Do we really want redpill to go mainstream?

Zerofication · 2022-01-25T06:36:58+00:00

If every man was redpill

Won't happen; there's a subset of men that can't be redpilled.

wouldn’t that put the average looking man at a considerable disadvantage against the gorgeous man?

Not necessarily, because what it takes to attract women isn't the same as what it takes to keep women attracted. For the former, you need looks more than masculinity or game, but for the latter, you need masculinity or game more than looks.

logiauser · 2022-01-25T11:56:58+00:00

Red pill ideology will never go mainstream. Too many BlueP eager to do whatever it takes to please women.

If it does go mainstream, the inevitable conclusion will be the BlackP. You can’t really stop at RP unless you have some qualities that are attractive to build off. Particularly height. I’ve got really short friends who are literally skipping RP and they have no idea what the pills are (I don’t talk about them IRL).

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-01-25T07:26:34+00:00

one of the consequences

One of the most beneficial aspects of TRP is its applicable. So it doesn’t matter if you’re average. You can get jacked. Make bank. Master social skills. You’ll get better outcomes.

a considerable disadvantage

Remember; the only person you should compare yourself to; is who you were yesterday.

Godspeed and good luck!

2022-01-25T06:40:38+00:00

TRP will never go mainstream. Its ideas are seeping through the cracks from the fringes of the internet into mainstream meme culture and influencing men, but TRP as a holistic set of models and frameworks will not be mainstream for at least the near future because it's so contrarian.

KirthWGersen · 2022-01-25T06:36:56+00:00

Since the dawn of time, men have chatted up, wooed and charmed women with their words, actions, dress and demeanour. You can read about it in the Bible and ancient texts of all kinds, all the way through to the present day.

All these "red pill" or PUA tactics are nothing new.

And women have manipulated men with their charm, physical appearance, words, etc.

It is all simply part and parcel of being a sexual species.

There are many tactics and strategies men and women can use, some more generalised, others more niche, which will be more or less successful depending on the personality and culture of the people involved.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Sigma1979 · 2022-01-25T13:52:48+00:00

Do we really want redpill to go mainstream?

I do... i want society to burn to the ground.

Turbo_superbike · 2022-01-26T18:35:28+00:00

Red Pill has already gone mainstream..Most men who want to date these days either have the pretty TiTok E-Boy look or the Male fitness model look....Big Podcasts and topical youtube video channels already heavily advertise finasteride through Keeps....Men who "simp" are heavily criticized and mocked online by other men...because Red Pill has gone mainstream, the game has now moved on to Looks..

Mark_Freed · 2022-01-25T07:35:55+00:00

If red pill goes mainstream it will become the new blue pill

Lateralanouncer · 2022-01-25T23:29:08+00:00

As red pill is simply a reflection of the modern sexual market place. its already going mainstream. Adapt or get left out.

Own-Boat-5374 · 2022-01-25T06:28:13+00:00

Dating coach scams going mainstream

TryLambda · 2022-01-25T06:33:08+00:00

The red pill is not about seducing women, that’s PUA ideology, red pill is about revealing how society favours women more over men, and womens true manipulative nature, etc… it should go mainstream as it saves mens lives, prevents them from making poor judgement with women and exposes womens strategies to control and dominate over men.

Ecocavalry · 2022-01-25T06:47:54+00:00

Firstly, Redpill is not pua. It's reorienting your view on women.

Redpill would benefit men immensely. If men were even half as machiavellian in dealing with women as women are with men, the average men would have a higher QOL long term.

throwawayblue900ss · 2022-01-25T07:28:11+00:00

God, no. I don't want the average woman thinking even more men are only after one thing from them. Dating is hard enough!

nemma88 · 2022-01-25T10:06:48+00:00

Most the seducing tactics came from PUA, RP came from PUA with a focus on understanding the 'back end' so to speak - essentially RP was the WHY of PUA.

PUA has been around for decades in itself though, 'modern' PUA was popular since the 70's/80's.

wtknight · 2022-01-25T19:17:13+00:00

A lot of Blue Pill virtue signaling is inaccurate, annoying and discounts evolutionary science, but a lot of Red Pill is over-generalized misogynist stereotypes of women. It would be nice if society could somehow accept that the truth is probably somewhere in between the two extremes. I’d personally like to society take a more science-based approach to how we look at the relations between the genders.

DLifts777 · 2022-01-26T01:52:49+00:00

I’d argue TRP has already been adopted by the mainstream. Maybe it’s just the guys I hang out with, but all of them know girls are easy (AWALT) and just to use them for fun. Most young lads are listening to hip hop these days, which is all based on TRP concepts. It’s not like the Boomer generation which grew up on love songs about this one person they idolise and how they would do anything for. Society has changed massively. More single mothers, less marriage etc

logiauser · 2022-01-25T06:32:05+00:00

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GwenXi · 2022-01-25T10:09:10+00:00

This will only make the dating pool harder for men, as most Red Pill ideologies are hated by women. If women hear that you support the red pill, they will FLEE immediately.

I know alot of women who may not know the subculture of “TRP” but they know the terms “high-value man, and what do you bring to the table?” and those are major red flags.

chromie96 · 2022-01-25T09:07:26+00:00

Not to be dramatic, but every man being red pilled sounds like a dystopian hellscape for women.

LalaTheSecond · 2022-01-25T12:50:04+00:00

This has been around for years and has provided me much entertainment. If it goes mainstream it will still be entertaining. At the end of the day the calculus doesn't change for women, learn what tricks guys are trying to use and avoid those douchbags. Same as it has ever been.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-01-25T06:48:49+00:00

I believe that would make beauty more important for men. I’m not that opposed to the red-pill community going mainstream because there’ll be benefits & setbacks to it, but wouldn’t that be one of the consequences?

It's already mainstream. Women and simps are freaking out over that men are finding out about hypergamy and af/bb.

Vtridolla · 2022-01-25T08:43:43+00:00

Hell yeah. More cringe weirdo misogynists make me look really good lmao. Jk I think this ideology is pretty dangerous for young men who feel disenfranchised and I believe any other self help book will accomplish the improvement of self better and not lead you to be afraid of the boogie woman in your closet that’s out to get you.

pubgmisc · 2022-01-25T14:00:46+00:00

Look man, as more and more men get ostracized, and women can’t find the 10% guy to commit, people are gonna go looking for answers to see what’s true and actually happening. It’s better if it doesn’t but it will

2022-01-25T16:03:52+00:00

It would be fun to watch but I don't think it would work in the long term.

A few months of simping being dead and women not getting free shit, into clubs and bars for free, actually held accountable for their behavior etc. would be a nice change of pace.

Semisonic · 2022-01-25T18:25:29+00:00

God yes. The best of redpill is an honest, unvarnished, data driven look at the issues facing men and women, with a focus on intersexual dynamics (dating, legal, etc). Knowing and orienting your lives to the truth (as opposed to ideology or propaganda) is always worthwhile and +EV on both an individual and societal level.

Almost 75 years ago Alfred Kinsey and his team published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, which caused a stir with its data driven look into male sexuality. Five years later the team published Sexual Behavior in the Human Female and society lost its damned mind. To this day we still don’t like being told the truth about our mothers and our sisters and our daughters. To this day we prefer a pretty lie over an ugly truth. And those blinders cost us all.

Red pill going mainstream would both moderate the extremes of the community and improve the lives of men and women across the Western world.

Stunning-Spirit5275 · 2022-01-25T22:40:38+00:00

IMO the blackpill seems to be overtaking the red pill. A lot of men are realizing that the self improvement hamster wheel the red pill “gurus” are peddling don’t have universal utility.

marie122873 · 2022-01-25T22:59:19+00:00

I think what a lot of women don’t want to admit is that often the guy who was willing to get married and have children, in these very sexually promiscuous times when men have a number of sexual options since the sexual revolution, women also will go into a panic about their biological clock, and marry a man that they don’t really love and don’t really have strong sexual feelings far. And then it seems that the same women once they reach middle age wanna go out and have a lot of sex with a hot younger guy. That’s why so many men on the Internet absolutely hate middle-aged women and call them hags and disgusting. They’re trying to get these women to stay with their men so they don’t keep on breaking up families.There’s just so much hatred among the genders right now. But much in the way a lot of men will have a certain woman he marries and then a certain woman he has sex with, it is often the same with us women. Most women won’t admit this. Sexual revolution gave the top quality men that we all want a number of options for sex so they’re hot men usually take a much longer time to commit to one woman.

meddit-throwaway · 2022-01-25T23:18:41+00:00

Couldn't care less whether it goes mainstream or not, either way it's in mens best interests to learn and understand it. If they don't, less competition for the others.

decoy88 · 2022-01-25T08:11:11+00:00

Red Pill is not a revelation.

Only dum-dums need to be told that working out and having a great body will greatly increase your odds.

Instagram has done more for workout culture than Red Pill ever will.

Much of the advice on Red Pill requires resilience to pursue and is quite hard. (Ex. Lift)

For the same reason people find it hard to eat healthily in a resource-rich capitalistic environment, is the same reason it could never be mainstream…

…humans frequently choose the path of least resistance.

And nothing will change that.

NorseSaga · 2022-01-25T15:43:39+00:00

Of course not. RedPill community is a predator sexist community. Do you want it to to mainstream? It’s goal is to make woman to be a second class human, promoting the idea that women age faster and worse, that they need to settle and have kids before they can get proper education and career or otherwise they will hit a wall and will be undesirable. It promotes settling with much older men because again female value is less than of a man. It’s just a community of man who wants to take away female rights and make them male-dependent toys. These men are afraid of independent adult women. Their only goal is to pump their self esteem at female expense. Men there are just sick on their heads big time. Any RedPill ideas must be harshly cut short and shamed for. It’s not but a unique case of extreme ideas of patriarchy system. Seems that some men cannot part apart with patriarchy system and completely loose it to smart independent women and this creates hate and misogyny. These people are just scumbags of a modern society.

EdessaKandros · 2022-01-25T06:53:57+00:00

Sure. I think it would be a positive for the most part.

thetruthishere_ · 2022-01-25T12:19:16+00:00

The proof is in the pudding.

It's been around what..15 years? And it has lost traction in that time. Even this sub is starting to warp into a general gender dynamic discussion without being specific to TRP.

Any_Championship_654 · 2022-01-25T14:46:14+00:00

Alot of men's woes in the dating market come from the fact that many men act subservient to women, which leads to them expecting it acting in ways that further damage sexaul relations.

For example, imagine if simping didn't exist, if men weren't so desperate for a drop of pussy they'd put up with any disrespect from women, and if men were aware of how women make rules for then but break them for guys they actually desire. Women would be held to a higher standard and I think we'd see a drop in the amount of women that use men without consequence.

Finally I dont think any idea on this sub help you get women or sex. The gorgeous man will get pussy regardless of how he acts, and the average man won't be able to compete (without bringing his own looks up). But both could benefit from knowing how women behave.

sarkington · 2022-01-25T07:57:29+00:00

It won’t, because the red pill requires work/effort and quasi-sociopathy

Neither of which are maintainable by most modern humans

JacobMoogberg69 · 2022-01-25T07:03:51+00:00

Beauty in men doesn't matter because a man doesn't have to carry a child, so his beauty is irrelevant. It's much more important that the man has high testosterone and looks and behaves nothing like her brother or father, because women instinctively look for a guy with a different genetic make up than she is in order to have the healthiest offspring.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-01-25T07:40:27+00:00

Nah I'm good with it staying below the radar, less guys who know the better my chances. But anyone who does join I of course will help.

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AnonRb6 · 2022-01-25T08:12:31+00:00

This is redpill talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ6FhDfa9UY

Yes I agree with 90% of what he said, especially the women was convinced in the end of the interview...

decoy88 · 2022-01-25T08:16:09+00:00

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Notsonewguy7 · 2022-01-25T11:21:43+00:00

Give me the red pill really just says that you need to self improve in order to get the results that you want in life whether we're talking about dating or in a career.

I think it's a much better philosophy to say well you have to work hard versus well have a positive attitude cuz I've had a 'negative' (according to Reddit) attitude pretty much but I work hard and I get what I want sometimes.

BigAggravating1299 · 2022-01-25T11:56:48+00:00

I for one like redpilled knowledge and philosophy to be found through one's own way. There is a reason the main stream, well a media really try to suppress it, or slander it.

abaxeron · 2022-01-25T14:35:24+00:00

I'm in favor of certain parts of TRP going mainstream; the ones that'll reduce the amount of post-divorce alcoholism, drug addiction, and suicide among men.

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-01-25T15:47:21+00:00

It already was/is, the talking points anyways, the "red pill" is just the rebrand phrasing of it

M_LaSalle · 2022-01-25T20:19:33+00:00

At first, redpill tactics to seduce women were remarkable and enabled an average looking man who knew the importance of specific traits that women are attracted to to be more attractive than a gorgeous man who didn’t

I doubt that this is true. Most Red Pill "field reports" are fake.

Red Pill provides an accurate description of the mating behaviors of the human female. It doesn't necessarily provide average men with actionable advice, and so probably can never go "Mainstream" for any given definition of that term.

A large numerical increase in guys who have been to dating courses spouting lameass pickup lines does not constitute "going mainstream" Neither does an increase in grifters billing themselves as "dating coaches"

Yahween · 2022-01-26T01:57:36+00:00

There's a difference between theoretical and applied knowledge.

NotAnExploit · 2022-01-27T01:20:20+00:00

honestly, it should. the reason why incel crimes occured like elliot ridger for example is because they felt like they were the only ones with their views and thus made them angry. plus it's a fact that sex economy is controlled by women

ginagj · 2022-01-28T00:07:02+00:00

I thought red pill was understanding female nature. The understanding of female nature is fundamental to turning the tide on female empowerment.

ledatherockband · 2022-01-28T01:21:49+00:00

Yes. Of course, it will get misconstrued intentionally by those with agendas, but it’s a start.

We are severely lacking competent men that can exercise their masculinity in a way that invites women and men to engage with life rather than protest it.

Red pill is a path to understanding and exercising masculinity successfully.

TheSmallerGambler · 2022-01-25T13:09:53+00:00

“We”

TheHeroReditDeserves · 2022-01-25T19:46:45+00:00

The red pill is not about seducing women

This is a fucking sad time. The Old F*g in me weeps and longs for better days.

Optionsmfd · 2022-01-25T20:34:26+00:00

dont worry about that happening........ its like 1%

Title	Do we really want redpill to go mainstream?
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