What Happens When Your Wife/GF Catches On to TRP?

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-07-13T13:43:23+00:00

She is well-aware. RP accurately describes male-female interpersonal relationships to a large degree.

For example, I showed her that NYP article about the popular dating blogger who claimed "sex and the city ruined her life." She was like "yeah, no shit. Dumb bitch waited too long to marry and now she has to marry some pussy who only looks good on paper. You're so weird with all those people on Reddit, everyone knows this shit already."

https://nypost.com/2018/06/02/dating-columnist-reveals-how-sex-and-the-city-ruined-her-life/

(for context)

It comes across fake and stilted.

I disagree. The art of seducing and romance is not fake and stilted. I put on masks for many people. I am nearly a completely different person to my boss than I am to my gf. Neither behavioral affectations are "fake or stilted" though.

lucky_beast · 2018-07-13T13:46:20+00:00

Are none of your wives/gf smart enough to peep game?

She is, she's just more attracted to me this way than as a hand wringing male feminist pussy.

If women hated game that much they'd fuck awkward whiteknight boys instead of keeping them in their orbit.

Because what if she’s as calculating as you are - then what?

Then nothing. She's her own person with her own thoughts and desires. I assume she's calculating something that's in her best interest just the same as I am.

Do you intend to have a battle of wits and/or try to out manipulate each other forever?

Anything else would be boring complacency which is the death of attraction.

What if she discovers TRP and is on to you? Do you just hope she doesn’t catch on?

She knows about it, and she could huff and puff about it all she likes but when confronted with actual examples of her own behavior has no way of making excuses. She used to try and cop a snarky, denialist attitude like I see a lot from bloop posters when I'd call her out. Now she just giggles and bats her eyes, because she knows it's true.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2018-07-13T16:00:36+00:00

What happens if your bf/husband finds out you wear makeup! Changing your appearance is so fake! You're going to have to keep up the charade forever! YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF LIES!!

As usual (seriously, as-fucking-usual) you're a blue piller with nothing specific within TRP for us to talk about. You won't point to something specific and say "this user on this date made this post and here is a detailed argument as to why I disagree with his position." Instead, you have a vague and inaccurate understanding of TRP which you present here as a strawman.

I draw an analogy to makeup to illustrate the ridiculousness of what you say even if your perception of TRP was accurate, which it's not. TRP is not makeup that we put on to cover our unattractiveness. It's an attempt to change ourselves into something that you'll find attractive. And we literally don't care what you find attractive. Seriously. Stop being angry with us and go to a woman's subreddit and convense women to fuck male feminists. By next week r/theredpill will be full from top to bottom with posts on feminist theory.

We literally do not care what works. If the things that do work are ugly, then that says more about women than it does about men.

If some naive male made a post like yours. If he said, "zomg my gf wears makeup what a scandal!" My response would be, so what? If she's attractive with makeup on then fuck her with makeup on. Why are we talking about this?

Of course, TRP is about actually changing yourself, not wearing makeup so it's much closer to "zomg my gf is reading advice on how to do strip teases! Such betrayal! She's been doing these dances for me but it's all something she learned! How can in go on? How can I cope!"

InformalCriticism · 2018-07-13T14:26:17+00:00

When my girlfriend found out a few years ago, I wasn't really that concerned, because with a TRP mentality, you're ready to walk away from any woman at any point.

What she did was make a throw away and tried to learn about it.

She eventually went to RPW. She was pretty irritated when that sub imploded (still don't know exactly what went wrong).

Basically, she's not afraid of me, and I provide a lot of value to her life, but she knows that I have a very controversial view of women, and many of those views she adopted on her own.

As for happiness, that's entirely up to the individual. And once you internalize everything TRP has to offer, it's not mentally taxing; it's not like a job, it's just a part of who you are and how you think.

Women like to be pissed off a little, sometimes. If you think we talk to romantic interests the way we confront bloops, you really have no concept of what it's like to be red pilled.

If you live or work with a red pilled man, you would never know it without peeping, as you put it. So, really, your OP suggests that relationships are already somewhat hostile in that sense, which proves further why TRP is so critical to men these days; it teaches men not only how women are selfish, solipsistic, and brutal in their calculations, but it teaches men how to deal with it.

The alternative is to behave like a useful idiot and easily manipulated buffoon. The way women want it, but not the way they like their men to behave.

Electra_Cute · 2018-07-13T13:55:08+00:00

she doesnt care how the sausage was made, she just knows she likes it

Ercole_ · 2018-07-13T13:35:32+00:00

Sometimes when I subtly make fun of you people, my wife is there laughing with me and helping me write the joke.

TRP is not Lying101. We don't need to be. If you're scared that your girl won't like an internet page you read, you're a giant pussy.

darknessbemyfriend · 2018-07-13T13:59:52+00:00

She read some of the stuff. She got a little horrified. (Dalrock (www.dalrock.wordpress.com) horrified my wife. And Dalrock's stuff is pretty tame.) She accused me of "hating women".

And I said nothing. I just moved on from it and kept doing what I have been doing. She mentions it every so often ("whatever it is you are reading on the internet, I know you draw conclusions from it, and they're just WRONG WRONG WRONG"). And I just remember "watch what they do, don't listen to what they say" and go on. Because Red Pill worked on Mrs. Cross like a charm, long long before she ever stumbled across any of it.

[deleted] · 2018-07-13T13:57:21+00:00

> Seems like straightforward communication and negotiation would be the way to go so you can get back on the same team. Or at least not piss off the women you date constantly.

You cannot negotiate desire. No amount of communication will make your partner want to pounce on you and rip your clothes off the minute you walk through the door. Lifting, frame and game will. Blues will talk up communication like it's the end all be all, but no woman has ever been turned on by her man "communicating" about her lack of desire for him and whining that she no longer wants to have sex with him. Best case scenario, that sort of "communicating" will just lead to duty/pity sex that will eventually lead her to be resentful of you for guilt tripping her into something she didn't want to do in the first place.

> Just wondering how TRP intends to sustain happiness if they have to constantly treat their relationships like a game of chess. It seems inherently adversarial.

Yes, TRP is hard work, especially when you're doing it in the context of a marriage/ltr. But when the alternative is a loss of passion, duty sex and a deadbedroom, I'll take maintaining the effort of TRP over that any day.

Aaren_Augustine · 2018-07-13T13:54:59+00:00

I'm pretty sure my wife reads every damn thing I say on this account. And I told her about MRP once I got a good handle.

We have a lot more fun and many more honest conversations. It's improved our marriage and our children.

Seems like straightforward communication and negotiation would be the way to go

Nope. Negotiation doesn't work. And straight forward communication might work, but if it's cunty, it'll get the point across at the expense of the woman.

I'm actually glad I told my wife. I like morality as long as it doesn't end with me hanging on principle

Jammerly1 · 2018-07-13T14:16:51+00:00

Seems like straightforward communication and negotiation would be the way to go so you can get back on the same team.

Yeah, it would seem that way. Except for the fact that we already tried all of that, numerous times.

The problem that most women have with Red Pill and descriptions of intersexual relationships is the fact that things that no one has ever seen described in words, are being described in words. That necessarily describes shitty things women do. Women recoil when they see what they have done described in words. Women also don't like behavior that's learned and picked up by observation being described in a systematized manner.

It's not the stuff these guys are doing. It's the written descriptions of the stuff these guys are doing. It's the collating and organization of the stuff these guys are doing into a workable "plan", taxonomy, set of tools/principles/heuristics, that women don't like.

You women really don't mind that we do this stuff. You don't like that we talk and write about this stuff.

Ashe225 · 2018-07-13T16:08:02+00:00

TRP is the worst things that can happen to a relationship. It almost broke mine, and I’m sure it broke other’s as well. It might work on some women, though i would say that they’re the minority. Treat each other with respect isn’t s hard thing to do. And most women that stay with their real gung ho TRP significant other are either they’re afraid to leave or they ‘like it’, which good for them. There’s always a stressor that triggers men to go to TRP, for my husband, it’s because we moved cross country, the election, and me starting grad school, everything happened at once had a toll on him. And because I am more successful than he is (i am in veterinary school, go to school on a full scholarship, and serve in the US Army) and that was what ultimately pushed him towards that crap. It was the hardest and darkest period of our marriage and I was afraid. He had gotten so unreasonable and disgusting and I was afraid of him. But we eventually talk about it and what not. One thing tho, you have to, ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, listen to them, even when you do not agree. Let them vent. And validate their feelings, not their way of thinking, but their feelings. Most men that goes to TRP has very low self esteem and thy are craving attention and respect. I know it’s counterproductive but they’re not thinking straight. So let them talk and validate their feelings and after, tell them how you feel. Be honest about your feeling but do not blame them. I know it’s hard, but you just have to be a mercy winner in this situation. I was mad and i was angry and hurt (cause i didn’t think about how much it means to him and the stress he’s having) and so we fought and fought and fought. I was so ready to divorce him. But then i decided to try again and he slowly realize that he was being an extreme dick and regrets the trp shit everyday. He still occasionally do shit from the trp but i let it slide because he’s still trying to be better, I’m still trying to be better.

You can always PM me and i can tell you more in detail!

qx4758 · 2018-07-13T14:36:31+00:00

Where do you troglodytes come up with these questions?

Pope_Lucious · 2018-07-13T16:31:16+00:00

90% of enacting Red Pill is setting up boundaries and enforcing those boundaries.

Ercole_ · 2018-07-13T13:45:28+00:00

TRP isn't for ltrs.

That's what MRP is for

[deleted] · 2018-07-13T14:39:34+00:00

What Happens When Your Wife/GF Catches On to TRP?

She will accept it. TRP view of women is Brazilian women culture in a nutshell. And its advices are actually quite easily got if you know all that. Took me around a year.

I do not have a woman right now but most adult women will accept it as a matter of fact, she would probably be confused on TBP tho.

Are none of your wives/gf smart enough to peep game?

Of course they are smart. I do not like stupid women.

Because what if she’s as calculating as you are - then what?

We continue, it is not like we are children, we know how the world is, we just accept it.

Do you intend to have a battle of wits and/or try to out manipulate each other forever?

No. But why would we manipulate when we can easily trade and communicate? Ya know... like adults.

What if she discovers TRP and is on to you? Do you just hope she doesn’t catch on?

She would probably laugh. I will never tell any woman about it tho. Because she would laugh at knowing I was once so naive I didn't know thats how it goes.

But I would have someone to laugh with when I look at TBP.

AllahHatesFags · 2018-07-13T15:25:29+00:00

If she wouldn't be okay with it then you shouldn't be in an LTR with her.

NalkaNalka · 2018-07-13T17:00:44+00:00

There is nothing to "find out". What I say here is the same things I say in real life.

It's never been an issue. Most of the women I have been with agree with the general red pill ideas. Women in general are a lot more aware of how the SMP works than men.

BigDickXVI · 2018-07-13T13:44:25+00:00

only the most neurotic women who browse the internet all day are going to know about trp. in other words, even if i cared, it's not going to be an issue.

Zorc_the_Pork · 2018-07-13T16:19:35+00:00

TRP is, at its heart, not allowing yourself to be a doormat.

If you demand, from the get-go, that you be treated with respect (and give respect, when deserved), your relationship will be much stronger.

Personally I don't have to "game" or "dread" my way into my LTR's pants, because she actually likes me, and had high libido. I think the only people who do, are because when they got married something changed, and they are trying to rectify the situation without blowing it up with divorce. I can understand why people would want to do this. The people I feel the sorriest for are guys whose wife's have medical issues (e.g hysterectomy that also takes the ovaries) because there is no coming back from that, sexual attraction wise.

prodigy2throw · 2018-07-13T16:46:45+00:00

Why would it be a battle?

Helrade · 2018-07-13T18:37:02+00:00

She knows that I’m on TRP Reddit and made fun of me for it but then acknowledges that much of it is true.

hammerhaunts · 2018-07-14T18:46:09+00:00

Just wondering how TRP intends to sustain happiness if they have to constantly treat their relationships like a game of chess. It seems inherently adversarial.

This is required for those who do not possess the talents of sustaining happiness in their partner naturally. We often refer to these types of men as 'nerds'.

You basically have to spend your whole life employing “tactics” and creating strategies like some kind of “Spy vs Spy” cartoon. It comes across fake and stilted.

The idea is to not have them be fake and stilted when put into practice.

Seems like straightforward communication and negotiation would be the way to go so you can get back on the same team.

Why do you think this would work?

VoidInvincible · 2018-07-14T21:54:42+00:00

If you're Chad to her? Nothing. Had a GF in college find out about it, but she told me she thought the blue pill was way worse than the red pill.

Whisper · 2018-07-16T05:54:54+00:00

I am wondering what's going to happen when OP catches on to TRP.

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Gravel_Roads · 2018-07-13T13:45:53+00:00

Catches on? Like, starts using it too? Why would they need to? It’s a dating strategy. They’re already in a relationship.

Social engineering fascinates both of us, so we already discuss and compare how RP approaches work in the back end psychological way.

We’re both socially competent people who don’t really need playbooks, lol, RP is meant for people who suck at social skills. If my partner started trying to use RP shit on me I would assume it was a joke and would probably pretend to be Stacy the CC Extraordinaire and make them chase me around the house.

reluctantly_red · 2018-07-13T16:14:14+00:00

creating strategies like some kind of “Spy vs Spy” cartoon.

How is this any different from the mainstream/Blue Pill? Other than RP strategies actually work that is.

IncomeByEtnicity · 2018-07-13T16:46:07+00:00

Human goals for achievement are driven always by that which is slightly beyond reach. A Sudanese child who has to walk 2 km everyday to fetch water, spends a lot of her time thinking about water. She thinks about: How she can make the most of what little she has. How she can carry more per trip etc. Her Water obsession is driven by her Water insecurity.

The TRP and the Feminism sub-reddits are very similar sexual obsessions stemming from very similar sexual insecurity. (They are same genetic stock as well, but that's another comment.) They don't have a running tap of water at home, aka An Allocated mating source. So they spend every waking moment venting frustration against the opposite sex and inventing sexual strategy.

As a married man with a top of the line 6'2" wife who brings home more than 150k from her corporate job, these subreddits just fill me with gratitude. Gratitude that I have:

The genes that gave me good musculature and face without EVER stepping foot in the filth pool they call "gyms".
Danish American ancestry and how my family and myself made a conscientious choice not to integrate into the Toxic English/Scottish default that is so far beneath us.
Large tracks of land, and Industry that fill me not with a sense of bounty, but the weight of the amount of work required to keep it producing at its maximum capacity and returning a profit. When I see other men, immigrants, other ethnic groups, my attitude is, "Wow you bring something new, a new way of thinking, I could use your help!" In strong contrast to the TRP attitude of "You make me redundant, and you're in my way to the nearest pussy hole. How can I kill you in mortal combat"
Inter generational wealth that helped me not only grow my family's many business but make the costly mistakes and learning experiences that have brought me the financial success I enjoy today without ever having the pressure of "Having to go to work".

When my wife an I read about these 40 year olds on MGTOW and TRP talking about getting in shape, being financial responsible, we are humbled by this realization: If this guy spends the rest of his life making all the right decisions, gets a kid at 50 and the kid makes all the right decisions, and his grandson makes all the right decisions, then MAYBE, just MAYBE his great grandson will be in the position I am. It took him 40 years for him to reach this "Epiphany" that has been ingrained in me as thoughtless instinct since age 4.

You would think all these factors should fill both of us with a sense of superiority. It doesn't. In my mind it just builds a Cathedral to the greatness of having two loving parents, 4 loving grandparents, a loving sister and a stable home with strong bonds with extended family. Things, TRP, Feminists, MGTOWS and all the English/Scottish children of divorce will never ever have.

nomansweb · 2018-07-13T16:58:20+00:00

Does it matter if the behavior is still inherently attractive to her? If she actually loves you she'll just be glad about that instead of feeling the need to start a battle of wits. Also how could she ever know 100% for sure that you learned the behavior online?

wracky272 · 2018-07-13T17:13:46+00:00

The views I have and share in real life reflect the views that I share online. If you don't live a double life and actually just own your shit then there are no surprises. Admittedly there are a few issues I think my wife would take issue with. I filter them slightly IRL but she knows how I feel about feminism, gender issues, etc. and her peeping here wouldn't be cataclysmic. She holds a couple of views that I disagree with as well but they aren't deal-breaking and it's stupid to squabble over them.

EdwardBarnes1913 · 2018-07-13T17:58:36+00:00

For a start I believe the women on these forums are made of different stuff to most women. It’s a very niche club indeed.

In mine and other guy’s experience women don’t really want to discuss ‘The Game’ (for want of a better phrase), even or especially as they know most of it instinctively anyway.

Not only have I never tried to hide it but I used to bring aspects of it up as I publicly seethed at the way I was hoodwinked by life and myself growing up but all I’d usually get was exasperated agreements “Well yeah, all girls are like that”, “Thats not their (girls) fault though” etc etc...

I suppose it’s like discussing a magic trick but in a much more serious way.

And I understand it does kill the magic for us men too. But many of us felt we had no choice and in my case was the only way to make women sexually interested in me. Get the violin out I know but this is to hammer home a serious point that if you can achieve companionship, connection, love and intimacy without ruining the spell then you probably wouldn’t do it would you?

Necessity usually being the mother of invention good for you if you didn’t need a degree in evolutionary psychology to get what you want romantically.

But also try and remember many or even most Game adherents/Red Pillers were are good people. We just needed more guile. So most will be the ‘nice’ guys most of the time.

The real abusers never needed Neil Strauss or Rollo Tomassi.

helaughsinhidden · 2018-07-13T18:34:09+00:00

THIS POST IS A SHIT SHOW!!!

[deleted] · 2018-07-13T20:06:53+00:00

I post on /r/drugs , /r/braincels , lurk on trp, ... my Reddit Account is a pretty well kept secret.

darknessbemyfriend · 2018-07-13T20:16:53+00:00

Found out partner was subbed TRP (he saved some rant about how all women have lists), and it explained aaaaall the stupid shitty manipulative behaviour he’d started.

So I started doing the same back. Being cold, indifferent, and putting him down. He really didn’t like that and sulked like a little bitch. But when I outright asked him he just tried to brush it off. So now we’re in a weird situation where there’s still attachment but neither of us is happy because he’s still pulling that crap and I’m jaded af.

Ashe225 · 2018-07-13T20:32:23+00:00

He is an engineer. And btw, the whole me being more successful than him was spoken by him. He literally told me ‘i resent you for being more successful’

And he leave on his own account because it didn’t work for him.

Fritz_Frauenraub · 2018-07-14T00:21:05+00:00

My wife found the reddit pill world and it definitely made things more difficult, but no less effective. She just tested longer and harder and more stubbornly.

WonderfulandValuable · 2018-07-14T14:19:24+00:00

Well, I am aware f it and I have my get the hell out of a cheaters house - nest egg. I hope I will never have to use it but I am prepared nonetheless.

[deleted] · 2018-07-15T04:49:19+00:00

This is why it's best to apply RP principles to an already healthy relationship. If you can go in as yourself, and it's mostly sustainable that way, then you'll find happiness. People only change so much. Finding TRP will keep you red-pilled only if you're working on it every day. If you're naturally blue and you snag a relationship while red pilled out of your mind then you're gonna have a shit time trying to keep up with it all. It will feel like mental chess because you harnessed something pretty strong and you're gonna have to maintain that hold on it for the entirety of the relationship.

When I left TRP I was back to blue probably within a few months. Found a new girl, we got along great for the first 6 months or so. Then we started having some issues intermittently, and I wandered back on TRP for some advice I could hybridize with the blue pilled mindset that worked for 95% of the relationship. Worked like a charm. I just slapped some TRP techniques into the areas of the relationship that clearly needed intervention and we were back on track.

[deleted] · 2018-07-16T22:03:34+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIv4phFcAAs

TheMiddlePeak · 2018-07-17T03:01:33+00:00

She's aware. She approves. She would like for me to teach some pill basics to her indigo blue brother who won't leave the damn nest and man up.

PhucCheet · 2018-07-17T09:01:32+00:00

What's "peep game"? You mean checking our phones and browser history?

I work in IT. My technology is all secure, unlike most dumbasses. GFs can't snoop on my phone, laptop, desktop, or anything else. Women who try to violate my privacy are also dumped immediately on sight. I don't tolerate that bullshit, just like I don't snoop her devices either. For anyone who makes it to LTR stage, this is clearly established. So... how would she find out?

How do these guys sustain relationships in spy mode while using tactics all the time and faking game? TRP's goal is plates, not LTR, so they don't need to sustain it long. Eventually she's dumped for someone new. Plate spinning keeps everyone at enough distance to avoid getting too close or finding out too much about them. That's a huge (unspoken) part of why it works and why they advocate for it.

Title	What Happens When Your Wife/GF Catches On to TRP?
Author	Jammerly1
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Date	July 13, 2018 1:32 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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