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How to really succeed at Tinder (not just another Tinder guide, this is a detailed Tinder roadmap)

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June 1, 2018


Tired of seeing posts on here shitting all over Tinder. If you do it right there is no easier way to meet women in my opinion. The ones shitting on it are the ones not having any success. I've been successful at Tinder(and Bumble) for the past couple of years and let me show you how I do it.

I know a lot of Tinder guides have been posted here before, but here is my take on how to have success.

Step 0 - Understand The Ultimate Maxim of Tinder

IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING MATCHES, ITS BECAUSE YOUR PICTURES SUCK. 100% of the time this is the case. It's not Tinder screwing you, its not Tinder trying to get you to pay for its Plus/Gold features, its not shallow women, its not women only on there for validation, its not a glitch, its not anything but the fact that your pictures are ass. Keep this in mind when you inevitably see someone shit on Tinder in the comments of this post or elsewhere on TRP.

Step 1 - Understand The Tinder ELO System and how it works

Basically Tinder uses an ELO rating system to "rate" each account to judge how attractive the account is based on their swiping and how they get swiped. Obviously, if your profile gets swiped right a lot, you'll have a higher rating, and vice versa. It's not just how people swipe you that determines your rating, but also how picky you are. If you are swiping right on everything, your rating will go down because when you do that you are swiping right on low rated profiles. If you are pickier and only swipe right on higher rated profiles, you'll have a chance for a better score, assuming you are getting swiped right a lot as well. To learn more about how the ELO rating system works mathematically, check out

TLDR, your Tinder ELO score is determined on the rating/quality of profiles swiping right on you, and the rating/quality of profiles you are swiping right on.

Step 2 - Know your competition

One thing I recommend doing, if you have the time, is creating a burner Facebook account as a woman. Use it to make a Tinder account and select that you are interested in men. This way you can scroll through the profiles to see the men you will be competing with in your area.

A general theory of Tinder is that for brand new accounts, you get a "noob boost", which means they are going to show you the higher ELO rated Tinder accounts first, and your profile will also be put toward the top of other user's stacks so they don't have to scroll through many profiles before seeing yours. This doesn't mean every single Tinder account in your stack that you scroll through will be high rated, because remember, there will also be new accounts in your initial stack who are also being boosted, many of which will suck.

Why am I mentioning this noob boost? Because you can use this to scout your competition. The profiles you will be seeing when you do this are generally the profiles the attractive women will be seeing. That way you know what you need to do to beat the competition.

For the sake of this post I went ahead and did this for my area(medium sized city in the Southern United States). I scrolled through the first 100 male profiles and gave each profile a rating on picture quality(1 being shit, 5 being top tier) and attractiveness(1 being ugly, 5 being top tier) and then I flagged an account if they were not lean.

Settings: Age 18-32, 30 mile radius.


  • Of the 100 profiles, only 3 of them had what I considered top tier pictures. Most were shitty selfies, bad quality pictures that had grainy or fuzziness in them, bad lighting, or bad poses. Lots of crappy gym selfies and mirror selfies. The average picture quality rating was 1.866 out of 5. That's bad, and shows you don't really need to do much to have better pictures than the rest.

  • The average attractiveness rating was a 2.1, not much higher than the picture quality number. And this is supposedly contains the best profiles? I think a lot of the profiles I saw were "noob boost" profiles, no way they would be high rated. Either way, I only handed out a "5" to 4 profiles, that's 4%, and only handed out a 4 to 3 profiles. That means out of 100, only 7 were what I considered attractive enough profiles a woman would swipe right on.

  • 65 of the 100 profiles were not lean, 51 were overweight, and 32 were obese. Once again, shows how much impact being lean has.

  • Average age was 20.9, but the average age of the profiles I gave a 3 or higher to was 24.6. Older guys seem to have a better grasp on this.

Moral of this story? You really don't have a high bar to clear when it comes to having a top tier Tinder profile. Most guys Tinder profiles suck ass. All you need are good quality photos and to be lean to beat most Tinder profiles out there. Unless Tinder only shows the highest rated accounts to accounts who already have a proven high ELO score and still hides them even from noob boost accounts.

Step 3 - Yes, being attractive matters

This is an app where people judge you on apperance. You think looks don't matter? They absolutely do. I am not saying this app is worthless for you if you are below a 7/10 in looks, but you have to reel in your expectations. Women on these apps are pickier than they are in real life, so if you are a 5/10, don't go in expecting to match with 8s or higher.

Before dismissing Tinder and other apps all together, try to max out your looks first. Lose weight, get lean, lift, dress well, wear the right accessories, sport a good haircut/hairstyle, have a good facial care/skin care routine, and all of that. Doing all of this + taking good pictures will go a long way and can add points to your attractiveness.

Step 4 - Pictures are 90% of the battle


You are going to sink or swim by your pictures, specifically, the quality of your pictures. Period. I consider myself an attractive man, but I failed at Tinder at first because my pictures sucked. Even if you are attractive, if you have shitty pictures, you are doomed. When I finally put some good pictures on my profile, it was night and day the number of matches and interest I was getting. It became like shooting fish in a barrel. I even got reported to Tinder as a catfish because women thought I was ripping my pictures from models and wasn't who I was in the pictures.

Now the term "good pictures" can mean so many different things. From my experience, here are the elements that make up good quality pictures:

  • Picture quality - There is a difference between a shitty cell phone front camera picture and a picture coming from a DSLR or expensive camera. This does matter. Front facing cell phone cameras generally have bad quality, bad apertures, bad lenses, and distort your face. The clearer and less grainy the picture, the better.

  • Lighting - Lighting matters. Pictures taken in the dark will suck because they will have high ISO settings, meaning more grainy. Pictures taken using indoor lighting often cast unnatural shadows with harsher lighting. Pictures taken with a camera flash add 7 years to your face and create all kinds of bad shadows and unappealing flashback. The best lighting is outdoors. The problem with outdoor photos is that generally the sun will be too bright, causing too many harsh shadows, overexposure and your eyes to squint. One solution is to take pictures when its cloudy. Or you can take pictures in the shade(but beware of surrounding glare that causes you to squint). The best time to take outdoor pictures is an hour after sunrise or before sunset, known as the golden hour. You can google "Golden Hour Calculator" to determine what time exactly this is for your location. During the golden hour you can take good pictures with soft, golden lighting and yet its not bright enough to cast bad shadows or make you squint. If you are wearing sunglasses it doesn't matter what time of day you take outdoor pics, but generally you don't want to have more than 1 or 2 pics in your Tinder picture album with sunglasses.

  • Setting - Where you take your pictures matter. A computer selfie at your desk in your room = shit. A picture of you outdoors somewhere interesting = good. The key here is variety. When I was doing the burner account competition check earlier, most guys are bad when it comes to variety of their settings. Find unique outdoor places to go to. One of my favorite is the roof of a parking garage downtown on weekends. There is no one up there, I don't have to pay to get in, and you get a badass view of the downtown skyline in the background. Parks, hiking trails, mountains, lakes, beaches, rivers, etc. all work. You can also be creative and get shots on the sidewalks, streets, etc.

  • Pose and Posture - You want your poses to be natural based on the setting your picture is taken. If you are taking a picture on a sidewalk, you obviously don't want your pose to be as if you are posing for the camera, you want your pose to be as if you were walking down the sidewalk. Go to YouTube and look up modeling poses for inspiration. And make sure to have good posture whatever pose you use.

  • Facial Expression - The key here is variety. You don't want all your photos to be of you smiling into the camera. You don't want all of your photos to be of you looking away from the camera with your mouth closed and a serious expression. I go with the rule of halves here. You want half of your pictures to be smiling, half not smiling. Then half of your pictures looking into the camera, and half looking away.

  • Composition - Where you are placed in the frame matters a lot. You see a lot of guys fail at this when checking out the competition. In my opinion there are only 2 acceptable compositions: Half body shots, and full body shots. Half body shots are generally shots from the waist or upper thigh up, full body has your entire body in the frame. But that is only half the battle - you don't want much open space between the top and bottom of the frame. Use the entire frame. This is a good example of what I mean in a full body shot, the concept for a half body shot is the same. Notice how the whole frame is used, not much gap above his head or below his shoes. Now here is an example of a bad full body shot - notice how much empty space there is above his head and below his feet. You want to avoid face only shots because they just aren't flattering and will hide your body, which you want to show off if you are lean, and also hides your fashion, which leads me to:

  • Fashion/Style - Your clothing choices matter and can greatly enhance your overall look if done right. You want your pictures to show off a diverse variety of well fitting stylish clothes. FIT is the key, more than style. They both greatly matter, but bad fit will ruin any style. A good style can't overcome bad fit. Go shopping to stores like J Crew and wear the smallest size you can that still fits, in a slim style cut if you can find it. Some good ideas for clothes to wear: Dark Wash Slim Jeans, Slim Chino Pants(Khaki is my favorite color), Flat Front Chino Shorts at 9 inch inseam or less, Slim Fit Casual Button Down Shirts, Polos, Well Fitting T-Shirts, Denim Button Downs, Denim Jackets, Bomber Jackets, Leather Jackets, Slim Dress Shirts, Nice Sweaters, Watches(you need to wear one in every photo), boots, dress shoes, loafers, nice sneakers, necklaces, pendants, and bracelets. NO - Cargo Shorts, Cargo Pants, tennis shoes, basketball shoes, "skater" shoes, flip flops/sandals, baggy clothes, hats, sweats, hoodies, logo or graphic shirts. You need to be wearing a wristwatch in all your pictures.

  • Hair - Make sure you put some effort into it, whatever you do. Find a good haircut/hairstyle for your face shape.

  • Pets - If you have a dog, probably a good idea to have a dog pic.

  • Motorcycle - If you have one, probably a good idea to have a pic of you on your bike

Step 5 - How to actually go about taking good pictures

So I stated what makes a good picture. But how do you actually do it? There are 3 ways I recommend, all of which are viable and have their pros and cons.

The Friend With a Camera Approach

Find a friend to go along with you with a camera and have him/her take pictures of you in various places or settings. Ideally you'll want a friend with a good camera who knows a thing or two about how to take good pictures. Or you could go on Craigslist or something and hire a professional photographer but that can be a bit pricey.

Pros: Lots of possibilities, someone else controlling the camera means you don't have to set and forget the photo settings or placement, good for getting shots at busy places with lots of people without creating a distraction or scene(think downtown locations), cheapest approach

Cons: Less creative control over the pictures, can only be done when friend is available and in that certain time frame, not everyone has a friend who is available or willing to do this.

The Tripod Approach

This is where you buy a tripod to go with whatever camera you are using, set up the tripod and take pictures. I do have a nice camera and a tripod, and have used this approach, but it can be difficult to get right even though I have a remote controller for it because with nicer cameras, it's most ideal to have someone behind the camera to fine tune the controls for every shot.

Pros: Don't need someone else, can do everything on your own time, allows for unique locations to be shot

Cons: Can be expensive, not ideal for high traffic places, tripod can be unstable and knocked over by things like wind, some locations there isn't an ideal place to put the tripod, even with a timer or remote controller it can be difficult to get the right photo settings in terms of shutter speed, aperture and focus

The Drone Approach

This is personally the approach I have used over the past year to amazing results. Obviously, drones aren't cheap, but they are worth the investment. Not only can you get some good photos from some unique angles and take them anywhere, but it also gives you a fun hobby as well on the side. I've used both the DJI Spark and DJI Mavic Air drone for this. Both have good cameras, and even better, they have an interval setting meaning it will take a picture every 2 seconds. Meaning 30 pictures a minute. DJI Spark battery lasts about 12 minutes, and DJI Mavic Air lasts about 16-18 minutes. That means you can get 360-480 pictures per battery. Tell me you can't find at least one good picture? You can find a DJI Spark new for $350-$400 in stores or on eBay used for cheaper. Just make sure you get a quality drone, DJI is a good brand. The cheap $50-$100 drones you can get at Wal-Mart won't cut it.

Pros: Don't need another person, can get all kinds of unique angles/settings/locations you can't get with a tripod, can be controlled remotely, good picture quality once you get the settings right

Cons: Loud, not ideal at all for use amongst places with a lot of traffic/people so you have to find more isolated places, some locations are restricted for drone use, takes a while to learn how to dial in the photo settings like ISO, shutter speed and exposure value that flatter you the most, expensive

All 3 of these approaches are viable. But one of these 3 approaches have to be used if you want to have top tier photos. Getting your cell phone camera, leaning it up against something, setting the timer and running into place isn't going to cut it. Outstretched arm selfies won't cut it. Cropped group pics won't cut it. Mirror pics won't cut it. Yes, it takes time and effort, and for some of the approaches, investment, but it pays off. Do you want to succeed or not?

Step 6 - To shirtless ab pic or not to shirtless ab pic?

From my experience, you can go either way. If you have a shitty body, are skinny or fat, and have no defined abs and vascularity, it won't work. If you have a good body with defined muscles, vein vascularity and a 6 pack, it won't hurt to have a shirtless picture in there. It's not always ideal, though. There are girls who will swipe left when they see a shirtless picture no matter what. I've found that shirtless pics work better when you are looking for hookups, not so much when you are looking for dating/something longer term.

If you want to use a shirtless pic, there is one rule: IT HAS TO LOOK CANDID. Shirtless mirror bathroom pic = NO. Shirtless gym selfie = NO. If it looks like you are posing for the picture, and therefore it was planned, its not going to work. It has to look like it was taken candidly, unplanned, as if you were doing something, and someone happened to take a picture of you. The shirtless picture I had the most success with was one of me at the park holding a football, I made it look like I was playing football, even though I was there by myself and used my drone to take the picture. However, I made it come across as extremely candid, even though my 6 pack and vein vascularity and muscles were showing off. Shirtless pics at the beach or pool also work.

Step 7 - Post Processing/Editing

You don't want to just use the pictures as they are. You want to find your best ones and then edit them. Use editing software(Adobe Lightroom is good, the stock Windows photo software is good, I am sure iPhoto is good) to mess around with the pictures. Apply filters, change the brightness/contrast/clarity/saturation, and all of that. The key is to not go overboard with the filters and everything. You still want it to look natural. The editing will add to your photo, not make your photo. Women will know if your picture is edited too much. Edit it in a way where it looks a lot better than the original, but at the same time you can't tell it was actually edited.

Step 8 - Selecting Which Pictures to Use

The generally key, as I have already stated, is variety. You want your 6 pictures to give a well rounded perspective of who you are. Variety in terms of poses, facial expressions, outfits, and locations.

Obviously you want to pick your 6 most flattering pictures. The best approach to use is to pick 6 locations and outfits and take a shit ton of pictures at all 6. Then pick the best from each group and there are your 6.

Your lead picture needs to be your best one. It needs to clearly show your face and your body, uncovered eyes(no sunglasses) with clothes on(no shirtless pics as your lead), by yourself(no group pics). Your last picture also needs to be a good one, as if a girl is swiping through your pics, will be her last impression before she decides to swipe right or left on you. Remember, she will judge you by your worst pic.

I'm not going to post my profile, but here is a breakdown of my pictures:

  • 4 of 6 I am smiling

  • 3 of 6 I am looking at the camera

  • 2 of 6 I am wearing sunglasses

  • 5 of 6 are full body shots, head to toe

  • All are taken outside

  • No shirtless pics that I am currently using

  • 2 of 6 I am wearing flat front chino shorts, 2 of 6 I am wearing jeans, 1 of 6 I am wearing khaki chinos, 1 of 6 I am wearing dress pants

  • 2 of 6 I am wearing a v neck t-shirt, 3 of 6 I am wearing a casual button down shirt with the sleeves rolled up, 1 of 6 I am wearing a dress shirt with a tie

  • 2 of 6 were taken in broad daylight(both sunglasses pics), 3 of 6 taken at sunset in the golden hour, 1 of 6 taken in broad daylight but in the shade

  • Locations Used: Beach Sand, Downtown Sidewalk, Work(Outside), Top Level of Downtown Parking Garage, Football Field, Side of Building

  • Poses Used: Sitting on Cooler, Leaning Against Pole, Leaning Against Wall, Walking With Football in Hand, Standing Straight Up Smiling Into the Camera, Looking Over Shoulder

  • No Group Pics or pics with others. Group pics are overrated. Yes, it shows you having fun with friends, but generally they are not flattering and the cropping you have to do ruins the quality. I'd rather have 100% control over my pictures from start to finish. If your pictures are good enough she won't give a shit if you are alone in all of them.

Step 9 - Your bio. Does it even matter?

In general, your bio doesn't matter. She really only looks at your pictures which are all that matter. If your pictures are good enough, then she might glance at your profile just to make sure you are a real person.

Your bio will not help you at all. It can only hurt you. Since you have all to lose and nothing to gain, you need to keep your bio short and to the point. If you are over 6 feet tall, list your height. If you are 5'10, say you are 6 feet. Put where you are from, what part of town you live in, and about 3 or 4 things you like to do. Put the college you graduated from if you have graduated. If you have a cool job, put it in there, otherwise be either really vague with it or don't put it in there at all.

Example Profile that works: "6'1, from New York, living here in Florida in West Miami. Ohio State '13. Fishing, traveling, fitness, and more."

There. That's all you really need. Nothing in there that will scare anyone away or devalue you, but makes you look like a real person. Don't try to put anything witty or funny or out there. Just keep it simple.

Step 10 - Deploying your Profile and Using Tinder

Don't set up your profile until you are absolutely ready to start with your full profile because once you set up your profile you are put in others stacks. If you already have an account, delete it so you can start over. Upload your pictures, write your bio, and where you go from here is up to you.


Be picky. Only swipe right on girls that you are certain are who they are in their profile. If she only has face shots, chances are she is fat. Remember the rule: "If you got it, flaunt it". Girls live by this. If they have a good body, they will show it off. If they have good tits or ass, it will be shown off. If it looks like they are hiding something, they are. Read her profile, don't just look at her pics. Chances are you might like her pics, but then you look at her profile and it will state she is a single mom. Generally, if you have been swiping a while and have reached the point of the stack where all the girls are ugly, and then you come across one that is hot, chances are she is either a bot or single mom. Because legit hot girls who aren't single moms or don't have major red flags will never be that far down the stack.

Being picky also helps your ELO score, which increases your chances of being shown at the top of the stacks of the more attractive women.

Super Likes

There are two trains of thought on Super Likes. One train is that its good, it will make her think longer about you. The other train is that its creepy and too much and shows her you are already too interested.

My take? Use them. I've had more good than bad from super likes. Not only that, but using a Super Like automatically puts you at the top of her stack, so you know you will be seen next time she logs on. Unless you have Tinder Gold, you only get one per day so use wisely.

Tinder Gold

I am a fan. I only recommend, however, using this on a month by month basis. I think its a good investment to use your first month. The queue which shows who has liked you is helpful and will help you gauge how good your pictures are. If its not filling up you have shitty pictures. Also the quality of girls liking you will also help you see what type of women is finding you attractive. Lastly it helps because it helps you ground yourself to reality. A lot of girls don't log into Tinder that much, so by seeing who has already liked you, you won't get your hopes up for girls in the stack who may or may not be active(Tinder hides profiles inactive more than 2 weeks).

If you are successful at Tinder I think its worth it to stay on Gold after your first month. I do. The passport feature is useful for traveling, as you can arrange meetups with girls before you even get there. This is just my opinion though. If you aren't successful, paying for Gold won't make you successful. The best way I can describe Tinder Gold is that its a valet for an already successful Tinder user, it just makes it easier. Seeing who has already liked you might sound like something you don't really need or need to pay for, and while I agree, its actually been more beneficial than I realized.


Regardless of whether or not you subscribe to Gold, I think everyone needs to try a boost at least once. A boost puts you at the top of the stack for everyone in your area for 30 minutes. This means you will be seen by everyone who logs on during that time. I get matches regardless but each time I boost it seems like I get a lot more. Boosts help because after a while, unless your ELO score is good, you fall farther and farther down the stacks of other girls Tinder stacks, and you won't be seen. Instead all she will see are high ELO accounts and new accounts getting their noob boost. Women swipe a lot less profiles than men do(since the attractive ones will match with almost everyone they swipe right on) so its vital to make sure you are showing up at the top of stacks.

Timing is important with boosts. From my experience, Wednesday at 7:15pm is the best time to use it. This is ideal because its before the weekend before plans are set. If you use it on Friday or Saturday girls already have plans.

You get a free boost every month if you have gold, otherwise its $4 each.


Obvious bot accounts are obvious. Their pictures are often cropped and low quality but of really attractive women in generic poses/settings. Their bios are often empty or extremely generic. And they often only have either 1, 3 or 4 pictures exactly. They are pretty easy to spot.

Instagram/Snapchat Follower Farmers, Sugar Daddy Seekers and Venmo Scams

You'll see girls on here who are clearly only doing it to rope in instagram/snapchat followers, or find a sugar daddy, or get money sent to them via Venmo.

Here is my take on them. Yes, that is what they are doing. However, for the right guy, they will throw that away. Use the Brad Pitt test here. If she saw Brad Pitt had matched with her on Tinder, you think she would just try to use him for Venmo money or to get an Instagram follow out of him? No way.

If you think you are attractive enough, go for it anyway. Generally these girls obviously fishing for Instagram Followers or Venmo money should be massive red flags automatically disqualifying them from anything above plate material, but its possible to bust through the massive shit test. I've done it multiple times.

Step 11 - You've matched, now what?

So you have matched. Ideally with multiple women.

As successful as I am at this, I would still say only about 10% of women message me first(and many women who message you first will be bots if you were unable to detect them prior to swiping). You are going to have to do the initiation.

Fuck that shit about message timing, when to message her, etc. "If I message her too soon after matching she will think I am desperate!" No. Just message her when you feel like it.

The key to an opener is to be different, set the frame, use her name, and play on her emotions. I've watched girls use tinder before and pretty much every guy either opens them with a boring "Hey" or "Hi", or uses some really stupid cheesy pick up or sexual opener that is just awkward. None of that is different, none of it sets the frame in the guy's court, and none of it plays on her emotions in a positive way.

It has to be organic. Review her profile and pictures, and try to craft a message based on that. Don't compliment her physically(i.e. you're hot or you're cute), don't get sexual in the first message, or use a dumb pick up line.

Here is an example I used recently that worked. It was a profile of a nurse who said she worked the overnight shift and lets say her name was Anna.

"Anna, are you a Waffle House or IHOP kind of girl? Since I am guessing those are the 2 places I would have to choose from to take you with that schedule..."

See what I did here? I did a lot of things. I set the frame as one that I will be taking her out(not necessarily to Waffle House or IHOP). I crafted the message organically based on her profile, and I made her laugh with the Waffle House/IHOP reference since those places are pretty sketchy in the AM hours, but people secretly love those places. I also gave her a reason to respond.

Here is another example of a girl who had a picture of her bowling, lets say her name was Tina:

"Tina, if we go on a bowling date, I am not letting you use the bumpers, so you better learn how to bowl without them"

Again, I set the frame from the first message to one that I would be taking her out without asking her out. I teased her about her bowling skills and gave her a reason to respond(to defend her bowling skills). We did go on a bowling date when all was said and done.

It's a numbers game

You are going to have girls who don't respond. You are going to have girls who unmatch. You are going to have girls who take forever to respond. You are going to have girls who are just not into it even if they respond. It's really a numbers game. The more girls you open, the better chances you have at least one who goes through with it all. Don't get hung up on any one girl. Assume every girl you match with will ghost you. Assume every girl you talk to will eventually stop. Assume every girl who gives you her number and you set up a date/meet with will flake. Don't get invested. Persistence is the key.

I think this is where most guys get discouraged and come here to write their OMG TINDER IS SHIT posts. They have shitty pics, and only match with 1 or 2 girls, have no abundance, and when it doesn't work out with those 1 or 2 girls whether they don't respond, stop responding, flake, etc. they act like Tinder is shit and all women on there are shit. You have to remain persistent. Keep in mind the better you look, the better your pics are, the more attractive you are and better your text game is, the less likely she will flake, and the more likely she will respond and follow through. I can attest to that. Remember that girls have dozens of matches and are only going to bother with their best ones.

Step 12 - When to ask for her number/ask her out?

So you have had a successful opener and started a conversation. When do you escalate to get her number or arrange a date/meet up?

Every girl is different, from what I have learned, so there is no one size fits all plan. Some girls want more rapport and chit chat before they are comfortable giving you their number or setting up a date. Others require less. Regardless, you need to at least try to get a number or set up a date in 5-6 messages or less. Remember, she has dozens of matches, with guys who are farther along the process than you probably are, so you have to shit or get off the pot eventually. Plus she will get bored if you don't go after what you want.

The best way to do it is to have the conversation naturally flow into you asking for her number or asking her out. Here is an example that I used, of a girl who actually messaged me first:

Her: Hey! How was your weekend?

Me: Pretty good. You?

Her: Nothing too exciting lol. Lots of work.

Me: Well we need to fix the nothing too exciting part. Let's go get some drinks, when are you free

See how I took her response and turned it into escalation. You already have the IOI, otherwise you wouldn't have matched, so why waste time? I did it on message #2. You need to look for the opening to make it flow naturally to asking for her number or asking her out. Sometimes that takes longer than 2 messages, but you get the idea. You don't want to go too early though, then you just come across as a player/needy/desperate.

The worst thing you can do is just make her your pen pal and ask dozens of interview style questions without escalating. She is not an idiot, she knows what you are there for. If after 5-6 messages or so you still haven't found the opening to ask for her number or ask her out, just do it.

Step 13 - So you've got her number and set up a date, now what?

Try to set up a date within 1-3 days of getting her number/asking her out. Anything longer she will probably flake. The only times I have successfully set up dates longer in advance is when she was out of town.

From there you need to shut the fuck up and not contact her until the day of the date, where you confirm plans. Don't text her, don't become her penpal. All you can do at this point is hurt yourself.

If she initiates with you and texts you, respond to be polite, but space out your responses. I'm talking, take 12+ hours to respond. I had a girl who was all over me from the time we set up a date to the time we met up, always texting me. I didn't want to be rude so I would respond, and I thought that since she was the one initiating, I was fine. Wrong. We go out and then after the date she says she "wasn't feeling a connection". You'll never live up to the standard you set by texting her. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Resist the urge to text her until you meet up.

If she flakes, she flakes. It happens. Don't become invested. If she is truly interested she will propose a counter time. Just because she cancels doesn't mean she isn't interested. I had one cancel on me and I thought it was over and I needed to move on but she rescheduled with me.

Does this approach also work with Bumble?

Yes. The difference is that she will open you, so you can take her opener and play with it. That doesn't mean its any easier or harder.

My problem with Bumble is that the userbase is smaller, and there are so many inactive profiles on there. Unlike Tinder, Bumble doesn't remove/hide profiles that are inactive. I was using Bumble and saw the profile of a girl I work with who was married a year ago. She said she hasn't logged on there since 2015.

Also you will match with girls on Bumble and they still won't message you. Again, girls get tons of matches so they will only message the cream of the crop. Become the cream.

The upside to Bumble is that the quality of girls are higher.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

  • Tinder/Bumble/Online Dating is 99% pictures. They have to be outstanding. Not good. Not great. Oustanding. How much you want to invest in getting outstanding pictures is ultimately up to you because it takes effort and time and in some cases money. Just remember. If you aren't getting matches, its your pictures. End of discussion. It's not Tinder screwing you over, its not shallow women only looking for validation, its not women having you outside of their Tinder preference settings, its not anything but your shitty ass pictures.

  • Your approach if you are looking for hookups and your approach if you are looking for something more long term has to be different.

  • It really is a numbers game. I know this sounds cliche but the more matches you get the more your odds are in favor of at least one working out. You get more matches by having good pictures and utilizing features like boost. Tinder might seem like a lost cause if you only get 5 matches and none of them work out. But if you have 50 or 500 matches you're going to have matches that work out, its the law of averages.

  • Don't get your hopes up on any one individual girl until you actually meet up with her in person. From there you apply TRP to prevent the onset of oneitis.

  • Don't match with a girl unless you are 100% certain she is who she is in her pictures. Read her entire bio and look at all her pics before matching to find red flags.

  • Tinder Gold in my opinion is useful if you are already successful at Tinder, but it won't turn you from unsuccessful to successful.

  • I've seen false advice given around TRP that the opener doesn't matter, if she is attracted to you she is attracted. While attraction does matter the most, you still have to give her a reason to engage with you, invoke her emotions and set the frame.

  • Shit or get off the pot. She has dozens of matches and dozens of guys doing the same thing you are doing. If you don't make a move, another guy will. Build some short rapport and then find an opening to ask for her number/ask her out.

  • There is inevitably going to be someone in the comment section saying you don't need Tinder or dating apps, all you need is day/night game, Tinder is shit. What if I told you, you could do both? mindblown.gif

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Title How to really succeed at Tinder (not just another Tinder guide, this is a detailed Tinder roadmap)
Author mallardcove
Upvotes 2128
Comments 253
Date 01 June 2018 05:09 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]MormonRedPill816 points817 points  (6 children) | Copy

Submit this to IGN as a game walkthrough

[–]yallapapi114 points115 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was reading it and felt like plagarizing it into an ebook to sell on Amazon.

EDIT: Because it's really fucking good. Great job OP

[–]pizzarulzz25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome, love you man for this

[–]FearGarbhArMait71 points72 points  (0 children) | Copy

excellent post i want to save this.

[–]crunchyRocks39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP did a fantastic job highlighting how to become a better Tinder user without the smuggery or bias. This is one of the highest quality posts if seen on Reddit.

I’ve used Tinder for many years and though about 75% on here I’ve come to learn over time and experience, there’s still some to learn here. Much thanks!

To pepper w some of my experiences, it helps to know what you want out of Tinder. Personally I’ve met friends, lovers, FWB, and even networked on here. When I first started I did get a bit jaded from the ghosting and such, but I made sure not to do that to others. Treat others w genuine care and respect regardless of purpose (ONS or LTR) and people will notice. You’ll stand out after the first encounter.

[–]1LowCreddit221 points222 points  (41 children) | Copy

I find the people who don't like Tinder aren't lifting enough.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 146 points147 points  (26 children) | Copy

I've found an overlap between those who hate on Tinder and those who use it, to those who are MGTOW.

If you are having success with Tinder, you aren't going to slam it and hate on it.

If you are having success with women and doing it right, you aren't going to go MGTOW.

The logical conclusion is that the anti-Tinder crowd are those who suck at it, and the MGTOW crowd are those who suck with women.

[–]michaelkc0342 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are spending your most precious resource (time) to take shirtless drone pics. Think about that. I’ll give props for the click bots...minus the try hard perfect pics.

While there are men who are MGTOW because they can’t laid, there are many more who do it because pussy is not the end all.

I’ll be damned if I’m going to those lengths for the vag.

Hate on MGTOW all you want, but for many men the amount of effort is simply not worth their time.

Health, wealth, happiness. Pussy is not the foundation of any of those. Often it’s a negative correlation (in my experience).

Your life though.

[–]Rian_Stone78 points79 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck, I like this guy, has a way with words

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's very present, you can tell. Everything just flows out of him. Great state to be in.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ah, classic “MGTOW just can’t get laid” line. For red pill guys you seem to use very feminine shaming lines.

I would say MGTOW guys can get laid easy and can be good with women, they usually make more money than the average redpiller but are on the older end of the spectrum and less inclined to put up with these hoops. I mean, look at this fucking guide. It's very good but it's not that crazy that a man would not want to do any of this just for pussy.

There is also a defined line of MGTOW that is ‘can’t get laid because bad with women’ and ‘definitely can and does get laid but will put in less effort than an average RPer”.

[–]Tenth_1023 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. You can be good with women, and do no want to do with them anymore. MGTOW is seen as something shameful here, where the real MGTOW is a deliberate choice to have more time for oneself and not chasing pussy after pussy. Il all depends of your frame.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Redpill and MGTOW have several commonalities, but one of them is a chunk of the user base which is frustrated posers. There are TRP adherents who abide by the sexual strategy and get laid while improving themselves, and there are MGTOW adherents who legitimately said “fuck it” and stopped gaming women. There are also anger-phase TRP posters who either think some pathetic ‘k-close’ is field report worthy or don’t get it and say it doesn’t work, as well as a collection of incels who say they’re MGTOW because it sounds better.

The posers give either ideology a bad name and often get stereotyped as the character of the ideology itself.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It seems worth it to set up a tinder profile that does 90% of the work for you, forever. Its like setting up a fish net. The other 10% is: control the frame, use the "organic opener" he talks about, give her good emotions, and use her name. And when you meet up, do the same thing.

[–]meaningintragedy29 points30 points  (6 children) | Copy

Your post is nice but this comment is ignorant. For many men, MGTOW means no LTR or marriage, it doesn't mean not fucking women.
Always amazed by some guys here having such a basic and binary view of MGTOW.

Try being open minded and turn down the "I am superior than you because I get women" attitude.

[–]blacklightsleaze24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

So whats the difference between MGTOW the TRP then? Most guys here will avoid LTR and marriage and aim for spinning plates.

[–]guerilla_munk20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

Indeed. All the effort you put into your frame, game and chasing puss, you could put in yourself, your career and making money. Want a great fuck, hire an escort for the night. You're paying them to leave. For me, it took so much time and effort to chase these non professional chameleons. But if you like day/night game and gets you results, so be it. Also, don't assume all MGTOW are monks and suck with women. I'm still considered chad material among all these soy boy faggots in the acamedia environment where I work and study. I have milfs and student workers flirt with me all day and could be stacking plates on the side. But would rather stack chips, achieve self actualization, travel internationally and fuck hotter women who are desperate for a greencard. Whatever I do won't come haunt me and immigration buffers them from ever seeing me again. That being said, it is a good guide for tinder. I recommend taking a professional picture in a suit. When I did that, I started matching with models and prettier gold diggers that I just pumped and dumped. If you put your mind to it, you can be a truly magnificent bastard.

[–]TheReformist944 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can focus on other shit precisely because you know women already fancy you.

[–]riot21002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love the post, just like the above comment it is extremely logic driven and uses said logic to lay out all of the steps in an efficient manner. Your comment (and post) is literally bullshit free.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Mallardcove, Good guide. I have 1500 matches because of gym, professional camera and lightroom. How do i filter the dating types from the hookups? How do i stop the girls from wanting more. A strategy for better hookups? I have enough matches and time but most want to date..

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Its a hell of a lot easier to use Tinder for hookups than for dating. It's not that difficult, just do what you do and then ghost them after.

[–]84throwaway21 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I've got the opposite problem. I do well on tinder, average a new hookup each month but most girls seem to be looking for exactly that - just a hookup. How would you recommend changing my strategy to get girls who want to date too? I've got a topless photo (natural setting) as my profile photo - would you remove it entirely or just not have it as the 1st picture?

I'm not against hookups but am kinda sick of it and would like something more long-term, but perhaps my profile is incongruent with that. Thanks.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Generally ages 18-21 are hookup range

Ages 23-26 are dating range

Raise age ranges and vet the profiles you are looking at before swiping

[–]Proto_Sigma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tinder probably isn't the best hunting ground if that's what you're after. It's infamous for being more or less openly geared to casual hookups. Try Day Game or Social Circle Game if you're looking for something more serious, expand your options.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

stop using a hook-up app? Go out and game girls at a hobby that is surrounded by girls and guys?

[–]joner88811 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I lift 5 Times a week . Have been for 2.5 years . Still i dont like tinder. You only get matches based on your pics , and if you are like me and never take any selfies and sucks at taking photos you are gonna have a hard time .

Maybe taking som pics with a DSLR camera would be good.

[–]Denver_Luv4 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I find the people who don't like Tinder aren't lifting enough.

Also, "Anyone doing any online dating needs to learn basic photography skills." I'm serious. It is not very hard to achieve basic competence. A basic used camera like a Sony A6000 costs $400, a Sony NEX-6 or 7 is less. There is no reason for guy who spends any amount of effort online dating to not boost his photo game.

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Dont forget about basic photoshop skills

Bulge those biceps and widen those shoulders

[–]Proto_Sigma1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Photoshop won't replace the gym. Why pretend to bulge them when you can do it for real?

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

like the gym will reduce hip size and shoulder width a massive amount

pretending like everyone will look like a mens fitness model after 2-3 years in the gym and hard nutritional work is nonsense

[–]Proto_Sigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're overweight it may very well reduce hip size, and if you develop your back, especially your lats and your traps, your shoulders will appear broader. You can certainly make your arms more prominent and narrow your waist, and body fat percentage has a heavy influence on facial aesthetics as well.

Besides, what do you think is the better long term strategy; moving from a real 5 to a real 8 or staying at a 5 but photoshopping all your pictures so you can catfish people into thinking you're a 10?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Model? maybe not. Fit and probably pretty attractive? Easy to do in a year if you genuinely put in the effort.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don’t like meeting people from the internet Edit: and I also find that I would always have to be putting in the effort to message just to not end up actually meeting up. Now the RP side of me says to just not give a shit and let them put in the effort, but I find no one else does

[–]warthundersfw0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My problem is I need good pictures but I haven’t bothered yet until I get to 15% body fat or below

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep droppin your % dude, its well worth the effort.

[–]BillyBones80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cant tell if meta mene joke or serious.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My biggest problem with Tinder is that many women just use it as an ego boost to see how many right swipes they can get. I've gotten a shitload of matches despite being picky yet only 10-20% of them actually end up responding

[–]semislicktires242 points243 points  (46 children) | Copy

too much work just to date women under your league.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 65 points66 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's really not a lot of work.

You should already be lifting, dressing well, eating right, staying in shape, know how to flirt and communicate via text.

The only effort here that is added is taking pictures. So you take a few hours out of a few day to go take some good pictures. Oh no, so much effort.

[–]WinstonMcFail0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Great write up man. My question is in regards to the drone.. I might actually get one. But won't all of your pics have you holding a drone remote controller? Seems a little unnatural

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

No you just put it down so its out of the frame

[–]SunlightandChaos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can set a 10 sec countdown timer. Get your shot framing, click the button, move the controller out of the frame and enjoy

[–]Kindredvodka162 points163 points  (19 children) | Copy

To be honest. I agree. Its not even the fact that the poster below said its not too much work. Just from a simple cost/benefit the shit is bananas on tinder. I have no problem getting matches numbers but heres the thing, so many girls use this just for validation. You checked out the competition and its shitty, so what? Tinder amplifies the beta problem because it cuts out the middle man of the billy beta having to put his balls on the chopping block and approach in person, now he just swipes right on EVERY GIRL. It also amplifies how expensive pussy is in society right now. (Maybe that bubble will never pop)

I matched with a girl one time who was a solid 6 who decided to buy Tinder Gold for shits n giggles. She had, no shit, 3000 right swipes in her queue. How long would you have to work to become a TOP MALE TO GET 3,000 SWIPES? Think about that, all the trouble you just put into your profile and body to get a right swipe from Single Mom Becky and she has 3,000 men waiting in the wings.

So now you're saying "well so what she wont fuck all those guys, be that chad that she fucks!" Okay and you do. But before that in Becky's situation she just boned an 8 who was bored and wanted some take out puss and she was an easy lay but in her mind and ego/hamster that shit gets eaten up and now she is a SOLID 10 in her head. Now the next dude who comes along (you) will have to try even harder with all the bullshit pickup lines and witty comments while she just sits there spilling her starbucks unicorn crappe all over herself deciding if she wants to respond or not. Sure guys get laid off of tinder and sure some people don't try enough but all this work for a MOST LIKELY (for the guys who put enough work into this bullshit) a one digit percentage success rate?

Just because you put so much work into this objectively shitty app isn't going to flip the fact that it is a buyers market on its head. I just find I could be doing better things with my life like real life pickup instead of fighting the current of thousands of billy betas giving these girls constant dopamine shots directly to her brain.

[–]blacklightsleaze22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fuck only average girls on tinder and never ever fucked a hot one, because hot girls already have a lot of options IRL and they are tinder for the lulz or for instagram followers. If someone is fucking hot girls on tinder he must with Chadish.

[–]guerilla_munk40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy

Worded magnificently Sir. I came to this conclusion years ago. It led to me becoming an international monger. Believe it or not, professional whores generally take better care of themselves and if you are upfront with them, all business. I've had better sex with them than any party girl, date or random hookup. I tell them I need to cum 4 times, and they take care of me. Most regular will want to throw in the towel after you bust once or twice.

[–]jonivaio15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

In what time span you are able to cum 4 times?

[–]guerilla_munk6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Through out the late night over 3 -4 hours. On average, I have sex with most chicks 2-3 times at night, and then once or twice in the morning before I kick them out.

[–]Koryphae_9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I kinda agree, real men should not even use Tinder since it is just contributing to the problem of overall flaws with current SMP.

[–]Narcissist4565 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was so well written. Hit the nail right on the head.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

If your offline game is shit, what other option do you have?

[–]AllgBeamtenrecht23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

work on you offline game maybe?

[–]Kindredvodka5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If your offline game is shit then online game probably won't improve your chances. Because now you have to capture her attention and compete with ALL of her prospects within a one hundred mile radius..

[–]MotiMorphosys2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't feel like this is a solid argument because you could make it for cold approach pickup or any other type of game. Because of our culture and the red pill stuff that we all know, any average looking girl has a lineup of dudes waiting to Bone her. Tinder is no different. I've landed many a date with girls that would be considered "out of my league" on Tinder and bumble. And yeah, it did take me a while to come through a ton of pictures to cherry-pick the best ones. But I'd say it was worth it.

[–]sunbro29 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I think he makes a good point that Tinder amplifies the value disparity in the dating world for men and women. In real life, you have to approach women. This takes a certain amount of confidence and skill and physical attractiveness to pull off. On Tinder, the celibate masses only need swipe their screen to "approach" and notify a girl of their interest. In real life, an extremely small percentage of them will actually walk up and introduce themselves.

[–]MotiMorphosys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, but it's still not reason enough to abandon it all together.

[–]chrisname2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get what you're saying but IMO if you're doing TRP correctly you should have everything you need to go on tinder and get matches, with the possible exception of the pictures. Think about it: you should already be lifting, have a life filled with fun adventures, have nice clothes, plenty of friends, and the social savvy to write a decent profile and messages. There shouldn't be anything new to learn or do just for tinder. You will probably have the pictures already too - you should have holiday pictures and pictures of you doing cool things for your own sake, so you can look back on a life well lived when you're old.

All you have to do is upload the 6 best pictures and swipe for 5 minutes a day. Then it's just business as usual when a girl bites.

[–]o_Oz[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tinder: Turning toads into Kardashians.

[–]SpaceEnthusiast24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Too much work? Which part exactly? Reading this? Lifting, looking better, buying better clothes, taking some good photos?

Most of this stuff will improve your SMV in daygame/nightgame too! So you're not really losing anything by doing this. I have some photos that I've put not only on my Tinder profile but also on my facebook profile and my instagram page. And all of this gets more attention towards me, bringing more women into my world. So even the photos are not useless.

[–]bannedfromWTFmod13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

This right here.

Im 34 and 1.5 year ago I got out of a 4 year ltr & smoked weed all the time and wondered why I couldn't get anywhere with girls IRL since I was use to being in a relationship and not having to use game anymore to get what I wanted.

TRP + Dating apps and I'm fucking on the regular, not exactly the prime tail I use to get but whatever. Better than nothing and all the failed attempts are just speeding me up to how the game is now.

Point is, I'm much happier, almost drug/substance free w/ no help , no addiction to porn and I'm 10000x more confident now because before I couldn't even hold eye contact with my last SO & now I dress my best always, walk tall and own the conversations I engage in while doing little to no work.

[–]Greek-God-Brody6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. You should do them as part of your identity. Dress well by default, not just for Tinder photos. Take the pictures for your social media presence first, and Tinder second.

[–]good_guy_submitter14 points15 points  (16 children) | Copy

too much work

Said no great man ever. However being great isnt the goal here. Smashing as much puss as possible is.

[–]semislicktires39 points40 points  (12 children) | Copy

As a 7 (face) and an 8 (body) i'd rather masturbate than smash a 5. I have some self respect and standards. I'd rather meet a 7 in real life and put work into her.

[–]guerilla_munk27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. I have seen so many my fellow studs fuck some below average chick, only to get her knocked up and have to spend the rest of his life with her in some way. I only fuck 7 and ups. Would rather masturbate than fuck a ugly girl that does not take care of herself.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

What's wrong with 5 and 6? They aren't ugly. Just okay, and cute

[–]atifhere17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing wrong. Just some self respect. If a man have gone through so much trouble of self improvement and taking actions to become an 8, then what did the 5 and 6 do to deserve even his slightest attention? An 8 is called an 8 because he can be exponentially more pickier than the people below 8. By being less picky, he is ruining his worth.

And sex is more about validation than a releasing cum method. If a man knows he can easily get a 5 or 6 if he wants to, then he is already validated, and the risks and efforts of doing sex with her will be outweighing the pleasure he will be getting.

[–]semislicktires9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing wrong with their looks, its their mindset. A 5 on Tinder thinks differently than a 5 on the street. The Tinder 5 gets hundreds of Likes on tinder from thirsty betas, therefore starts thinking shes not a 5 anymore.

[–]7mile_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not everyone has the same standards. Some people will smash just about anything. Some want girls to the same or above their league. It's just a matter of preference

[–]peepin_like 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Glad I’m not the only one. I’ve put so much effort into bettering myself like learning how to dress well and getting in shape that I don’t want to waste it all on some random 5 that would rather stuff her face with mac&cheese than go to the gym.

[–]TheRealBlueBadger 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Bro I smash 8s, 9s and 10s from tinder. Your lack of success doesn't mean it isn't possible.

[–]semislicktires1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I never said it's impossible, it's just highly unlikely. It also depends on where you live. I'm talking to this girl on Tinder and she is average at best (she has nice blue eyes though), she has "99+ Likes" and matched with over 200 people (i guess she swipes everyone right in order to get to know everyone), and that's just in 2 weeks of using Tinder. Women hotter than her are probably drowning in likes and have to weed out tons of men. It might take a while before they reach my profile. I have a well written bio and good pictures showing my face, whole body and a shirtless picture with a 6pack, and i'm still at 3+ likes with Tinder's algorhitm refusing to show me these women for a few days now, and many times, it's not showing anyone (i don't think i'm penalized because i don't swipe like a maniac and my swipe right rate is around 50%)

Day game is just so much more time efficient. At this pace it'll take me months on Tinder.

[–]TheRealBlueBadger 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

In a city of half a million I get 4-5 matches a day (sitting over 750 since January), and I swipe right on maybe 20% of people, probably less. Talking to the ones I want to meet takes a few minutes a day. I don't have to go anywhere, I can do it during breaks where I'd be fucking around anyway, and most of the conversation I genuinely enjoy because I just have fun.

Maybe all your right swiping is lowering your ELO (probably), maybe you're not as attractive as you think to your target demographic (also quite probable, fuck all dudes are super attractive AND super interesting from their profile), maybe your text chat game isn't up to speed (once you've got the match this is everything), but I've used tinder for the last 5 years whenever I'm single and never had trouble meeting very attractive woman in that time. My objectively attractive flatmate hasn't had nearly the same luck despite a quality profile, and I put that down to his chat game being shit and coming off as 'attractive but basic'.

For a lot of, probably most people, day game is going to be easier, but tinder can be much more efficient to others of us. Especially if you have kinks, or something else that you want to select for, like BDSM, which you can allude to in your profile to attract attention from the right people. You can't do that in day game, it's straight numbers on that front in the wild.

[–]semislicktires0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Would you mind showing a pic of yourself? I can show you my profile and its pics.

[–]newName5434560 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Plenty of great guys said this.

Isn't it a maxim here not just to work hard but also to work smart?

[–]Store_Front_Door27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy


Absolutely agree. All it took was one good picture of me holding a dog on a leash with forearm and bicep veins popping off to pop off my matches.

[–]tmv463 points64 points  (3 children) | Copy

This might be the best tinder guide yet. Bravo my dude 👏

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not trying to brag, but I just wanted it to be thorough

I've seen Tinder guides and strategy posted on TRP subs before. I think all of them have good points, but all of them have some things I disagree with, and for the most part are not thorough enough.

You can't run any kind of game without getting matches. To get matches you need to have good pictures. Really needed to emphasize how important quality pictures are. Most guides don't touch on this enough.

I've successfully used Tinder in 4 different cities throughout the United States, have a lot of experience with it. Just going off what works and what doesn't. I almost swore off Tinder like everyone else at first. I knew I had good enough looks but was getting no matches. I thought it was because Tinder was screwing me and the girls on it were shallow/only looking for valiadation but in reality its because my pictures sucked. Bad lighting, bad poses, bad quality, bad settings, bad locations, bad facial expressions, bad aesthetics, bad framing, bad editing, you name it. I uploaded 6 good quality pictures and it was like I activated some kind of cheat code. I couldn't keep up with the matches.

Tinder is a lot more fun when you are having to curate your loads of matches yourself rather than getting a match or two and hoping/praying something comes of it.

[–]TheReformist940 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cheers thanks for this. I will give it a try. Are you actually using DSLR? do the pics not come off a bit try hard? I got some mates,they use phone pics,good ones maybe downloaded off their Instagrams,but maybe they are good looking enough to not have to use a proper camera.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I use a drone for my pictures

[–]pizzarulzz15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

This much hard work just to get girls

[–]yotheman15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

In Mexico City, Tinder is like an horror movie, all are HB0, fat and very ugly... Someone will be very lucky if can swipe to right one time in 10K. In the street you will find mostly the same monsters you get on Tinder but a bit better than Tinder.

[–]greenlittleman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really don't understand your standpoint because for me it is enough to stroll for 20 minutes on the main street of my city to find 10-20 of 7-9/10 girls. Maybe this is because I live in Russia? But most likely you just have strange standards. From what I see among young 16-22 years old girls only about 25-35% are ugly or too fat and others are more or less cute.

[–]paprikk3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man, what?

Mexico City popped my Tinder cherry. I never used it before, then I heard this american dude who was kinda ugly talking about how he had a Tinder date, and I decided to give it a go.

It was incredible. I had like 20+ matches with cute girls. Ended up going out with this sexy little 20yo the whole 2 weeks I was there. Damn, now I miss her. Latinas are the best.

Anyway, that aside, may I ask your race? I'm white and blonde and I can't imagine doing poorly in CDMX with that ethnicity.

[–]RyanFire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your blonde hair made you a rarity in mexico, and much more valuable in their eyes, studies have shown this effect to be true regardless of your 'SMV' or good looks.

My word of advice? Abuse your gift. Keep traveling to mexico for more lays and enjoy it.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

ELO doesn’t matter if you live in a smaller city where you’ll eventually get to everyone anyway.

[–]3r2s4A4q25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

imagine if you put this much effort into your career

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Step 1 - Be handsome Step 2 - Don't be ugly

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not hard to accomplish step 2 with even minimal effort imo. Step 1 is where you see the difference between minimal effort and loads of it.

[–]Andgelyo29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy

Didn’t read the whole thing, you may or may have said this, but tinder is also heavily dependent on location. You take someone who lifts, takes care of themselves, and has abs, and with a nice haircut and put them in middle of nowhere bumblefuck and they would slay. Put them in New York City where literally every dude is fresh and they would struggle.

[–]MotiMorphosys14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Actually, if you put anyone in a hick-town, you will notice that the quality of girls there plummets. They're all fat. I live in a more hick area of Florida and took a trip to LA earlier this year. You wouldn't believe how the demographic changed and the quality of the matches went up. Tinder is gold in big cities.

[–]Andgelyo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not necessarily true, I guess it’s all relative. When I lived in rural and suburban Massachusetts the girls were a lot prettier and feminine than where I was from (NY/NJ). Back here, girls are stuck up, fat, and or post wall.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

In that case NYC has a shit ton options to go real offline, no need to use Tinder there.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lol are you insane? You have it literally backwards. Tinder doesn’t work at all in low density areas. It’s gold in cities.

[–]Andgelyo4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not my experience at all dude. The quality of girls were a lot higher in MA. NYC has quantity, you could easily bang hundreds of whales here if you wanted. The higher value women here just want attention.

[–]CalfReddit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Probably means your ELO is shit..

[–]Elendili38 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

What to open on girls with no bio and nothing interesting in their photos to comment on?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably a bot profile. Abundance, move onto other matches

[–]SpaceEnthusiast15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, that's simply not true. I've seen a lot of attractive girls on there with simple photos and no description. A lot of them I've also seen IRL at clubs and whatnot.

[–]uniqueusernamex1128 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

i can respect the hustle, but the effort for some thrid grade pussy is ridiculous. i would rather just focus on self improvement..

[–]Avant-Bard 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Incredible guide. The most important takeaway is that pics at 99.9% of what's important. Not just your pics - but your NUMBER ONE pic. Lots of girls don't even swipe.

This month, I had a tough time getting matches. I was playing around with my bio, tweaking filters, nothing was working. Then, I found a fairly recent picture of me in a tuxedo, looking lean, chilled, happy - boom, matches went up 5x. This weekend, I'm getting my buddy to take a couple of shots of me with the iPhone portrait mode.

Get an amazing top pic. Get some great secondary pics. Then arrange a date within 3 days, and three lines of chat. Done.

One question OP - given I've probably tanked by score over the past month as I got a little desperate - would it be worth deleting and restarting my Tinder account with the popular pic?

[–]KingSol248 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

90% of Tinder success is having good attractive photos. After that you just need to have some basic text game and set up a meet.

[–]Epinhs13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

TLDR: you eat like shit, you’re not lifting enough, you’re not as special as you Fucking think you are. STFU, HTFU AND TRAIN.

I never knew how bad I was fucking up until I had one of my girls show me hers. I thought I was smashing and then started seeing the competition for the range I was working in and I realized I wasn’t lifting enough and eating like shit even compared to how I was. Doubled down on Ketogains and lifting harder. Began focusing on that as an elevated priority. The girl I was hanging with was still all about me but she had even better prospects in waves. Gotta be better to be different than the “standard” wave.

[–]Paladin290321 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy

I’ll give you guys a better strategy.....grow some fucking BALLS and ask women out in person.

You wanna know why modern girls are such bitchy, cunty, egotistical maniacs?? Because of apps like Tinder. That’s why.

It’s the simple law of supply and demand. They are able to act like bitches because they know their value is so unbelievably high — even though it’s artificially inflated.

You guys using these apps only makes it harder for yourselves in the long run. You’re the enablers.

I mean this in the best way possible, you guys really need to re-evaluate your lives if it’s taking this much work to get women on an app.

It’s easier taking the bar exam than putting all this shit into action. And the saddest part about this statement is, I’m not even slightly kidding.

Women have priced themselves out of the market. The sooner you guys recognize that, get some self-control, and stop playing their games and jumping through their hoops, the sooner a market correction can begin.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 30 points31 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's almost like you can do both.

You guys are so damn predictable. You are acting like you can only do one of dating apps or night/day game, you can't possibly do both.

Oh wait, your an MGTOW regular. Makes total sense. You can't get women period, so you are shitting on guys who do like a typical MGTOW loser does. Incel MGTOW morons have really shit up this sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That paladin dude is insane. He sent me a rambling PM telling to stop breeding and he wouldn’t listen to me because I don’t get upvotes lol. I mean you can just tell from the writing, he really might have some mental issues.

[–]Paladin29032 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And not enough balls to reply directly? Surprising. I swear, this sub has truly gone to shit.

Just a bunch of pansy-ass, cowardly, chicken shit beta males, that like to fling shit and don’t expect anything in return.

Maybe you should clue the audience in as to why I said that to you. Of course, you conveniently leave that out.

[–]Paladin2903 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Lol. The stereotype of MGTOW is hilarious. You can feel free to think whatever makes your story believable in your own mind.

The best part is, it doesn’t effect me one bit, because it isn’t true. So yea, I’m a Virgin loser who never had a whiff of pussy. Lol. Make you feel better?

Eventually you’ll be enlightened enough to finally realize the game is rigged, and you’re the enabler of the game.

[–]rainbowstalin1234 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Please stop. Its getting old at this point and you just look stupid.

and no, you don't need to reply to this as i'll ignore it. Not worth it to converse with retards.

If only you put this much effort into lifting and eating right...

[–]Paladin2903 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

and no, you don't need to reply to this as i'll ignore it. Not worth it to converse with retards.

LOL. What a mental midget. You gonna cry, princess? Can’t take the heat, huh? You know why? Because you know you’re full of shit.

All you do is make assumptions, and try to skew things to fit your narrative.

Ive debated with some genuinely stupid people, but you’re definitely in the top 5. Lol.

Run along now and change your tampon, junior.

[–]MotiMorphosys7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Found the guy who didn't read the last line.

[–]Paladin29030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read it all. All 9,000 pages. Thanks. Found the guy who doesn’t understand the main point of what I’m saying.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The disk sizing ends or I'm going on a rampage.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are cunty because of an app that came out like 5 years ago?

[–]willowhawk6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've experienced girls who we've probably messaged back and forth about 10 messages but over the course of a week or two and ended up going out/smashing.

What's your take on that? Why would they still be interested over a week when they get so many matches, they where all attractive with one being very attractive

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Boredom. You were her best option

[–]thewrecker84 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yoy know a chick who got married last year. Its still on Bumble abd claims she hasn't been on there since 2015.... And you believe her?

Why wouldn't she just delete her pics?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bumble purposely doesn't delete inactive accounts so they can inflate their membership counts.

[–]thewrecker82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So why wouldn't she pull as much of her identity off it herself? How hard is it to go to her profile and click on a few "x" to delete her puctures.

[–]Vicimin108 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm kind of at the crossroads where I can not decide whether this approach is smart or pathetic. Fake posing for tinder is like competing and winning in the paralympics for the mentally challenged. On one hand yay for you, on the other it seems like there are more dignified ways to get sex.

[–]zilti1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd definitely go with "pathetic".

[–]Austish8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

I mean, OP isn't wrong. It's just a bunch of muts who are mostly unsucessesful, and have some BORING ass pickup lines and pictures. I match with maybe 5 girls a day and out of those 5, 2 are bots, 2 are 6/10s at best, and 1 of them is hard 7. Problem is, after 2 messages with these girls, they just quit messaging. I'm not putting in all this bullshit, time-consuming work to fight against some plain ass kids trying to get laid. When I go on tinder (which isn't too often) I'll use it for a max of 15 mins and then that's it. I'm not going to put hours of work just to match with some decent looking girl, when I can just go out and get with plenty more women, who aren't all in their little tinder bubble (making it much easier, quicker and to the point) and these women irl just shit on these tinder girls in comparison to looks and personality. What I'm saying is tinder is a validation site for some okay-at-best looking women who think they are the next Cardi B just because a bunch of people jerked off to their profile pictures. I'm not a huge fan of tinder, I use it for shits and giggles, but if I'm trying to actually get laid, I'm going the quicker and easier route; Bars, Diners, Sports Events, etc. Girls might be amazing and all that shit, but once they hop on tinder they only want 1 thing: Attention/Valadation. I've gotten laid off of tinder maybe 3 times in the past 3 years. When I'm away from tinder and doing shit in real life, I've gotten laid 6 times in the past 3 years. Idk about you guys, but I'd rather get serious about relationships where I can actually get laid with them at the end in real life instead of a one-sided, boring conversation on Tinder.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Problem is, after 2 messages with these girls, they just quit messaging.

You weren't their top option anymore. Period. Welcome to the red pill reality.

As far as your soapboxing, you realize you can do both Tinder AND day/night game? WOW! Groundbreaking stuff, huh?

[–]Austish4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao, that's the whole point of the post. And WOW? NO shit? There's a night and day choice for tinder? Dude, re read the post, because it's clear you didn't see my point and are just trying to show off in front of other redditors. If you are looking to develop positive relationships and get laid, it takes a hell of a lot less effort in the real world than on tinder. Or, you can keep using tinder, I don't care. I'm just informing people that Tinder is not really worth all your time and money

[–]spiceb0ss2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

getting laid 6 times in 3 years woah we got a red pill god here

[–]Austish0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

6 times in 3 years with beautiful women that are probably not in my league and I didnt even have to try to get their attention? Yeah, I'd say that isnt too bad. Also, that isnt in total. That's just the specific scenarios I put out there in the OP. In total I've probably had over 19-25 in the past three years, not that even matters, but I guess that answers your backwards argument. Especially since unlike half of you on here, I'm not trying to get intimate with someone who looks like she ate pound cakes all her life, has no positive attitudes and is just all around not a decent person. Im not actively even looking for women, but when the day comes it isnt going to be through some slut on tinder. I'm not gonna keep feeding your ass bait, but I'll say that tinder ain't worth shit. Keep up the good work on there though pal, surely you'll eventually find someone who thinks you're capable enough to be cheated on constantly.

[–]spiceb0ss0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol u sound mad af, I fully agree with u btw dont hate babe

[–]Austish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wouldn't say I'm mad, just disappointed that so many people put soo much faith in this garbage app.

[–]NewHerePlsDontBully4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you want an easy lay the best pic to have is you on a horse. You will get endless girls swiping right on you.

The downside is that 99% of them will be completely nuts (thats just the way horse girls are), but im a firm believer that every dude should smash a batshit crazy chick at least once.

[–]thestefman70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

tbh one of my pics is me slamming a miller lite while riding on a horse and chicks love it

[–]t-away32 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just wanna know what made you want to take the time to write all you secretly work for tinder?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its called downtime at work and being bored to death

[–]t-away30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, truth. Had times at my old job like that

[–]Temptationn5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

another way to get easy lays is to display your SMV via instagram and messaging them on there. Almost every girl has their insta in there and most of the time I don’t match with the girls I want to smash so I’ll message on insta, they get to see all my photos and we usually end up meeting the same night

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Instagram has to be bullet proof though. Not saying you are wrong.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make a guide about that bro

[–]1TRUEKING8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

i would like a guide on gaining clout on instagram

[–]abyoosthroughaweigh[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I’m going to Scandinavia for a year. Should I make an Instagram? I’ve got a DSLR and I plan on getting an iPhone X for the photo quality.

[–]Temptationn2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah do it up! travel photos are the best it shows you’re not boring

[–]abyoosthroughaweigh[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t know how to take pics without looking like a faggot. Any advice?

Also, what’s exciting about travel pics? It’s just a plane ride to another country. Anyone can do it, just takes some money and a suitcase.

[–]hijox772 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I’m considering getting a tinder account when I turn 18 (in a few months). I have a pretty ripped body from lifting, nothing crazy and I plan to be even more ripped when I sign up. As someone still in high school is this a good approach I can take to getting laid or should I go for more traditional methods?

[–]Zoltiel4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I hear it's harder if you're a young guy since women tend to go for men older than them.

[–]PerplexingPegasus_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

18-22 on tinder is a bunch of weird memes and Instagram follower vultures.

The traditional route is better since I’m in that age bracket and most of these women barely have a personality and if you have one you’ll be doing better than 90% of socially awkward men.

[–]royer442 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Very well done walkthrough. Though I'm still wondering why during specific months i get 30 matches and in other months i get like no matches at all with the exact same pics.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You aren't being put at the top of stacks

[–]troutmask962 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, I have questions.

I'm newish on Tinder and have been disappointed with my matches. Now, I'm not Brad Pitt but I think I'm a solid 7/10 and have concluded that my pics suck (which they kinda do). I'm planning to train hard to bulk up and lose ten pounds and then contract with a local starving photographer who specializes in social media photos, which is gonna cost me an easy hundred bucks.

My question is this: how does my ELO score that I've accumulated with all my shitty pics effect my presence once I launch with all my new pics? Do gals who have previously swiped left on me not see "the new me", and should I therefore deactivate and reactivate my account once I'm ready for launch to refresh my ELO stature?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

The tinder bashing makes me think that average n count of the guys on TRP might be a bit lower than we’re led to believe, because I don’t really know anyone that can’t get laid on tinder.

[–]zilti3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Back when I was reasonably fit, I was on Tinder for almost two years and got zero matches with real women. Ok I actually had 6, but 4 unmatched right away and two just never wrote back. No, my pics didn't suck. Not worth the hassle. Especially not with the algorithm changes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saved. I've never tried online dating but this is an excellent guide

[–]JeweliusCaesar3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a good guide, but like others have said, Tinder has just become too much work.

It took a turn for the worst when women started to co-opt it and slowly changed it from a straight up hook up app to something they could use secure commitment and accumulate beta orbiters. They changed the whole frame dynamic of what it was supposed to be.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. I've been actively using it for over a year, got laid off of it like 15 times (which is relatively decent), but still, all of them were lower SMV or hot but batshit insane.

I've come to the conclusion that most of the women on Tinder are there because something isn't working out right in real life (where they also have endless options).

The same goes for other dating apps, however they're less bloated with bots or attention whores.

[–]RedGunnera1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for this guide. I really liked how specific you were in what pictures were required and how they should be taken, as that is clearly the most important skill in using tinder.

[–]VillagersUnite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad you explained this in great detail actually. Though j probably won't use it as i despise taking pictures. Always have. But its good to know that on those apps that's all they care about really.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

ok... right now on tinder.. i have 2 matches and they arent talking to me... I got these matches AGES go.

I am going to try to give this guy ago. give it a week and see what happens...

I will post results later... ( Please note: expect results to be 0. I'm not good looking, though I do lift I'm not at the right bf % yet. ( though i have lost 6kgs in the past like month)

[–]vicious_armbar1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Would you recommend resetting your profile to get the noob boost instead of paying for a tinder boost that only lasts 30 mins?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think the boosts are better than the noob boosts. Noob boosts put you toward the top, not at the top. Boosts literally put you at #1 in every girl's stack in the area.

[–]steppenwolfofwallst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just a technical question here. Does boost put you in front of every woman in the area, or is it impacted by age settings. For example, if I'm in my late 30s, will I really show up in the stacks of a 21 year old woman whose age range is maxed at 29? I have a feeling boost won't put me in those stacks. A super like, however, would, correct?

[–]RabiesBarbarian 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I did alright by my standards with these

2 grainy selfies of a scruffy young lad,about 50 matches in a month or so. Would you say getting a srs cam/tripod and taking some moody pics in a nearby ruined monastery would help my Tinder game? I wouldn’t want to invest if I didn’t think high quality pics would do much for me lol.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Rabies, you have the face for it. Do this, you will thank me 100x times.

Buy a halo ringlight for about €5-10 from aliexpress or whatever. Perfect lighting, everywhere.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

From what I can tell, you mount it on a desk? I wouldn’t see it working for outdoor pics. It looks like a really good buy just for the one or two selfies I’ll have though, cheers for the info.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

No bro, it's a ringlight clip for your phone. Just a few bucks. I assume you are using snapchat too? Works wonders. Here is the difference for selfies with an example of a women.

You got about the same look as me, try this and watch your matches reach hundreds in no time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That does seem very useful actually, will make a note of it.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can still get high quality pics with a top of the line cell phone these days. You just have to know what you are doing and have it on a tripod or someone behind the camera.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m using an iPhone 5 atm, I’ll see if I can scrape up some cash for a better one. It’s all very exciting isn’t it, getting the aesthetics sorted out, gym, fashion, camera etc; it’s a great goal to set myself.

[–]dumbkidaccount1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I Was doing good until step 11 loll

[–]dix2long1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

One easy way I've found to be picky with your swipes: if they use those stupid Snapchat filters as their first picture. So she's caked in makeup AND a warping filter? And that's the first thing I see? If she doesn't like the way she looks, why should I?

[–]Izakthegreat231 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So just to clarify, you have to use an actual camera? It can’t be a iPhone camera? (I don’t know much about camera quality)

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

iPhone Cameras are fine if you know how to get the most out of them, but if you have the means its not a bad idea to go with a better camera

[–]1nowboarding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any tips or resources about getting the most out of them?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU!!!! it's been 2 days and i have 20 matches, several likes and 1 superlike and I've only done 1/10 of the things you've posted here. Its almost like the walkthrough to a game, except instead of winning virtual nothing-ness, you win real pussy. Thank you.

[–]Odimorsus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not a fan of this sub generally but I am glad you made this. I couldn't agree more about people shitting on tinder. It's not the apps fault if your bio and photos are not up to scratch and have no success. I met my wifey on there and had a great time with it before that too. There are a number of things that can make or break a profile.

[–]lagerea1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm going to throw out the usual advice for young guys. Get a job at a bar or club, I've been in the game for 12 years, nickels to dimes flirt with me all night to this day. So maybe your not the best looking guy in the world but in that environment, your value is obvious which to girl brain equals situation utility. It's not hard to go from the guy she flirts with to feel safe to the guy she doesn't feel safe without.

[–]llwilderll1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In response to step 12, I've found that I have an +80% rate when I give MY number to the girl rather than ask for hers. After I pick up on her IOI's or when it feels natural, I'll shoot her a message like "Hey ______, you should text me. ###". Works wonders.

Great post! Well spoken and thorough. Keep it up

[–]neo10neo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone says Tinder is only for hooking up: while you get a nice number of matches, I've made an account with model and/or high quality pics- and chicks still ignore (definitely less than 10% attempts are successful at getting her straight over), go cold and block you (this was going fairly direct- trying to get to come over without explicitly mentioning sex by around the 5th message the latest). I can't imagine what it's like for average-looking guys and/or guys with no game.
While I've had chicks come over fresh direct and make it easy- there have even been girls who come straight over, nothing happens and you never see them again. Many women on are on these apps for validation.

[–]wes_hightow3r4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for the summary. Time to up my picture game and start screening before the swipe rather than after. FWIW, currently I'm just using one selfie that accentuates my broad shoulders (clothed) where I'm smiling big with "Tall (6'7"), Dark (sense of humor) and Handsome (if my mother is to be trusted)" as the only line in my bio. Have f-closed twice in about 4 months with minimal effort just following RP advice, not crushing it but starting to crack the code. A chubby 4 I could have plated, but why, and a hot little asian mom (meh) that at least worked out/had a tight ass that I tried to plate and failed. The 4 picked up a $100+ bar tab we racked up getting smashed on whiskey, so that was fun. For shits and giggles I switched my picture to me flexing shirtless in a mirror BUT the picture was taken by my only plate (so not really a plate but is treated as such), also visible in the picture. Bio: "Doing just fine w/out ya." It got matches...mostly very large AA women. Not my thing. I'm not jacked at all but easily top 20% in build, bald and 38. Been reading this stuff about a year, and actually working it for 6 months. Figured I'd finally say something.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why are you even bothering to swipe right on such low value women?

[–]wes_hightow3r2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was just swiping right on everything and screening after. Going to try your approach from here on out. Just banged out the 4 for the novelty of it and to practice game. I'm not a total Chad yet.

[–]munashe134 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I share the same views with you, but I always feel like - to what end would I be willing to do all of this for.

I mean, I like the company of women just as much as the next guy - but DAMN all of this so off-putting.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Red Pill: Everything in life worth having takes effort.

[–]munashe133 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I supposed it depends on whether or not you view the effort of trying to get women through Tinder as worth it.

Like I said, I agree with you and what you said and I would definitely take the pro-active approach you've stated towards using dating apps - but I guess I'm content living my life atm without jumping through all of these hoops.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To some extent I agree with you, yes.

[–]totallya_russianbot3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ya know, banging some random hoe who is also banging a bunch of other random fags, doesn't make you "red pilled", just makes you another cuck on the cuck-carousel.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess we're all cucks then.

[–]sebass12231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s no difference from going to the bar, you think they get less dick there?

[–]dannnnyyyyyyy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have to disagree I only have like 3 pics all shirtless and get hundreds of matches & I don’t even message most.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never said shirtless pics don't get matches. I am saying that there are some women out there who won't swipe them no matter what, and it works better for hookups vs. something a bit more long term.

[–]JagsDontCare 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Tinder is for faggots. Go Hunt like you’re supposed to.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh wow look another Incel MGTOW loser posting here. Go back to your incel sub, errr, I mean, MGTOW sub and leave this sub to guys actually trying to get women.

[–]JagsDontCare-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im Chad as fuck. I hunt. I don't sit and swipe and swipe and swipe.

ONLY FEMALES are that attached to their phone. Nice Try tho.

[–]circlingldn6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

cope, if you were getting hot girls off tinder, you wouldnt be saying that lol

[–]JagsDontCare2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My last girlfriend was a Warriors cheerleader. You don't know shit.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem31 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I have approximately 456 matches in my queue. What would you recommend I do? I generally just swiped right massively and used boost and only pursued the ones that would respond to my overt sexual advance. thoughts?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Find the 10 matches you are most interested in and open all of them. Take it from there. Don't be overtly sexual at the beginning.

This is where Tinder Gold comes into play for me. I pick the 5 best out of those who have already liked me and open them. That way I can move at my own pace and not match with a girl until I am ready to open them. If none of the 5 work out, I then pick the next best, and then the next best, until I get something concrete.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem31 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree. I've left some in the queue until I knew I had time that day or night to pursue them. I've been so busy that they just accumulate, and I was smart enough not to open them...

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Tinder is all about momentum. If you match with someone and let it sit there for a while, she will have moved onto other guys by the time you do something.

That is why I like gold, I can get the ball rolling on my schedule.

[–]Winterpreter1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is quite amusing I'll give you that but who the hell needs a guide to get Tinder thots? Used the app during a month with 1 shit pic on tinder, got laid 3 times cuz of it, they were thots I didn't want to meet again, stopped using any social/dating apps

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why does it matter? I've seen a bunch of posts here lately about guys hating on Tinder because its not working for them. I wrote a guide on what you need to do to succeed. If after having read this guide you are still failing then you can criticize it all you want but chances are you're just ugly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

All of this just to get girls? Is it worth it?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

You clowns are acting like you have to finish an Ironman Triathalon

You should already be lifting, eating well, staying in shape, knowing how to talk to women, etc.

The only effort that is additional here is getting 6 good pictures. That's it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Clowns? Are you autistic Just asking a normal question Your masochism is showing Swearing to be sweared at You probably get off to that

[–]inlovewithyourmother0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Great post. I've been successful with tinder and bumble as well and I agree with almost everything. The main thing I do differently is that I just swipe right on everyone. It's not worth the time and effort to look at each profile and swipe. Plus tinder is perfect for swiping quickly. It's buttery smooth compared to bumble. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say 99 percent of guys just swipe right on everyone anyway. I filter out the hotties after I match.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

The problem with doing this is you are tanking your ELO score. Because each time you swipe right on an ugly, your ELO score goes down since you were willing to swipe right on an ugly.

A lower ELO score means less chances for you to be shown to the more attractive women. Women don't swipe nearly as much as men do. Since the attractive ones are going to match on almost everyone they swipe right on anyway, she isn't going to go through as many profiles. Meaning, its more important to try to show up at the top of her stack.

The order you are shown profiles is not random.

[–]inlovewithyourmother4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right but my point is because almost all guys swipe right anyway, it's harder for tinder to accurately rate which girls are hot in the first place. I'm just playing the numbers game. And even if I come up as lower rated and I'm not shown to the 9s and 10s as often, I'm still okay banging 7s and 8s since they're more realistic matches for me anyway and that's just being real.

[–]Omnibrad6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Swiping right on the toilet = maximize time.

Pick and choose which ones to swipe = maximize Tinder performance.

Tinder is a nice tool for me, but I don’t need to maximize the tool. The tool saves me time. Spending too much time on it feels like putting the cart before the horse.

[–]vicious_armbar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The Drone Approach. This is personally the approach I have used over the past year to amazing results.

The Rise Of The Narcissicopter

[–]unnecessarilycurses0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The drone idea sounds really interesting. I've never used one before and have a few questions.

So do you like get it to hover and take pictures while you put the the dorky looking controller out of the frame? Can you set it to circle/follow you do to moving shots?

What kind of shots/locations in particular work well with the drone that make it worth the extra cost over a tripod? Like are you doing overhead shots a lot? Shots at the edge of a ledge?

If I have an entry level DSLR (actually a newer more compact mirrorless type) would it make more sense to get a drone that I can attach my existing camera to rather than paying for one with another camera?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I put the controller out of the frame.

I usually just have it hover in a location, set the interval timer, take some pics and then review the pictures, if I like it I take more in the same spot, if not I move it to another angle

I've done the tripod and drone approach, the best part about the drone for me is being able to see in real time how the picture is framed on my phone, even though I have a phone remote controller for my phone, its a pain to have to move the tripod. Moving the drone is basically like moving a tripod but so much easier.

I don't recommend buying a drone unless you will get more out of it than just taking pictures of yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol TLDR be goodlooking, use a variety of good pictures, don't be too sleazy, make use of momentum.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Honnest question. I have a fucked up , hideous face. I'm currently hitting the gym . I'm not overweight anymore but I want to know : if I get lean, will I get some action despite my ugly face or is there no hope? I will get lean anyway but I would like to know because I've been on a dry spell for about 4 years and a half now.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Just keep your expectations in check

I think I am an 8 at worst, and I logged onto Tinder this morning and saw 156 likes in my Tinder Gold like queue. Not one of the 156 were attractive. I am talking not even a 5+.

Tinder is a buyers market and the women are the buyers.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Dude at BEST I am a 3. I have no standarts. Give me anything I will take it. The problem is how do I GET anything?

[–]rainbowstalin12341 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

raise yourself up to a 7. lift more, eat less, eat better, do more cardio.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Yep its in the process,went from overweight to normal already. But I guess thag even if I reach my natty limit it will only get me to a 4 at best. My question is hot body and ugly face, is it enough to smash from time to time?

[–]Brewjo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you are having a lot of problems with your face, it might be time to take some serious steps- some of those are relatively easy/cheap.

A couple of visits to a skin Doctor and some specail cream could clear up most bad skin conditions.

In the middle ground, you might benefit from some dental work to whiten/straighten teeth.

Worse case, you might need to go under the knife to get your nose fixed up or something similar.

Myself, as I'm on my path have had to deal with baldness- which isn't that bad but I found I had a few keratosis (similar to a mole but skin color) over my forhead and dome. DID NOT LOOK GOOD.

I was like, oh well... nothing to do about it just suck it up.

Later on I was getting a skin cancer check (yahoo being in Australia) Doc said I'm fine, but the bumps on my dome could one day flip and go Cancerous...

SO a few shots of local into them and 2 minutes work with a Laser they where all smoked. Now my head looks damn fine like Darth Vader just hand polished the Death Star.

You're only doomed if you consent to being doomed.

[–]rainbowstalin12340 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think you sell yourself short. If you get to your natty limit. you'll be AT LEAST a 7. Even if you're "ugly" dress well on top of that and you'll be an 8. no you wont be super model status but those guys are 9.5s

There are like what 2% of men who have actually hit their natty limit? you do that and you'll swim in it.

[–]DrainTheMuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

amazing tinder walkthrough!!

[–]mandok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice going OP.

PMed you for some help with my profile.

[–]tropzumuch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ditch that ‘lol’ bro You gonna fuck 2 bitches more

Nice post though

[–]ITHOUGHTYOUMENTWEAST0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can you reset your tinder Elo? I have decent pics and I'm good looking enough, but I swipe right on everyone because I'm lazy. Is there a way to reset it or do I have to make another account?

[–]yesaleska0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I found my bf of two years on tinder lol

[–]Jack4au0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Hey Instert first name here, What's up? 😊" almost always gets a response. Then I say "lets chill insert time", and if they cant I move it around 3 times then jump ship to the next girl if they flake every time. Lift, take some decent pictures, and have animals in the pictures and you'll be good.

[–]paprikk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So I live in Brazil, and you know what profile pic was the most successful for me? Literally a picture of my US passport.

I swear the other pics I tried as profile pics were good too, at least on paper. One is me in nola which even has a US flag in the background. Another one is me at the navy pier with chicago in the background. A third is me up on a peak at the smoky mountains. Yet another one is me in front of an aztec pyramid in mexico. All of those failed.

If you asked me a year ago I would have thought anyone who makes that their profile pic comes off as a massive tool. But apparently it works.

[–]poonis80 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

More about wrist watches please. What’s a nice watch for a decent price?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll have a style/fashion guide out tomorrow

[–]Dartleather0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great write up on Elo but I don't understand the benefits of having a 'high rated' profile? What does this do for you?

[–]jonybolt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

opening line after match: "free for coffee?"

just get to the point when messaging. If she wants you she'll say yes...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow this guy brought it down to science. LOL, good post!

[–]ckatsuki130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is actually great. Thank you very much.

[–]lemarcfj0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

While I agree with most of this, you are failing to mention the backend/algorithmic factors that certainly plays a part in people's "success" with these apps. It's definitely about pictures and attractiveness and shit, but I'm fairly certain that their are also manipulative, algorithmically factors in determining the quality and/or quantity matches people get on these apps. I wrote about this recently at length - Death by Data: How the Algorithm Killed Online Dating.

[–]o_Oz[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So I ended up looking at photos of shirtless men for an hour. Turns out I’m gay now. YAAAAAAAASSSSSSS MAMA 🤷‍♀️

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Genius. Do you think this applies well on other dating apps too?

[–]Alpha_Jedi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a top tier post. Well done sir. Cheers.

[–]Controversial_Madlad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Tinder Gold is just a waste of money and putting this amount of effort in an online dating profile is a waste of time.

You'd be better off going to 6 different places in your nice clothes without your stupid tripod and just talk to women.

I'm by no means against Tinder, use it, but only if you don't care about it and view it as an extra. Putting this much effort on a few pixels of yourself is just not worth it.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

Tinder Gold is just a waste of money

To each his own. I like it because it cuts down on the amount of time I spend on there. I already know who is interested so I can just take it from there instead of swiping and praying. $15 a month is like the price of 2 cocktails at a bar running day game.

putting this amount of effort in an online dating profile is a waste of time.

So spending a couple Saturdays to take some pictures which has led to dozens and dozens of dates/lays for me "is a waste of time not worth the investment". Spoken like someone who sucks at Tinder and is taking it out on those who are successful. I'd say the return on investment for me has been pretty damn good.

You'd be better off going to 6 different places in your nice clothes without your stupid tripod and just talk to women.

It's almost like you can do both, you know.

Putting this much effort on a few pixels of yourself is just not worth it.

It's not worth it from your perspective because you suck at it and had no Tinder success. So you are trying to act above it all as a rejection buffer to excuse the fact you didn't get any action from it.

[–]Controversial_Madlad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

That's quite some assumptions you're making there of me, thanks for that but I'd rather introduce myself if I feel like doing so.

Dozens and dozens of dates/lays you say, impressive. Yet I'm sure that this is never going to work for the vast majority on here. Women view 85% of men on dating apps as below average. Not to speak of the amount of mental value they put on "that one guy from Tinder" which inevitably leads to girls flaking after investing your time and wonderful crafted openers-based-on-pictures.

Also I've experienced that over half of the girls on Tinder are insecure as shit which probably wound them up there in the first place, I myself do not enjoy the presence of insecure girls, but I guess that's up to your personal taste.

And please save the "for only 2 cocktails you get a month of Gold" talk, I'd almost assume you're here to advertise.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yet I'm sure that this is never going to work for the vast majority on here. Women view 85% of men on dating apps as below average.

Isn't that the entire point of TRP? To improve yourself to get into the top 10-20% of men? Yeah, it may not work if you are a 5/10 even after maxing yourself out, but this is a defeatist attitude "it won't work for a majority of the guys here".

Not to speak of the amount of mental value they put on "that one guy from Tinder" which inevitably leads to more girls flaking after investing your time and wonderful crafted openers-based-on-pictures.

It's true but its overstated. Some girls are on there for validation only without any intent to meet up with the guys they match with, but the number is overstated. I've found the sweet spot of women aged 23-25 on Tinder/Bumble. College Graduates. Old enough to not be immature, smart enough to have graduated college, young enough to not be desperate yet. This is the age range where I have the most success. Tinder makes you have at least a 4 year age range, so I set it to 21-26. Younger girls on Tinder are more fickle and I don't really bother. But the college educated 23-25 year old is more likely to know what she is doing and know the realities and intricacies of online dating, and therefore, less likely to fall into "that one guy from Tinder" mindset.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tinder is a waste of time for me, it is so easy and feels unnatural so it takes the fun out of it. Deleted it after the first day

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't believe you. If it was so easy, you would be using it to your advantage.

"Oh man, I am matching with all these women and having sex with all these women on Tinder. This is no fun, I am going to walk away from all that. I'd rather it be hard." - your logic

But if you are being serious, and would rather make gaming and having sex with women some kind of ultra difficult and stressful chore that you have to jump through all kinds of hoops do, because its "more fun that way", be my guest. Myself, I'd rather it be as easy and stress-free as possible.

Don't get me wrong, I do day game and night game myself. But it takes a lot more effort and a lot more luck. With Tinder all the effort comes on the front end. Getting 6 good pictures is all that you really need to expend effort on doing. From there, if you did it right, its easy. Night game the effort comes in real time.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Having sex with women outside of tinder is not hard for me either anymore, and I enjoy it more. I have high quality plates and am high status in my social circle and attend many parties, there is simply no need or even time I have to fill up with matches on tinder. You are free to not believe me

[–]Kortrak0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting post to read, thanks.

There is one thing I am curious about - regarding height.

I am 1.7m (5’7) and unsure if I should put that into my bio since for women size matters obviously. I myself have no problem with my height since I’m working out and have other qualities.

Yet I am interested; Would you put the height into the bio as a number or just get 1-2 pics where it’s clear to see that I am not insanely tall?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, you are too short to put your height unfortunately

[–]Kortrak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that makes sense - I was just looking for a way to let them know I‘m not overly tall beforehand because there’s often this annoying reaction on first dates. Basic shittest stuff

[–]richardhead66660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why would you want to compete for buying some overentitled thot her 5th dinner for the week for the hopes that she will let you have fun with her Arby’s beef and cheddar. Hint she won’t! I’ll just leave you with this, wether you think you can or you can’t, herpes happens to everyone! Lol just kidding this guides really good actually!!

[–]jonpe870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here what I do always:

Me: Do you kiss that good?

She: hahaha.. maybe, you have to taste to know/ No one complains / hahaha I don't know

Me: Let's see.. give me your number I will teach you some poker and you can gamble that kiss / Give me your number / I'm very picky girl.. give me your number we will work it out

My profile: looking for new friends

I just go full boldness, so me and her know from the first second where we are going

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God tier post. There's lots of tinder theory trying to figure it out but the picture game red pill is a real breakthrough.

[–]Swistak230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There’s a lot of good things going on here, thanks for the write up.

Also I live in the San Diego county, I’ve got a nice camera and can hook it up with pics, buy me a beer.

[–]SavvyMillennial0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should charge for this kind of knowledge honestly. So many passionate people here.

[–]manwithoutwire-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just got back from a major city from a metal show. Make friends with the alphaest guys (the bodybuilders who are having the most fun fyi) in the room ( really easy btw) and you'll be having to turn down pussy it will be all around you with the cream of the crop. You could probably bag a 6 or 7 with no effort at all. I lol at these tinder guides, I suppose there's a time and a place for sly nerds to try and get some. Just get in the mosh pit and involved with the crowd and you'll be making friends on easy mode.

Another cheat code: You are now the Punisher. I'm not even kidding, walk around like you're Jonny f'ing Bernthal. It's literally turning my life around. Study some of his work if you want definition of no fucks given macho man.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I knew my post would be flooded with guys saying how stupid Tinder is, but damn. If you think its stupid, don't comment.

[–]CalfReddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seems like lots of guys here are just too lazy to put in the effort.

[–]Gulpandchoke-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Very detailed post!

My criticism: "needing" to wear a watch in each photo. Although some guys are into jewellery or more specifically watches, it screams beta too often imo. Unless your schedule is hectic af, it's a feminine tactic (legit but not for me) or at best, gold digger bait.

Watches are the last justifiable form of jewellery for men. I know too many clueless guys who think a big shiny watch is going to get them laid. The only people I've seen appreciate them are rich old guys comparing dick size in saunas and girls whose providers wear them. Jewellery is culturally expected on girls so I'm more lenient.

I don't give a shit about a girls opinion, or yours for that matter, if they're / you're going to think any less of me for not wearing a watch.

I'm so ready for the cognitive dissonance fueled hate. If you wear other jewelery too then fair enough, you cuck. Some guys rock it Tho, three chains minimum (DJ KHALED)

[–]Paladin29032 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Did a guy wearing a watch molest you or something? I wear a nice watch because I like it. I don’t give a flying fuck what some clam thinks of it.

[–]zilti 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Stopped reading after point 0, because it's already bullshit.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

And how exactly is is bullshit? How does your shitpost comment add anything to the discussion at hand? Either explain why its bullshit, or fuck off.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll enlighten u: why would an average girl swipe on a supper quality photo of a ripped model posing fashion clothed man(let) who is 4-6/10 if she has so many bad quality pics of 7+/10 chads to choose from? Tell me...

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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