will be made fun of by normal folks.

TL;DR: turn away from the extremists movements, learn to think for yourself, express your views in an evenhanded calm manner.

mountainmansOG · 2013-06-28T19:14:14+00:00

i'm scared of those women and the like denouncing me.

Okay. Not gonna hold back here. You're being a wimp. A big, scaredy, fuckin wimp. You're not going to change womens minds on this issue, you're just not. They're all of them consciously aware of the privilege that feminism has bought them, just like slave owners were well aware of the singular advantage of slavery and free labor, and they're going to fight to keep it to the bitter end. It doesn't matter how illogical their arguments are to them and proving them wrong won't get them to reconsider, it'll only make them angrier. Walking away from them and refusing to support them as first class citizens will get you the attacks you've gotten.

If you want to avoid those attacks, work hard to change MENS minds and quit hanging out with self-centered cunts. It'll be nearly impossible to find any women who aren't "self-oriented" so good luck. I'd say try the one's who aren't terribly attractive, it's harder for them to be cunts because their appearance doesn't contribute to their worth as a person....because they aren't purdy.

Title	As a young man, i am scared to take up the mantle of men's rights.
Author	Kjerome
Upvotes	140
Comments	190
Date	June 28, 2013 11:21 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1h8q2e/as_a_young_man_i_am_scared_to_take_up_the_mantle/
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