So close...

throwaway-fds · 2021-08-26T15:48:07+00:00

God the intense backtracking to baby man children on reddit, "No no no sweetie you're still the ultimate victim I swear!! Evil women and feminists are behind it all!! Hold on while mommy warms up your bottle!"

djfrankenjuice · 2021-08-26T16:20:26+00:00

Why can’t men ever reprimand each other? Why is it always women’s fault?

Idk any woman who has ever made fun of someone for being a virgin. It’s a common thread in American media which last I checked has a strong history of being controlled by men.

The backpedaling against women is just a shocking turn of the post.

glendoraza · 2021-08-26T15:49:22+00:00

Isn’t it usually other guys that make of guys for being virgins? 🙄

jupitaur9 · 2021-08-26T16:47:36+00:00

LOL at “please don’t drag feminism into this.” Because they call men incels. Because it was feminists who came up with the incel community and incel mindset of blaming women for not getting laid.

the-worst- · 2021-08-26T15:59:25+00:00

Ugh.

First, it's often MEN who shame OTHER MEN for being virgins.

Second, usually when a woman refers to a man not getting laid, it's because he's either an incel who has less charisma than a ritz cracker, or some lame-o using PA tactics he saw "work" on youtube. If neither of those, it's some scrote with no basic hygiene or manners.

Third, yes, it IS because of the patriarchy. Why? Because MEN set the "importance of getting laid", yet they want nearly every woman they bone to be virgins themselves! It also implements the Madonna whore complex. Since the same male society that expects men to get laid regularly by different women also expects women to only have one partner their entire life.

Fourth, just another example of men blaming women for society's biases when it was men who made up those biases in the first place.

Fifth, women ARE the victims in this. Not men. Because the one being objectified is the victim, not the ones objectifying them.

Kitty_Pompous · 2021-08-26T17:35:12+00:00

It should be okay to be a virgin and reducing women to objects is wrong: 🙂

Women are the ones indulging in virgin shaming: 😐

It has nothing to do with feminism: 🙁

Men suffer more: ☹️

honeybadgerattitude · 2021-08-26T16:25:00+00:00

Men when they almost realise the problem then flip back to it all being women’s fault 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hikari3747 · 2021-08-26T16:59:44+00:00

Since when do women shame men for being virgins???

This dude seriously need to stop talking about westerners culture when he never step foot in it.

lilac-hiraeth · 2021-08-26T16:01:24+00:00

All of that was a mess from start to finish. Damn.

muffy2008 · 2021-08-26T17:05:48+00:00

This guys edits show what an asshole he is.

Lylaeth · 2021-08-26T16:56:44+00:00

They’re so fucking stupid, we don’t care if they’re a virgin or not. What we do care about is when they think they can demand a woman to be used as a human fleshlight. Being a virgin does not equal being an incel

sherrybby · 2021-08-26T18:09:39+00:00

Had my first reddit care report! Truly a badge of honor yall

dancedancedance7 · 2021-08-26T16:31:42+00:00

Oh my, this had something for a moment until edit 2 and edit 3

DameSorciere · 2021-08-26T18:45:37+00:00

Sigh. This is literally that one meme:

Man: shoots another man and turns to camera Why would women do this

Thereismorethanthis · 2021-08-26T16:31:50+00:00

Omg I came so close to downvoting this by instinct

alexjames_sc · 2021-08-26T17:55:38+00:00

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie....then it was all downhill. Funny, since that's how most of my interactions with men pan out.

Inspection-Critical · 2021-08-26T19:56:03+00:00

So, when was the last time men were victims of child marriage and honor killings? The world is not only obsessed with women's virginity, we're literally enslaved and murdered over it.

"He probably lives in his mom's basement and can't get laid" is a statement about a man's chosen behavior. If you refuse to grow up and move out, yeah, that'll affect every facet of your adult life (including sex) and people will make fun of you for it, especially other men. Women will comment on it because if a guy doesn't have his life together, he probably doesn't know how to treat you right either.

queen-wannabe · 2021-08-26T15:48:14+00:00

“And not objectify themselves like this” oh yeah, sure thing jimmy, it’s all our fault. It always is and it always will be. It’s not like we were the ones who started this trend anywaysssss. It’s not like we were the ones first pressuring men to get laid. What a way to deflect blame onto women. Like we’re the source and cause of all problems in society.

buzzkillyall · 2021-08-26T19:38:12+00:00

Wait. Who is it again that is OBSESSED with virginity?

Poor, poor manbaby victims. Create a social structure, then whine about it.

doc-2-be · 2021-08-26T19:31:54+00:00

"Men suffer the most in this "😂😂😂😂😂 they're all a bunch of crybabies huh😂

Outrageous-Knowledge · 2021-08-26T19:37:05+00:00

“Don’t get feminism into this” lmao ok incel

ItsFreezen · 2021-08-26T21:13:24+00:00

"Men suffer the most of it" On what Planet?. Delusional prick.

HumanAdhesiveness360 · 2021-08-26T19:48:44+00:00

Feminists! Sit this issue about feminism out! Sit down!

shockingupdate · 2021-08-26T22:43:52+00:00

Ooooh I think he’s got it…I think…oh hot damn he’s got it…HE’S GOT IT…OMG HE’S GOT IT…aaaaaaaaand he’s blaming women for things men do to each other. Next.

Joohoneybee_002 · 2021-08-26T22:46:20+00:00

Guys literally make whole memes, roast sessions, and videos making fun of each other for being virgins or not having a high enough “body count”. You’re more likely to be made fun of for sucking at sex when it comes to women, not for never having it before.

radfem_babe · 2021-08-26T23:25:00+00:00

It's always women's fault 🙄

Sallou9 · 2021-08-26T22:25:59+00:00

Men are the ones calling other men virgins more.than women are ffs.

Nifteroni-and-Cheese · 2021-08-26T23:35:22+00:00

So, I know more frat guys then I like to think about, and some of them had no sexual experience coming into collage. Across the board, social pressure from their more sexually experienced brothers drove them to try to have casual sex or enter a sexual relationship ASAP. I never once saw any evidence of women in sororities doing the same thing, and there were girls in my sorority who were waiting for marriage or just hadn’t had sex yet, and sisters just didn’t pressure each other like the guys did.

The end result is young guys who don’t know what they’re doing desperately trying to sleep with someone, anyone, and being able to brag about it to the boys. I never personally saw this result in sexual assault, but it certainly can.

So, the idea that women are out here shaming men for a lack of sexual experience, resulting in objectification of women, is pretty disingenuous. MEN are pressuring MEN to objectify women, we aren’t asking for it. We never are.

cookiemonstergirls · 2021-08-27T03:17:02+00:00

Why do men blame women for everything? I have never heard a woman shame a man for being a virgin. Men shame other men for being virgins all the time and then they shame women for not being virgins. Women literally do not care if a man is a virgin or not. Also when a woman calls a man an “incel”, she is not shaming him for being a virgin. She is shaming him for being a woman hating turd.

aquietsword · 2021-08-26T18:57:18+00:00

Honestly, neither I nor ANY woman I know care about virgin men. Like what does it really matter to us to make fun of them, they just aren't on our radar at all. It's men fucking shit up for everyone else like always.

Ironsculpture · 2021-08-27T09:52:11+00:00

I can't help but see this is an attempt to frame a men's problem like a women's issue in order to gather female support, and to blame women.

No, shaming men for being virgins is shaming them for being socially incompetent, unattractive and "unfuckable", so to speak. Virgin men are also often bitter and very aggressive, so that's another reason why they're being picked on.

It has nothing to do with the objectification of women, OP doesn't successfully explain why he thinks that it does, and all of this seems like a desperate stretch.

In a similar way, fat women are often shamed for being considered unattractive. This doesn't objectify men, it attacks women's self esteem which hinges a lot on how attractive they are.

Sometimes mocking men is done for the sake of mocking men, and it isn't a women's issue or women's fault. It's a problem men caused, that affects men, and it's none of our business.

Mediccibitch · 2021-08-26T17:41:04+00:00

I live in the middle east, so I can't be sure. But as far as I know, virigin men in the west are usually awkward, insecure, and deeply misogynistic. I think adult western males should be ashamed of being virgins .There are a lot of pickmes and the bar for malea is seriously low. So if a male can't find a woman despite that, he must be the loser among the losers.

On the other hand, expecting males to be womanizers and have a "high body count" (hate that term) is misogynistic because it views women as conquests.

Also, it's usually men who shame other men for being virgins, not women. Though I think if women are virgin shamed, so should men.

Btw, this guy is a POS and probably mad that he's a virgins himself. Women are the victims here, not males.

fknbtch · 2021-08-26T22:40:19+00:00

personally, i like to keep my man shaming to subjects like how they can't get a romantic relationship because they're losers and them jerkin it. i have never made fun of a man for not using a woman sexually. this guy is the one making it about sex specifically and using a woman and then blaming women for it.

europoor24 · 2021-08-26T23:40:31+00:00

Wait so we're objectifying ourselves by rejecting men? is that right?

eru378 · 2021-08-27T01:29:08+00:00

When all you have is a hammer (or a misogynistic worldview in which having sex is only ever a matter of conquest and not a shared experience that occurs in a loving and respectful romantic relationship), everything looks like a nail.

Optimal_Grapefruit_5 · 2021-08-27T16:02:54+00:00

"Men suffer the most in this" from the objectification of women and commodification of their bodies? Nah.

It's primarily guys shaming other guys for their (real or perceived) lack of sexual experience and/or ability to "pull". It's boys making up stories about their conquests to impress their male peers. Didn't fathers used to bring their sons to brothels so they could "become real men" and not "embarrass themselves"?

Not saying no girl or woman ever joins in, just saying it stems from machismo so they got themselves to blame.

Also not all incels are virgins (not defending them). There are people who've had sex in the past and become incels later. Some incels have sex with prostitutes.

bombas- · 2021-08-27T00:33:26+00:00

Women don’t shame men for not “conquering” women, we shame them for being undesirable to women.

And we should.

ChgItToRayGunYouFuck · 2021-08-26T19:10:47+00:00

OTHER MEN give men shit for being virgins, just sayin' 🤷‍♀️

It's all just the classic toxic masculinity/misogyny women deal with on a daily basis.. and when it's directed towards men, they realize how shitty it is.

Title	So close...
Author	sherrybby
Upvotes	668
Comments	61
Date	August 26, 2021 3:43 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
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