A few weeks ago I was standing on an underground escalator and did that thing where I turn around to watch all the bored people behind me as I slowly rise backwards into the air and feel like I’m in some kind of dystopian movie cutscene.
As I turn I’m greeted by the face an older woman. She’s standing right behind me on the step below, and notices me turn around; looks a bit puzzled about it. Of course it’s kind of a weird thing to do to turn around on an escalator, I don’t blame her, and I can’t just ignore her presence as if she’s not there, we’re standing uncomfortably face to face. Hey don’t blame me she broke the escalator etiquette of leaving one step in-between each person. We have those rules for a reason man.
Okay so she’s not that old, like middle age, but I’m young so she’s out my range for women I can comfortably hit on. I can tell that back in her time she must have been a real looker, wall hasn’t smashed her too hard yet, nice hair and makeup, but I can see the tiredness of a long office day in her eyes. It’s kind of awkward though and I’ll look like more of a sperg if I don’t say something.
So I say “Hi”.
She’s very suspicious of me. Of course, I got that whole fuckboy thing going on.
“Hello” she says.
“You’re very pretty” I say.
Her eyes light up, then her mouth follows, into a big, toothy smile.
“Um, thank you” she stammers out, blushing. She seems very surprised yet pleased by this. Her face looks younger and softer.
“That’s all I wanted to say-bye”.
I walk up the remainder of the escalator.
She laughs hard and then says “bye” too.
As I hop off I sneak a glance behind me and she’s still beaming like a happy child, smiling to herself.
When I got home I had this tremendous sense of satisfaction with myself, a wellbeing that followed me into a pleasant dream and a happy morning. It felt great.
So I did it again.
It was an underground train, and a girl hopped on in what seemed to be a cosplay. Had a blue wig on and the pleated schoolgirl skirt and the zettai ryouki; had she been older I would have been all over that shit but actually probably not because I still have mad anxiety with hitting on girls on public transport… everyone’s watching and can hear everything!
But I remembered what happened the day before… what if I just… complimented her…. and didn’t hit on her explicitly?
The idea that I’m not actually after anything and there’s no possibility of rejection at the end because I’m not gonna request anything off her was absolutely freeing… so I spoke to her as the train stopped into the next station.
“Hey, I like your cosplay”
She blushes. “Um, thanks”
“Who’s it supposed to be?”
She told me an anime that I didn’t know, and that she was going to a photoshoot, stuttering the whole time.
It’s cute when you can make girls malfunction like that.
I was going to say something else but then the train started moving again and the Jubilee line wails like the grinding gears and billowing winds of hell itself. So we waited, awkwardly, in silence, while people around snuck glances at us. We reach the next stop.
“Well, have fun at your photoshoot” I say, as I hop off. This stop was actually mine.
“Thanks” she says back, looking kind of upset I was leaving.
Once again, easy peasy. I was kinda bummed I didn’t get her number but she was also a bit too young and that wasn’t the intention anyway. I just wanted to make her happy. I bet her photoshoot went much nicer and her smiles were much brighter in the pictures.
And it didn’t cost me anything. In fact, I probably got just as much out of it as she did.
Looking back, if I set out with the intention of actually closing on her, I know for a fact I would have hamstered myself into pussying out. “Not in front of all these people” I would have said. “She’ll think I’m creepy”, I would have said.
But this… this was practice…this was benign, no ulterior motives. And in fact I just proved to myself that it actually would have gone well and she wouldn’t have gone super bitch-mode and girls aren’t that mean and strangers aren’t that scary.
I remember whenever my ex-LTR would get hit on by Incels and pickup artists she would come home beaming and tell me about it immediately. We’d laugh about their cringey lines together but I could tell she loved it because it was the best compliment she received all day.
Women love compliments. They feeeeeeed off of them. They live for them. They want them all the time.
But compliments from friends and family come in thick, and they can be disingenuous, or repetitive. Does she really look pretty in that dress or is her boyfriend just trying to get head later?
But a compliment from a stranger? That’s a real compliment. There can be no other reason for it except that it’s genuine. Getting hit on or stared at by random dudes is a huge life-giver to a lot of women… because it tells them that they are objectively attractive, attractive enough to meet the criteria of strangers on the outside world, attractive enough that a dude literally broke social convention just to tell her “that dress really suits you”.
It makes her day. Quite literally. It will bring a skip to her step and she’ll go to bed thinking about it, a small highlight of an otherwise monotonous life.
So why not do it? Why not bring some happiness into the life of a stranger, and yourself in the process? It feels good to make others feel good.
And it’s good practice, especially for those of you who are still having trouble with cold approaching. Go cold approach a girl and tell her you like her shoes, or she’s just so pretty you had to say something, or “hey, sorry I can’t stop staring at you, you’re beautiful”… and then just leave.
Over time, after the first few nervous failures, you’ll get used to just approaching random girls, and you’ll find out that a lot of them, more than you would expect, are very kind and take it very well.
Eventually you can learn to extend these into actual conversations, and then a number, and then a date, and then a marathon fuck session.
But it all starts with having the balls to compliment a stranger.
So let’s go over the benefits:
1) Kills Approach Anxiety
Immunises you to talking to strangers. You get used it and realise it’s not that bad.
2) You realise most women are kind
Teaches you the majority of women respond positively to strangers speaking to them and aren’t rude about it.
3) You realise rejection isn’t that bad
Some will be bitchy, but who cares, you weren’t trying to pick her up… and then you’ll be fine and you didn’t die after… hmm, maybe this rejection thing is kind of okay. Maybe some people are just rude or having a bad day and it reflects nothing on me…
Plus then you get to reverse her once you leave and think like “ha, you were bitchy but I was actually just being nice how does that feel huh?” Good shit.
4) Abundance mentality
Do it once a day, or whenever you feel like it, and you’ll quickly realise there’s a huge amount of very pretty girls everywhere and maybe your one-itis isn’t the only beautiful woman to ever exist.
5) You did a good thing
And most importantly, it spreads happiness and good intentions without asking for anything in return; yet you will reap the rewards in Karma, almost instantly.
So try it, for me, and yourself. Make her day.
“I can live off a good compliment for two months.”
~ Mark Twain
Not if you're a woman.
Women need compliments only slightly less urgently than they need food. Women need attention (of any kind) only slightly less urgently than they need air.
True. And they need the "right" compliments. Women have abundance of attention from strangers, irrelevant people constantly, and they already have ton of immaterial validation and compliments in the form of facebook/instagram likes and they constantly get feedback on every little move they make. OP makes good points here, but hes a bit wrong on the idea that women love compliments; they only love it so long as it is from a high SMV man, if youre low SMV and she responds nicely it will likely be out of pity or just out of kindness, but solipsistic women will rarely leave nice feedback and will not care about that attention, they get a lot. Especially from the night clubs they attend weekly.
That's bs though. Women get compliments all the time. Men have this urge to compliment women and tell them how great they look, but a pretty girl will get 10 of these comments a day. It's nothing for her. If you want to "make her day" sure you can go ahead say something nice and feel like a hero, maybe she did actually need a compliment, who knows ... but most of the times she'll just internally roll her eyes and think to herself: Wow ... another one ... getting bored.
If you want to start a relationship with a woman it's an entirely different story. Treat her like you'd treat a friend, just slightly more rude. Women are grown children and they are permanently horny. Exerting dominance makes them wet. Some fuccboi approaching them being like "hey you look really nice today" - desert.
This post is nothing but a niceguy being a nice guy and telling other people about what a nice guy he is. Sure, I bet he's a nice guy, but will he get laid?
Asking the right questions
Also, key thing here... no expected outcome, so you didnt project that you were expecting something.
Nobody likes a salesman trying to make contact with them when were just walking around a store... because they want something we have (our time and money) and we know it.
You weren't coming off as a salesman. Outcome independent.
Note: Compliments are good when you say it from a place of power, not looking for approval.
Good job, simple but immensely effective
This is key. How you say something rather than what you say is what’s important
Compliments on things besides looks work on anyone too. I like the cosplay compliment, but other things like shoes, hair, makeup, shoes, a scarf, earrings, necklace, shoes, belts, outfit, and did I mention shoes? Women put a shit ton of thought into those things and when you notice them, it is non-threatening and appeals to WHO they are instead of WHAT they are. Feels more heartfelt, authentic, and like THEY have been noticed.
Agree fully. Compliment choices, not physical beauty.
I get called handsome, hot, wtfever enough now to grasp why it’s the worst thing in the world to say. Low effort on the person who tells it to you. It’s a legit turnoff. You simply don’t appreciate it after the first couple times.
Well, looks can be complimented in some cases. If she has an athletic body, it is ok to say "Hi, I see you are into fitness. What do you prefer?". This way you are complimenting not her looks as such, but the hard work she's putting into it. Btw, if you lift (and you should), fitness and sport could be a good starting topic in this case.
So let me ask you this. You can say it from a place of power in a meaningless way. What if you do have intentions of fucking her? Does the same still go?
What I mean is this- if you’re a high smv male like heath, can you compliment her from a place of power and then proceed to put the Mack down on her? As in- “I just wanted to tell you your look beautiful” and follow up with some meaningless small talk and then go for the kill?
The goal here is to spread beauty into the world. An ulterior motive will show in your demeanor.
You can and should freely share your value with the world particularly when it costs you nothing to do so.
Jesus Christ. YES.
If you are a positive & valuable man in this world, you won’t even have to “close.” It’ll happen on its own.
"I didn't cheat on you Billy, it just happend."
Compliments should be given from the frame of magnanimous King who expects or needs nothing in return.
Otherwise the compliment has no value.
Women are drowning in adulation from soyslobs who wrongly think this will turn them on
This point is worth explicitly stating for guys who aren’t at this point.
Act like a king to be treated like a king is both one of the best laws and one of the easiest to put into practice.
And a genuine compliment is one which makes you feel confident and great for weeks.
From a place of power would be outcome independence. Her reaction (positive or negative) doesn't affect you. You hold the power to your own reaction (frame). And yet you still chose to simply compliment.
A low SMV guy might get hit with a shit test by a simple compliment. At least in my experience anyway METOO
What kind of shit test brother? You’ve been shit tested by a girl after you complimented her? That’s fuckin retarded.
Confidence can be high but my looks are below average. So they can’t decide whether they feel flattered or harassed. So they need to see who I really am immediately (from my perspective).
Lift bro. Get fitting clothes and a fresh haircut.
Are they after your dick when you pass the shit test?
Looks like he can't answer, probably drowning in pussy.
I do this, it definitely makes you feel good! And you have to be okay with nothing following after except feeling really good and knowing good karma will be coming your way.
But hey I'd rather get really good karma every so often instead of just trying to get sex.
At the same time I'm not hamstering. I'm not your typical guy that most chicks go for on glance, regardless of how much I workout, how I look/style/dress, and regardless of how I move.
At least karma is fair and not hypergamous. If you do and think good, good will come to you! Believe that!
Watch your mouth boy, that's blasphemy on this sub.
Well I'm not Caucasian so it's a bit harder, since there's still a conscious barrier of interracial dating in America, unless you're super hot or loaded. Which I'm neither.
The only popular form of interracial dating I see quite often is a white guy with an asian woman.
No problem dating my own people but I'm limited since there's not many of us compared to caucasians.
Because I'm driven, workout, etc etc I want to find a partner around my level. But that's hard to find within my people. By saying I want a chick that's driven and works out is already being picky.
Pretend to be gangsta or smth. Also being white doesn't help you shit if you aren't decently attractive or tall.
In the gym, it's like having good form when you lift. Even if your body is all fucked up, you still want to coax it into better form before you lift. And if your body is too fucked up, either don't lift super heavy (approach a 10 with intention to fuck that night) or take a break to get your form right first (for me that meant seeing doctors and a physical therapist. For the brain analogy maybe you need a psychiatrist). When you approach above your means (and fail) it has a cost. Do it enough times and your mind anticipates failure. You should be anticipating success.
That's an important viewpoint / frame to keep in mind when doing this.
How does OP demonstrate complimenting from a position of power
This is the most wholesome thing ive read from this sub so far. Ill try to do this when in can.
You should also try it when you are not going to the bathroom, you'll probably have much better results!
Very much agree, stark contrast to the usual content that gets posted on here, also very popular. Makes you think about the direction this sub is heading. I am all for it.
It has actually always been like this here. It's just that people are allowed to get mad and blow off steam here. They are allowed to express views and thoughts they otherwise hide. So you see a lot of those as well.
It's sad when people try to define TRP by the posts of some angry, or frustrated people. It's nice when people see the help there is here for people to improve themselves and their lives.
I once tried to make an argument against one of these but got shot down promptly (in form of a 30 day ban) so I remain sceptic. But welcome content for sure!
Watch the movie. Groundhog day. Your attitude determines your reality.
Simplest and most overlooked approach anxiety killer. I expected more "stop giving them validation" comments. This is more about how it makes you feel and what it does for you with the added bonus of improving someone's day. I see no downsides.
It all comes down to frame at that point. In whose frame at you giving compliments? If your responding to compliment fishing or so cuked that you do it spontaneously than you deserve the attention you would get here. But if your acting for yourself, and not doing it in response to her than that's fine in RP theory.
I thought the same at first but then I read the whole post. It did have a fairly weak start but it finished well enough.
it's a buffer. that's the downside
I think the point here is that it works great as a way of making someone's day and working on our approach anxiety, but this is not good as a pick-up strategy, unless your smv is considerably higher than hers (i.e. anything you say would work).
Lol so what i should compliment fuggos on? I'm really horny guys... Don't judge.
Many years ago I had a job manning the information desk for a local community college. A pair of women, obviously mother and daughter approached and asked for curriculum information and such. I pulled out two copies of each and gave one copy to each woman. Mom said something like "Oh, I don't need that."
I said "Oh, I thought you were two young ladies exploring your educational options."
Mom smirked and said to me "You are going places. I don't know where, but you are going places!"
She picked up the pamphlets, winked at me and then the two of them left.
(I was older than daughter but younger than mom. I made the right play. . .just for fun.)
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Most compliments don't "make her day" if context is not your friend. And most compliments don't get anywhere if they compliment the wrong thing.
If I have to talk to any mom-daughter combo at work, I will always refer to them as sisters.
Most wholesome TRP post ever.
Funny how talking to women like people makes a difference huh?
They can feel creepiness just like men can.
honestly you can do this to men too. Spread some happiness around heck the world needs some now more than ever.
That's exactly my thought process. I've received compliments from friends when I feel really crappy that have turned my mood around. I like to pass it forward.
That's how I started approaching. And you still get a chance at battling/working on your approach anxiety inner dialogue (i.e "Will they think I'm gay") if you know what I mean.
Approaching someone and speaking first is like TRP on easy mode. It immediately puts them in your frame. Doesn't always have to be a complement either. Point is that approaching someone is great for imposing your frame. Also helps to be strong and attractive for optimal results.
Just attractive is enough. Being both is life on easy mode.
Step 1. Be attractive.
Step 2. Dont be unattractive.
They responded in the way they did because of your high SMV. If you were of lower SMV their response would be more neutral and sometimes even negative
To women you're either attractive, or creepy.
Nah, attractive, neutral, or creepy
Attractive = good looking guy with a great physique, skincare and style. Girls react positively as they are attracting a guy above average.
Neutral = average skinny guy. Neutral reaction. She will respond to your questions most likely in a aloof way like you barely exist.
Creepy = Nerd guy whose SMV is that low that girls react negatively due to their self-image ("Is this the quality of guys I really attract?"). At this point you are invisible.
There is one more possibility. 'more attractive than they' which for some women is extremely aggravating and can result in undeserved hostility.
You have to be so much more attractive than them that they feel like you are making fun of them. Like an 8 complementing a 2. Because women generally like men who are more attractive than them, this a part of hypergamy
So would this be a good way to see where your SMV is at? Complimenting girls and seeing their reactions?
Yeah. You'll also notice that the more you do it, the better responses you'll generally get.
This is because there is so much about your attractiveness that still depends on how you come across/your nonverbal language.
A guy faking the "coming from a place of power" compliment is easy for a girl to identify, based on his body language. And chances are, you'll be starting out by faking it. The more you do it though, the more you'll understand how to give these compliments from a place of power - the more your frame will strengthen.
This will change your body language in several subtle ways - that girls can pick up on very easily. Thus, you'll be responded to more positively.
Dont' forget to lift, eat clean, dress well, and get a haircut of course - those are much more overt ways to increase your attractiveness - but the nonverbal cues you give off will be equally important.
Also - use photofeeler to get your pictures rated. Furthermore, go to malefashionadvice and get a rating on your style/wardrobe. They're mad helpful.
Exactly. I doubt a nerd bald 5'4 guy would receive the same reactions even by acting the same exact way OP acted.
SMV is everything.
Imagine a morbidly obese guy turning around on the escalator and telling a woman: "I just wanted to tell you that you're very attractive", whilst breathing heavily.
She picks up the phone, pushes a couple buttons and hears a voice from the other end:
"911, what's your emergency?"
No sympathy from me. If you’ve gotten to the point of breathing heavily you can’t expect kindness from either gender.
Exactly. How can he expect respect from others when he doesn't even respect his own body, allowing himself to become obese?
This is something I have never understood about obese people? How do you let yourself get that big. And I'm talking morbidly obese, not even a bit fat.
People who are that obese don't have respect for themselves. You don't go from in shape to obese overnight. It's a gradual process and at some point, most people look at themselves and say, "I'm fat, I gotta lose weight" before it gets to true obesity levels.
Lol they probably think like this: "Loosing weight is hard, i'm already fat, let's see how fat can i become before heart attack".
I feel that this statement appy's to men also. I've had some pretty thick fattys complement/hit on me in the past, and all I can do is cringe. I think of cheese and vomit and gag a little.
Agreed. You can tell heath has high since from women’s reactions in his stories.
Indications that they find you attractive? Would a smile showing teeth upon initial greeting suffice?
If they look at you just analize their look.
If its a bit disgusted your unattractive. If its just a random look and thats it. No emotions, youre neutral. If its a bit longer than necessary and maybe she smiles when she sees you seeing her, youre attractive.
Of course thats just a general indication, like waiters are almost always the same (either overly smiling, but also to unattractive people, or bored, but also to attractive people, you get the idea), and some have a really good (smiling)/bad (not smiling) day. So its only a help.
I for example get looks that last longer than necessary but only from a certain type of girl (luckily those I like the looks of), and neutral looks (girls that are objectively hot, but not to me)... I some time ago recieved the disgusted look. I didnt take care of me, didnt lift, clothed like a guy that wanted to be incel, and didnt shower for like 1 week always. Thats why I know the whole spektrum.
I have to say that Im not that bad looking, judging by the girls I attract, I would say like a 7-8/10. but of course taking care of myself.
I am new here, but I had thought from what I’ve learned so far, that even if you’re not attractive, you could still do much better than expected with women. Like if you’re a 2, at the very least you could upgrade to getting 5s or 6s. Is that true overall or nah? Because as I learn, I share a bit of info with friends who have self defeating mindsets, but they do because well they are ugly or really short or w/e it is.
Or is this just specific to the short compliment situations?
An average looking guy can score women through game and/or social status, yes. Just check out RSD Owen in YouTube. Search "RSD Owen vs Tall" and you will see how game actually can beat looks.
Most guys can become atleast average through maxing out your body, picking the right haircut/beard for your face and dressing good. Those who still cant become atleast average after extensive looksmaxxing, and solid game and social status, (which is a small percentage of people), those should look into semi invasive forms of plastic surgery (rhinoplasty, chin implant). But generally speaking, looks can be improved. And you dont need to be a model to score women. Looks for women is much more subjective, if you make them feel tingles through your game/frame they will hamster that you are more good looking/taller than you actually are
Wow finally someone who understands that for some people (not really a minority, thou) surgeries are needed.
It definitely is a minority
10% for sure, minority is a relative word
Step 0. Be genuine.
Sure the preceding steps help, but if you want to compliment someone, do it and mean it.
It doesn't matter how the person reacts, because you're not doing it for the reaction.
Unless you are, in which case you don't want to compliment someone. You want the reaction you want.
Does it matter if you're attractive to that person if you want to give them a compliment?
It does matter if they are creeped out or react negatively
Why does that matter? You wanted to compliment someone?
I personally dont care for complementing people. But no one would want to complement anyone if the people they complement react negatively to it
Redpill is blackpil in disguise
No.
Black pill = defeatist mindset
Red pill = self improvement mindset
Blue pull = "There is a mindset?"
Generally speaking, most guys can become attractive or atleast average looking by looksmaxing. Average looking guys with decent game and social status can score 5s and 6s. Average looking guys with great game and social status can score 8s and sometimes 9s. I doubt there are many incels who dont look atleast average after looksmaxing + semi invasive plastic surgery (rhinoplasty, chin implant, infra orbital implants). So if you have looksmaxxed and you are still below 4/10, and you status maxed and have good game and still cant gett laid, career max and get plastic surgery.
This, surgeries may be needed, but if you are really short only great status can save you.
Yupp, but some people still don't understand. C'mon if TRP really worked wouldn't we see hundreds of field reports daily?
This reads like an anime, lmao
Dr warlock has a post that is the exact opposite of this “stop fucking up the SMP by with glances/attention”.
I like to aimlessly flirt a lot and go nowhere with it. I’ve been told to by another EC to stop this and either go for the kill or don’t bother because they sense something if off with you if you never go for the number and it ends in hostility.
I agree with this, you'll drive a woman mad if you don't go further with something. The exception would be towards low SMV women. Older and not as attractive seem to handle the flirting better but you can easily make a woman lose her shit by not pressing forward if she is attractive and interested.
It can easily end in hostility and confusion for them. "This guy should be asking me out. What is wrong with me? What did I do?". I can't think of the countless times in my younger life where a woman has shown interest and then fallen off leaving me confused and hostile It's basically what gets 99% of this sub here.
I can vouch for this. I've been there and done that. I've always loved to flirt. And chick's love it.
But.
There's been many a time I've progressed from making lots of eye contact, to openly admiring her body, to having her start to dick tease me, only to walk away without a number. Confusion and hostility is spot on. And there is no recovery, at least not that I know of.
1) you're definitely good looking if compliments illicit that kind of response from women. Women are neither kind nor mean. Their reactions depend on the guy. Dont encourage ugly guys to do this
2) if the business woman was too old, but the cosplay girl was too young, I'm curious what your age range is
2). is just a reason for op to disqualify himself from the dating pool.
Bad idea overall.
The 10th commandment of Poon is "Ignore her beauty". It goes onto specifically saying:
Sure it does have the few benefits of keeping your approach skills sharp, and making you feel good inside thanks to the double whammy of feeling like you're such an approach warrior AND feeling like you're doing good to the world.
But let's list the negatives:
So what should you do instead to get the benefits without the negatives?
Something felt off ab this. Thanks for putting into words.
This is what I have the most trouble with still. I just can't wrap my mind around how to go about doing this without sounding... well, autistic as fuck. "Hey, how about that weather?" I guess I'm just making excuses, but isn't that weird? My social skills suck, I guess?
At least if I state my intentions plainly ("Hey, I thought you were cute and wanted to talk to you") I polarize them quickly. I get a yes or no reaction right off the bat. I don't waste time on trying to become friends. I thought Models by Mark Manson was TRP endorsed (I read the whole book), and he advocates essentially doing it the way OP suggests to break through approach anxiety. Similarly, The Book of Pook talks about how "the sexual ones get the girls". No PUA bull, just straight punching. It kinda appeals to me... but what the fuck do I know, I'm a big beta coward either way.
Perfect if you make eye contact (IOI).
All guys have approach anxiety, and all humans are anxious to talk to strangers for no reason for fear of being misjudged. That's why it's good to practice on everybody.
Some like Manson. I don't. I prefer Roosh, and Roosh advises the above more gradual approach. Roosh justifies it this way: when you polarize super early, you force her to make a choice right fucking now about your potential as a lover. So you better be obviously good-looking. And even then, because she doesn't know anything about you, she could just blow you off because she's afraid of what you could be that she doesn't know. Or she could enthusiastically give you her phone number and then flake on you later after she has cooled down and doesn't know why she should meet with some random stranger she knows nothing about. Roosh says a direct approach gives you more phone numbers (as you don't spend as much time per approach) but less lays, and my personal experience confirms it. Unless you go to clubs where girls go to get laid tonight, approaching a girl too directly ends up in massive amounts of flaking.
I picture it like kino. Try going on a date and as soon as the girl arrives, try french kissing her straight away. It's possible she might welcome it because it's bold, but it's a much higher chance you'll shock her away even though she might have been keen on you. Better approach is to kino escalate. Fast, but escalate.
Good post. Can confirm that 'indirect' openers land a higher approach rate. I have found a greater amount of success (dates/lays) using Roosh's 'ramble' technique, where I ask her about a random thing (her backpack, her shoes, her laptop, the environment, how to get to a certain place, etc). I am not the best looking guy, but having open body language, being tall and just seeming 'friendly' is enough to get numbers, dates and lays. Also, I want to note that going for an indirect approach, the best thing to do is to go for an 'instadate' as it gives her an opportunity to relax and to 'know you better' (as if that matters to a guy lol). Plus she's invested sometime already, so going out with you again is not that big of a deal anymore.
Okay, that's the info I was kinda looking for. I've read Roosh too, "Day Bang", and was incredibly confused in the differences. Manson's methods are more appealing in that they are easier (if you have the balls to willingly be rejected) and more "honest". Roosh's seem more effective in turning numbers into dates, even in my own (very limited) experience. I'm interested in trying to find a copy of "Bang" as well to see the differences he puts into day and night game...
In this scenario, who would you say is doing the chasing? Who is putting who on the pedestal?
I haven't read it yet but there's many ways to be sexual than blurting out that you're attracted to them.
You flirt, give subtle cues, kino, be mysterious, take command of any situation.
True, true. I guess Manson kinda advocates the easy way out... you don't have to learn how to actually be social...
But it's not about the pickup. It's about training the guys who are still too scared to cold approach to practice talking to women in an innocently sexual way. A warm up. The whole point is that you don't close.
It's not a cold approach, it's a compliment. When it coems to actually trying to pick up women, a different playbook is needed.
I anticipated that answer at the end of my second bullet point:
Guys who are to scared to approach the right girls with the right playbook should not use the crutches that give them bad habits.
Seriously, complimenting unattractive girls on their looks to practice approach is like masturbation: it's something we are inclined to do, because it's similar to the real thing and it makes you feel good. You may rationalize it as a practice for the real thing, but it actually seriously hinders your capability to do the real thing right. It's a behavior that does you a great disservice. You may indulge in it very very occasionally if you want, but given that it requires a conscious, regular, strong, and long-term mental effort to effectively stamp out you should definitely not encourage it.
I think you are right in theory - but that OP is basically providing a fake it till you make it piece. And if what he's said allows one beta-nerd to talk to a stranger that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to, isn't that still a step in the right direction?
I do agree it could be a bad habbit to fall in to and the whole feeding the inner beta is something to be aware of.
I sort of disagreed with you first but after given some thought, I agree with you.
Trying to overcome your approach anxiety by throwing out random compliments just gives you bad habits even tho it may help with your anxiety in the short run.
Your advice about having a random conversation and/or thanking the person (with slight compliment included) when they have put in some effort like instructing where some place is would be the right way to go.
But this is all for beginners. Personally I like direct approach without actually complimenting the girl in the way that she knows right away why I approached her but this is actually something you may have meant by saying "approach and then escalate".
Yep you got my message, and I like your approach.
Approaching a girl is already an indicator of your interest. So if you go with an indirect opener, it sends mixed messages that will start arousing her imagination. Going more direct but not with too much interest ("Hey I noticed you over there and thought I'd come say hi and see if you're up for a chat") kills the mixed message, but I understand the point of introducing boldly some sexual tension from the start. I guess both are worth trying out.
But yeah going for an indirect opener doesn't mean talking about the weather for 20 minutes. You go indirect, start rambling about a topic, and quickly introducing value. If at night, you add your first kino and teases very early.
I undersand the point of Auvergnat and of you Heathcliff.
Most dudes are too afraid to compliment a girl so they wont ever hit on a girl in a crowded setting like you describe. At the same time there is a danger in getting used to throw a compliment and then "run away".
Like so often you both have a good point but the internet or reddit or just the way humans argue, makes it look like you are on opposite teams which as far as I can tell is not the case.
Anyway, my 2 cents;
The most important part is that a person must act, not every way of talking to a girl or doing things in general is exactly the same for every person. At least 5 days a week, a person should work on getting power. In this instance we talk about social power or social competence. You presented one way on how people get better and more comfortable at it and therefore more powerful. That's a good thing. On an other day a person might work hard or learn hard for Dollars$$$ on another day for body-health and fitness. A person must get up and make reality happen around themself! Never get complacent, never stop till you die.
If you compliment 100 girls before hitting on them or go straight for the close theoretically doesnt matter. But just for the record, I would bet less then 1/10000 in this forum go directly hit on random hot girls in really crowded places where everyone around can hear you. Getting out a compliment or having a short "neutral-ish" conversation is way more realistic to actually happen!
Great breakdown.
I can't believe more people didn't point out OP's mistake for complimenting physical looks. It's actually a bit worrying.
Cringe.
I'd guess OP is 20 years old from this sentence.
I instinctively felt a minor cringe from my mind when I read the part about giving random compliments (validation) to women, especially for just existing.
Whilst I can appreciate the good intent from the OP, what you said here put into words what my head was trying to work out perfectly.
OP can genuinely compliment random female strangers because he is fully RedPill. Picture somebody like Bruce Lee or Yoda...that’s kinda where he’s coming from.
Once you reach the state of total outcome independence, you’ll be able to genuinely compliment women without trying to act like you’re ignoring them. And theylll still be attracted to you.
Really? You can’t just compliment a person to make you and someone else feel good? Jfc what is wrong with some people on this sub
I am always astonished to see how people can misinterpret someone else's opinion that badly. Especially after I was so thoroughly detailed in my argument so there should be no room for misunderstanding.
It was incredibly obvious from my post that my argument is that "complimenting a girl hurts your chances of picking her up". It was crystal clear I did NOT have some absolute opinion that one "can't compliment a person to make you and someone else feel good". A school boy would have understood my argument. You very likely understood it yourself (if you actually read it all). But your are so deeply invested into portraying me as an evil person that you had to misinterpret it. You had to shut down that part of your brain that is able to understand a clear and rational reasoning, because you had to come to the conclusion that I was evil.
You were totally capable to understand me, but your ego-investment in your ideas shut down that capability to maintain your prejudice. Humans are fascinating.
There we go...
There's the old TRP as we know it!
Is this a book or something? I'd like to know more
google "16 commandments of poon"
This is the comment I was waiting for. Thank you.
Can you link me all the commandments of poon?
Google it for fuck's sake. If you can't do the most basic effort to look for information yourself, life is going to be very hard for you.
Dude I love this. When I'm in a good mood I can be the friendliest dude to everyone in my vicinity, guys, girls, whatever.
Nothing wrong with improving the world a little bit and making a stranger happy. This works especially well on older women, less attractive women, etc... they get a compliment from some young stud and their day is completely made.
I also wouldn't exclude this to just women. Idk about male strangers, but complimenting the guys in your friend group (or new people to the group/friends of friends) is an incredibly easy way to basically have everyone love you. The guys will talk you up to chicks, you'll have a friend in every bar you go to.
I know TRP is about sexual strategy, and yes this is tangentially related... but making the world a better place to live in isn't the worst thing in the world either.
Great post OP, although I should mention this might not work if you're socially awkward or low SMV, then it might come off creepy.
I love this approach. I forced myself out of my self imposed “antisocial” behaviors using the talk to anyone captive approach like checkout lines, service staff, etc then stepped it up to giving genuine compliments to people. “Hey man great pulls there” after you see someone shred some deads. “Oh that shirt is awesome” when you see someone walking by. It’s just giving people a taste of my inner monologue.
It went over well when I was still in the neutral dude category. Now I have the practice to spout off whatever bullshit pops in my head. Giving and swatting shit tests, smalltalk and banter all flow out of me now. Sometimes I look back and go fuck I just said that didn’t I.
The spergs don’t understand the nuance here. There’s nothing unplugged or red or wtfever about being hateful or hoarding your value. The whole purpose of gaining value is being able to spread it to the world at your choosing. Yes you have to understand the difference between being a validation whore and giving a genuine compliment. That knowledge should come pretty quickly once you get your smv in place and really start interacting with the world.
you love it because its an easy ass pussy approach.
want to get over aa? go say a few words to a cashier with a smile while buying bubblegum. say something like 'ahaha look at me a grown ass man buying bubblegum. is it weird for a grown ass man to like bubble gum? What do you think?'. BAM. Easy as pie and minimal anxiety because it is merely being friendly and there is no expectation of closing. It also develops good conversational habits and an ability to think on ones feet.
I do this all the time with cashiers. They have the most mundane, thankless job. Most people NEVER say hi to them and reference their name. Most just look down and stick their credit card in the reader and leave. So, I always make a concerted effort to say hello and reference their name. You will get more beaming responses and a day made when you do it. Women (and dudes...I say hello to them too and try and start convos) absolutely love it, and I rarely ever get a sour puss when I do this.
this is true. complimented one of the guys at my local walmart on his hard work, 2 days later he see me checking out and seems very happy to see me and even compliments my cowboy boots I was wearing. he never did anything like this until I complimented and acknowledged his work.
I dont say things like that unless i actually DO like the girls hair/dress/whatever.
"Only a fool tells a woman she's beautiful." - Casanova
Girls know why we approach them. There's no need to verbalize it.
this is some blue pilled thinking. you'll grow out of it eventually. I can tell you are young without you mentioning it. Dont know why you would want to go around 'feeding' random women
in fact when i was a bit younger (20) i would compliment MEN as they almost never hear compliments from friends family or strangers.
I'd rather re-affirm the self esteem of someone that wasnt constantly seeking attention
This is how i met my LTR of 5 years... which led me here after i ended it
Lol I can feel the ancient fathers of the manosphere cringing as they read this shit. And all the people talking about this being the most wholesome thing they read... Lol
Fuck her day nigga
Make your day by saying some wild shit and watch her stupid Pixar face go all goofy
Then you can be all like "Hello. My name is Billiam BetaBucks Junior. I like boats, golf and equality."
What's a wild and goofy line that works for you?
I like to start with something quick and light-hearted, like "Nice arm hair bitch did you grow it yourself?"
"What?"
"I said, you're pulling that outfit off without a hitch, it's really top-shelf!"
And then we fuck while everybody claps and I bust a nut from thinking about the karma from the field report to come
If you don’t have the balls, this post is useless. Good message OP, if you don’t act, you’ll never learn.
I can agree and confirm what OP has said.
I tired this idea from Tom Torero Day game and he explains it as a warm up to actually talking to women before you really try to game them.
Just go up to anyone you kind of like or don’t at all and get the approach out of your system and that fear out of the way.
It’s great for approach fear. But he doesn’t say that it feels fucking great to make a person smile.
Did it to 7 people in a row, while walking through a park. All of them loved it. And it made me feel on top of the world.
All I did was walk toward them, stop them for a second and say
“Hey, just saw you across the park and I had to tell you that I thought you looked really pretty/beautiful. “
Then their face would light up in a huge smile or a grin or laugh. One asked if I was sure because she just came from the gym. And I just doubled down.
and then move to
“That’s all I wanted to say. Have a nice day.”
And then leave, as my own smile would get bigger.
Torero seems really cool and genuine too, thinking about doing some first time daygame using the London daygame model. Have you done the rest of the steps or just the warmup?
I have only done the warm up and taken parts of his escalation game. Which I can also vouch for on a first date. It helps a lot and even in general day to day flirting and talking with women.
I can definitely see a benefit form it. And with practice on the escalation I can see when to spike and go back to cool.
I recommend his videos on YouTube and his podcast. His stuff is very good and very beginner friendly.
Cool, atm I’m looking for a wing to go out with just for a bit more fun. Also a little worried about police, Ive seen several stories where a guy is doing pickup and someone goes to the police about it.
That seems fucking nuts. I would still try it because it’s just gaming. If she is being freaked out you need to rethink your game. Or something about you aren’t doing right.
Giving the creeps too someone is not a good sign and something that needs to adjust.
Good luck with day game my friend.
The title of this post is make HER day. Please find me a post where women are discussing about how to make our day?
I live in central London and we are all assholes here whole don’t smile at each other.
You're in control. Do things that improve your life and make you feel better. Stop expecting other people to do that for you.
Correction. Do women plan in a reddit group to go out of their way to compliment men?
If so pls post the link.
My point is there is nothing wrong with complimenting anyone but planning to do it is just weird in my book. Doesn’t come across as genuine.
Agree to disagree
Naw. We’re not gonna waste our time engaging in one-sided interactions that only reinforce the feminization of society.
Compliment her if she earns it. Don’t force compliments to get her to like you,
There's a difference between giving a compliment to get her to notice you vs. getting her to like you.
There’s also a difference between giving a genuine compliment and giving her a compliment to notice you.
lol yes that's also true. Doesn't have to be as extreme as your initial comment.
You’re on TRP. Maybe the seduction sub is for you.
It's really not that complicated
This follows a good rule in general:
Focus on what you can give others
Chivalry never actually requires acknowledgement or gratitude. You do the right thing because it is the noble thing to do, especially when it will never be recognised or you will gain no reward from it. The second you do this naturally, it automatically comes from a place of power. You are being nice for the sake of being nice as a simple smile is the smallest form of charity you could give to another human being, it is a charity because you do not have to do it and it may require a little bit of effort for no return whatsoever. The fact that there may be some return in being chivalrous is irrelevant because the second you are doing it for some kind of benefit other than for the fact of doing whats right for the sake of doing whats right, it stops being chivalrous in nature .
Some seriously solid advice for those who are without a member of the opposite sex.
They literally have a scene in a drake and josh episode about this lol. Not discrediting this, I think it’s a great post, it just reminded me of it.
Reading the comments some for and some saying don’t compliment a woman and such I’m reminded of something I was told a while back:
Develop your charm.
Being charming is one of the greatest skills you can have. It is actually a difficult skill to master, a fine edge. It encompasses your physical attributes and your social.
So I agree with the OP. This technique can be used to build charm.
Thanks for the nice story. Great write-up btw.
Wasn't there a rule somewhere saying “don't compliment women unless you've slept with them first“? So many different theories lol
I like to make my day, I m pragmatic, if that leads to her giving me something, I do.
Never do nothing for free.
Don't do this at work kids. Compliments to women are grounds for dismissal these days.
If you need the practice, that's one thing. But randomly giving away male attention and compliments is the masculine version of being a slut. It sounds like something a BP simp would do, trying to spread random joy to the women of the world.
I can't believe this shit got so many upvotes. I just hope that fucking idiot will compliment the wrong girl or woman and will get his knees or jaw bone destroyed.
This is a quality post not just some macho bullshit.
What is this blue pill shit doing here?
Being a genuine person isn't blue pill. Getting fucked is.
Complimenting on women's looks and telling them they're "pretty" and "beautiful" is definitely blue pill.
It is not blue-pill if you are doing it to overcome approach anxiety. It's just a random stranger girl who you are using to practice, not a girl you are trying to get in the bed with.
You can ask for directions or some situational banter instead, that's how you start small talk plus you're developing game that way.
No need to go around and complimenting randoms on their looks.
Thanks man, a much needed post. Sometimes when I'm reading here and practicing it outside, I forget we do that for our happiness and good. I often get stuck in a too serious mindset, letting oppurtunities slip by, fucking up because I can't relax - trying too hard to have the perfect frame maybe. Occasionally, I loosen up and start talking random shit on the bus with a girl or a friend, earning smiles, laughs and strange but positive looks from everyone around me; or find a face I've seen before and go talk to the person just for the sake of knowing each other. Every single day I do something like that - just feels better after.
Timely and must be coordinated with Chateau Heartiste who brilliantly said today:
Men desire. Women desire to be desired.
Anyone in thir right mind would react positively to a compliment. This is kinda beta if you ask me.
This is a "feel good" fairytale for guys who don't game seriously (regular nights, PUA, learning game for learning game's sake - not just "talk to women and have fun").
Dont compliment and feed their ego. Thats beta behaviour tbh
I stopped reading at the use of the word "fuckboy".
I was under the impression to never give women validation? Arent compliments validation?
This article reads BP af
Don’t worry about the downvotes. There has been a huge influx of betas recently that don’t understand the core principles. This entire article is Blue Pill. This is some Disney fantasy shit. Op probably thinks these women are going to remember him for the rest of their lives as the Prince Charming that said I was pretty on the escalator.
Remember women earn your validation. It is not freely given
I agree wholeheartedly. Blue pill AF
There is a super attractive lady working at the Subway I frequent regularly. She always makes my sandwich and I have no idea how to compliment her.
Any suggestions?
your roast beef is so moist and delicious.
You: "hey you always make my sandwich"
Her: "haha yeah"
You: "can I has it for free this time?"
Now you've started a conversation and might get a free sandwich out of it. Always think of your own benefit first.
Tell her to come over and make you a sandwich like a good women.
Don’t overthink it. You have a compliment in your head already, use it but sprinkle it with a push n pull method to get her talking
It's difficult to compliment as she's wearing the Subway uniform, you can't see her shoes, she probably doesn't have any jewelry/accessories on.
Instead, start small talk.
"Hi, how are you?"
"Did you see those two homeless guys fighting outside?"
"Who do you have winning the World Cup?"
"Can you recommend me your favorite sandwich/toppings/sauce/desserts/hidden gems (such as the cookies)?"
The Subway workers get a free meal during their shift so ask what combos she's tried and what's the best/what's the worst.
Thank you and by the way you are really beautiful and i Just needed to Tell you
Nothing too fancy imo
Jesus, this sub is getting diluted with so much beta advice. You do NOT compliment on her beauty.
Lol. Simple. Find something you like. Tell her that you like it and why. Done
Come on mate. Do women go around complimenting men randomly? Why should we go out of way to make them happy ? They will come to you just focus on yourself.
There’s is nothing wrong with paying a compliment to anyone if it’s in the moment but planning to pay compliments to women is just weird in my opinion and quite beta
I’m not saying that because I’m alpha. Really I don’t care about the terminology but just have a think..
There used to be a time when strangers smiled and greeted each other for no reason.
It costs nothing, has a big positive outcome. Why not so it?
Yes.
Step 1: Be attractive
Step 2: Don't be unattractive
Works 100% of the time, every time. Usually won't go anywhere, but it does happen at least 3 or 4 times a week.
Heath- the goat. I appreciate all of your input here. It’s so fucking real. Your character really reminds me of myself.
That first one you threw out with the old woman was hilarious. So even you, the great heathcliff, STILL get approach anxiety? Would this type of shit work on people that you will see on a regular but casual basis? Example- girl at a convenient store that you go in almost daily?
It’s funny that I was actually considering doing this shit before you posted it but I hamstered to myself- “no this isn’t trp. This isn’t the trp way fuck it.” And I didn’t do it.
Heathcliff is my hero
In malaysia, I would get slapped if i did that.
Fuck yeah man! I love looking at TRP and seeing something that's uplifting!
Relationships should be a win win! A lot of stuff on TRP comes from guys super frustrated with their dating lives because they don't have the right idea about what to do and are angry, and I love an uplifting post like this! Mentally healthy girls like being complemented if the guy genuinely means it and doesn't expect anything in return...
If you're complementing to get her attention or her approval or her pussy you're taking value and girls sense this immediately... Girls wanna feel sexy, and it makes you both happy if you're emotionally healthy yourself :) cheers for sharing bud!
Really good read. It's nice and rare to read someone's positive TRP experience.
Thank you!
This is great for cold approach anxiety. I've used in many situations to start up a conversation or to honestly compliment them without expecting any result. It should be noted that you should never expect anything, human nature is human nature. Now to tell you a quick story about a very rare time where this went awry:
Be me, 6 feet, long hair, deep, loud voice taking long strides across the street in New York City. I'm no Chad but I've certainly been called attractive by women before. I get to the other side and I see this little cute 7-8 with a cool little punk fashion style going on (metal is my thing so I felt it would be fine to cold approach.) She's coming the other way to cross where I came from and I say "you're really beautiful, ya know that?!" And she realizes who said something to her (NYC, many people were around) and she screams, no screeches:" YOU'RE A FUCKINGGGG ASSHOLE, YOU KNOW THAT?" I was like "whoa" a bit taken back by the hostility. So was everyone around me. People were staring like I just raped this girl. So I just kept it moving, as she continued to gleam at me while moving to her destination.
Now I read this and thought of this situation, which I said before is somewhat rare, but it can happen. My only guess is a couple of things: 1.she was a femnazi that was actually really good looking 2. Just got dumped 3. Sick and tired of being aggressively cat called, which is common in New York City.
Great post,
A simple compliment goes a long way in making another persons day, if not week. It should not just be women but everyone. When you see something good about someone or noticeable difference, please compliment it. It doesn’t cost you a thing and it makes you and that person feel good. Social media subculture has made everyone so engrossed in themselves. A little selflessness is always good.
Good advice. Personally I stay away from personal compliments about looks with younger women. Older, sure, you don't want to fuck them anyway. For the younger ones I'd comment on something they're wearing, doing, or whatever. Good exercise to practise cold approaching.
From what I understand it was OTHER passers by who were reporting it. Oh well just gotta maintain frame and not get all skitty when the police show up. Good luck to you too!
Behaving like this naturally leads to bodhicitta also. When you are nice to someone, for no reason, no want nor gain. That is true kindness.
Where's the "Go do it, pussy"?
Seriously though, I've read a ton of posts on here and none have been nearly as wholesome as this. Good work
I recall last November.
I was in a mall looking for some notebook but had trouble finding it. I approached a lady that was stashing some things away. She was wearing a scarf indoors and when I asked her if they had what I was looking for she couldn't get a sentence out without coughing. When I left the mall I crossed the street to stock up on some medical supplies in the pharmacy. In addition to my purchases, the pharmacist handed me a pack of tissues and a cough drop. I went straight back to the mall, found that lady tapped her on the shoulder and handed her the cough drop without a word. Took her a second to realize what had happened. Her face lit up. Before she could say anything I said "It's good for Karma" turned around and left.
5) You did a good thing
And most importantly, it spreads happiness and good intentions without asking for anything in return; yet you will reap the rewards in Karma, almost instantly.
Yes, because being servants to women has worked out so well for so many men.
Good reports, Good reports.
Man not lying.
It's almost like women are human beings who enjoy people being nice to them, and manipulating them is wrong
All I read was “couldn’t close.” I thought this was TRP. Since when do we believe that telling girls you just met how pretty they are is good strategy?
A well placed neg can do the same thing. All you got to do is stand out and neg her in her environment. " You forgot to hold the door for me" "Your music is loud, turn it down" . "You listening to post Malone right now? Turn that shit off my ears are bleeding". These women on first dates told me how it took a lot of courage to say these things and it made you stand out. Be different, embrace your inner asshole, just don't be a complete douchebag or pedophile.
Okay so you made her day.. For what? What did she do to deserve this compliment?
Most of the girls you just compliment are gonna go back to their friends and tell them how some guy was trying so hard with these cringe worthy compliments, but pussied out at the end.
"OMG this guy was like all over me telling me I'm pretty and like wtf ew what a loser"
This still makes her look cool to her friends, but makes you look like a cheeseball. Even if women like compliments, they're gonna portray it to their friends in a completely different way.
This has potential to become an approval self-worth-test addiction.
Be warned.
Overral thanks for the report. Sounds reasonable enough when you set your mind not for a big goal but small even for no goal, that makes approaching a lot easier.
This is fine if you never talk to women and need to get out of ur shell, but don't expect to get laid by complimenting women.
If you wana get laid, don't compliment their looks ever. The definition of game is literally being socially savy enough to covertly show interest while not overtly saying it. Sexual innuendo, double entendres, body language, and being emotionally divested is the essence of game.
I'm not sure if this post is satire, but I wish it were.
All I see here is Buffers https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/
Why should you go around complimenting women and getting nothing in return? If you think their happiness is your reward then I don't understand why this post is coming from an endorsed poster. You are living off the premise that making women happy will make you happy, which is the exact opposite what we should strive for.
You could argue that complimenting them is just a step to start losing approach anxiety, but then again Buffers.But that's not what this post is about. You focused heavily on the good feels you get by making women happy while getting nothing in return, aka the beta mindset.
I hope this post is satire.
i disagree. You should be getting enough pussy that not expecting pussy from every girl you interact with is the mission. Sometimes i just like to know i could have the pussy if i wanted. I dont have the time to fuck every girl i wanna fuck.
Good post. I would also extend the giving of compliments to men as well, or anybody really because it will simply make you happier and more comfortable around strangers of both sexes
Ok this is the first time I’ve been on this sub, and I’ve gotten a weird vibe from it, but this is the most wholesome thing all day, and is different in the other posts in that it doesn’t make women out to be some foreign object that must be mastered, but an actual human being. I also have a lot of anxiety with compliments and whatnot and I think this advice will help thank you.
What a load of bollocks. You never compliment a woman! That is some beta-buck-bullshit. You would have done better to say to the cosplay chick “hey! Arent you too young for porn?” With the cheekiest grin on your face while doing push ups with one arm and counting wads of hundreds on the other.
Yes, but isn't this part of basic flirtation?
Also, YOLO, you could be banging those forty-year-olds. It can be REAAAALLY fun times.
You seem like a decent guy. Don't waste your time here man
Man, I love this. Thank you for posting it. I just had a post yesterday talking about how I thought TRP principles should be used for good, rather than manipulation and this is a great example.
Bravo sir.
TRP isn't about manipulation, you are completely off base and should change your mindset. It's about understanding the truth, aka AWALT. It's about understanding the male and female sexual strategy. It might not be nice, but that's just how reality is. What you take from all of this, well, that's all up to you.
Many people misinterpret it and never "swallow the pill", which is why subreddits such as exredpill exist, where people villify TRP as "cis white male manipulatory misogynist rapist creeps who ruined my life".
The problem isn't TRP, the problem are the people who don't understand TRP, and thus revert back to their old blue pill self, because that's far easier than "swallowing" the so called "red pill".
I agree with you, and didn't suggest that TRP was about manipulation. I was saying that the sub has a reputation for manipulation and that we should be more deliberate about lifting up TRP members who use their redpill awareness in moral ways.
I believe this would help reduce the stigma associated with the community and thus lead to more blue pill betas finding their way here and becoming unplugged.
Nothing will ever reduce the stigma as long as there is a group of "cis white men" discussing things which go against the social norms. You can show someone the way, but you can't make them walk upon it.
And, well, morality is a fickle and relative thing. Sure, you can be as highly moral as you can. People will still be assholes, people will backstab you, and women won't have seconds thoughts about cheating on you and jumping on a bigger cock.
Talking about morals leads nowhere because our sexual strategies are amoral in nature, which is probably TRP 101. You should always worry about yourself first, everybody else second, no matter the situation. Complimenting random chicks is just a tool, nothing else. Worry about your day, not other people's days.
I disagree with these sentiments.
While there will always be detractors (the blue haired feminists in our case), that doesn't mean there won't be a demand for the information we provide. Clearly there is a demand, or else we wouldn't be here. You HAVE to understand that there have probably been hundreds or thousands of men, who have been searching for solutions, stumbled unto TRP (having some vague notion in their head that TRP was full of angry neckbeards) and read the comment section on a given post, or saw one of the ridiculous titled people use daily and though "Yup, angry neckbeards indeed".
No, morality isn't that fickle. The fringes of morality are fickle. The reactions of others do not dictate morality. A man who abandons his values to get ahead never ends the race in the lead. Just because people fuck you over doesn't mean it's fine and dandy to be just like them.
No, talking about morals doesn't lead to nowhere. While the sexual strategies in and of themselves are amoral, their implementation is far from it. Playing on the emotional vulnerability of a married woman and seducing her into cheating on her husband isn't amoral.
Look, you are a grown up, you get to choose your values and do what you want, but as a community, if we had fewer asshats spouting off at the mouth about AWALT in every post, we could HELP more men. Helping more men is the goal...not jerking each other off about RP theory and field reports.
I guess we strongly disagree on a lot of these subjects, especially the part about morality, which is precisely why people who end up being "moral faggots" get banned. The objective truth does not exist, and arguing about such things leads nowhere. This is the place for optimizing your sexual strategy, which is amoral. That's it.
While this community is about helping men, you can't help someone who doesn't want any help. All you can do is give advice. What they do with the advice is completely up to them. If they can't distinguish the good from the bad, well, that's their fault. It's called the "red pill" for a reason, it's hard to "swallow".
Why should I feed women's already inflated super egos? No thanks I'll pass. I won't compliment a woman unless I need to, or I am trying to fuck her.
Kind™. You still realize that most women will cheat and divorce rape you and take your kids and ruin your life in an instant still right? Responding positively to an innocuous comment doesn't prove anything.
I guess it can be helpful if you have approach anxiety, but most of us don't so there's no need to waste our time inflating random women's egos.
This is why I follow TRP. Thank you sir.
If women don't do that for me then I'm not doing it for them..they are shallow and conceited enough as it is.
And another soul goes down into the mental sewer of red pill excuses
Good post.
If you are new to daygame, this is actually the first step to the London day game model. I recommend that you learn the rest of the steps.
Give a compliment, then start stacking, when she gives you a topic- start vibing/ push pull, then get the hook point -when she asks you a question (that’s her investment), and then end in comfort, then get her number and move on - or go for the same day lay by doing a bounce to a different location...etc up to you.
Based loosely on the Mystery Method.
Love this post all so true
Is this amuse mastery?
Ps: serious comment. I'm new to game, so I want to learn from field reports/lessons
No, it's the opposite of AM. Read Rollo's and Heartiste's articles on amused mastery. It's sums up that you don't take women seriously, from a position that you have seen it before and you're amused with it.
AM is the core of the game.
you need to write shorter posts if you want people to read them and not to get fucking bored to death. How old are you and how old was the first lady to whom you said "you are pretty"? I want to say something. I read your other post and I think you have a distorted perception of reality.