You know you've got problems when your misandrist views can make Sean Hannity seem like a reasonable guy.

PierceHarlan · 2013-03-06T13:01:15+00:00

Dr. David Lisak, darling of the sexual grievance industry, says that mild educational efforts aren't going to stop the sociopaths who commit the vast majority of rapes. Lisak is right about that. The silly comment that we should concentrate on telling men, as a class, not to rape suggests that rape is normalized -- as common to masculinity as chest hair. Writer Jessica Valenti, one of the purveyors of the maleness-is-broken crowd, once wrote: "Rape is part of our culture. It's normalized to the point where men who are otherwise decent guys will rape and not even think that it's wrong. And that's what terrifies me."

That's not just absurd but divisive. Very few men rape, and even fewer would pay attention to some PSA telling men not to rape. That doesn't mean we should tolerate rape; we should not. But we also should not tolerate being viewed as rapists-in-waiting just because we have external genitalia.

Why don't these screeching kooks get on the same page and stop spewing rape mantras that have no basis in reality? If we want to stop rape, we need to police parties where sociopaths are looking to take advantage of drunken women they barely know. That's who is committing the vast majority of the rapes according to Lisak -- and it's something that every one of us could have predicted without ever reading Lisak's study. My guess is that most women would be happy to learn who is the "typical" rapist so that they can be on their guard, but I might be wrong.

AnotherDrunkenBum · 2013-03-06T13:40:53+00:00

TIL I need to be told not to rape people.

Also "men" in general, are rapists.

If we could only just get the word out to every man on earth, there would be no more rape :(

I'm just glad nobody ever told me not to smear shit on the underside of tables at fast food chains because thats my favorite hobby

whinemoreplease · 2013-03-06T16:40:53+00:00

Youtube's top comment actually gets it right.

Dear society:
Rape is bad. Don't rape.
Murder is bad. Don't murder.
Mass shootings are bad. Don't do that.
Stealing is bad. Don't steal.
Robbery is bad. Don't rob.
Assault is bad. No assaulting, 'k?
K guys, I just fixed most violent crimes with 30 seconds of education. We're safer now, right?

dalsgaard · 2013-03-06T13:45:17+00:00

I wonder what news media outlet would have men telling a female anchor that "We should train women to not abuse their children".

andresm3131 · 2013-03-06T15:57:13+00:00

"Swiper no swiping"

"Aww man!"

Does not really happen in the real world lady

hardwarequestions · 2013-03-06T13:01:21+00:00

One of my eyes just rolled right out of its socket.

2013-03-06T16:22:48+00:00

My mom told me to clean my room every day. I'm on my own and a complete slob.

Crimdusk · 2013-03-06T15:54:10+00:00

"We can prevent rape by telling men not to commit it."

Zero Credibility.

bunker_man · 2013-03-06T12:32:25+00:00

Lol. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's dismaying having no major public figures who represent you, and kind of having to vaguely cite composites of them, while dismissing other parts of them at the same time.

Lord. I don't fucking get people who think crime can be reduced to zero. Is this what they're implying? Or that there's a certain level that once it gets below you no longer need to care, and having the right to defend yourself is no longer necessary.

ExpendableOne · 2013-03-06T15:57:25+00:00

This is ridiculous. First of all, men don't rape, rapists rape. Some are men and some are not. Secondly, it would be impossible with today's technology to monitor every single human being's thoughts to determine if they are capable of rape or not. "teaching" people not to rape(as if they didn't already know it was wrong), doesn't guaranty that everyone will listen. The very fact that there is still rape going on, despite the fact that it is wrong, that people who do rape are hunted, prosecuted and hated and that people actually still address as if it was considerably worse than any other form of violence(even the forms that result in death, dismemberment or permanent physical harm), is a pretty clear indication that rape isn't really treated lightly and that society sees it as wrong and that assailants will be punished, yet it still does happen.

People, whether it's men or women, should not be putting their safety in the hands of their assailants. There will never be such a position where anyone is completely free from harm or risk from others. Even if every man on this planet were to be phased out of existence, there would still be rape and there would still be violence. That is a reality of nature. The universe is a violent and dangerous place for everyone and will always be. People, women included, should understand that they need to take reasonable steps to protect themselves, to be self-reliant(specifically, learning to defend yourself/others, rather than depending on others to defend you) and reduce the chances of coming to harm. The very fact that this woman could feel entitled to a risk-free universe clearly demonstrates that she is living in a bubble of delusion.

robobreasts · 2013-03-06T16:30:19+00:00

Why don't we just tell EVERYONE to not rape, not murder, not steal? We can even make it illegal to do so. Maybe even have tv programs where the ones that do such things are clearly labelled the bad guys.

That should end all crimes, right?

PeterPorky · 2013-03-06T14:11:38+00:00

The part at the very end? "If firearms were the answer, the military would be the safest place for women, and it's not"

TIL having a firearm means you're in the army.

The27thS · 2013-03-06T18:04:40+00:00

While I don't think that saying "don't rape" will be sufficient to end rape, there does seem to be a lot of confusion among the populace with regards to what consent means and how to communicate it. I would be in favor of more comprehensive sex education in high schools and colleges on this subject. You might tell a person not to rape but if they are operating under a different definition of rape, they could still commit the act and believe they didn't rape anyone.

thereverendwho · 2013-03-06T21:40:55+00:00

Dear Women Who Make False Claims,

A lady on Sean Hannity's show told all of us men that raping is bad. She trained us real good. We never knew that solving world problems was so easy. So I decided to write you a letter. Making false claims is bad. Don't make false claims. Wow! I feel like we've really bridged a gap here. We can now close down our feminist and men's rights movements and we can all get along. Amazing!

Sincerely, The Rev

ArchangelleGestapo · 2013-03-06T16:31:56+00:00

I should be able to leave my house open and no burglar cleaning it out. I should be able to put a pile of gold on my front step, without it being taken by anyone but me. I should be able to pet a wild bear, without getting mauled. I should be able to get onto a plane without terrorists hijacking it.

Well, I found the solution! It's very simple: any form of danger should not exist, so we tell all possible perpetrators "NO! Bad!" and there.. it's solved.

Genius.. I pat myself on the shoulder.. downright GENIUS!

murphymc · 2013-03-06T19:06:15+00:00

Funny story; we've been telling people to not steal, murder, etc since the dawn of time. Crime still happens.

What in the fuck is so hard to understand about that.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-03-06T19:30:01+00:00

lol WOW ... so we can prevent rape by telling men not to commit it? How do these morons remember to breath? Hey, just tell people not to commit crimes and they'll stop!!! DUH!

And I love how she says there are organisations that "teach men not to rape" so therefore she's talking sense, well honey there are organizations that teach homosexuals to not be gay I guess that means it works!!

rj20876 · 2013-03-06T21:15:27+00:00

She realizes not everyone in the military is walking around packing 24/7 right?

herbandmargie · 2013-03-06T18:06:47+00:00

Why did we need to bash Hannity?

Just need to keep reddit street cred alive?

God forbid he stood up to feminists on his show.

You know why he is just a piece of shit? Because the liberal MRM's here can see inside his heart and his feelings are not with the MRM therefore he is no better than a liberal ideologue who further propagates feminist policies.

This place prides itself on its ability to debate braindead feminist arguments but can't look at itself in the mirror.

2013-03-06T18:28:16+00:00

I guess i should go out and do my job and start raping.

Xenoith · 2013-03-06T18:46:42+00:00

This assumption that you can train people not to do horrible things is hilarious. I think what she's implying is that people close to women often rape them without knowing it's really rape, like taking advantage of them when they're drunk. I guess that's a fair point but pretty much every suggestion involves taking all responsibility away from women and making men accountable for their bad decisions. Besides friends taking advantage of women in some situations, you can't teach rapists not to rape. They're sociopaths, wtf.

RomeFlower · 2013-03-06T17:53:13+00:00

I found it almost impossible to hear anything to women were saying as they both spoke over each other!!!

holzy444 · 2013-03-06T19:22:23+00:00

I love how the only solution she presents assumes that all boys are rapists in the making.

IHaveALargePenis · 2013-03-06T19:38:38+00:00

Honestly we should just do that and only that. Tell men not to rape women (already doing it) and stop telling women how to avoid being raped. Then let the shit sort itself out. I'm sick and tired of this "I don't want any form of responsibility, it's not my fault, just tell the big bad things not to happen".

While we're at it, we don't need a police force, judges or prisons. Just tell people what's illegal and what they shouldn't do. Should solve all our problems over night.

FartyNapkins · 2013-03-06T20:26:16+00:00

Jesus that woman is a lunatic

Memento_Mori_Comitis · 2013-03-06T20:40:47+00:00

So let me get this straight, she seriously believes that had every rapist merely been informed that they shouldn't rape people then we wouldn't have rape....wow.

What is more amazing still is that message was somehow deemed worthy of being given national television coverage.

davidcolvert · 2013-03-07T00:49:56+00:00

D.A.R.E. worked really well with kids and drug aversion, so why not give it a shot?

blackstonesinger · 2013-03-07T04:11:09+00:00

As much as I disagree with her point of view, I cannot stand these damned "discussions" on news channels. Everyone whether they be Men, Women, Republican, Democrat, etc. is reduced to noting more than a cackling hen on these TV programs. To claim that this is a discussion of any kind is just simply false. /slightlyirrelevantrant

Edgemere · 2013-03-07T04:39:01+00:00

I HATE this whole "I learned to spew these words, and I don't listen to responses"- thing. If we eliminated this, literally no political problems ever.

leocadio62 · 2013-03-07T06:22:56+00:00

wow. Jay Leno is right for once.

capitanestevan · 2013-03-07T08:00:02+00:00

Women should stop raising rapists

mean0dean0 · 2013-03-08T02:18:52+00:00

They're both right, and they're both wrong:

Hannity's right that armed people generally are less likely to be the victims of violent crime; he's wrong in that women are more likely to be the victims of violent crime. They are more likely (just barely) to be raped, but their rapist is more likely to be a friend, partner or family member, so they will be less likely to shoot their rapist.
Maxwell is right that we can teach people not to rape (shocking, right?). But not along gender lines--we need to develop a consensus on consent; how to achieve it, what it looks like, and what should be expected of both parties when they consent. Muddled definitions and a lackluster attitude towards consent on either side makes it infinitely harder to understand when sexual behavior is consensual. This article points out very well the vagaries of language that obfuscate simple consent.

In order to understand consent, we first must learn to understand each other. That's not going to come at the point of a gun, or with a disapproving wag of the finger.

2013-03-06T14:18:13+00:00

These anti-gun nuts would have women lie back and accept their fate. Maybe if you close your eyes and hold your breath it'll be over with sooner!

Godspiral · 2013-03-06T15:11:19+00:00

Hannity's idea is pretty stupid though. Encourage women to kill men if they say they felt they might be raped.

Sure its insulting to suggest that men need to be taught not to rape, but the worst harm is the expanding definition of rape, and in that sense, men can be subject to more harm if they are unaware of the current or presumed defition of rape. In the sense that women's magazines are allowed to describe un-gentelmenly behaviour, even if the propaganda is insulting and harmful, its less harmful than encouraging murder in the face of imagined rape threats.

Capitalsman · 2013-03-06T18:50:50+00:00

If telling men not to rape would work, then explain why we have so many drug addicts when we tell people not to do drugs every day? Guess we should just tell men not to drugs, that might work instead. face palm

rj20876 · 2013-03-06T21:14:18+00:00

I was highly skeptical from your title but holy shit... I think thats one of the first times Ive ever agreed with him...

SexyGreenAndGold · 2013-03-07T01:59:56+00:00

How is 'teaching men not to rape' a solution?! Her entire idea falls apart when you bring in either one of the following facts;

a) Not all men are rapists, and the ones that do commit this type of act aren't going to listen anyway

b) Women rape people too.

ChrisMorals · 2013-03-06T15:02:58+00:00

comparing rape to gun control? I can't....I can't even.

sigh.... goddammit Fox news.

dungone · 2013-03-06T19:03:25+00:00

I don't know which side is the worst fearmonger of the bunch. The one side is going with a definition of rape that implicates 100% of men and the vast majority of consensual heterosexual sex, the other side is just saying that women need to bring a gun to bed and shoot the guy if they feel raped... the more dead men the merrier.

Just proves one thing to me - leftist feminists and right wing tradcons are two peas in a pod.

VolumeZero · 2013-03-06T20:40:03+00:00

Sigh.. This argument again. I'll treat this how I treat every "Tell 'Men' not to rape" statement that I come across.

Can you just "Tell 'Women' not to have PND (Post Natal Depression) and kill their children"? Of course you can't, it's a mental disorder or part of long-standing issues that sometimes occurs in some women.

To suddenly say that all women are killing their babies is a gross misunderstanding of what PND is to a similarity that these types of people are grossly midunderstanding the minds of rapists/criminals.

The worst part is that no matter how much sense you make and how many convincing arguments you put forward, the people who spout this nonsense, including the example female in this video will shun any logic and keep spewing the same nonsense over and over until people get bored of her. (Read: how she won't give it up and still has to have the last say at the end of the show, despite how much the host tried to convince her with some logical reasoning.)

Title	You know you've got problems when your misandrist views can make Sean Hannity seem like a reasonable guy.
Author	BioGenx2b
Upvotes	208
Comments	109
Date	March 6, 2013 12:13 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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