Thank you, for absolutely everything.

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December 13, 2015

Summary: I am 17 years old, and I learned from you guys over the past 2 years. My life is very well together now and beginning to grow. Grew from a little kid, into something closer to a man, not quite there yet, but I'll make it. This is my thank you to everyone that helped

I received a letter in the mail yesterday. An acceptance letter to one of my Colleges of choice. Inside the letter, it states that I have received a $88,500 scholarship, along with room and dorm being paid for. I have a single mom, and I have no father. We had no way to pay for college, and didn't know what was going to happen. I only have to pay $1,500 a year now.

About 2 years ago I saw the red pill and absolutely thought you guys were some crazy fucking weirdos. Forgive me, I was a 15 year old kid. High School is stupid, we're all dumbass idiots that think we know everything and life is easy. I was skinny (125 lbs, 5'11), I was awkward, and I was not really motivated for any change.

After getting through a very stupid high school "relationship" (If that is what you even want to call it). I read up on the TRP, ranted awfully. Eventually I decided to attempt to "swallow" the pill. I joined a gym, I started studying more and trying in school, I started going out more, and I stopped playing so many damn video games. Believe me, I still enjoy video games, they just aren't my life anymore.

Through trial and error, I learned how to properly conduct myself, and how to just not give a shit about what anyone thinks of me but me. Lost my virginity a couple of months ago, and I realized something. If I lost my virginity 2 years ago, I would have gone to school and told absolutely everyone like a little kid who got a present from Santa. However, I didn't get that feeling. I was happy it happened, I had a good time with the girl, and I let it be. Maybe this is my little attempt at bragging about it, but I thought I'd mention that change in mindset. This led to her being my first plate, and I still have her as a plate, along with another I just met. I always thought of plates as fucked up things that you guys did, like how could you dare treat a girl like an object. However, I realized it doesn't mean you treat her like shit. It means you guys have a mutual agreement, and have a good time. Anyone breaks that, and its off, no harm done.

I'm now 157lbs, 5'11, going off to college, with a mom that's proud of me and with friends I enjoy. I'm really enjoying my life and I am well aware I'm not even close to what I can be. I'm not quite a man yet, but I am damn well closer than what I was 2 years ago. I never had a good father to teach me these things, but The Red Pill taught me what my deadbeat dad could not. It changed my life and that is purely all because of you guys. I cannot thank you enough but I wanted to let you guys know how much it means to me. I am content with where my life is going and I can't wait to see where it leads me next. That came off as cliché, but its true, so fuck it.

Lessons learned:

  • Doing something about whats wrong with your life is hard, but if you don't man up and do it, nothing will get done
  • Put enough effort into something and you will see results

  • Take all advice with a grain of salt. Put them into perspective, and wrap your own philosophy around it

  • If you're in your teens and believe you're the Chad, you're wrong. You're not even close to being the full version of you yet.

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Title Thank you, for absolutely everything.
Author mrthrowaway413
Upvotes 801
Comments 188
Date 13 December 2015 05:03 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 291 points292 points  (26 children) | Copy

You're the fuckin man, dude. I can tell just by the way you write that you've got this shit and you're gonna go far. Always glad to hear stories like this; you're doing better than a lot of 25 year olds I know. Keep it up!

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 34 points35 points  (13 children) | Copy

Thanks man I appreciate it!

[–]Manuel_S35 points36 points  (10 children) | Copy

I hope to see the next story you write, and in that story, I'd like to see:

  • How you identified and made strong contact and bonding with the guys who'll be the winners, whose career will go forward and will be your contact, job and friendship network in decades ahead.

  • How you crushed it in the maths, becoming very proficient at programing your spreadsheets and understanding the real math behind it, with some extra programming behind it (enough for some routines and simulations). This'll set you apart from your peers.

  • How you crushed on the social life and added to your curriculum. This may include finding a goddamn political party and taking advantage of it for contacts and activity; certainly a frat; and any other associations that seem useful to you, I don't care if its the damned rotarians (is that still a thing there?)

  • How you started to be on the top 10% in style and fit dress-wise (doesn't mean tuxes. Means appropriate), AND got a well-fitted suit and shoes and learned to use it occasionally; and how in your first interviews and job fairs you looked like a professional. Note: fit is the single thing that matters the most. That means YOU and the CLOTHES.

  • How you never drunk enough to totally lose control, but learned to let loose and enjoy with your mates. How when people think of someone they bring along to a party, or fun, your name comes up for being fun, an asset and drama-free.

  • And other highlights. Find success and popularity and sex will find you.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy


Sadly, school I'm going to is a Catholic University. Fraternities don't exist there :( but I'll find something damn close haha.

I will definitely send an update in the future! Thanks for the kind words

[–]Manuel_S39 points40 points  (5 children) | Copy

You are far along the correct path. I expect great success from you.

If you'll forgive some cynicism from an older man, which in no way desires to diminish your enthusiasm or innocence, allow me the following notes:

  • The entire social game is where its at. In the corporate and entrepreneurial world, you are your contacts. Competence is good, and excellent to have, but really secondary. In any company, the socially savvy fellow will rise above the others. If he's less competent, he'll be pushed to leadership where his ability to deal with the issues is not needed - he's there to make others work and collect his fat bonuses.

Money is in other people, not things. Extracting money from people is the only real skill you need. You only need a tongue and a wit for that.

  • Be the guy that knows everybody. KEEP ALL CONTACTS AND NAMES. Contact them. Send birthday messages, an occasional "how do you do", "you can now find me at ++++", "Am on a new field, if I can help you with xxx call me!". Do this systematically, and create in others the habit of expecting that from you. The guy you've messaged the last 15 years, sent a birthday greeting to, wished merry christmas, sent an sms saying "Met John in NY, he sends the best" and so on will not think it odd at all if you contact him about some opportunity or professional request. And you want to talk to him, because he's now the CFO of a good company. If you haven't given him the time of day, he'll smell a rat when you do contact him asking for something.

Note: please read this paragraph again. I really mean it.

  • Keep your fat mouth shut. Listen. Be the guy that does not judge, the guy who keeps a secret, the guy that has a good word, the guy that never talks shit about others. Don't let drama stain you. When you must criticize do it constructively.

  • Your job right now, as much as study, is to lay the groundwork for this sort of network.

  • Go read about powertalk. I mean it.

  • Read about how to sell. Then practice. Sell vacuum cleaners if you must. Do some hours bartending.

  • Don't be afraid to put people in contact for business - and ask your cut. Somebody wants to buy a house? One of your friends has one to sell. And you, can get a little fee on the side. Even if no fee - be the guy that promotes business. Some of it will find you.

[–]ShounenEgo9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Your whole post is a huge understatement of the importance social aptitude has.

Anecdote time: Last year I went to a hospital to have my throat checked. I was unemployed for years and we started talking with the doctor about that. He suddenly throws at me the following: "If only university taught us about the importance of networking neither of us would be here now".

2nd anecdote: You know all these guys who hang around a certain "let's get motivated" sub and almost half of them have a story to share about someone who worked twice as hard as <insert well-known person here>? There's a big chance that the person who worked twice as hard focus towards learning a profession didn't do the same with networking.

I have a bone to pick with the people who will claim "well hard work doesn't always get you very far, you need luck too", not because it's false but because it's vague feedback. You need luck towards what? Towards meeting the right people at the right time, of course. The investor who's willing to put money to your company, the manager/technical director who will want to hire someone like you, the customers who are looking for a product like yours but don't know it exists etc. Everything is about other people. EVERYTHING.

As an added bonus: If someone out there believes that lifting, taking care of your looks and being confident is something that you do for women, think again.

[–]Manuel_S5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I believe I am not making an understatement, rather showing how important it is.

Networking is VERY important. Take this example:

You get two guys. One can't add 2 and 2 together. Say he's got a sort of number dyslexia, but can sell a fridge to a penguin. The other is a super programmer/mathematician who could invent an antigravity engine, but is a social retard.

The 1st guy can open a chick in a department store using his own problem, getting a laugh of it and in a bit he's taking her out for a bang while her coworkers think "what a great guy!" He's riding a porsche from his sales commissions.

The other guy? He can't even get enough attention for people to stop wishing for him to go away and actually understand what could be made of him. His mother will keep him alive in the basement, for a while. And if he meets our salesman, who may get the potential, soon there'll be a big company selling flying convertibles, the salesman is the CEO and the science genius is in some office in the basement being yelled to by a sub-sub-sub manager.

As for social aptitude, it is a trainable skill. Yes, of course some people are born and raised with different looks, a poise, charisma, a sort of base advantage. But I know plenty of salesmen who seem to have nothing in their favour, and yet they're killing it.

This is one of those cases where you can make an effort, fight through initial difficulties, follow it and end up with excellent tangible results.

Not even saying op has it; if he does, he should maximize it, if he doesn't he should acquire and make the most of it.

[–]ShounenEgo3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your example reminds me of an anime that is currently airing, One Punch Man, where the protagonist is almost the strongest person in the universe but because he lacks in the social department he doesn't get recognition from other heroes, some say he cheated his way through the rankings and people blamed him for stuff he wasn't at fault. What the protagonist gets right, however, is that he's doing what he's doing because he wants to do it, not because for external praise and recognition (he wouldn't say "no" to a "thank you", though, and it shows at certain points).

It's a comedy/action show but the underlying meaning is there.

[–]Manuel_S2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As you describe, he'd like ALSO some recognition. He asks for no more because he expects no more, and he's happy he did the good work. But lets say he did expect more, and made sure he got rewarded for it. His skill is unique, his price his high. He did his heroing job. Then the rich bastards whose property and city he saved would come and say "here's a ferrari, the trunk is loaded with cash". Then the rich bastard's blond daughter would come and blow him.

"He's selling out", you might say. Maybe, maybe not. But his sack's still empty and happy on that leather seat.

Now, which one is better: the inward feeling of glum unrecognized superiority, or having your empty naked sack resting on the leather of your ferrari as you recover breath? Plus there's other chicks lining up, you got money now.

Yes, its nice to do it for yourself. BUT if you can do some proper marketing, you CAN do the same stuff, and feel good, but now people will say "here take this money", and then you have both the inward and outward rewards of it.

[–]50pluspiller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wish I had this advice at 17,although I was a natural red pill, had great communication skills and interact with adults appropriately, this is pure gold for all. ♂

[–]RWheels1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Join a sports team then - I always throw out the suggestion of rowing, and you would make a decent lightweight given your height and weight. Rugby could be a good one too. Male camaraderie is definitely something that can be beneficial to any TRPer's life.

With joining a sports team you also get the added benefit of lifting / exercise regularly and therefore keeping those T levels up. You also get social proof and an existing social circle.

Plus it gives you something productive to do, and something you can learn discipline from as well as take pride in. Rowing in college definitely taught me a lot about myself and how the way the world really is.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm a swimmer, and I enjoy soccer so I'm going to join club soccer. I hope it helps me find a good crowd in college.

[–]RWheels0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Both are great sports, wish you all the best m8

[–]askthepoolboy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Came to tell you the exact same thing. Keep it up man. We'll be here for you along the way.

[–]Boovs4life2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'm 19 and I'm still a virgin. When one is about to get laid do we tell the girl we're virgins or just do it? I looked this question up but i want RP advice bc some of the "advice" was "sit her down and talk about it and see how she feels." Still got a lot to improve on before i even consider women right now but I could use the advice for future reference. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

Do not tell a woman that you are a virgin. Women are attracted to men who can get other women. She does not want to feel like she's doing you a favor

[–]Boovs4life5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I figured. I always thought trying to talk to a girl about it will just make her pussy dry up. Thanks

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

The scary part about this is that when you do it, she'll respond with kind words saying it's fine. It will truly feel fine.

But you'll realize where your mistake was when she doesn't want to fuck. At that point it's too late.

[–]Boovs4life0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I agree. I just fear she'll catch on as i am obviously inexperienced when we're about to fuck.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, not a chance if you play the part. I know guy's in their early 20s who've fucked over 30 chicks and still find themselves coming in two seconds and being terrible at everything. If you can make her enjoy sex then that's a huge plus, but it's surprisingly unnecessary.

[–]adam_varg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She wont, unless its very experienced girl (not propable at your age bracket), she is gonna be more nervous and selfconscious than you.

Fake it until you make it is never gonna be easier than during your first few sex. Just make sure you studied sex good method book enough and she will have great time..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you are seriously worried about not knowing what to do before the old in out, watch some pornos made for girls.

[–]Boovs4life0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like lesbian? Or the Dane Jones ones that are about making love?

[–]Manuel_S3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shut the f up. This is a major skill. Teeth stay together, tongue does not wag.

Play it cool.

In a little bit, it won't be a bluff any longer.

[–]cloudstryfe52 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats bro. Never stop growing

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill75 points76 points  (57 children) | Copy

Congratulations on your scholarship! What an achievement. What are your plans regarding your college studies? A bit of unsolicited advice: make sure to choose a major and a career that are in demand and that you are talented at, and not one that you necessarily love. That trope needs to die with your generation.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 24 points25 points  (55 children) | Copy

Thanks man!

I'm currently in the process of rethinking that. My initial plan was Economics into Law School. But with the amount of people coming out of Law School and not finding jobs is incredibly high. I think I can do a lot with an Economics degree, considering I enjoy to critical think and Math isn't my worst subject. The Law part I will decide after spending some time thinking about it.

Edit: Actually, I would heavily appreciate any criticism on my decision. I need help on that part.

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill32 points33 points  (25 children) | Copy

Economics is a great major with a number of diverse pathways into banking, finance, business, and accountancy.

You are correct that the legal field is currently oversaturated with law students. I do not want you to get the impression, however, that the demand for legal services is down, because it is not.

The legal field is actually quite analogous to the sexual marketplace (I have actually been thinking of making a post on this). The legal field has its own 80/20 rule, whereby the top 20% of students are fantastically successful--obtaining multiple offers from high-powered international law firms and government agencies. These students are 24 years old making nearly $200,000. As one of those students in a previous career, I can tell you the power you have, particularly at that age, is immense. The law is a "sink or swim" career, much like the sexual market place, and only the strong survive. If you want a challenge, to go up against the best of the best, then you should think on your decision to become an attorney. Just know that, like the sexual marketplace, the losers lose ... big.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 15 points16 points  (21 children) | Copy

That makes an incredible amount of sense. So it's a risk vs reward kind of deal. I'll weigh the pros and cons as I go on in college then. I could always decide not to do it, and if I don't then I have plenty of options with Economics. Thanks for the advice.

The Little read you just gave me was really interesting. You should definitely make a post on it, I would love to read it!

Thanks again

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill17 points18 points  (17 children) | Copy

That is the right approach. I just wanted to make sure you weren't going to major in drama, English, international relations, or some other bogus humanities degree with no practical application. Enjoy your time, make friends, and study hard.

[–]Veqq4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

English and IR are the same as law though, if you go for a masters and go into industry, you can make a huge amount of money. ESL teachers in Saudi start at 100k, requiring a masters in English, if you're good at summarizing stuff and explaining the different ways some event can go, you can make a pretty penny doing regional analysis. The majority won't try, though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

The majority won't try, though.

I may have been ambiguous above, my mistake. Succinctly, my key point is that in law school, unlike as you have described English and IR, everyone tries. Trying is not enough. You have to win. The law is a merciless industry that is not for the timid or the unambitious.

[–]Veqq2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ah, I was saying that they're not all bogus black holes, there is indeed a lot of useful stuff to be done in the humanities and a lot of money to be made there too, it's just a matter of trying as hard as the people doing law or something else. Hell, it's probably easier to be successful studying one of those things, since the competition is barely that.

Even in drama, if you concentrate on making a name for yourself and getting out there, instead of trying to victimise yourself or thinking about which the 99 gender options on FB you should pick... But most of them will just be merciless starving artists, complaining about how they can't find a role, instead of organizing a small show and charging for it.

Which makes me wonder, what's the difference between the top 20% in law? What do they do differently? How could this poster get up there and excel past the others who are trying?

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which makes me wonder, what's the difference between the top 20% in law? What do they do differently? How could this poster get up there and excel past the others who are trying?

That would take a whole post to discuss, my friend. Briefly, though, it has to do with study habits (studying with a partner; memorization techniques), lifestyle choices (lifting regularly, eating well, having sex/relationships, and building friendships), and attitude.

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

top 20% in law

Same as everywhere else. Networking, rain making, being highly intelligent and very willing to work long hours and bust ass. Having a useful skill set outside and in addition to law is extremely helpful in today's market.

The most successful lawyers are invariably those who can bring in lots of business. Gotta get and keep clients happy.

[–]ILoveSunflowers1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Reading about law like this makes me want to get into it just for the fight of it.

[–]rpscrote-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

litigators are a much smaller percentage of lawyers than people think. The majority of lawyers aren't litigators. And litigation isn't anywhere near as romantic as people make it out to be. Its frankly pretty shit. Tons and tons and tons of preparation, and over 97% of the time the case won't go to trial.

When it does go to trial you have to deal with complete idiots on the jury panel making stupid decisions that can and will completely ignore the law as well as all of your work on it.

Not to mention cases where you know you can't win simply because the judge always comes out the same way on a certain matter no matter the facts of the case. E.g. Eastern District Texas patent judges come out completely the opposite of the national average because they are plaintiff biased out the ass. And I'm sure its like that in many other practice areas too.

I'm sure the victories are glorious, but they are incredibly few and far in between even for the most successful litigators.

[–]ILoveSunflowers-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

What does that have to do with anything?

[–]blacwidonsfw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol do you really want to live in fucking Saudi though....

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

But more importantly, will you write that post? Haha I am very interested, you write very well.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Surprisingly international relations isn't the crock of shit one would think it to be.

It does have to be paired with 2-3 good languages though.

For instance I know a dude who did IR and also learned Norwegian and Arabic. Dude rakes in the dough basically chaperoning various ballers from Norway and the Middle East for various companies/organizations. A lot of this chaperoning is "showing them the local color" (basically what Pete did on Mad Men.)

[–]brunomarini130 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Why there is no application in international relations degree? Sorry to ask, but I was thinking about doing this one. Thanks.

[–]Endorsed ContributorProtoPill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not no application; there are applications. If you review any studies on the in-demand degrees, IR (and other humanities) are usually at the bottom. That is not to say that one cannot obtain success through an IR degree, just be cautious when selecting humanities-heavy degrees.

[–]brunomarini130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well I still have time to choose since I'm in high school, so thanks for the info.

[–]eterate 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

Read these guys, they really know what they are doing career wise. They suggest focusing hard on your career in your 20s. They also point out that any employee income source is going to max out around $250k/yr, and if your really special, $500k/yr. Thus the need to start your own side project businesses that you eventually grow in actual businesses. A million in liquid assets by 30 should be your goal. And part of that is putting your savings into things like brokerage index funds once you've saved up for your emergency fund.

Another piece of advice is to cut your losses early, to pounce on opportunities early and to not catch a case of fuck-around-itis, which wasted 4 years of my 20s. I took too long in my degree, making it 6 years vs. 4 and I stayed too long with a startup that had bad engineering practices (another 2 years) that got big, but didn't have the DNA to make a sustainable business.

So when you go to college, make sure you stay there the minimum amount of time, take it seriously and get those fucking internships.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate this. The most important decision I have to make is my major and I am hoping looking at it from different perspectives will help me make the decision that's right for me.

Thank you

[–]rpscrote1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have never experienced Econ being a good major for job prospects. In my experience, and thats knowing a number of econ majors, they have all absolutely struggled because there are way too many econ majors and Econ doesn't give you real skills.

For accounting, econ majors get beat out by accounting majors. For finance, econ majors get beat out by Econ/Finance double majors, or even better, Finance/Math double majors. For general business stuff, Marketing w/ Sales Focus or MBAs beat out econ majors.

All my econ major friends have changed careers or go back for MBAs.

[–]dickcomments6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

To follow up:

Economics is an fantastic great degree, especially you don't utilize it in the traditional sense.

For example, one can become an auditor in the big 3 firms and easily move up, if you play the game.

Another option is health informatics. Huge number of econ folks going into that now.

Finally, information security / cyber security. HUGE demand for econ folks, especially with audit background.

All these areas are 100k plus jobs once you have a bit of experience.

[–]tekn0_1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't really get why cybersecurity fields would have demand for econ folks. Care to enlighten ?

[–]Furious001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm currently in ICS Cybersecurity - honestly there's just not enough people doing it. There's plenty of ways to train up for it and lots of jobs that don't require you to program PLCs. Definitely an in-demand career for now, but don't see how econ has any specific benefits...

[–]FreyWill4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was going to go economics then business but instead stayed in Economics. Great decision, much more depth than being a business degree drone.

Study History as a minor (or just take a lot of classes), specifically modern and financial history. It adds a ton of context to the theory that you learn.

[–]ModernEconomist[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Here is something better! Double major in Econ Math with a minor in Comp Sci

[–]Fulp_Piction3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just to jump in, I'm a few years on down the line from you. I dropped out of an in-demand college course because I didn't enjoy it. It was tedious and I wasn't as interested as I thought I'd be.

You wouldn't give your time to a HB that you didn't enjoy spending that time with, so why give your time to something you don't enjoy for the sake of 10% more money? Pick something you enjoy doing that also pays prett well, work hard at it and be confident in your ability to master it to the extent that you can make good money from it.

That's my 2c anyway. The end goal in life is true happiness and awesome experiences, not money or women, those things are bonuses. When you're truly happy the women will come anyway. We're all here because at one time or another we were really unhappy in life. Strive to win in all your endeavours, we men are a competitive species after all, but don't put yourself back there for the sake of the instant, shallow gratification of being richer than the guy next to you.

[–]1Chockrit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If your interest is Econ but you want more math in it, I would at least consider Actuarial Science. It's kind of like doing an Applied Math degree, where it's "applied" to economics. Stats, game theory, decision making, maximization, all that goes into Actuarial Science.

[–]1Snivellious2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is a pretty solid plan.

Economics has three big career forks: law, academia, and business. The first two are saturated right now, but neither is impossible if you do well and set your mind to it.

There are a lot of unemployed lawyers, but very few from top-notch law schools. Just be aware that it's no longer a field where you can go to the 78th best law school, do no internships, and expect a high-powered career. It doesn't sound like you're in danger of that, though. If I were back in school, I would look into law but bail out if I didn't get a promising start.

As for business, economics (with a strong math background) has a lot of potential. You can end up advising a company on the real economy, doing theoretical modeling (EVE Online hires economists to run their game economy), or being a "quant" for a banking firm. Economists, mathematicians, and engineers are all poached by banks to do financial modeling work at huge salaries.

All that is in addition to any management job that you get on the strength of a college degree and critical reasoning skills. If you like that path then look into getting a business, management, or accounting minor, which can really help sell you as a manager.

Econ isn't a "hard" degree like Mechanical Engineering, so there's no well-defined path of getting a job with the same name as your major. On the other hand, it's certainly not Contemporary Literature - it offers good skills and will get you a job if you work at it.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for the advice. It helps a lot when making my decision ultimately.

business, management, or accounting minor

Are they any pros and cons to either? Or they fill the same criteria?

[–]1Snivellious1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Glad to help!

Let's see. Business and management are pretty similar - check out what your university offers. They both help establish you as a competent leader for a business. Business is a bit more mechanical (how to book revenue, write up effective contracts, etc), which might be useful. Management is a bit more amorphous, but still worthwhile.

Accounting is substantially different. It has some of the same use as the first two, but it's less about leadership and more about practical uses. It adds a new set of skills that make you valuable on a practical level, rather than just as a leader. You can turn even a minor into an accounting job by taking a formal exam.

[–]Eatinglue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Many of them overlap, so pick one but gain knowledge from all fields.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

I recommend med school. The US needs doctors like Greece needs income, pay is high, you do respected, altruistic work, you develop a scientific mind, which is of tantamount importance to solving your own problems and problems in general, and you have guaranteed employment as soon as you graduate.

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I wouldn't want to be a doctor in the near future.

Loads of student debt, years before you can make a dime, and seismic shifts imminent in the industry.

A tech, a nurse, or a pharmacist? Sure.

But a doctor, nah.

Income of the peasants is shrinking and inevitably that is going to affect the moderate high earners. It will never affect the high unearned income folks, but the high earned income individuals are going to be chopped down pretty soon.

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There are ways to avoid debt, like getting a military scholarship, which gives you a stipend in med school, so you can start building wealth, i.e. unearned income before you even practice. And an American medical degree is good anywhere, so if US medicine gets reformed I doubt every country in the world with good pay for physicians will too. Demand for doctors is expected to rocket in the coming years, so I doubt a drastic pay drop is looming, anyways. Bachelor's dependent med workers is a good option, too, if debt becomes too much early on.

Would you suggest noblemen go into finance, banking, and business? I'm genuinely curious what you think the non-peasants should do from a lower middle class background to break into the elite.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even if the need for doctors does sky rocket, people simply wont be able to pay for it, so demand wont increase.

Pretty much every civilized country in the world has socialized medicine besides America. I honestly don't know how the pay stacks up but I doubt it will be any better there.

I believe the only way for a peasant to gentrify himself is entrepreneurship.

Bachelor medical degrees like physicians assistant (aka prescription vending machine) is an excellent choice if you never want to work another day in your life and have a solid income.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am more of a critical thinker than a scientist. I would not do well in the medical field, however I appreciate the advice.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am more of a critical thinker than a scientist.

These two go hand in hand, but I can appreciate not having a preference for medicine.

[–]MrMontage0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What is it that you think scientists do?

[–]chaseemall2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Apply for grants, deal with academic politics, specialize in a niche field that maybe 8 other people in the world are familiar with and occasionally do some science of importance?

[–]rpscrote1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am an attorney. I would absolutely NOT suggest doing Econ to Law. Literally nobody gives a shit about the econ degree, I have no idea how Econ to Law became the thing that it is. All the blowhard law professors that publish a lot of shit no one actually cares about are Econ people.

All the good work (e.g. not emotionally draining, poorly paid or 80+ hours a week) is USEFUL DEGREE + LAW. The law degree brings your already useful knowledge to the next level. Even if you actually want to be a litigator and do 100% law stuff (trial work, arbitration, corporate law etc.), a sales focused degree (Marketing for Sales or similar) is going to be 10x more valuable than Econ.

There are way, waaaay too many lawyers with no qualifications other than the law degree (Econ, English, History majors), and they get stuck doing endless depositions or sitting around writing the same motion over and over or other similarly annoying crap. Proto is right on the 80/20 rule. And the 20 is made up almost entirely of people with useful skills (some derived from useful degrees, some derived from useful experience).

Marketing/Design + Law = Competent Trademark attorney people want to hire. Computer Science / Comp. Sci + Law = Competent tech IP lawyer. Accounting + Law = Competent Corporate and Securities attorney people want to hire. Chemical and Pharmaceutical will require a lot more schooling before you can go into law, most have PhDs in addition to JDs. Extremely long schooling phase, but they get paid a hell of a lot of money. I personally chose the computer route because you can get into that on the law side with only a bachelors or masters depending on which area you go into (e.g. signal processing computer science proescution stuff = masters or more, defending against hand-waving web shit patents = bachelors). Engineering, mechanical and otherwise is very good too. Anything healthcare related is absolutely BOOMING right now, but can require a lot of medicine schooling before you can get into it. HIPAA/Privacy/Data Breach lawyers are making bank right now as it is exploding.

Plus if you get any hard science degree, you can register for the Patent bar and be a patent lawyer. Patent prosecution is great work, 100% office work, hardly any court dates and travel, but its very complex and skill intensive so you can make bank doing it.

Bottom line. GET A USEFUL DEGREE. Even if you want to do law afterwards. If the law thing doesn't work out you also still have your fallback degree, which gives you immense peace of mind.

[–]mvg2100 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Learning how to code isn't a bad way to get money these days, JavaScript is the future.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I just can't understand how people do that shit, tap on a keyboard for 8-12 hours a day without blowing their brains out.

[–]mvg2100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Getting paid on average 5x the minimum wage for flipping code rather than flipping burgers? I'll take it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I suppose if those are your two options then yeah.

[–]Eatinglue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Business Econ. Actually getting exposed to economics and how the real world works made everything fall into place for me. Econ should be 4 year mandatory in high school, not bullshit humanities stuff. How the fuck can people survive in the real world if they can't balance a freaking checkbook?

[–]sithman250 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Little late, but I'll drop in my two cents. If you say you like critical thinking and aren't bad at math, I'd take a look at engineering. I would avoid petroleum engineering right now since the market is volatile. Mechanical, chemical, and especially electrical engineering are all good majors. High demand and lots of cities to work in. PM me if you want to talk more. You seem to have your head on straight. Good luck to you man!

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I am not bad at math. Just I am not the biggest fan of pure math. Economics has a lot of critical thinking behind it, which is why I chose that route over straight forward engineering.

[–]sithman250 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It might be a suprise to some, but I've found engineering to be much more critical thinking than pure math. Yes there is math, and in academia there is calculus. However, in the professional world it's basic math with a heavy emphasis on physical principles and critical thinking. More open ended solutions than a single answer.

I have several friends in economic professions and there is quite a lot of critical thinking but there is also busy work at first, but that's with most professions. Good luck to you my friend.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think that a lawyer with an economics degree will do a lot better than an economist without a law degree.

It has been my observation that lawyers have tremendous power even if they do not get rich early on in their career. Not finding a job should be no problem, since lawyers can create their own jobs. My bankruptcy lawyer, 25 or 30 years ago, had an office in her house. I asked how many cases she had a year, and, she said something like 500. At the time, that translated to something like 250,000+ a year. (My bankruptcy was simple, and at the time, it could be had for 500 bucks. For more complicated ones, there was a higher charge. Now, the cheapest is about 1200, in town. You do the math.)

[–]Geleemann0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

+1 make sure to do a STEM degree, OP. That is; Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. Those fields are always in demand

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev32 points33 points  (8 children) | Copy

Congrats and well done. Just don't fuck up when you are away at school. Focus on academics. Fuck law school (source: am a lawyer.) It sux, is full if SJW shitheads and isnt the Golden Ticket to posperity that it used to be.

And remember, when u are an old guy like me, it's up to you to help the kids coming up behind you. As I say, All the young men are my sons.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

What do you think about the Economics degree? I'm currently asking around for advice on that end of the spectrum, but I've never asked a red piller, so nows a great time.

Do you think I have better options? I'm a person who enjoys critically thinking.

[–]TRPMaidenSlayer21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd honestly say the biggest thing you need to ask yourself what kind of environment you want to end up in - and this isn't even degree-related.

There are so many life paths you can choose:

  • Corporate life
  • Entrepreneurial
  • Independent contractor
  • Professional surfer bum
  • Academia
  • Small business employee

So many other choices.

Reason I say this is because one of my best friends belongs in academia. But he's now in corporate life, with the wife and kids and shit. He's fucking miserable. He would be no matter what his major was. He should be a professor somewhere. That's a completely upside-down life he's living!!

Regarding major, if you like critical thinking, you may enjoy computer programming. BUT... do you want to be a computer programmer at a corporation? Probably not. Hell no.

It's never a bad thing to know how to handle money. If you know money, you can go anywhere and do anything. But again, being an accountant at a corporation might drive you mad.

Meanwhile, for degrees, my general advice is to spend some time tinkering and bulldozing through various wikipedia articles, and decide what fascinates you. Take a class and talk to a dean / advisor in that school.

Consider something that's in a growing field. One of the most talented people I knew changed his major to paper science engineering. Guess what - paper science was dead on arrival the second the internet took off. Awful choice (he's since rebounded).

Another growing field you might like is anything involving genetics. Huge leaps will be there.

If you could somehow mix statistics / big data with economics with computer knowledge, you can do insane shit. Possibly for yourself too. There's growth in those areas. These are the things to consider. Join a rising tide, as it lifts all ships.

But whatever you choose, you should aim to absolutely crush it in your field. You don't want to be yet another fucking shitty C++ computer programmer. You want to be the computer programmer who is one of the experts in XYZ style encryption technology (growing field).

You don't want to be just another accountant. You'll eventually want to be the accountant who saves small businesses asses when it comes to getting audited (growing field, thanks to growing IRS). People will eventually literally beg for your help once established.

You won't know this stuff yet, but the point is, find something you love, then eventually over the next decade, strive to specialize.

Until then, have fun.

[–]therealpkg9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

College professor here. Majored in Econ, Poli Sci, and Business Admin (at least at the time, all could be jammed into 4 years and under the graduation credit requirement) and now teach in the SBA at a large US university. I have literally NEVER regretted going the Econ path. You'll use those skills and thought processes every single day, consciously or not. Poli Sci and BA were nothing but supplemental and I'm glad I have the degrees, but they're strictly a positive externality to what I focused my studying on.

That said, if I could do it again: double major in math and econ. Crush both those programs and you can do anything you fucking want.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The funny part is that I considered going Poli Sci into Law. I realized how useless I would find Poli Sci to be, and saw economics to be a much better option.

I also met with an economics professor and had a conversation with him. I enjoyed the way he approached problems and how economics had a whole deal of critical thinking behind it. It drew my interest, because I always enjoyed philosophy and I feel like the two subjects have a great deal in common.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

As /u/TRPMaidenSlayer suggests, think abt what you want to do. I was history major, because I like history, I knew I was going to law school (which was a viable choice then) and wanted easy classes that I liked and wouldn't be too taxing and get in the way of chasing tail and playing rugby and hanging at the fraternity.

I would do things differently now. Figure out what you want to do, and what you're good at. And focus on that. And don't take bullshit classes to be well-rounded. I took a composition class and sure I did well in it but it was a waste of fucking time. The natural science stuff I took (astronomy) was eay more interesting. I would also recommend taking a language or languages if you have the aptitude for it. Take Russian, Spanish or Portuguese depending on what flavor of pussy you like, and where you want to travel.

Also, consider a double major or dual degree. Econ/business or Econ and a language.

Good luck and keep first things first.

[–]2niczar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The question you ought to ask is, what kind job do you want to do? (If all students asked themselves that question, none of them would pick gender studies, unless flipping burgers is their answer.) Then choose the appropriate classes.

[–]pablodiablo9062 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say finance is probably worth more than Econ. Add some high level math and you can make stupid amounts of money.

[–]Lashlarue1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LS is a tool. All tools dont work unless you use them properly within a larger plan. Holding a hammer without a plan wont build you 80 houses.

[–]Slimjimmyfat15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah kid good stuff. Congratulations and know it only gets better. Don't ever stop improving, and we are all proud of you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

You sound like you've got the basics down, so I'll give you the one piece of advice I wish I had at 19-20. I know you didn't ask for it, but your post reminded me of how I felt at 17, so I felt obligated to.

Always set expectations for yourself that will force you to transform. Never set expectations that are already within your ability to achieve, because then you won't grow out of necessity to meet those challenges.

Set high goals for yourself that require extreme behavior to reach.

People set their goals so pathetically low. I want to lose 20 lbs, get a girlfriend, get a promotion to store manager. I want to make enough with my 40 hr work week to buy some weed and video games and drinks at the bar with my bros to talk about sports. I want to be able to at least get 7s and 8s. I want to make xx k a year.

The problem is, once they get it and feel content and happy, because it was a goal that did not force all that much improvement, they are not actually reaching a higher level and finding deep satisfaction in their accomplishments. A goal is cheapened if you didn't have to struggle and change for it.

You've seen the power of hard work and dedication now (and of leveraging realism-based knowledge in a fantasy-obsessed world). At your age, I was fortunate to know the same thing thanks to a great dad and football coach.

The biggest danger that early peakers have is to stop setting higher and higher goals. Once you become content and happy and think you've "made it", you get lazy and hamstery and resistant to change and hardship. The spiral of death begins. You should always have the philosophy of "where I am today ain't shit compared to where I could be tomorrow."

Good luck

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once they get it and feel content and happy

I've reached this for such a small achievement when I hit 144lbs, I got sick for a week but thought wow look at this progress. I stopped for about two weeks but felt slobby. Went back and kept going and now I realized how much of a speed bump this could be. I never thought of it this way though, and I'm happy you explained it. Just keep climbing. Thanks man.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy

About 2 years ago I saw the red pill and absolutely thought you guys were some crazy fucking weirdos.

We forgive you.

Congrats on the scholarship! Make sure you find some solid friends at Uni... don't hang with the needy people who are easiest to befriend first. Find as alpha as possible, and do everything you can to date outside college.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Thanks haha!

date outside college

Why is that? I was excited to have my own dorm and place, making it much easier. At the very least I would date outside of people in my classes, instead of completely out of college, is this a bad idea as well?

[–]1whatsazipper16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're being paranoid. It's fine to date women at college; have some standards and a backbone and you'll be fine.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

In college you're dealing with young women (ie teenagers), away from home for the first time, insecure, horny as hell, not used to drinking, and facing both huge sex opportunities and huge slut shaming issues, often with a BF back home and with the SJW crowd baiting her at every step of the way.

The potential for regret-false-rape charges is incredible, and the usual implementation of Title IX favours her at your expense. Own dorm is great - but get the girls from outside college.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah, I always assumed each girl has the same risks of false rape charges. Looking at it this way, the environment definitely changes their mindset.

If the situation comes, because I get the feeling it will, how can I safeguard myself from false rape charges?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can't entirely protect yourself... but check the legality of video recording. Don't have sex with a drunk girl (if she's on video staggering slightly, you're screwed). Send a nice follow-up text. If problems, don't speak to the SJW crowd without a lawyer. Never apologise (this is an admission of guilt). Never confess (this is obviously an admission of guilt). Never break frame - weakness invites attack.

Try to get through all that and still have fun! :)

[–]FioreFgt 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

False rape allegations. Just be careful.

[–]pablodiablo9066 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think not fucking crazy girls drastically reduced the likelihood this happens to you. Don't stick your dick in crazy, stay away from one night stands, have plates that are worthy of your time not just your cum dumpster.

Find quality people be they make or female and your life will be higher quality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Just not worth it these days to bang girls in your school. Kinda like the "don't bang girls you work with" rule makes sense to apply to college these days since you're stuck there, you're paying for it, and it just takes 1 girl crying rape with no evidence to destroy your college career. I'm not saying girls crying rape is the norm, but if you have the option of dating outside of school, you should.

[–]seanan1gans7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guy here currently in college. This seems needlessly cautious, and can lead to a lot of missed opportunities. As long as you are smart about the women you choose to pursue, and don't be a dumbass at parties, it's very easy to have a responsible, rape-accusation free college experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah I know, I'm just saying choose off campus over on campus

[–]TheRedAlt26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy

And this is what happens when we reach young men early enough. Imagine if we could reach them all.

[–]mspsysadmin 23 points23 points [recovered] | Copy

Especially note: single mother, no strong father figure. Prime blue pill betabux material for sure - but we got 'im.

Gives me hope for the next generation.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just turned 18, in this exact situation, this has been a life saver.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Even if you could make every 15-year old read TRP, you still wouldn't reach everyone. Many people need some life experience (like a bad relationship) before TRP sticks.

[–]L-System0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I actually considered telling my 17 year old brother about trp or just game in general. But now I think it wouldn't do any good unless he reaches here himself.

[–]chaseemall6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't refer him here. Simply demonstrate. The red pill (the masculine) mindset is perhaps best learned by osmosis, which is exactly how was conveyed for centuries.

[–]TRPMaidenSlayer12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best part of college is that you will find your people

Get involved in activities you enjoy (be it intramural soccer or robotics club) and you'll make life-long friends you never imagined possible.

Have fun. Would trade it all to be back in your shoes!

[–]Seattlelite847 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can i just take a moment to say that this thread represents my favorite aspect of this subreddit: the unrestricted pride, appreciation, and camaraderie this community shows when another man expresses his accomplishments with gratitude and humility. There is no one up manship or envy, just a genuine pleasure about a brothers path forward and a true hope for his future success. Nothing feigned, no bullshit.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats man, keep up that focus in college. Imagine studying hard and lifting for 4 years. You'll be strong as hell and lined up for a good job after college.

[–]dapowa5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck yeah. Good job man, focus on you and your betterment - in your inexperience with women, there lies a trap (I chose not to be aware of this one early in my adult life) - don't let women dissuade you from your mission. You have many more years for that, and then, it's all on your terms.

[–]KickinWangg3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

well done man, keep it up through college!

[–]Tall_Irish_Guy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always remember to use your gut instincts and judgement through life experience to determine how you want to treat people. You're young and still learning how the world really is. I wouldn't focus energy on this idea of plates straight off the bat.. Everyone else in this sub can say what they want, but the feeling of being in love at a young age is one of the most exciting and character defining things you can experience in my opinion. No rush.

To summarise my point, if you want to be your own man, you can hear advice from all different perspectives and 'people on the Internet'..but it's down to you to say what makes you happy. Seek happiness on your own terms. Don't listen to me or anyone else if you think it doesn't align with your goals.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sick, congratulations on your scholarship.

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[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Check the sidebar, it's there. I can't link because of the subreddit rules

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you use to link within reddit.

[–]wickedwildewolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That sub is called RedPillWomen.

[–]Geleemann3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Incase you go to any parties, or when you shag chicks in college, wrap your shit up.

[–]rossiFan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is an awesome account. The World is yours, so go get it.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy


In the past, you'd have had a positive male presence in your life to get you up to speed on this shit. Most of us don't have that now, so we have to be there for each other, and especially the young 'uns.

Pay it forward, bro.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was a trainer named James at the gym I went to. He found out I had no money to afford one and taught me proper form. So I guess I had one and I'm happy I did.

Thanks and will do!

[–]Jaquethelad2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

What would your advice be to a 16 year old?

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

To be honest it is very subjective and context is very important. I don't feel like I can just give you advice to make everything better. I feel like I should tell you to realize what's wrong with your life, what do you hate? Are you small? Are you big?

What do you like? Do you have a good time with your friends? Figure that part out and get it straight. From there you can discover what you need to change.

For me I needed more social interaction and needed to get I'm the gym badly. I got a job and got the me membership and did just did that. It was boring and slow and felt like it didn't make a difference. But I have to say man being able to be shirtless and at least look a bit good was a great feeling and it kept me going. I don't have some rock solid hard body, but it's better than what it was before.

For you that can be different. Figure that out and get started

That actually reminds me of a good point. Don't judge your accomplishment on others. Meaning don't use me or anyone to compare to yourself. If you're doing better than how you were before, then you're making progress. And in the end that's the only thing that is important.

[–]Jaquethelad0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

I live in a small town in Ireland and most of the girls here have already friendzoned the afc me, I have some good friends that are older than me. Gym also isn't a problem, I'm 78 kg and can squat 135kg so I'm not doing to bad. I just need to fine tune my social interaction with girls. Any advice on books to read or stuff?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

  • Models by Mark Manson
  • Book of Pook

Those would be a good start.

[–]1Ronin11A0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Beat me to it.

The main thing that helped me with women after high school and entering college was internalizing, "Be fun." Internalize it on multiple levels. When around women, simply be fun. Be smiling, be laughing, be the life of the party.

On Friday nights in college, I would hit the gym from 8p-10pm. I would walk back to the fraternity house, take a shower, get dressed, make sure my room was clean, fridge was stocked. By this time, the girls had usually made their way over to the house and were wandering the halls. Before I opened the door or cranked up the music, I'd sit in silence for about a minute, and focus. Everything that was bothering me, everything serious, everything that was a buzzkill, I'd mentally flush it from my mind. Push it aside. Then, when I was ready, I'd put my game face on, open the door, and when I stepped out, to the girls, it was like I didn't have a care in the world.

College girls hate serious guys. They just wanna play, be silly, and get fucked by some charming alpha who made them tingle. Be smart, be serious, be intellectual, but do it on your own time. When you're around women, be fun. They don't care that you bombed a test, or your ex started digging up the past, or that pup of 14 years died. Those burdens you bear with your brothers, in private, behind closed doors.

To the girls? You're cocky, playful, and King Kong ain't got shit on you.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

/u/TRPThrowRug2 named excellent books having to do with women.

However being able to handle people in general is a very important skill.

Therefore I must recommended "How to Win Friends and Influence People". It's a great foundation.

As for reading anything else, I personally find frame one of the most important things you can learn about. Us being young, it's easy to see examples of what not to do. You probably have friends who Crack under pressure easily. Learning how to control that is an immense tool, don't underestimate it.

[–]Jaquethelad0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Any good books for frame? I've read all 3 of the books reccommended but I think I'll re read them to internalise them more

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know of books for frame. But just reading stories here and figuring out how people held frame in then and how they broke it helps. There are also good posts here and on rseduction

[–]Jaquethelad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks lad, I'll look out for them more

[–]pablodiablo9061 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You didn't ask me but what I wish I knew at 16 is that all the shit I thought I knew I barely understood. Also you get out life what you put in. Don't half ass things because you can and don't do things because they are easy. Learn early to challenge yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congratulations. A lot of us if given the chance would want to swallow the pill at a younger age. Start lifting earlier, but you are at a great age. Your time in the gym is double effective compared to me at 25 years old. Good. Remember this is not the end goal, its just the start. Constant self improvement. Cheers and good luck

[–]seanan1gans2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really like this post, I'm 18 myself. For everyone, but especially younger guys like us, I think it's important to realize how essential it it to cut down on useless past times. For example, video games are fun and all, but I learned that I have just as much fun learning to compose music, and the latter is much more beneficial to my life in general. Finding a mix of hobbies that also incorporate self improvement has helped me "grow up" so much.

[–]Nugulus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love reading posts like this. You're so young and still have so much further to go but you are miles ahead of most guys twice your age. Keep it up, you're going to do great things my friend

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great job. You're miles ahead many of the kids your age.. just be aware that once you get to college you're going to meet people from across the spectrum. Just remember, stay smart, pick a degree that has viable salary potential. I can't emphasize how important this is. I'm 4 years out of college myself and about 80% of the kids i went to school with who chose useless degrees are working at chain restaurants trying to find themselves and living paycheck to paycheck. You DO NOT want this to be you, and trust me you'll be tempted to take the easy way out once you see other people doing it. Stick to your guns and remember no one except YOU will prioritize your future and your advancement other than yourself.

[–]WalterEArmstrong2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd give my left gonad if I could've said that at your age. Great story, keep on growing, you've got a great start.

[–]Flight-Control2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A small thing i noticed in life (im 40-ish) is that there will always be people who will say "no, that's not possible" (whatever subject). This only means that THAT person doesn't see it as a possibility. Also.. the Universe ows you nothing. If you want something YOU have to put in the effort but reading your post you got that covered. Wel done dude!

[–]FutureLawyer19892 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are really lucky to get some genuine red pill knowledge at an early age. Keep at it, bro.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Please take a moment to re-examine and possibly reframe your views of your father. Since you likely didn't have much contact with him, your views on WHY you dont have much contact probably stem from your mom. This world is filled to the brim with people called deadbeats that were tricked into conception with no recourse, been forced out of their children's lives by unilateral decision, estranged by lies and forced into servitude. Hell, I'd even bet that your father wouldn't speak ill of your mother ever, just on general principal.

But since the word you used was 'deadbeat', Im betting that came from your mother. As much as we love our moms, they're still human, and they're still women. Connect with him, even if it's slowly; there is a very good chance that he can be a significant asset in your life, and may not be worthy of the vitriol you feel towards him.

You wouldn't be the first kid manipulated in such a way, conditioned to hate something you had no contact with.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

He left when I was 8. He beat my mother and cheated on her on the daily. I have 5 half brothers I don't even know. He's shown up drunk many times by my house and was just released from prison for selling cocaine.

I had the feeling that this was actually gonna come up because I used the word deadbeat, funny enough. However I promise you my mother has been nothing but good to me and my view on my father is purely from me.

I'm very content with the current situation and happy with how it is now. I have no want or desire to reconnect with him.

[–]rpcharles4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a step father who was similar. Best thing to do about a male figure like that is to use him as an example of what not to be.

[–]Geleemann3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are very mature for your age, and have a good head on your shoulders. You'll be fine

[–]NocturnityReaps-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally agree with this, i was in a similar situation myself except my mom was a nazi. I'll be 19 in a couple weeks and i have no contact with my mother and i know my dad would do anything for me but he knows he doesn't have to because I've been self sufficient for 2 years.

[–]EscortSportage1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats! This is great news! When your 21 lets enough some Bourbon together, and you can teach me how college works.

[–]flat6turbo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

congrats kid. don't forget all these things as you progress through college and enter the 'real world'. that's when it becomes the most important.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great job so far, keep it up. I wish I had what you have at your age.

[–]billythebeta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great job man-- I only wish I found this subreddit when I was as young as you. Glad to hear about your scholarship, but remember that you need to keep your head in the game now, as scholarships can be taken back if you fuck up badly. It's easy to lose track of what's important in college when everyone is partying near you-- be mindful of this. Good luck

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is not a field report, it's a thankTRP and we technically do have a separate sub for it so it doesn't clog up the main sub.

Glad to hear things went well, take your education seriously OP, because only just started and will get harder.

If I lost my virginity 2 years ago, I would have gone to school and told absolutely everyone like a little kid who got a present from Santa.

Exactly OP, when you do anything think about whether or not it benefits you, and will letting the lads at school know you're above them?

[–]radianceofparadise1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm jealous. I wish I had discovered this at your age. You got the whole world ahead of you man. Go slay.

[–]Lord_NShYH1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congratulations. You're ahead of the game. Imagine finding TRP when you're pushing 30, or even later. Keep it up, and the world is yours for the taking.

[–]WalkingThroughEmbers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whilst my comment is excessive, I still feel you deserve another praise for how you've progressed in life. I myself have gone through a lot of changes in my life as of recently, and admittedly have fallen behind in self-progress, be it due to injuries, studies or whatever. Posts like these help motivate me, and perhaps others who are stuck on the path to become the best versions of themselves. Thanks.

[–]vajav1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats, mrthrowaway413...I wish I had that mentality at your age...keep doing what you're doing & enjoy the ride

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So much maturity at 17.. You're winning at life kid. Only thing: never underestimate how much more you will learn. I can guarantee you that your 19yo self will look back at your present 17yo self and think how little he knew back then.. Same at 19, 21, etc

[–]J_AsapGem1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

dude you stated off so young, you're going to blossom in life greatly my friend, your not even in your twenties and discovered this life changing truth, proud of you mate go make the world your play ground.

[–]turn30left1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great write up. I wish I knew these things when I was your age. Keep crushing it in school and in the gym and you'll be fine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm somewhat in a similar situation like you, freshman, if you're good at math look into statistics, that's a prospering field.

Felt like with a degree in economy you are just another one of thousands, differing only in name, hobbies and countries travelled.

[–]DarkuSchneider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you sir and best of luck in school.

[–]sinzster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am truly happy for you man. Go slay the world ;)

[–]kurtthesquirt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad to hear from young bucks like yourself. Keep up the strong work. I'm also excited to see how TRP advice will also "grow up" and not only give direction to single men to be confident, successful and independent, but teach REAL men how to be Alpha of their own pack, as a healthy and loving husband and even better, as the ultimate leader in life, a dad.

[–]davemustaine13 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Reading your post made me realize how much of a fuck up I am. In my mid-twenties now.

Mad respect bro, you look set to become a top 5-10% male at this rate. Women will literally beg to fuck you.

Stay humble, stay focused. Keep working on your body, studies, and social skills.

If I could do just one thing differently in my undergrad years, I would network with the 'cool' crowd, join clubs / associations and make real friendships.

I was pretty much an omega with zero visibility back then. My life revolved around fapping, football, chatting online etc.

Thanks for the inspiration man. Props.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Reality hits hard I guess. I don't think I am in the position to give out advice, but change something. Even if it's tiny, just change something for the better in your life.

[–]chaseemall1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, don't do what I did and blow the scholarship by burning out.

Don't set false expectations on yourself to do more than necessary.

Focus on socializing, not just on school. Don't let your grades slip either. Being kinda good at both school and socializing can work synergistically to increase your value; i.e. better than only being really good at only one.

Party a little. Get laid a little. Don't go overboard.

Study as much as necessary: not more, not less.

Study something you like. It doesn't have to be your favorite; it should be practical. BUT you need to like what you study to really thrive.

If you have some things that make you who you are, don't stop doing those things. If you write poetry or play music or make video games, don't stop because you think you won't have time. Don't stop because they aren't cool. Don't quit the things that make you unique. Definitely don't quit the things that make you sane.

Don't overstress on making the gpa requirement for your scholarship. Don't overload on hours and you should be fine. Don't take 18 hours your first semester.

Join a good social organization with lots of connections in the real world. Prominent people should have graduated from that organization.

Good luck.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like our minds think a like, because this was my plan. Do everything I can but don't over do things. Really enjoy college because I was told that high school would fly by and I didn't believe that. I'm now going to college and I'm aware with how true that is.

[–]NiceTryDisaster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your writing style is really good. Congrats on everything so far. The only critique I would offer is to gain more weight. Bulk up slowly to 180-190 atleast. Very inspiring post, thanks for sharing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very insightful post, and congrats on the scholarship.

TRP will also help you navigate the world of higher education, and everything else that life throws at you.

I'm 42, and just discovered TRP. Learnt more in a year, than my whole lifetime!

Stay red!

[–]_M0NkeY_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep killing shit, fucking awesome. It's been said here before you lucky to have found TRP at such a young age. Internet, forums, Reddit didn't exist for a lot of our older members. You either learned shit thru trial and error or you were a FF7 playing incel.

I love hearing stories like this. I'm 31 and found TRP 2 years ago and my life was forever changed. TRP is literally saving young men's lives whether they were without fathers, raised by beta fathers or just doped up on too much feminine imperative indoctrination.

Good luck on your endeavors. Keep lifting, stay improving.

[–]ReadySetGonads1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man, so many good posts on this thread..

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It was a great turn out. Didn't expect it!

[–]Douglerful1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck dude, I'm 6 years older then you and I closed the tab out of pure jealousy. You've seriously got it together, shit. I'm still pretty salty but damn I had to say. You've done so well your pissing off internet strangers, congrats!

[–]Johndoesmith673 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

nice job dude. Found this stuff around 15 at 6'1 180. I am 21 now and 6'3 220, Don't let the world strip you of you. Don't forget this stuffand apply it every where.

Keep the cardio up

[–]SamGill 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

people will have their opinions. here's mine - and a lot of folks in TRP will disagree with me. e.g. there is a cost to girls riding the carousel. they cannot eat the cock and ride it too. the same goes for men spinning plates - which is the male equivalent of the carousel. there is a cost to it. if that's what you choose then more power to you. don't be deceived that there is no negative side effects, that you can have a good 'ld time with no down side.

[–]Hanz_Wunderbarwang 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

The CC is not analogous to spinning plates at all.

[–]je_dois 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What he says about it having negative effects is definitely true. Not even close to the effect of the CC of course, but it has the potential to turn you into a very jaded, bitter individual if you're not careful.

Luckily thanks to something like TRP it's a lot easier to avoid that, but I think we all know somebody who's become so focused on spinning plates that they forget to focus on themselves.

[–]SW98760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't there an entire sub reddit dedicated to posts like this?

[–]nuc220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why so many downvotes? This is fuckin' legendary.

[–]DrewCruise 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Congratulations! But if the college of your choice is in a state with 'Yes means Yes' laws, know your rights. Which aren't a lot these days. Make sure you have written consent before doing the deed. Such as text before and after. Also, have a phone number or know a good attorney.


[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

NJ, not really up to date with the laws regarding it.

[–]mara5a0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Being european I have no idea about US college scholarships. The $88 500 is per semester, year or for whole study period? Thanks.

[–]1mrthrowaway413[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's $21,000 a year they're giving me. Tuition is $22,500. Therefore I'm only paying $1,500

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wasn't there a mod post on these kinds of threads not too long ago?

[–]RedSyringe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats man that's a real achievement!!! Keep the community updated!!

[–]topapito0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're in your teens and believe you're the Chad, you're wrong. You're not even close to being the full version of you yet.

If you're in your teens and believe you're the Chad, you're wrong. You're not even close to being the full version of you yet.


There is a Chad waiting around the corner for every Chad. No matter what you have, there is someone out there with a bigger dick, more money, a nicer smile, better hair, in short, you waste your time trying to be the all time Chad. Be happy if you can be Chad a few times throughout your life and concentrate on being the best you that you can be. AT ANY AGE

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck yeah dude. Keep it up!

[–]Frothyogreloins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just made a post like this telling a story just like this. Congrats man we're all gonna be alright.

[–]theFruit_ofmyLabor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Congratulations. Imagine how good life will be one, two, three, four decades from now.

Small note that is not meant to take anything away from the positive beat of your situation: preserve yourself like an artifact through college. You seem like you already take care of yourself like your own father (which is what happens with most kids who decide to man up being raised by a single mother), but be aware of the influence of those around you. ALWAYS choose to focus on the relationships who actually show concern for #1-their own wellbeing, and #2-your wellbeing. I'm sure you'll do just fine to stay out of trouble, so just keep focusing on the improvement and growth.

[–]drummmmergeorge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So young, so easy to manipulate, can't wait to farm you guys! :)

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