Double Standards

rogersmith25 · 2013-02-05T03:44:14+00:00

The case of Sam Gordon is not particularly impressive from a male vs. female perspective. Girls tend to mature more quickly at young age and often have a physical advantage in grade school. The divide in skill between men and women does not exist in the same way at 8 years old.

People just love rooting for the purported underdog.

If she can dominate at football at when she is 15, then I'll be impressed.

phukka · 2013-02-05T05:36:11+00:00

If I recall the original article, Keeling's teammates even stated that he wasn't even the best player on the team, much less in the league. He was just competitive and roughly equivalent in skill, which apparently soccer moms get pissed about.

Bobsutan · 2013-02-05T04:42:16+00:00

Didn't she get the VIP treatment at the SuperBowl? I could have sworn they put a camera on her at one point during the game.

strongscience62 · 2013-02-05T05:52:39+00:00

#4 all time. Maybe do just a second of research before posting.

teamshred · 2013-02-05T06:49:27+00:00

not really a double standard, dudes are better at sports. everyone knows this. that's why there is a WNBA and not just an NBA.

Kardlonoc · 2013-02-05T06:42:01+00:00

Honestly? Football is far more popular than field hockey. You get special treatment because a lot people like the sport, not sexism.

CosmicKeys · 2013-02-05T06:13:20+00:00

Another image repost skyrockets to the top of /r/MensRights ...

2013-02-05T06:26:53+00:00

This is America, we only care about football.

c0mputar · 2013-02-05T06:52:31+00:00

When I was in high school I knew a couple girls who were faster than everyone else except for a handful of guys. The faster (and older) guys and the girls were all trained sprinters of course, but the point is, it's not until later teenage years that women, no matter how hard they train, are unable to compete physically with trained men. I'd imagine those girls would have kicked ass at running balls down the field in the more junior years amongst a team of your average high school guys, easily. Elementary school? Go look at your local track meet time records... You will see a lot of similar times amongst the best boys and girls. Now imagine how a very fast girl compares to your average boy (you could do the same exercise for all ages even)? No contest.

Let the girl have her 15min of fame, it won't last into later half of high school.

2013-02-05T12:00:18+00:00

I think the makers just want little girls to buy wheaties

rosyatrandom · 2013-02-05T16:12:02+00:00

As a male field hockey player, I can tell you there is definitely a big difference between the men's games and the women's.

Women's games tend to be slower, more measured and technical, while men's are much more physical and competitive. There's much more hassling and running out of position for the ball, not to mention big hits and interesting tackles.

IAMA_dragon-AMA · 2013-02-05T20:49:06+00:00

Didn't get on the Wheaties box

That, right there, is the worst part of all.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-02-05T13:22:13+00:00

Well actually it IS more impressive if a girl managed to keep up physically with boys/men. If a man beat a bunch of women in a race I'd be like "so what?". If a woman did it, I'd say, "impressive!"

And of course football is more popular than hockey, especially woman's hockey. There are far better (and real, and serious) examples of "double standards". For example, people usually remember the stories of Amanda Todd and Phoebe Prince. Considering the crazy ratio of male-to-female suicides the fact that I'll bet you no one that can recall these names can remember a single male who killed themselves makes it all the worse. We care about it if girls kill themselves, not if men do it. If there's 8 boys bodies, we'll only care about and remember there is a girl or two also dead. But Im sure these people will be able to recall the school shootings, when its a man that did something bad.

2013-02-05T17:12:04+00:00

I hated playing contact football against girls in high school.

Being awkward sexually at the time (13) and 190 pounds, it felt immoral hitting a 120 pound girl. To her credit, one girl who tried out knew we weren't hitting them as hard as we hit each other and convinced me we weren't doing her any favours. She quit shortly after - in large part according to her, because of how much it hurt to be hit in the breasts each down.

I have no idea if it was true, or if there was some kind of special padding girls can use. But I know if getting hit in the breast is even 1/20th as painful as being hit in the testicles I would have quit too.

Corblimy · 2013-02-05T22:47:50+00:00

This again?

BryGuyYup · 2013-02-05T14:18:13+00:00

This is some sort of false-flag bs right? The kind of idiotic non-issue that makes MR look like a joke, so it's being posted by a SRS person just so they can mock all the upvotes, right?

Oh.

Guess not.

/headdesk.

rosyatrandom · 2013-02-05T16:20:17+00:00

I don't have double standards when it comes to grammar. I just have standards, unlike whoever made this.

2013-02-05T21:38:50+00:00

It should be noted that the girl was the same age as the boys she completed against and was bigger in many case. The boy was much younger 3 or 4 years as I remember and you can see in the pic how much smaller he was.

RutterTheNutter · 2013-02-05T22:26:57+00:00

We had a girl on our rugby team until we were about 12, after that it her parents took her off the team.

turnleftdale · 2013-02-05T14:02:57+00:00

Because field hockey fucking sucks.

2013-02-05T19:34:52+00:00

I ain't even mad. We're praising that little girl cause she's different. In the back of everyone's mind, everyone knows men are more athletic on average. So in this case, it's not a double standard, it's just people who are different.

alphawolfgang · 2013-02-06T05:56:42+00:00

field hockey was the only sport i would have joined, but there are no teams :/ just football and baseball~

RavensAreAwesome · 2013-02-05T12:54:40+00:00

And here we go, one more of these posts making me think this place is sometimes as bad and extremist as some of the worst feminists. The "double standard" being pointed out right here has really no reason to be a problem.

If you people want to deny the fact that boys/men have a natural physical advantage in sports over women (you know that's why we have them competing in separate leagues), you're in pure denial of the reality. Once you've accepted that fact, you should also realize that there is no actual symetry between those two situations. Playing a physical sport vs. girls as a boy means playing vs. weaker/easier opponents, playing vs. boys as a girl means playing vs stronger/better opponents. It's so obvious it hurts me this got upvoted.

batmanlaoshi · 2013-02-06T02:48:01+00:00

First of all remember that this girl will never play professional football or at all past the high school level.

Also there are many child protege athletes that do and do not get attention. Frankly, no one gives a shit about field hockey. Very few people go on youtube and look up "sick plays" on the field hockey pitch. This is partially because women are viewed as inferior athletes and are not worth our time. I do not agree that he should have been banned from his league. Still men do have a lot more opportunities to play competitive sports than girls, whether it be because of the number of male vs. female teams at a school or the social pressure on girls to be girly and passive.

People claiming that girls develop earlier than boys, I politely say, fuck you. This girl is far from jacked and she is smaller or equal size to her on field counterparts whether they are male than female. She is talented regardless of her gender and her stats are impressive for a boy or a girl. Yes she gets the star treatment, but she will soon hit a glass ceiling that poor little Keeling will not have to deal with.

One more thing- To the people saying men are better at sports than women, again politely, fuck you. This idea is tied to an extremely western idea of athleticism. We are more concerned with brute strength than finesse and agility. This is reflected in our movie culture- Arnold is an action star in the west, Michelle Yeoh is an action star in the east. Yes lack of testosterone makes women hit a wall in terms of strength training, but women can still keep up in other ways. Some of you may not think of these as sports, but billiards and table tennis have some of the closest competition between the sexes. These are games of finesse. I am also willing to bet that female martial artists following the teachings of Wu Tang are just as good as their male counterparts. A good example of Wu Tang style is Tai Chi which focuses more on inner energy and Chi than brute strength and aggressiveness .

I am male. I know we face issues of sexism, but pick and choose your battles. This comes off as the hegemony fearing the loss of their power.

VolumeZero · 2013-02-05T09:44:24+00:00

I've seen this on this subreddit before, and each time I always think -- man that kid is fucking cool he even plays without a stick.

Just seen the stick after looking closely today. Dream ruined.

RobotBuddha · 2013-02-05T10:22:06+00:00

Never heard of either of them, don't care about either of them.

stinkmeaner92 · 2013-02-05T14:09:55+00:00

This post is a bit stupid, but I find it BULLSHIT that she got to sit with the NFL commissionerat the superbowl.

Seriously, do people not realize girls mature way faster at a younger age as the top post mentioned?

pokepat460 · 2013-02-05T08:52:32+00:00

Well no shit. It is impressive for a girl to compete with men in football. It is not impressive for a man to compete with women in field hockey. Men are physically stronger then women, so a girl competing with men is impressive, while the reverse is not.

salehalt · 2013-02-05T08:53:59+00:00

Thanks for posting this, haven't seen it in a whole week.

/sarcasm

demonthenese · 2013-02-05T10:03:56+00:00

My answer to that is sexual dimorphism. Stop making this argument, you're embarrassing men everywhere.

englad · 2013-02-05T12:15:31+00:00

From last time this was posted: This is a bit of an unfair comparison.

Males have a competitive advantage over females due to higher testosterone production.

That's a scientific fact. You may not like it but it's true.

Males dominate in sports because they're 'doping'. Though they're doing so naturally.

If a GIRL enters a sport dominated by men it would be surprising to see that she did well. Because she is a female and either has higher testosterone than average females (which is possible) OR she is extremely talented.

But if a male joins a female sports league he is at an advantage. He's going to be faster, stronger, and quicker than his female competitors.

This isn't to be mean to female athletes. It's just a matter of scientific reality.

It's the EXACT same reason that we break out age in sports as well. I'm 36 and still have high testosterone for my age but NO WHERE NEAR an 18 year old.

This would be very similar to an 18 year old deciding he would compete in the 35-40 age range and dominating.

Of course he would dominate. He has a MAJOR competitive advantage.

Source: I'm an athlete and very interested in doping, performance enhancement, and longevity.

EDIT. Males have been competing and dominating in 'breast cancer awareness' runs which are dominated by females. It's nearly 100% females and males are discouraged to join. It's ILLEGAL to prevent them so a few males have been running (probably because they have a mother, daughter, or wife that has breast cancer) ... and they are winning.

Oakley-Guy15 · 2013-02-05T05:52:51+00:00

Was this in the exact same school? Kind of hard to compare when it's in different environments.

Grayphobia · 2013-02-05T13:49:43+00:00

OP you sexist pig. The world is finally showing some gender equality.

Jimbohones · 2013-02-05T03:15:34+00:00

This kind of stuff gets posted all the time.

It's because men are biologically privileged to be better than women at sports. When a man dominates a women's league it's just not something to be proud of. I don't give a shit about Sam Gordon, but what she's doing is much more impressive.

The only reason sports are divided by gender is because there would be no female athletes otherwise. It's a double standard because this is one of those cases where men do have a huge competitive advantage.

If there was a sport that women dominated without excluding men a lone successful man in the sport would also be on ESPN. If men were allowed play on that field hockey team (and wanted to), there would be no women on the team.

Edit: There's also something to be said about her simply being one of the best peewee football players regardless of her gender. We tend not to care about field hockey as a nation.

Title	Double Standards
Author	skewbuh
Upvotes	1296
Comments	123
Date	February 5, 2013 2:31 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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