Why is there such an Imbalance in showing Data/Studys between the Pills?

Colt_Master · 2025-08-02T10:30:08+00:00

Here you have two bluepill bloggers frequently using data to support their claims:

https://nuancepill.substack.com/

Redpill and blackpill communities 1. usually have their networks that share studies that validate their controversial worldviews (example), as opposed to bluepill normies that don't really tune into the science 2. By virtue of bluepill being the 'mainstream' and the redpill being the 'counter-culture', in practice redpillers end up with the burden of proof in most debates 3. Have the benefit of being able to use shocking eye-catching 'evidence' with high meme power, like the 60-30 singleness gap survey that gets posted to hell and back due to how shocking it looks, whereas the more common but boring 55-45 surveys don't get shared nor posted.

Needless to say, redpillers also tend to have heavy problems both cherrypicking (as already commented) and interpreting and drawing conclusions from the evidence (for example, on basically everything the redpill claims regarding 'dark triad'/'bad boys', and which you also seem to mention in your post).

ILikeBird · 2025-08-02T11:43:48+00:00

I’ve cited studies to support my argument before and it usually just gets ignored or “shut down” by RP commenters (ex. that data isn’t accurate because women aren’t honest with their preferences).

On the sample branch, most of the RPers I’ve debated on this sub haven’t provided any studies to support their argument (even if I directly request it). And those that do, tend to draw conclusions far beyond the scope of the study, cite theory as solid proof (most evolution-based arguments), or provide studies with low sample sizes as absolute truth.

I’ve even seen a study that cited a p<0.1 as significant, which should be considered blasphemy (though this is more on the researchers for publishing it in the first place). But in general, I think both sides need to learn more about how to properly interpret study findings and basic checks to ensure a study is good quality.

Solondthewookiee · 2025-08-02T12:07:55+00:00

There is a Ton posted of Red Pill stuff like here is Data that shows Bullies have more sex, here is Data that shows woman find the most men ugly, here is Proof that attractive guys instantly count as nice and ugly guys instantly as bad....

The fun thing is that red pill virtually always misrepresents data or just straight up fabricates it. Look how many times red pillers have tried to claim women swiping right less frequently or finding tall men attractive means that they are all chasing the same men. Look at how they have completely lied about the OKCupid survey which explicitly says the opposite of what they claim. Look at how they have continually tried to present a blog post as irrefutable evidence.

Red pill thrives on having a veneer of pseudo-intellectualism, but fails to hold up against even the mildest scrutiny.

why isnt there such a thing (or its very rare) for Blue Piller arguments?

Like what?

Few-Yesterday9628 · 2025-08-02T11:28:40+00:00

Because redpill was served all these "stats" by the podcast bros, who intentionally misconstrue every single study and come to complete opposite conclusions than the study itself, just to farm rage. And every time I've been provided a study? It's been the exact opposite information of what they claim it to be.

Most recent one was the claim that women are dating the same men. Claimed that it was a Pew Research study that came to this conclusion. I asked for the source, and I was given a medium.com article that referenced a Pew Study that 50% of men under 30 are single.

Realistically, bluepill is just here to poke holes in the redpill nonsense.

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-08-02T10:03:34+00:00

Yeah, it's just that we don't need to. I have noticed that the RP are here to "prove themself" and explain why this is different than the BP narrative. One can say that BP is the initial state for everyone and RP is a mutation. So BP will only refute to keep the status quo

But in general we see people being illiterate in statistics, making over generalizations. I generally see something like. RP see that chicken is the most consumed animal and conclude that "humans are carnivores". Yep but it ignore what other nutrients we're taking. So just pointing out that is sufficient, but one can bring studies about the consumption of human beings if necessary

torytho · 2025-08-02T18:35:14+00:00

Because RP doesn't listen to actual data. RP lacks critical reading & thinking skills. They're informed exclusively by emotion but convinced themselves they believe in data by cherrypicking points they think reinforce their emotions.

meisterkraus · 2025-08-02T13:37:37+00:00

Some times they bo post them but they don't show what they think it shows.

For example there was the study of body count vs BMI. It was claimed that it showed fat dudes got just as much sex. But it fails in that. BMI doesn't distinguish what type of mass, just that it is there.

2025-08-03T07:25:30+00:00

Two main reasons:

1) The blue pill isn't a specific and consistent world view. Most people just use it as a signal that they disagree with the red pill. In such cases no actual proof is needed because you can prove something wrong without needing to prove anything else right.

2) The red pillers often use a shotgun blast approach to citing sources. They'll cite a lot of studies but they are all either flawed or don't prove their point. Ice yet to see a study linked by a red piller that hasn't been a flawed study or misunderstood by the person citing it.

_weedkiller_ · 2025-08-02T13:39:32+00:00

On the whole Red Pill seems much less able to use statistics in a meaningful way. There’s a lack of knowledge of the scientific method, I assume because many are still teenagers. They love a catchy statistic, feel validated by it, but don’t actually seem to have an accurate interpretation of the data they are presenting.

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esdebah · 2025-08-02T18:50:48+00:00

I have posted a bunch. It gets taken down by the mods and called low effort.

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