Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again

WeEatBabies · 2023-03-23T07:25:06+00:00

Men as partners are the problem

Any feminists reading this : You are the one common link in all of your failed relationships.

Look inward and find a therapist who will help you out of Femceldom!

And remember this, we don't owe you marriage because you were nice to us for 15 minutes.

Standard-Broccoli107 · 2023-03-23T07:49:21+00:00

Not having kids is a choice women are free to make, but they should be aware that it is a choice. Too often it seems like a game of how you can blame men for womens problems. Feminists wants to be both empowered and the victim, but those two are opposites.

These women chose relationships where their partner didnt want kids, or they chose hookups in their yourh over establishing stable relationships. They made choices, yet they blame the men.

I chose to enter a relationship with a woman who didnt want kids, so Im not going to try to be the victim, because im not. To me the relationship was more important than kids.

Im not the victim, just like these women arent victims.

KrazyJazz · 2023-03-23T08:23:04+00:00

Eighty-two percent of all the women in the study were single...Some women had never been in a serious relationship for reasons they could not quite understand...Between the never-married singles and the women whose relationships had ended, four-fifths of women in this study were single.

What about a tremendous lack of self awareness despite being super-duper educated?

Among the nearly 10% of women who were in stable relationships, women were undertaking egg freezing while waiting for their partners to be "ready" to have children. Men who were "unready" cited various reasons for their delay, for example, completion of advanced degrees or professional training, significant career moves, or in some cases, because they were significantly younger than their female partners.

Ambition. When it comes to men, it's a problem if they don't have some. It's also a problem when they do have some. Hey! When ~~the gift from Heaven~~ a woman is ready to breed, she's ready. That means her husband/partner/BF is ready too, whether he likes it or not...

I argue that educated American women have a specific "men as partners" problem as well, one that needs to be recognized, called out, and confronted.

American ~~goddesses~~ women, in the other hand, are perfectly fine, balanced and reasonable, right? No problemo...at all...says the 66 years old married with two kids (27 & 24) overeducated bourgeois feminist from Connecticut.

Men are the problem. It took a PhD & a lifetime of studies and observations to spawn such a revolutionary, groundbreaking theory. Amazing.

fuckfsihateem · 2023-03-23T08:37:16+00:00

Ahh yes it's our fault for not wanting to fuck and marry them.

Tell me, which gender has been screeching about men upset about not having sex/partners as "disgusting incels" for the past decade or so?

DicksonCider205 · 2023-03-23T16:01:49+00:00

When men are single and lonely: Men need to do better

When women are single and lonely: Men need to do better

McFeely_Smackup · 2023-03-23T14:51:44+00:00

Some women had never been in a serious relationship for reasons they could not quite understand. Many of these single women expressed regret and puzzlement over how they had "ended up" this way.

I'm sure everyone else is the problem..

BoomTheBear86 · 2023-03-23T09:36:35+00:00

From the article:

“Exhibiting bad behaviours such as infidelity and ageism…” (describing men’s contribution towards these women not having a partner)

Fuck. Right. Off.

Infidelity is not a one way street. Since sexual opportunities have opened up to women infidelity in women has skyrocketed. The difference is most men are not in a position to cheat because most men don’t have massive access to women who want to sleep with them. So the behaviours of the top end of men are being generalised onto the whole.

And ageism? Fuck off. People are allowed to not want to date someone because of a certain age.

Basically, these established women are moaning because men in “their bracket” don’t want them. Feminism has sold you a lie ladies.

Successful, powerful and rich men do not, and have never wanted women who are wealthy and powerful. Why? Because men do not give a single flying fuck about a woman’s material status. Men will marry waitresses and baristas if they’re attracted to her. They don’t care. A woman being a “big boss” CEO with 5 kinds of higher education means little to them because it doesn’t make a woman more or less attractive, because power, influence and financial security are masculine traits and men by and large aren’t looking to date a carbon copy of themselves.

Men have always been unequivocally clear on this. Men value youth, purity and faithfulness. They look for partners who are attractive, nurturing and do not undermine his ability to exercise his masculine role. A woman jostling for prime position in the financial and education stakes represents a potential argumentative partner, so why would a man pick that woman when a younger, less of potentially challenging woman is also willing to partner up with him?

You can pathologise it all you like. It doesn’t matter. Men just do not see age, finances and power as attractive as women do, and it’s not their fault. It’s just how things are. Don’t be pissed off at men for behaving as they have done for thousands of years. Be pissed off that feminism convinced you you can behave like this and still “have it all” regarding the perks of being a “traditional woman” when you’re non traditional.

There is nothing wrong with women wanting to work and be rich. But just be smart and honest enough to realise that if you’re doing these things, don’t do them because you think that’s what men want, or should want, because men have NEVER as a group by and large articulated this to be the case. Feminism was telling you what a woman can do to be powerful, and capable, not what makes her desirable as a partner for men.

And the result now is now that this is clear, the only way forward is for feminism to start telling men what they SHOULD be attracted to so it aligns with what feminism says. Piss off. Ladies are entitled to want what they want, no problem. Same for men.

Men expressing their preferences in a partner is a natural right they have. It cannot be taken away.

Terrible_Departure90 · 2023-03-23T12:08:50+00:00

Blame everyone and everything but the women themselves. Ever thought that the women aren’t fit to be mothers, and care more about their career since they are “highly educated and professional”? There are guys who aren’t ready for a baby or are just playing around but it ain’t a majority nor is it the problem.

chupasway · 2023-03-23T13:08:07+00:00

"Men who are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women, leaving these women single for many years."

"Leaving these women single" lolololol like its the men forcing these women to be single.

ShadovinX · 2023-03-23T08:04:28+00:00

This reminds me of the ol feminista statement from about a decade ago now that shamed men for not f**king fat chicks.

All this 'sexual revolution' experiment was going so well for the ladies until men started exercising their own preferences. Now all the sudden it's a problem and how dare men have standards at all!

I also find it amusing that the author is both completely unaware of her own bias on the subject and how, as such, she elected not to take into account female mating strategy. These women aren't freezing their eggs because they can't find partners, they are freezing their eggs because they aren't getting the men they want, because the kind of men who care about a woman's income generally don't have much income themselves. And really, lets be honest, it is an extreme minority of men out there with granny fetishes; (in regards to the ageism comment the author mentioned)
Sorry ladies, that 20 something Chad isn't interested in popping babies into your 55 year old, dead womb, to start a family. He's the pool boy.

Unnecessary_Timeline · 2023-03-23T08:40:20+00:00

Eighty-two percent of all the women in the study were single, with no partner in sight.

Wonderful! Let’s create more single mothers! Nevermind that single mothers are a population whose children are twice as likely to drop out of high school, 2.5 times more likely to become teen moms, 1.5 times as likely to be unemployed and not looking for work, and are less likely to go to college, have lower GPAs, and have more unexcused absences while attending K-12 education.

I may be dating myself here, this kind of ideology is reminiscent of an older catchphrase…I believe it was… “Fuck Them Kids”

niko_xf · 2023-03-23T09:26:59+00:00

The coping is astounding in this woman's research. According to her women found themselves in relationships with unstable, unready, cheating or too young men. How do you find yourself in a bad relationship? Didn't they choose and stayed with these men? Maybe they should educate these desperate women that freezing eggs in mid to late 30s is not very effective. Most of favourable stats for success are from egg freezing up to mid 20s. Men should know that too, also the cost involved.

suj1290 · 2023-03-23T10:04:10+00:00

Women are perfect in everything according to them.Its always men who are the problem.Poor women always victim

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2023-03-23T12:54:10+00:00

So she makes her living dealing with women who cant find partners. She writes a book about why it isn't there fault they cant find partners and they are smart for using her product. She tells them its not them its all the bad men. So she is a well paid propagandists who is making bank off al these strong independent women who are hitting the wall. Another take away is that all these women cant find a sucker to financially burden with their offspring but its not their fault. Yet when a large number of men are single and "lonely" its the men's fault for not being good enough for all the single ladies.

Torsten_Das_Toast · 2023-03-23T11:26:17+00:00

i could write a whole article about this insane women circlejerk, but my favourite is: "women found themselves...". an active choice of a woman letting a men into her life and she still is the victim & bears no responsibility. absolutely ridiculous

AndyBrown65 · 2023-03-23T12:52:09+00:00

It’s always twisted to be a man’s fault

ARedditorCalledQuest · 2023-03-23T18:47:59+00:00

The world doesn't owe me a wife. The world doesn't owe you a husband. The world certainly doesn't owe you a baby.

Whateverhappens00 · 2023-03-23T13:34:31+00:00

Maybe these woman, should look inward, of there own behaviour. It's hard for me to comprehend, how we as a society, never holding woman accountability for there actions. We never teach woman, that sometimes they are the one to blame. No instead society continue doubling down, on how woman are the victims and men are to blame all the time. It tells me, that there is no correlation between intelligence and education, since we have reached this point of stupidity in our society. Secondly these women have to know. Having a child is not like having a dog. How selfish it is, to plan having a child, as a single parents. They should be ashame of them self, by freezing there eggs down.

Me as a man, feel lots of guilt, of the wrong doing I have done in my life, and take fully responsibility of that. Something that should be obvious for most humans, including men and women

HistoryBuffLakeland · 2023-03-23T14:32:39+00:00

Many women simply refuse to date anyone who earns less than them

Cromwellity · 2023-03-23T14:14:00+00:00

Time and time again studies show it’s WOMEN that are unwilling to “settle” for a man that doesn’t make more than them

It’s the height of hypocrisy to blame men for these women not having a (in their opinion) “suitable” partner

Session-Special · 2023-03-23T07:35:38+00:00

well considering this person works in humanities - they have to justify their yale position somehow.

don_kong1969 · 2023-03-23T14:13:14+00:00

This comes down in large part to entitlement. 80% of women feel entitled to the top 20% of men so they are all fighting for the same group of men who have many options. If women would lower their standards to include more men in the dating pool then they would find the men who have more similar relationship and family goals. The top 20% of men with all of the options are having fun dating the top 80% of women and are in no hurry to settle down.

djc_tech · 2023-03-23T17:47:55+00:00

Funny how it’s relationship problems but none of the women hold themselves accountable for their problems it’s always the men.

Perhaps - and I believe this - those women aren’t relationship value and the men they weee with don’t see value in being in a long term relationship or marriage with these aforementioned women.

I know I’ve “dated” plenty of women with no intention of long term because well…they weren’t relationship material and not someone who I’d want to engage with in a daily basis. But yeah it’s all the guy’s faults

WarProgenitor · 2023-03-23T14:41:20+00:00

The sub is being brigaded by feminists now?..

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

vrajaram · 2023-03-23T10:58:05+00:00

Well, the wall is real and doesn't have emotions.

No_Discipline_7867 · 2023-03-23T14:53:29+00:00

I prefer my eggs scrambled.

ialwayspay4mydrinks · 2023-03-23T15:33:45+00:00

Is that Carol Baskin

SilentKiller96 · 2023-03-23T18:13:02+00:00

Femcels on the rise? Or can we only use such terms to refer to men?

Foxsayy · 2023-03-24T05:34:52+00:00

To wit, highly educated American professional women are often trying their hardest to find compatible male partners, with whom they can build families. But these stories exemplify women's three major partnership challenges:

Men who are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women, leaving these women single for many years. Men who are unready for marriage and children, often leading to relationship demise. Men who exhibit bad behavior, including infidelity and ageism, which often leads to relationship instability and rupture. Men as partners are the problem

You aren't allowed preference. You give those women babies now and this complex social issue can definitely be defined as men being bad in 3 bullet points

what_i_reckon · 2023-03-23T16:42:29+00:00

Men who are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women, leaving these women single for many years.

This is the bit that really pisses me off! The truth is that most average men would be more than happy to partner up with a ‘high-achieving woman’. The fact is that these ‘high-achieving women’ don’t want to partner with an average man.

I’ve always done just fine in dating in my 39 years of life. I’ve never given a second thought to a potential girlfriends job or education level. And as a carpenter myself I have never ever ever ever been give the opportunity to seriously date a woman with a degree or a higher paying profession than mine.

heeroena · 2023-03-23T09:49:51+00:00

That title was so confusing, i had to click to see what it is all about. Wasn't disappointed. It is that ridiculous

Francis_Dollar_Hide · 2023-03-23T15:34:33+00:00

Men who are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women, leaving these women single for many years.

- You mean women who are likely reluctant to be stay at home mothers?

Men who are unready for marriage and children, often leading to relationship demise.

- But the women chose to stay with these men and 'change their minds'?

Men who exhibit bad behavior, including infidelity and ageism, which often leads to relationship instability and rupture.

- Married men and women cheat at virtually the same rate (M-28% F-24%) and age is absolutely a legitimate factor in choosing a partner to have kids as it's scientifically provable to be more dangerous (geriatric pregnancy phase) in older women.

Camaowen · 2023-03-23T16:17:31+00:00

She’s a gender scholar, dude!

ArcturasMooCow · 2023-03-23T20:31:06+00:00

Remember when men weren't needed? Yeah, me neither 🐮

Minute_Ad_1494 · 2023-03-23T21:03:17+00:00

I don't think this is a problem at all.

Studies show that college educated women are around 50% less likely to get divorced https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/

Women who get married between 28-40 have the lowest divorce rates. Although as long as you wait until 25 you're probably ok. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2378023119873497&ved=2ahUKEwjox6SY-PL9AhUkk2oFHXfIBK4QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3KMUwYYo70RUh5g_u1RsXF

Women who marry someone close to them in age have lowest divorcerates. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/age-difference-between-spouses-impacts-likelihood-of-divorce-34215

So basically, getting an education and marrying later in life is a smart idea if you want to avoid divorce.

However the author in this study is weird as fuck for blaming everything on men. This isn't mens fault because this isn't a problem at all. Lots of older couples rely on sperm banks, since the man's sperm quality isn't good anymore. So why is it only a "problem" for women?

Vaudeville_Clown · 2023-03-23T21:20:02+00:00

" a specific "men as partners" problem as well, one that needs to be recognized, called out, and confronted"

Oh really, a confrontation? What are you going to do? Are you going to publish a bunch of man shaming articles and run it in old media news rags? That strategy burned out 10 years ago, and not even the most insecure men are susceptible to be swayed by that any longer. Besides the audience is aging and all but female now.

Apart from that, you have nothing. Any other solution would involve tyranny and shotgun marriages. That's too far even for a gender charlatan.

But I digress, I honestly think she's lying. She's just another grifter making bank on bewildered women with that sweet, yet ultimately hollow "It's not you, it's them".

I'm getting less and less triggered by these man shaming articles, and everything designed to pep, coddle and "empower" women. When you see what it does to women who marinate in it for too long, holy shit! Maybe we're the lucky ones?

At least we get to keep our minds.

Sufficient_Rip6595 · 2023-03-23T23:02:50+00:00

So what is every guy part of the problem? That they turn to freezing their eggs? Well amount of times I have been miss treated by women! Does not mean now put all women in same category.

crz8956 · 2023-03-24T10:05:34+00:00

Did she mentioned the succes rate of insemination of an egg after it has been frozen?

If not, I will. It is quite low. Eggcells do not tolerate freezing that well, way worse than sperm. So, seem slike sexual selection takes care of the problems.

DA-ZACHYZACHY · 2023-03-23T14:38:52+00:00

People say that woman have to choose between children or careers.

Men have to do the same thing. I know a guy who's a high ranking exec for a company. He doesn't have children, he can't. He has to travel around too much to do that. He goes on holiday, and he's answering emails every night.

ZekalMacabre · 2023-03-23T15:11:32+00:00

It's funny because the ugly as fuck feminist bitch that wrote this never had a man to begin with so she has no experience with men.

I mean look at her, I wouldn't fuck that with a 1000 mile pole.

thingpaint · 2023-03-23T16:32:15+00:00

You didn't put time and effort into finding a quality partner in your 20's and 30's and now are upset you couldn't find a quality partner.

Sounds like a you problem.

RandyRenegade · 2023-03-23T13:26:22+00:00

This is identical to the tate followers constantly complaining about "modern women." If you can't maintain a relationship with anyone of the opposite sex, that's a you problem

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Equal-End7695 · 2023-03-23T21:38:26+00:00

Typical feminist sadly. Refuses to be accountable for her own actions and vilifies men for her hitting the brick wall.

JoeyBellef · 2023-03-24T01:17:56+00:00

This isn’t a men’s rights group! Why am I seeing this shit!!

VanillaFudge_1 · 2023-03-23T17:46:32+00:00

Anybody have a link to “this study”. If she is basing her 82% of all women off of 150 women she interviewed when there is 108M women in the US, then that claim is rubbish. Come on now 😂

trolsor · 2023-03-23T20:27:16+00:00

Let me translate : our career is more important than merriage and having kids . And we are afraid to become infertile when we get older. If some man wants to merry us when we get older and prune , there will be lot of you ger and more beautifull competetors . Top of being older if we can find some idiot enough rich and career and unmerried and IF he wants to be a father and if we can not give birth we have zero chance .

Henry_Blair · 2023-03-24T05:34:58+00:00

50% of all marriages end in a divorce and 80% of those 50% are ended by the woman, meaning 0.8*50%=40% of all marriages are ended by women compared to only 0.2*50%=10% of all marriages ended by men, that is 40% of married women compared to only 10% of married men will end their marriage, that is 90% of married men will not initiate divorce but only 60% of married women will not initiate a divorce, which means that if you are a women wanting to get married you see in front of you a world where you have 90% chance that the man won't decide to divorce you but if you are a man you look at the same world and see 60% chance, almost fifty-fifty, that the woman will decide to leave you (and women with advanced degrees initiate divorces in higher rates than the overall female 40%, bringing the chance for any man dating them of receiving from them a divorce notification to practically 50:50, or higher), and now add to those prospects the consequences of divorces for men compared to the consequence for women (women mostly ask when thinking of divorce, "will I find a new love", men mostly ask "will I end up in the street, or in prison, or poor, or isolated, or committing suicide"). If one player wants all the power they can have it but they can't expect anyone to want to play such a game with them.

I'm sure women would by running into marriages if they knew that there's almost 50% chance that the man would divorce them and that then they may end up in prison, the street, poor for good or isolated from their children indefinitely.

dixieStates · 2023-03-24T05:54:13+00:00

Ghod, what a c*nt

Roddy0608 · 2023-03-24T18:08:22+00:00

I'm just not attracted to that kind woman.

Title	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again
Author	parasitius
Upvotes	390
Comments	123
Date	March 23, 2023 6:42 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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