The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"

beachredwhine · 2018-12-11T05:07:39+00:00

So here's the thing guys. Those girls don't want to date you. They don't want to marry you. They want to date and marry a man who doesn't think that a girl loving a sex is some kind of bizarre freak. They want to marry a man they can tell their entire life story to.

Perfect. Then everyone is in agreement. Men should be honest with themselves about what their preferences are, women should be honest with themselves about the fact that they need to find a man who genuinely accepts their past--errrybody happy!

Hell you know what even that is fine if you, the man, can work through why you feel that way, correctly identify who is making you feel that way (here's a hint it's not the girl), and grow.

No man owes any woman this. She can go find someone who does want to do this for her. That seems pretty self evident.

But if you project your insecurities on her?

You're right. He shouldn't do that. He should just move on.

And if you have an emotional breakdown listening to her real life then you will not only never actually hear about her real life (so what kind of marriage could you actually have?) and she won't want to be your wife anyway so you have nothing to worry about.

So what's the problem? They can both find someone else. I literally don't see what the point of all this post is

The guy that these dastardly cuties who have had sex with men that aren't me, want to marry understands that he's not the only man in the world. He understands that all of the women who are alive aren't going to secloister themselves just in case we one day meet. And even if he doesn't understand why women make the choices they do, how they felt when they did, and what the consequences for their choices were, he'll be the guy that listens to her and comes to understand.

This sounds suspiciously like "if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best." Just. Date. Someone. Else.

But these "sluts" really don't care in the least that insecure guys who can't listen and don't understand that other guys exist are not going to marry them. They don't want to marry that guy in the first place so this is no loss.

Good! Date. Someone. Else. Who. Is. Ok. With. Your. Sexual. History. Pleeeeeassseeee

RedditRouge00 · 2018-12-11T06:15:59+00:00

Why are there so many posts like these ? In such a condescending tone to them? Not really an argument but just an accusation? Some have struck a cord with a lot here.

throwinout · 2018-12-11T06:05:15+00:00

This is assuming the slut doesn't lie about her history and doesn't pretend to be someone she's not.

cxj · 2018-12-11T09:30:17+00:00

No one, slut or otherwise, likes thinking about their lover with someone else. This is just not natural. Even literal cucks are eroticizing fear.

TRP is not some crazy entity for disliking the idea of their SOs having had a lot of partners.

each individual woman will have entire stories, feelings, thoughts and emotions about her entire life

Ohhhhhhhh wow I care so so so much about these special and unique fucking snowflakes!!!! So do other real men 😂

None of these “life stories” change the fact that most people dislike promiscuity in their partner, they just do and no amount of “reasoning” will change them. God damn why is this so hard for ppd to understand.

The only people getting virgins/low n count are the people who paid off early on and permanently with each other. The overwhelming majority of everyone else (promiscuous people) act that way they do because they’re damaged.

This post is trying soooooo hard to be “above it all” and “enlightened” and it’s just trash. One of the worst I’ve read in a while. Azn girls drunk Texas Roadhouse post was less shitty than this.

washington_breadstix · 2018-12-11T08:41:56+00:00

Can't we just agree that neither "sluts" nor "slut-averse men" care in the least what the other group thinks and shouldn't have to care?

A lot of the guys in this sub who get called out for slut shaming have just been making this same point all along. Go settle down with someone who has no problem with your past. Instead of trying to talk your partner into "accepting" your past when you know it's a lost cause, everyone should just find someone else with a compatible past and/or compatible attitudes toward each other's pasts. It will spare everyone a massive headache.

exit_sandman · 2018-12-11T12:11:02+00:00

The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"

Two problems with this:

The guys sluts want to marry are, like the ideal men for pretty much all women, attractive and successful guys - and these qualities are largely independent on them liking sluts or not. Sure, a slut may prefer a guy who is okay with her being a slut, but at the end of the day that's merely a tier 2 quality.
Just because these sluts want a guy (an attractive one) who is okay with marrying a slut doesn't mean that she'll also get one. Because at the end of the day there's only a finite supply of men who (a) are attractive and (b) are also okay with marrying a slut; and unless the slut brings enough qualities to the tables herself, she'll have to pick another man. One who isn't particularly attractive, or not okay with marrying a slut, or neither.

k-ma · 2018-12-11T06:51:04+00:00

Great! I wasn't planning on dating or marrying a slut anyway. I'll leave it to guys like you to act as their emotional tampons, husbands, and eventual divorcees.

poppy_blu · 2018-12-11T12:52:04+00:00

I know right? Like a slut wants to marry Poindexter McStemlord anyway. LOL

dylang92 · 2018-12-11T19:21:24+00:00

Who hurt you?

blackedoutfast · 2018-12-11T05:58:25+00:00

who cares what sluts want. and only a desperate beta cuck cuck gets married in 2018 anyway.

is there anything more submissive and betaish than proposing to a woman? i think not.

you literally kneel in front of her like a eunuch slave grovelling before his master. you hand over a pricey piece of jewelry that serves no purpose except to allow her to demonstrate just how much of a beta bucks provider dupe she has wrapped around her finger. and you ask her if you are allowed to marry her. it's the ultimate act of symbolic self-castration.

and now you're actually trying to humblebrag about the fact that sluts apparently think you are marriage material?

passepar2t · 2018-12-11T13:44:00+00:00

ITT, people still think that some women aren't sluts. Just lol.

They're all sluts, fellas.

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-12-11T17:17:03+00:00

I can't really challenge the view, other than to say

The guys that sluts want to marry are good looking, sexually attractive men who have a lot of experience dating, fucking, handling and managing sluts, but those men don't want to marry sluts because of said experience.

It's a moot point, because most sluts don't end up marrying those men. They end up marrying a beta orbiter or less attractive man who will have them, who either (1) doesn't know about her past; (2) knows about that past but has no idea of its significance or of the shitshow headed his way; or (3) knows about that past and its significance but believes she won't do that to him because she's "reformed" and "changed", and he's a "good man" (moral, kind, religious, nice to her, upstanding).

You're correct that those girls want to date and marry men who can hear all about their slutty pasts and be OK with it. But they can't do that because those men will happily fuck them seven ways from Sunday, but won't marry them. The men who are OK with their sluttiness are also the men who will not marry her, and will marry a girl with N of 0 to 2, and then cheat on her, because they can.

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-12-11T09:18:34+00:00

Here's some relevant data.

Romantic partners showed a significant level of matching in the prior number of intercourse partners. Further, among the married couples, a higher discrepancy between men's and women's number of previous intercourse partners was related to lower levels of love, satisfaction, and commitment in the relationship.

Sluts are usually dating men that are just as slutty as they themselves are. Chad isn't dating some prude virgin, he starts dating one of the girls he hooks up with. He isn't neurotically thinking about pair bonding, he simply bonds with similar minded women.

A third of men don't even want to date virgins

As usual TRPers based their theories solely on solipsism. They themselves don't want to date promiscuous women and thus assume that the same is true for all men, even though guys that are actually successful with women do not share the same insecurities as them.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2018-12-11T16:20:33+00:00

Troll post....

beachredwhine · 2018-12-11T17:09:02+00:00

This should be a CMV

"Secloister"? Good mashup.

Noxin__Nixon · 2018-12-11T20:03:18+00:00

I dated a virgin, good religious girl once. Worst dating experience of my life. Never dated that type again and I've definitely preferred the "sluts". Really the stupidest thing about the Red Pill imo is how they obsess over n-count. That's some lame high school bullshit asking how many people someone slept with.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2018-12-13T16:45:53+00:00

Really should be changed to:

"The men who sluts ARE LEFT to marry are totally okay with marrying a slut".

beachredwhine · 2018-12-13T18:35:15+00:00

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Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee · 2018-12-11T07:03:52+00:00

If I am looking for a women, I am looking for someone young, fertile, beautiful and a virgin. These unicorns don't exist for most men. They are also out of most mens league.

This is what I am specifically attracted to. This is not because I am afraid of certain women (Which people try to tell me) I am just not attracted to older women who have had multitudes of other men before me. Every time you have sex with a man your Sexual Marketplace Value drops for me.

This is not because I am petty, or I have "issues" with independent women. This is just who I am attracted to.

These "sluts" you are referring to are just trashy girls with no substance. The classic basic bitch, Hot but not anything to bring home to your mother. Men want to have sex with these women, They do not want to be in relationships with them. Only beta men who orbit these women would willingly get into a relationship with these women. Also If they do happen to find a high value male to have a relationship with it always seems to be less than organic. More like they settled for each other. (just an anecdote I see often).

The real issue is people are leaving it later and later to start their relationships. I started mine at 16 and have had a great relationship and children since then. I truly believe all these 25 - 30 year olds have left it too late to have a meaningful relationship with anyone. You have not grown up together, Moulded each other or had to share any similar experiences.

Sex used to be taboo but organic and innocent young relationships were not. They were traditional and women and men filled their roles well. We have abandoned that and launched ourselves into a more hedonistic approach to relationships, This has caused most the population to believe they are "too young" to find someone to settle down with or they want to "experience" other people and things. Little do they know this is a sure fire way to destroy your ability to be in a meaningful relationship.(Not to mention the mental issues it causes). This leads to multiple flings reducing your sexual market value as a female and your ability to connect with women as a male.

Your sexual history matters to men. Every time you have sex with another person you reduce your value to your future significant other. No man wants a women who has had sex with many men. That is just how it is.

And if any man says otherwise he is most likely lying to you, Loyalty means everything to us and your sexual history paints a picture of the type of person you are. Very few disgusting men might like it, Most men will hate it.

It is just the truth. We don't owe you anything, If you want to gamble the quality of your future partner to be promiscuous then go ahead. Don't complain when you get a rude awakening. You wont change our minds.

[deleted] · 2018-12-11T07:53:22+00:00

Slut and a virgin are two hyperboles. They do not want to marry a woman with too high n count but that doesn't mean they want only virgins. No need to strawman terps like that.. It's incels who want virgins. Terps are in with a woman if n count less than 5

CainPrice · 2018-12-11T14:25:53+00:00

I think most Red Pill guys focus on the wrong things when it comes to sex.

First off, men shouldn't marry anybody. Not just sluts. Marriage is shitty for men for a wide variety of reasons, and the woman's sexual history is probably one of the smallest things a guy should be concerned about when it comes to marriage.

Second, -all- women hate loser men. Not just sluts. Not just virgins. Even the purest virginal bride is going to cheat, leave, or treat a guy badly if he's unattractive and behaves like a loser. It's not a woman's sexual history that makes her treat loser men badly.

Third, the men who really have an issue with slutty women always seem to be the men who are unable to be a part of the casual sex culture, despite really wanting to be. They pretend they have a moral issue with casual sex, but their real issue is jealousy. They haven't spent their lives turning down casual sex for moral reasons. They've spent their lives being rejected and passed over, while everyone else had causal sex. Guys who have sex with slutty girls don't hate sluts and wrinkle their noise with disgust at them. They enjoy their company and think they're fun. They treat them just fine, even if they don't marry them or pursue a serious relationship with them. Men who get laid like sluts just fine and treat them like human beings, without secretly hating them.

Going along with this point, anger is a secondary emotion. It usually comes from jealously and fear. Jealousy is really just a specific type of fear, actually. Guys who are angry about casual sex aren't actually angry about what other people are doing. They're angry about what they are not, themselves, doing. About what they missed out on. They're not really mad at women. They're mad at themselves for not knowing the rules, not knowing the game, not being attractive or assertive enough, and just not getting it. They spent a long time not getting it, and they still haven't forgiven themselves for being that guy who didn't get it. Until they let their past go and forgive themselves for being that guy who didn't get it, they're going to be filled with anger, which they will direct at others because that's more comfortable than directing it at themselves.

There's also some anger/fear over the power disparity. When a woman has had a lot of casual sex and a guy hasn't, the sex means more to him than it does to her, even when it's just a hook-up. That makes the guy feel vulnerable. He constantly feels like slutty women have a leg up on him, power-wise. The sex means less to her, and it's so much easier for her to find it, so he feels like he's always trailing behind. He always feels like the loser in his relationships. Because when you haven't had a lot of sex, sex becomes this holy grail of importance in your life. Guys become blind to all of the amazing advantages men have over women and become rage-filled over the fact that women are advantaged in this one area of having sex and relationships, then come up with these theories about how the universe is against men.

legaladvicequest · 2018-12-11T05:23:58+00:00

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TriadFamilyTimes · 2018-12-11T19:46:14+00:00

I won't commit to a girl who's had or intends to have less than 10 sex partners in her life.

beachredwhine · 2018-12-14T10:10:21+00:00

You seem to think a lot of men out there want to get married and want to marry sluts. That's not true.

Only an idiot would get married these days.

But if you do get married, marry a virgin. They're the least likely to divorce rape you, because they're still able to pair bond. Sluts are for casual sex and jerking off to, not marriage. Only a moron would marry a slut. Sluts are the most likely to divorce rape you.

beachredwhine · 2018-12-11T07:13:10+00:00

.. Well he doesn't have to understand them at first, but he has to be able to listen to them and empathize with their real true lived experiences. Who could imagine who she really is and love her for who she is. Not a guy who will listen to small parts of her real true lived experiences and freak out inside.

I'll tell you what. I'll marry her as long as she doesn't feel the need to bore me with utter drivel about "who she really is".

statisticsmatter · 2018-12-11T13:19:32+00:00

Sigh, all these topics here and on other subreddits discussing whether or not a man would like to be in a long term relationship with/marry a slut.

People are different and value different things. BUT, that being said, various surveys have time and time again shown that when asked what attributes men find attractive in women, on average a large part of men tend to mention characteristics such as sexual-selectivity, fidelity, physical attractiveness and a pleasant respectful disposition.

The following is an extract from psychologist David M. Buss’s book “The Evolution Of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating”:

From a man’s reproductive perspective, a more important cue to the certainty of paternity than virginity per se is the assurance of future fidelity. If men cannot reasonably require virginity, they can choose mates for sexual loyalty or fidelity. In fact, the study of short-term and long-term mating found that American men viewed having little sexual experience as desirable in a spouse. Furthermore, men saw promiscuity as especially undesirable in a permanent mate, rating it –2.07 on a scale of –3.00 to +3.00. The actual amount of prior sexual activity in a potential mate, rather than virginity per se, would have provided an excellent guide for ancestral men who sought to solve the problem of uncertainty of paternity. Indeed, the single best predictor of extramarital sex is premarital sexual permissiveness—people who have many sex partners before marriage tend to be more unfaithful than those who have few sex partners before marriage.[59](part0017.html#ch3fn59)

Modern men place a premium on fidelity. When American men in the study of short-term and long-term partners evaluated sixty-seven possible characteristics for their desirability in a committed mateship, faithfulness and sexual loyalty emerged as the most highly valued traits.[60](part0017.html#ch3fn60) All men give these traits the highest rating possible, an average of +2.85 on a scale of –3.00 to +3.00. Men regard unfaithfulness as the least desirable characteristic in a wife, rating it a –2.93, reflecting the high value that men place on fidelity. Men abhor promiscuity and infidelity in their wives. Unfaithfulness proves to be more upsetting to men than any other pain a spouse can inflict on her mate. Women also become extremely upset over an unfaithful mate, but several other factors, such as sexual aggressiveness, exceed infidelity in the grief they cause women.[61](part0017.html#ch3fn61)

The sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s, with its promises of sexual freedom and lack of possessiveness, apparently has had a limited impact on men’s preferences for sexual fidelity. Nor has the overhyped hookup culture on college campuses today significantly changed these preferences. Cues to fidelity still signal that the woman is willing to channel all of her reproductive value exclusively to her husband. A woman’s future sexual conduct looms large in men’s commitment decisions.

So, would a man want to marry a slut? Some men wouldn’t mind. Some men would even prefer it over the alternative. But, at least as far as the field of evolutionary psychology is concerned, a large majority of men would not.

Also, albeit seemingly important, especially for men, sexual-selectivity is only one of many important traits for both men and women when they select partners. And to which degree that men and women will be willing to uphold demands vis-à-vis these various traits will in part be dependent on their options.

CamoWoobie10 · 2018-12-13T14:02:02+00:00

The thing is, theres a lot of quality men who dont want to be with sluts. Most women wouldnt lie about and desperately try to keep their whore past a secret if they didnt care about men seeing them as sluts.

[deleted] · 2018-12-11T15:49:09+00:00

Well probably? I'd imagine many of the dudes that slept around don't want to be hypocrites (that will eat you up on the inside eventually) so they will settle for a slut. Makes sense to me.

Title	The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"
Author	beachredwhine
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Date	December 11, 2018 5:05 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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