There's no need for 'proof'

SirSkeptic · 2017-05-17T10:29:19+00:00

Nicole raped me. Somebody get a rope.

BoogTKE · 2017-05-17T15:01:46+00:00

I agree that proof shouldn't be needed in order to provide medical examinations or police protection. However, proof is definitely needed before arresting, convicting, jailing, and ruining someone's life.

fengpi · 2017-05-17T07:44:17+00:00

I concur. You should be able to make such accusations anonymously via postcard.

And then Nicole would complain about needing a pen, a stamp and walking all the way down the street to the letter-box.

feedmecarrots · 2017-05-17T12:39:05+00:00

Whatever you do, don't do women any favors like breaking down their chiffarobe.

Was this woman stupid enough to link her statement with To Kill a Mockingbird?

mrwhibbley · 2017-05-17T14:17:30+00:00

Never ever ever blame the victim. Ever. Unfortunately, too often, the victim is the falsely accused male and not the horrible lying female.

Blutarg · 2017-05-17T11:09:05+00:00

What might shock you is he would have had less chance of a fair trial today.

Hope to be able to interrogate a rape accuser in front of a jury to prove she's lying? Forget about it.

Feminism would have hung that man.

nocivo · 2017-05-17T12:56:04+00:00

And for murders also. This way we could jail all feminists without any effort.

What happen to the innocent until proven?

I prefer 2 criminals outside prison than 1 innocent inside. If you aren't 100 sure someone did a crime do not send him to jail and destroy his life.

What feminism want is a new weapon against people with different opinion.

You don't agree with me or do what i want? Ok, you just rape me so go to jail. Feminists are trying to create a dictatorship where female rules.

This is the same thing NK and china do with spies. I don't like you ao you are a spy so we jail you.

rebuildingMyself · 2017-05-17T15:39:20+00:00

Your constitutional rights end where my feelings begin, shitlord!

/s

BlossomingWomanhood · 2017-05-17T13:05:27+00:00

Considering I had 2 friends spend 6+ years in Leavenworth prison I disagree. The fourth year she got pregnant and got out fifth year she admitted she lied the other year was a process of getting them out. Oh and also they're still considered sex offenders and felons even after doing nothing wrong.

2017-05-17T16:03:04+00:00

This is my new favorite response to feminists

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39705424

HoundDogs · 2017-05-17T15:47:50+00:00

Let's just give females the ultimate power to lock up anyone they don't like. That should go well.

JackBond1234 · 2017-05-17T17:18:53+00:00

Why stop at rape? Why not apply the death penalty immediately to anyone suspected of murder?

Electroverted · 2017-05-17T14:52:56+00:00

That subliminal racism that most white western feminists have.

Tmomp · 2017-05-17T18:19:52+00:00

What a moron

TheUser421 · 2017-05-17T16:56:15+00:00

What a dumbass statement. Looks like the Education system had failed us once again.

3rdLevelRogue · 2017-05-17T14:39:24+00:00

When the image has been reposted so many times that the quality of the Facebook post is lower than the movie

aaronk19 · 2017-05-17T15:19:27+00:00

I don't know what movie that bottom pic is from but I'm guessing to kill a mockingbird ?

Imnotmrabut · 2017-05-17T15:47:48+00:00

Carceral Feminism
This carceral variant of feminism continues to be the predominant form. While its adherents would likely reject the descriptor, carceral feminism describes an approach that sees increased policing, prosecution, and imprisonment as the primary solution to violence against women.
Law, Victoria. *"Against carceral feminism."* Jacobin Magazine (2014).

Epicdudelol · 2017-05-17T16:15:16+00:00

What. The. Hell.

supremeleaderjarjar · 2017-05-17T12:03:20+00:00

Gregory peck is a dad

Nemodin · 2017-05-17T15:52:11+00:00

Nicole should now shut up for a year or so, and reflect on what goes out the hole under her nose.

TigPlaze · 2017-05-17T17:35:16+00:00

This is the hateful and psychopathic mentality of feminists. They truly are a hate movement.

MadTrini · 2017-05-18T03:40:34+00:00

This is so powerful. This fully encompasses how far the left's value structure has degraded.

pimpsandpopes · 2017-05-17T14:11:16+00:00

I suppose she might be talking about personally believing someone not necessarily in a legal sense though.

Max_TwoSteppen · 2017-05-17T16:38:54+00:00

Should you, as a friend, believe a person when they tell you they were raped? Yes. Be supportive and caring and believe that what they told you was the truth.

But somehow these people believe that requiring proof to ruin someone's life in court is victim blaming. It absolutely is not.

EdwardBil · 2017-05-17T17:46:05+00:00

Boom!

Baconbitsthrowaway · 2017-05-18T00:32:37+00:00

If this woman actually believes this she is dangerous to the point where she needs to be completely ostracized from society. Anyone who has even a passing relationship with her is at grave risk.

Stunner900 · 2017-05-18T02:14:47+00:00

Women have used the rape accusation to ruin all kinds of lives.

AnthonyfromPhoenix · 2017-05-17T16:10:59+00:00

My response: "Does your asshole ever get jealous of all the shit that comes out of your mouth?"

TacosRAFoodGroup · 2017-05-17T13:33:47+00:00

so, what are the 4 comments on her shitpost? I hope some people are telling her she's an idiot.

Arty2party · 2017-05-17T23:46:49+00:00

ATTICUS!

BillyFromOregon · 2017-05-18T06:31:38+00:00

Nicole _____ raped me

Molsenator · 2017-05-18T14:30:04+00:00

I understood that reference.

GeektimusPrime · 2017-05-18T21:45:18+00:00

Ummm...this is not knew information. Women have been trying to explain to people coming to the conclusion you're all coming to for decades. DECADES. Don't take "my answer". Take it from they're lips and writings. Their out there telling you all what they're experiencing, what they mean and need; and you're all concerned with how some male ally is parsing one more tweet. Someone making false accusations is bad. Someone being falsely imprisoned is bad. But those are not rampant problems in rape cases. What we have, what the statistics and claims and complaints of women everywhere bear out, is a huge problem with how women are treated when the report rape. So yes, we are speaking in different languages; but you're also refusing to listen to interpreters.

SpeedDart1 · 2017-08-29T14:07:19+00:00

Can't tell if she's a dumb feminist, a racist feminist, or both.

rubixd · 2017-05-17T21:41:50+00:00

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. This seems a little extreme even for a feminist.

2017-05-17T19:53:54+00:00

We just got done with this in school. The one quote that stuck out to me was towards the end of the trial. When Atticus was delivering his closing remark he said "this case should have never come to trial. It's as simple as black and white". That seems to be the case now a days too.

2017-05-17T20:33:23+00:00

True

Rethgil · 2017-05-17T20:42:53+00:00

In light of this; New hash tag suggestion for twitter...#

NicoleRapedMe

Hibria · 2017-05-17T21:49:35+00:00

Bitch, are you retarded?

Kalcipher · 2017-05-17T22:59:27+00:00

Taking the statement entirely literally, I agree, we should use evidence and not proof. Proof is used in deductive reasoning and relies on assuming premises that can be essentially arbitrary.

Interpreting the sentiment realistically, but charitably, I think a lot of women who make this kind of statement are thinking of somebody who has been raped and is immediately, upon opening up, met by people who say they don't believe her. Ideally, I say we should be supportive immediately to somebody who opens up about rape, expect the courts to examine the evidence, and for ourselves make our best assessment if we know both involved parties and are wondering who to side with.

Also we need utilitarian courts.

_grain_of_salt · 2017-05-17T21:52:32+00:00

I think this is actually important. Obviously this shouldn't be applied in the court but it's important outside of that. If someone tells you they were raped it should be taken seriously. The last thing a rape victim wants to hear is "prove it".

Chair001 · 2017-05-17T17:14:26+00:00

Ok I saw the same picture in some other subreddit. As a society we should always take rape accusation seriously no matter what. However, the accused is not immediately guilty. But, if someone is saying that they have been raped then yes, we should believe them.

Also To kill a mocking bird and this honestly don't feel related. He wasn't sentenced because it was purely a woman saying she was raped with no evidence it was from racism and the fact he was black and the court discriminated against him. It doesn't make sense to pair these images at all and takes away from To Kill a Mocking bird.

She probably doesn't mean what I am saying but we should be above this. Men's Rights is an important issue and this diminishes our message.

Edit: Also this goes for Male or Female or whatever someone feels they are. If they feel like their rights have been infringed on, sexually, politically, or basic human rights it is our job as a society to protect them. To believe them but to also protect the accused rights of innocent until proven guilty. This post is just meandering for upvotes and not forwarding the discussion of equal rights or Men's rights.

WildTurkey81 · 2017-05-17T17:02:13+00:00

Could she mean that, in an ideal world, there'd never be any false rape allegations? So she may be saying that we ought to live in a world where actual rape victims dont even need to be held under scrutiny. If that's the case then even so, it's still pretty meaningless idealism. But I suppose it's better than what it's coming across as here.

Liu_Xuande · 2017-05-17T17:25:27+00:00

TIL there is a sub called mensrights. Gotta be the biggest loser subreddit ever. Blowing something completely out of proportion and trying to delegitimize feminism.

Couldnt you guys just have stayed on r/incels? Why split the community?

2017-05-17T13:54:19+00:00

9 more

mwobuddy · 2017-05-17T08:12:27+00:00

In the ideal world, where a real victim, yes.

In the real world no.

GeektimusPrime · 2017-05-17T17:42:23+00:00

So, yes, like all crimes, suspects are treated as such while investigated. That's how this is supposed to work. However, that's not what most women are referring to...while there are issues of men not being appropriately sentenced after convictions, the issue at hand is how women who report this type of crime are perceived before any of the investigating happens. Instead of believing the victim, the victim is treated as if they are lying and/or that they probably brought this on themselves, and/or wore the wrong outfit, and/or was in the wrong side of town, and/or was sending out the wrong signals, etc ad nauseam, BY DEFAULT.

In any type of crime you can think of, there are going to be rare cases of false accusations. But rape is the only crime where often the victim is presumed not "really" a victim by default. THAT is what women are fighting to change (among many other things).

Title	There's no need for 'proof'
Author	Bumpunisher
Upvotes	5761
Comments	192
Date	May 17, 2017 7:08 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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